Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS

2011-08-12 Thread Tom Hacohen
On 12/08/11 07:08, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
 POLL OVER.
 
 Results:
 2 votes: #1 - LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 9 votes: #2 - SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 5 votes: #3 - OTHER (put docs back in C files)
 
 Executive Summary:
 WINNER - #2 (SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA)

I really don't think this is a way to decide stuff. I really don't care
about the outcome, but having a stupid poll and not allowing anyone to
convince either way is dumb. Way to go: wiki page with a table/list of
pros/cons and let people comment and etc.

Bottom line: please don't make a mess without a good reason.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS

2011-08-12 Thread Lucas De Marchi
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote:

 On 12/08/11 07:08, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
  POLL OVER.
 
  Results:
  2 votes: #1 - LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
  9 votes: #2 - SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
  5 votes: #3 - OTHER (put docs back in C files)
 
  Executive Summary:
  WINNER - #2 (SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA)

 I really don't think this is a way to decide stuff. I really don't care
 about the outcome, but having a stupid poll and not allowing anyone to
 convince either way is dumb. Way to go: wiki page with a table/list of
 pros/cons and let people comment and etc.

 Bottom line: please don't make a mess without a good reason.

It was over discussed in the mailing list... there was no reason to
make yet another thread with plenty of arguments for each side.



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[E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS

2011-08-11 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
POLL OVER.

Results:
2 votes: #1 - LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
9 votes: #2 - SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
5 votes: #3 - OTHER (put docs back in C files)

Executive Summary:
WINNER - #2 (SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA)
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS

2011-08-11 Thread ChunEon Park
yay! then we can go on?
 

Let's run together for the best moment!
-Regards, Hermet-
 
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Subject: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS
POLL OVER.
Results:
2 votes: #1 - LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
9 votes: #2 - SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
5 votes: #3 - OTHER (put docs back in C files)
Executive Summary:
WINNER - #2 (SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA)
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS

2011-08-11 Thread Daniel Juyung Seo
yay!
keep rockin

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)

2011/8/12 ChunEon Park her...@naver.com:
 yay! then we can go on?

 
 Let's run together for the best moment!
 -Regards, Hermet-

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 enlightenment-de...@lists.sourceforge.netenlightenment-devellists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:
 Sent: 11-08-12(금) 13:08:07
 Subject: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL RESULTS
 POLL OVER.
 Results:
 2 votes: #1 - LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 9 votes: #2 - SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 5 votes: #3 - OTHER (put docs back in C files)
 Executive Summary:
 WINNER - #2 (SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA)
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-08-05 Thread Gustavo Barbieri
On 05/08/2011, at 05:28, Lucas De Marchi lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Iván Briano (Sachiel)
 sachi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since this subject is annoying, I will also be annoying by top-posting.

 I like my docs in the .c files, and keep in the .h whatever is needed to
 be there only. If needed, doxygen even supports having docs in some
 other random file, but I like headers to be as small and packed as possible
 so the entire list of functions fits in one terminal window.

 I couldn't agree more.


 2011/7/28 Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com:
 On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:22:51 +0300
 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote:

 On 28/07/11 19:42, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and 
 taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header
 size. Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

 3) docs should be done in .c files.


My preferences:
#2- like eina
#3- in c source





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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-08-04 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:42:32 -0400
Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com wrote:

 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.
 
 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:
 
 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)
 
 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.
 
 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.
This poll will end on FRIDAY 12 AUGUST.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-08-04 Thread Daniel Juyung Seo
Thanks stu!
I raised header separation issues a couple of times but there was no progress.
This time I hope we will get some good result.

Anyhow, I vote for #2 and #3-vtorri's.

Elementary.h is already so huge, so any solution will be still annoying.
I just choose LESS ANNOYING solution.

Thanks.
Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com wrote:
 On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:42:32 -0400
 Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com wrote:

 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header 
 size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.

 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.
 This poll will end on FRIDAY 12 AUGUST.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-08-04 Thread Sanjeev BA
My vote is for #1.
I like the idea of having a single point of reference.

On 08/05/2011 07:30 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
 On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:42:32 -0400
 Mike Blumenkrantzm...@zentific.com  wrote:

 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header 
 size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.

 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.
 This poll will end on FRIDAY 12 AUGUST.



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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-29 Thread Boris Faure
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 20:17, Iván Briano (Sachiel) sachi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since this subject is annoying, I will also be annoying by top-posting.

 I like my docs in the .c files, and keep in the .h whatever is needed to
 be there only. If needed, doxygen even supports having docs in some
 other random file, but I like headers to be as small and packed as possible
 so the entire list of functions fits in one terminal window.

I definitely agree with you. I'm used to go and read the code anyway.
If we can't make a vote out of this proposition, then my vote goes to #2.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:42:32 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com said:

 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

we can have polls... sure. but i do reserve the right to go pffft to them. :)

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:
 
 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

i dislike 2. finding shit in eina is annoying and i keep having to open a new
file for each thing i want to find.if someone is going to do 2 - it sure as
hell is not going to be me.

 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.
 
 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.
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[E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
3) OTHER (Explain)

This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.

PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
individually if I have to.
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com wrote:
 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.

I vote for number 2.

 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.

Hehehe ! Have fun :-)
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:42:32 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz
m...@zentific.com wrote:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

2 gets my vote.

 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do
 not have a strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory
 and email each of you individually if I have to.

I committed a couple of times this year, guess that makes me active.
B-)

BTW, I am actively using elementary in a paid for project, my vote might
count as an active user to.  Certainly the outcome will impact me.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Tom Hacohen
On 28/07/11 19:42, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.
 
 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:
 
 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)
 
 This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
 required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.
 
 PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have a
 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
 individually if I have to.

I don't know why you guys care, it's not like you should ever open that
header... I personally think eina's separation is a bit annoying, but I
don't care either way. If you twist my arm and force me to choose one, I
guess 2 makes more sense (As long as I don't have to do anything to
support it).

But can you summarize all points brought up by both camps?

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:22:51 +0300
Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote:

 On 28/07/11 19:42, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
  This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
  votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
  opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header
  size. Specifically, the Elementary.h header.
  
  As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:
  
  1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
  2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
  3) OTHER (Explain)
  
  This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
  required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.
  
  PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have
  a strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of
  you individually if I have to.
 
 I don't know why you guys care, it's not like you should ever open that
 header... I personally think eina's separation is a bit annoying, but I
 don't care either way. If you twist my arm and force me to choose one, I
 guess 2 makes more sense (As long as I don't have to do anything to
 support it).
 
 But can you summarize all points brought up by both camps?
no, you can read through the header threads for that.
THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR VOTING. READ.
 
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Sachiel
Since this subject is annoying, I will also be annoying by top-posting.

I like my docs in the .c files, and keep in the .h whatever is needed to
be there only. If needed, doxygen even supports having docs in some
other random file, but I like headers to be as small and packed as possible
so the entire list of functions fits in one terminal window.

2011/7/28 Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com:
 On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:22:51 +0300
 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote:

 On 28/07/11 19:42, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
  This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and 
  taking
  votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
  opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header
  size. Specifically, the Elementary.h header.
 
  As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:
 
  1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
  2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
  3) OTHER (Explain)
 
  This thread is for voting ONLY. Reply with your vote, no logical reasoning
  required. Any discussion can continue in the recently-made thread.
 
  PS. I expect all active developers to vote on this, even if you do not have
  a strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of
  you individually if I have to.

 I don't know why you guys care, it's not like you should ever open that
 header... I personally think eina's separation is a bit annoying, but I
 don't care either way. If you twist my arm and force me to choose one, I
 guess 2 makes more sense (As long as I don't have to do anything to
 support it).

 But can you summarize all points brought up by both camps?
 no, you can read through the header threads for that.
 THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR VOTING. READ.

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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Vincent Torri


On Thu, 28 Jul 2011, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:

 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

3)

In .h : only API doc. everything else should be moved outside the 
header. I'm not against 2).

Vincent


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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Christopher Michael
On 07/28/2011 12:42 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA

# 2 :)

or a good #3...Vincent's #3 would be acceptable ;)

dh


 3) OTHER (Explain)

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 strong opinion. I WILL grep through the devs/ directory and email each of you
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Re: [E-devel] HEADER SIZE POLL

2011-07-28 Thread Brian Wang
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz m...@zentific.com wrote:
 This is a community project, so we can do stuff like having polls and taking
 votes right? Okay then, since there's been some disagreement with strong
 opinions on either side we're voting on a super important issue - header size.
 Specifically, the Elementary.h header.

 As with any serious vote, here is your ballot:

 1) LEAVE AS-IS, CONTINUE ADDING DOCS TO Elementary.h
 2) SPLIT INTO WIDGET HEADERS SIMILAR TO EINA
 3) OTHER (Explain)

#2. (me as an active Elementary user.)
(forgot to reply all)


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