Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
Sorry for top posting, I'm sending this from my phone. I agree with what you said about possible remarks by people. I don't know what can be done about that though. -- Tom. On 5 Nov 2012 11:05, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:03:01 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:03:49 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 29/10/12 03:57, thomasg wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I just took out my Android phone out, and the Android blue is more cyan than blue, the shades are not similar. :) I just installed the dark theme, and compared to my Android phone, looks like the same shade of blue to me. On the other hand, mine's a Samsung phone, so maybe it's Samsung blue and not Google blue. I'm not complaining, if I didn't like it on my phone, my phone would be different. I even use a similar looking theme on gkrellm. I just think that the criticism we waited decades, and all you can do is copy Android? will be too easy for others to make when we release. And here's a direct comparison. Samsung Galaxy SIII ICS on the left, E17 settings window in dark theme on the right. While it's true they are a little different, it's only when you see the two blues side by side like this that you can spot the difference. Just for shits and giggles, I include a close up of my brand new speakers I got last week. Yep, I like blue highlights on black. Now everything matches. lol -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
god... yet another gif guy. EFL is the community of users that loves animated gifs On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, thomasg tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: Sorry for top posting, I'm sending this from my phone. I agree with what you said about possible remarks by people. I don't know what can be done about that though. I do :) http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/052/812/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif -- Tom. On 5 Nov 2012 11:05, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 19:03:01 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:03:49 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 29/10/12 03:57, thomasg wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I just took out my Android phone out, and the Android blue is more cyan than blue, the shades are not similar. :) I just installed the dark theme, and compared to my Android phone, looks like the same shade of blue to me. On the other hand, mine's a Samsung phone, so maybe it's Samsung blue and not Google blue. I'm not complaining, if I didn't like it on my phone, my phone would be different. I even use a similar looking theme on gkrellm. I just think that the criticism we waited decades, and all you can do is copy Android? will be too easy for others to make when we release. And here's a direct comparison. Samsung Galaxy SIII ICS on the left, E17 settings window in dark theme on the right. While it's true they are a little different, it's only when you see the two blues side by side like this that you can spot the difference. Just for shits and giggles, I include a close up of my brand new speakers I got last week. Yep, I like blue highlights on black. Now everything matches. lol -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- LogMeIn Central: Instant,
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:03:49 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 29/10/12 03:57, thomasg wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I just took out my Android phone out, and the Android blue is more cyan than blue, the shades are not similar. :) I just installed the dark theme, and compared to my Android phone, looks like the same shade of blue to me. On the other hand, mine's a Samsung phone, so maybe it's Samsung blue and not Google blue. I'm not complaining, if I didn't like it on my phone, my phone would be different. I even use a similar looking theme on gkrellm. I just think that the criticism we waited decades, and all you can do is copy Android? will be too easy for others to make when we release. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On 29/10/12 03:57, thomasg wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I just took out my Android phone out, and the Android blue is more cyan than blue, the shades are not similar. :) I don't see that this could lead to mix-ups, except maybe if you're an apple lawyer :) An Apple lawyer would have sued us over BW... -- Tom. -- The Windows 8 Center - In partnership with Sourceforge Your idea - your app - 30 days. Get started! http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ what-html-developers-need-to-know-about-coding-windows-8-metro-style-apps/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 29/10/12 03:57, thomasg wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I just took out my Android phone out, and the Android blue is more cyan than blue, the shades are not similar. :) I don't see that this could lead to mix-ups, except maybe if you're an apple lawyer :) An Apple lawyer would have sued us over BW... Apple lawyer are suing every rounded square shaped objects in the world ! -- Cedric BAIL -- The Windows 8 Center - In partnership with Sourceforge Your idea - your app - 30 days. Get started! http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ what-html-developers-need-to-know-about-coding-windows-8-metro-style-apps/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: Hi Raster, Nice improvements to the theme, toolbook tabs look awesome. But the separators/frames issues still remain... separators are very subtle now. i turned down the brightness of the light bit and removed the shine. but frame is still there - i like it as it stands. it's the ame bevels etc. a the toolbar and scrollbars etc. etc. so its consistent. did you look at the xcf? all of this waqs modeled in the xcf long before i started the edc bits. at the moment i'm still running through doing the edd work for the gfx drawn so far. I saw the commits. But had to update gimp to see them as you use features just supported by 2.8. So it took me some time and you were already doing the EDC Why do you really like odd/even theme for list items? I find they are not useful as all of our lists are single-line text, then it's clear where are the items. i like it. it makes it easier to follow a line as it is different from the one above/below. Also, the item height for list items without icon is too short. When you have the icon, it's okay. Also it's disturbing to have these at different heights, see screenshot. it's 1 pixel too short. :) and yes - that is a bug in e and was there before. it should be providing icons for all items. either provide all icons or none. the list is much better now as it doesnt use so much more padding space and thus we have a more compact list. we have this problem before in bw too - it just wasnt as much a difference because bw added more spacing so percentage-wise it wasnt as much. it looks nice when the items are ALL text or ALL icon. I still don't like the odd/even. As I said, the rows are clear per see, just see the menu. Maybe a compile time option that generates a plain item without those decorations? side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ... If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to ignore it Or patch the theme Regards, -- Gustavo On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: Hi Raster, dark theme is coming along quite well, liking it :-) two comments at this point: - Separators: could they be more mild? both in menu and dialog. Reasoning: visual noise and as they already add an extra space just because of its existence, it doesn't need to be that high-contrast to achieve its proposed effect. - Frames (widget) same as above, they add more noise than required, bw was more mild in that sense. If you look at our usage of frames in the following dialogs you can see what I mean: - Default Applications: near button box you have lots of noise with button border, separator and frames - Menu Settings: chain/sequence of frames, lots of dialogs have those. on the good feedback: I liked the comp effect on selected windows (blue highlight) and completely loved the slider knob! :-) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:12:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: Hi Raster, Nice improvements to the theme, toolbook tabs look awesome. But the separators/frames issues still remain... separators are very subtle now. i turned down the brightness of the light bit and removed the shine. but frame is still there - i like it as it stands. it's the ame bevels etc. a the toolbar and scrollbars etc. etc. so its consistent. did you look at the xcf? all of this waqs modeled in the xcf long before i started the edc bits. at the moment i'm still running through doing the edd work for the gfx drawn so far. I saw the commits. But had to update gimp to see them as you use features just supported by 2.8. So it took me some time and you were already doing the EDC oh ok. sorry about that. the 2.8 features are a must for layer management given how many of them that xcf has... :) Why do you really like odd/even theme for list items? I find they are not useful as all of our lists are single-line text, then it's clear where are the items. i like it. it makes it easier to follow a line as it is different from the one above/below. Also, the item height for list items without icon is too short. When you have the icon, it's okay. Also it's disturbing to have these at different heights, see screenshot. it's 1 pixel too short. :) and yes - that is a bug in e and was there before. it should be providing icons for all items. either provide all icons or none. the list is much better now as it doesnt use so much more padding space and thus we have a more compact list. we have this problem before in bw too - it just wasnt as much a difference because bw added more spacing so percentage-wise it wasnt as much. it looks nice when the items are ALL text or ALL icon. I still don't like the odd/even. As I said, the rows are clear per see, just see the menu. Maybe a compile time option that generates a plain item without those decorations? i like them. :) i know cedric likes them - he explicitly asked for the odd/even thing. you can make a theme of your own thats a 99% copy opf dark.. just with your changes.. hell u can now make one using edje_pick and just provide your overrides... :) right now we don't do it but for e18 i think we'll adopt a more elm style for themes ie providing a list of preferred themes and the first one overrides those below.. and that one can contain any overrides u want to have in it. :) side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ... If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to ignore it Or patch the theme if we want attention of a user.. we'll be animating and definitely getting their attention. blue is there as a contract color to be used asive from the greys, blacks and whites. Regards, -- Gustavo On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: Hi Raster, dark theme is coming along quite well, liking it :-) two comments at this point: - Separators: could they be more mild? both in menu and dialog. Reasoning: visual noise and as they already add an extra space just because of its existence, it doesn't need to be that high-contrast to achieve its proposed effect. - Frames (widget) same as above, they add more noise than required, bw was more mild in that sense. If you look at our usage of frames in the following dialogs you can see what I mean: - Default Applications: near button box you have lots of noise with button border, separator and frames - Menu Settings: chain/sequence of frames, lots of dialogs have those. on the good feedback: I liked the comp effect on selected windows (blue highlight) and completely loved the slider knob! :-) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 --
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:55:34 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:12:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: snippage, not sure I left the attributions above correct. It's 3AM, need sleep. side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ... If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to ignore it Or patch the theme if we want attention of a user.. we'll be animating and definitely getting their attention. blue is there as a contract color to be used asive from the greys, blacks and whites. Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? Personally I love mostly black with white text and some colour for the highlights. Just thinking that some people might say you ripped off Android. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:20:24 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:55:34 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:12:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: snippage, not sure I left the attributions above correct. It's 3AM, need sleep. side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ... If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to ignore it Or patch the theme if we want attention of a user.. we'll be animating and definitely getting their attention. blue is there as a contract color to be used asive from the greys, blacks and whites. Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? Personally I love mostly black with white text and some colour for the highlights. Just thinking that some people might say you ripped off Android. I'm going to go ahead and take credit for the blue highlights since blue is my favorite color. there's probably no other reason why blue was chosen. -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:20:24 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:55:34 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:12:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: snippage, not sure I left the attributions above correct. It's 3AM, need sleep. side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ... If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to ignore it Or patch the theme if we want attention of a user.. we'll be animating and definitely getting their attention. blue is there as a contract color to be used asive from the greys, blacks and whites. Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? Personally I love mostly black with white text and some colour for the highlights. Just thinking that some people might say you ripped off Android. blue is there because it is the most popular color in general and after trying many colors, this one ended up with the most ayes in informal testing. there's lots of data/studies that show blue to be popular and have positive connotations in general, so this tipped in in favor of blue. this also happens to be why things like android use it. why windows in general has had a lot of blue in its colors etc. - people just tend to like blue. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 28/10/12 19:20, David Seikel wrote: Is it just me, or does dark with blue highlights look very Android? I think it's just you, because Android is very flat and computer like, while the dark theme is very real life and 3d, I don't think there's even a slight resemblance other than the semi-similar (not really) colour choices. That's just what I think. -- Tom. I don't think it's just him, because android uses a similar tone of blue (at least on the devices I know) and very similar blue accent-lines under some items as well as blue shades when moving screens and such. But all in all, I don't see a too strong resemblance -- as you said, android is very flat and not at all accentuated, also the use of the blue accents is rather inconsistent and not at all stringent in the design. I don't see that this could lead to mix-ups, except maybe if you're an apple lawyer :) -- thomasg -- The Windows 8 Center - In partnership with Sourceforge Your idea - your app - 30 days. Get started! http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ what-html-developers-need-to-know-about-coding-windows-8-metro-style-apps/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] dark small feedback
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi said: Hi Raster, Nice improvements to the theme, toolbook tabs look awesome. But the separators/frames issues still remain... separators are very subtle now. i turned down the brightness of the light bit and removed the shine. but frame is still there - i like it as it stands. it's the ame bevels etc. a the toolbar and scrollbars etc. etc. so its consistent. did you look at the xcf? all of this waqs modeled in the xcf long before i started the edc bits. at the moment i'm still running through doing the edd work for the gfx drawn so far. Why do you really like odd/even theme for list items? I find they are not useful as all of our lists are single-line text, then it's clear where are the items. i like it. it makes it easier to follow a line as it is different from the one above/below. Also, the item height for list items without icon is too short. When you have the icon, it's okay. Also it's disturbing to have these at different heights, see screenshot. it's 1 pixel too short. :) and yes - that is a bug in e and was there before. it should be providing icons for all items. either provide all icons or none. the list is much better now as it doesnt use so much more padding space and thus we have a more compact list. we have this problem before in bw too - it just wasnt as much a difference because bw added more spacing so percentage-wise it wasnt as much. it looks nice when the items are ALL text or ALL icon. side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could be your blue with the out-glow. see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that needs doing gadget-wise. :) Regards, -- Gustavo On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: Hi Raster, dark theme is coming along quite well, liking it :-) two comments at this point: - Separators: could they be more mild? both in menu and dialog. Reasoning: visual noise and as they already add an extra space just because of its existence, it doesn't need to be that high-contrast to achieve its proposed effect. - Frames (widget) same as above, they add more noise than required, bw was more mild in that sense. If you look at our usage of frames in the following dialogs you can see what I mean: - Default Applications: near button box you have lots of noise with button border, separator and frames - Menu Settings: chain/sequence of frames, lots of dialogs have those. on the good feedback: I liked the comp effect on selected windows (blue highlight) and completely loved the slider knob! :-) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- WINDOWS 8 is here. Millions of people. Your app in 30 days. Visit The Windows 8 Center at Sourceforge for all your go to resources. http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/ join-generation-app-and-make-money-coding-fast/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
