Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:57:50 GMT "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > it can't. it's a window. just like tray icons. windows cant be > > part of a canvas. 1 window == only 1 systray icon in 1 place. you can't duplicate it for example (well u'd need composite manager, redirection, pixmaps and event emulation/faking). it means the apps creating the icons are NOT alpha aware so u get a solid box. it's a bit of a mess in that regard and just doesn't mesh with e. :( > I think that given the current design of the systray spec, > what we have here is just that, currently, implementing this may > give ugly stuff for many systray-apps.. But I don't think it means > that the concept is a bad one and should not be pursued. > > If the concept is useful, then it could be made to work well > with 'enlightened' systray related apps - there may not be many such > right now, but maybe some will develop soon... :) > > Better to have good with "e-systray-aware-apps" and some > others, but ugly with many others... than nothing at all? that's easy ot invent our own protocol - that's not the point :( people are wanting "gaim" or "skype" to work - they don't want to wait for someone to make a replacement app (which in the skype case may not be possible). the problem is that the protocol is limiting - the implementation of it even more limiting and assumptions made by systray using apps, erroneous (not to mention how incredibly buggy they are when a systray comes and goes - try use trayer or itray - and close trayer and open it again. *IF* apps followed the protocol - the systray icons would go away - then all come back, BUT u will find half the apps will die with x errors, and maybe 10% of them will put their icons back). > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:00:04 +0200 lok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:43:25 -0400 > "Sthithaprajna Garapaty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think for now we can get away with just a notification module. Is there > > > any spec for this? Anything we should be looking at? (maybe the Gnome & > > > KDE code). > > > > Somewhat. There's libnotify and the Desktop Notification Spec. > > http://trac.galago-project.org/wiki/DesktopNotifications > > http://galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php > > http://galago-project.org/downloads.php > > > > Unfortunately, its not too widely implemented, and the spec is not too > > comprehensive either. > > But, it does provide a lot more flexiblity than the systray spec in > > that it does not restrict you to single icons in a row and of course, > > it throws out the ugly sub-windowing for actual images (with alpha) > > and text. > > > > > > Basically, it would be nice if we could, maybe extend the IBox so each > > > minimized application can send notifications. Maybe we could somehow fool > > > other applications into thinking they've been trayed so that they can > > > send notifications and we can capture them. > > > > This seems like a bad idea to me. Applications shouldnt have to be > > minimized to send notifications. In fact, applications shouldn't need > > to have a window open to send notifications. > > imho the notification and the tray system must be separated. They're goal are > too different to make it in one only module. > > > > These are just my thoughts, dunno if they're good. Waiting to hear your > > > opinions. I might get into this module, in a few days, when I finish my > > > current work. I have other things on my list as well (I have updating the > > > carbon theme, and integrating some power management into E on my list at > > > the moment). > > > > > > So basically, I'd like to collect some thoughts on these items. But > > > mostly, on this notification thing. > > I think that basically we need a "notification daemon" like describe in the > spec. But more than that it would be very great if the daemon posses some > prebuilt widgets and that all we need is to passe a description of the UI by > dbus (I risk my life saying that but if we want something multidesktop, xml > should be used here). > > About the daemon : > He has to be able to parse the xml input and make the corresponding UI (seems > logical). The xml describe the widgets used, their different properties and > value and their positions (something like the box model of edje would be > great for that but again if we wan't something "multi desktop" and not just > for e maybe this point need some discussion). Concerning the prebuilt > widgets, I'm not talking about remake another toolkit, the daemon has just to > use already existant basics widgets (i.e: label, button, image, progressbar, > scrolledview) in the toolkit of his choice. > > Thus with a system like that, the theme and toolkit used for the notification > is not anymore choose by the application but by the user. > > Here is my thoughts, whether you took it or not I'm really interested by > using a notification something so I hope that you are going to start to work > on it soon :) unless such a ui spec is part of the notification spec - it's a waste of time as nothing will support it. as for a notification "module" - i certainly have no plans on doing one. > lok. > > > > Cheers, > > > Eugen. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > > > your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > > > > cash > > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > > ___ enlightenment-devel > > > > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > - > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > > your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > > > cash > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > ___ enlightenment-devel > > > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:43:25 -0400 "Sthithaprajna Garapaty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think for now we can get away with just a notification module. Is there > > any spec for this? Anything we should be looking at? (maybe the Gnome & KDE > > code). > > Somewhat. There's libnotify and the Desktop Notification Spec. > http://trac.galago-project.org/wiki/DesktopNotifications > http://galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php > http://galago-project.org/downloads.php > > Unfortunately, its not too widely implemented, and the spec is not too > comprehensive either. > But, it does provide a lot more flexiblity than the systray spec in > that it does not restrict you to single icons in a row and of course, > it throws out the ugly sub-windowing for actual images (with alpha) > and text. > > > > Basically, it would be nice if we could, maybe extend the IBox so each > > minimized application can send notifications. Maybe we could somehow fool > > other applications into thinking they've been trayed so that they can send > > notifications and we can capture them. > > This seems like a bad idea to me. Applications shouldnt have to be > minimized to send notifications. In fact, applications shouldn't need > to have a window open to send notifications. imho the notification and the tray system must be separated. They're goal are too different to make it in one only module. > > These are just my thoughts, dunno if they're good. Waiting to hear your > > opinions. I might get into this module, in a few days, when I finish my > > current work. I have other things on my list as well (I have updating the > > carbon theme, and integrating some power management into E on my list at > > the moment). > > > > So basically, I'd like to collect some thoughts on these items. But mostly, > > on this notification thing. I think that basically we need a "notification daemon" like describe in the spec. But more than that it would be very great if the daemon posses some prebuilt widgets and that all we need is to passe a description of the UI by dbus (I risk my life saying that but if we want something multidesktop, xml should be used here). About the daemon : He has to be able to parse the xml input and make the corresponding UI (seems logical). The xml describe the widgets used, their different properties and value and their positions (something like the box model of edje would be great for that but again if we wan't something "multi desktop" and not just for e maybe this point need some discussion). Concerning the prebuilt widgets, I'm not talking about remake another toolkit, the daemon has just to use already existant basics widgets (i.e: label, button, image, progressbar, scrolledview) in the toolkit of his choice. Thus with a system like that, the theme and toolkit used for the notification is not anymore choose by the application but by the user. Here is my thoughts, whether you took it or not I'm really interested by using a notification something so I hope that you are going to start to work on it soon :) lok. > > Cheers, > > Eugen. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > > your > > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > ___ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join S
Re: [E-devel] itray module
> I think for now we can get away with just a notification module. Is there any > spec for this? Anything we should be looking at? (maybe the Gnome & KDE code). Somewhat. There's libnotify and the Desktop Notification Spec. http://trac.galago-project.org/wiki/DesktopNotifications http://galago-project.org/specs/notification/index.php http://galago-project.org/downloads.php Unfortunately, its not too widely implemented, and the spec is not too comprehensive either. But, it does provide a lot more flexiblity than the systray spec in that it does not restrict you to single icons in a row and of course, it throws out the ugly sub-windowing for actual images (with alpha) and text. > > Basically, it would be nice if we could, maybe extend the IBox so each > minimized application can send notifications. Maybe we could somehow fool > other applications into thinking they've been trayed so that they can send > notifications and we can capture them. This seems like a bad idea to me. Applications shouldnt have to be minimized to send notifications. In fact, applications shouldn't need to have a window open to send notifications. > > These are just my thoughts, dunno if they're good. Waiting to hear your > opinions. I might get into this module, in a few days, when I finish my > current work. I have other things on my list as well (I have updating the > carbon theme, and integrating some power management into E on my list at the > moment). > > So basically, I'd like to collect some thoughts on these items. But mostly, > on this notification thing. > > Cheers, > Eugen. > > > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:57:50 GMT "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > it can't. it's a window. just like tray icons. windows cant be > > part of a canvas. > > I think that given the current design of the systray spec, > what we have here is just that, currently, implementing this may > give ugly stuff for many systray-apps.. But I don't think it means > that the concept is a bad one and should not be pursued. > > If the concept is useful, then it could be made to work well > with 'enlightened' systray related apps - there may not be many such > right now, but maybe some will develop soon... :) > > Better to have good with "e-systray-aware-apps" and some > others, but ugly with many others... than nothing at all? Hmm ... I don't share that opinion :) I think for now we can get away with just a notification module. Is there any spec for this? Anything we should be looking at? (maybe the Gnome & KDE code). Basically, it would be nice if we could, maybe extend the IBox so each minimized application can send notifications. Maybe we could somehow fool other applications into thinking they've been trayed so that they can send notifications and we can capture them. These are just my thoughts, dunno if they're good. Waiting to hear your opinions. I might get into this module, in a few days, when I finish my current work. I have other things on my list as well (I have updating the carbon theme, and integrating some power management into E on my list at the moment). So basically, I'd like to collect some thoughts on these items. But mostly, on this notification thing. Cheers, Eugen. > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
> it can't. it's a window. just like tray icons. windows cant be > part of a canvas. I think that given the current design of the systray spec, what we have here is just that, currently, implementing this may give ugly stuff for many systray-apps.. But I don't think it means that the concept is a bad one and should not be pursued. If the concept is useful, then it could be made to work well with 'enlightened' systray related apps - there may not be many such right now, but maybe some will develop soon... :) Better to have good with "e-systray-aware-apps" and some others, but ugly with many others... than nothing at all? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:54:24 -0400 "Ryan Little" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On 9/18/06, Blake Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Integrating it well with > > e17 is non-trivial because of deficiencies in the spec. Trayer works > > fine as an alternative: http://prdownload.berlios.de/fvwm-crystal/ > > trayer-1.0.tar.gz > > > > -Blake > > > > > > Wouldn't it be possible to use a module so that trayer can be parked in a > shelf? > I've been playing with trayer the last couple days, and it's actually pretty > configurable (albeit only from the CLI with startup options passed). If > trayer could be put into a module "holder" and then added to a shelf - and > add some config options (grow to the left, grow to the right, automagically > resize, etc.) then I think we'd have a pretty good / usable module. It would > also remove the need to add any systray stuff into e itself until such a > time as the spec is fixed (the core functionality of the systray being > maintained by the crystal-fvwm team). it can't. it's a window. just like tray icons. windows cant be part of a canvas. > my .02 > > Ryan > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:10:06 +0100 João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I assumed it would be, as the last reference I found to it in themailing > list's archives was around February, and you know way betterthan me that a > lot changed in the meantime. :) Anyway, I've got some free time currently, so > I'm willing to dive intoit. //Vale let me save you some time. "system tray icons" as such and the way they are implemented by client applications are 1. buggy (restart e and wtach most dissapear as apps simply don't cope having a new system tray start up and an old one go away), 2. limit you to square boxes per icon where the background is a solid color. 3. that solid color is either whatever gtk wants as its bg color OR for qt/kde apps it "inherits" the bg from parent - since e's window have no bg color (they paint their own contents) this falls over in a stinking heap and doesn't work. 4. they expect to have mouse events work on them and thus won't work with canvases, swallowing or layering. they are literal sub-windows. basically - forget it. tray icons are a royal mess. > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:59 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:> On Mon, 18 Sep > 2006 14:41:02 +0100 João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:> > > Hi everyone.> > > > > I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows where > > > > I> > can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray > > > > I> > system,> > I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give > > > > I> > it a spin.> > it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a > > > > I> > rewrite to make it usable.> > > -Take > Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay > panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT & business topics > through brief surveys -- and earn > cashhttp://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___enlightenment-devel > mailing > [EMAIL PROTECTED]://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
I would personally love for you to take itray and fix it up and put it into e_modules cvs and keep it maintained there. That has been an idea of mine since itray was trashed. People complain most about a tray not being on e17 so a 3rd party one to point them to would be cool :) On 9/18/06, João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows where I > can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray system, > I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. > > Cheers, > Vale > > > - > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Stephen Houston - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On 9/18/06, Blake Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Integrating it well with > e17 is non-trivial because of deficiencies in the spec. Trayer works > fine as an alternative: http://prdownload.berlios.de/fvwm-crystal/ > trayer-1.0.tar.gz > > -Blake > > Wouldn't it be possible to use a module so that trayer can be parked in a shelf? I've been playing with trayer the last couple days, and it's actually pretty configurable (albeit only from the CLI with startup options passed). If trayer could be put into a module "holder" and then added to a shelf - and add some config options (grow to the left, grow to the right, automagically resize, etc.) then I think we'd have a pretty good / usable module. It would also remove the need to add any systray stuff into e itself until such a time as the spec is fixed (the core functionality of the systray being maintained by the crystal-fvwm team). my .02 Ryan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
Since no one has taken the liberty to answer your question... The old module is still in cvs: http://e.kevb.net/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/e17/apps/e/src/modules/itray/ And it would be nice to see some kind of notification module. However, if you can also put a "Tray spec is broke! Someone fix it." dialog box whenever the module is newly installed, maybe people will go and try to get the spec fixed. --Sthitha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 12:28:55PM -0700, Blake Barnett wrote: > > I wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd party systray gadget. Ideally, you could > have a 'gnome OR kde' option that emulates the behavior of gnome/kde > systrays. I know kde does some sort of hackery to get transparent > _seeming_ icons. I haven't looked in depth, but it seems like it copies > the systray's bg pixmap and does pseudo-trans. (This may take borrowing > heavily from GPL'd code, thus GPL'ing the gadget, but would be worth it > imo). Gnome may do something similar, although it seems more like the > icons just set their bg color based on the current gtk theme. > > Anyway, some way of getting the systray icons of apps people use most > decently integrated into an e systray should be possible. (Maybe not > clean or nice, but possible) :) > > rephorm > > > > >> Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Integrating it well with >> e17 is non-trivial because of deficiencies in the spec. Trayer works >> fine as an alternative: http://prdownload.berlios.de/fvwm-crystal/ >> trayer-1.0.tar.gz >> >> -Blake >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jo?o Vale wrote: >> >> >>> I assumed it would be, as the last reference I found to it in the >>> mailing list's archives was around February, and you know way better >>> than me that a lot changed in the meantime. :) >>> >>> Anyway, I've got some free time currently, so I'm willing to dive into >>> it. >>> >>> //Vale >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:59 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:02 +0100 Jo?o Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi everyone. > > I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows > where I > can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray > system, > I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. > it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a rewrite to make it usable. >>> -- >>> --- >>> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >>> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to >>> share your >>> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn >>> cash >>> http://www.techsay.com/default.php? >>> page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >>> ___ >>> enlightenment-devel mailing list >>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >>> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 12:28:55PM -0700, Blake Barnett wrote: I wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd party systray gadget. Ideally, you could have a 'gnome OR kde' option that emulates the behavior of gnome/kde systrays. I know kde does some sort of hackery to get transparent _seeming_ icons. I haven't looked in depth, but it seems like it copies the systray's bg pixmap and does pseudo-trans. (This may take borrowing heavily from GPL'd code, thus GPL'ing the gadget, but would be worth it imo). Gnome may do something similar, although it seems more like the icons just set their bg color based on the current gtk theme. Anyway, some way of getting the systray icons of apps people use most decently integrated into an e systray should be possible. (Maybe not clean or nice, but possible) :) rephorm > Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Integrating it well with > e17 is non-trivial because of deficiencies in the spec. Trayer works > fine as an alternative: http://prdownload.berlios.de/fvwm-crystal/ > trayer-1.0.tar.gz > > -Blake > > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jo?o Vale wrote: > > > I assumed it would be, as the last reference I found to it in the > > mailing list's archives was around February, and you know way better > > than me that a lot changed in the meantime. :) > > > > Anyway, I've got some free time currently, so I'm willing to dive into > > it. > > > > //Vale > > > > > > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:59 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:02 +0100 Jo?o Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> babbled: > >> > >>> Hi everyone. > >>> > >>> I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows > >>> where I > >>> can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray > >>> system, > >>> I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. > >> > >> it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a rewrite to make it > >> usable. > >> > > > > > > -- > > --- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > > share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > > cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Integrating it well with e17 is non-trivial because of deficiencies in the spec. Trayer works fine as an alternative: http://prdownload.berlios.de/fvwm-crystal/ trayer-1.0.tar.gz -Blake On Sep 18, 2006, at 12:10 PM, João Vale wrote: > I assumed it would be, as the last reference I found to it in the > mailing list's archives was around February, and you know way better > than me that a lot changed in the meantime. :) > > Anyway, I've got some free time currently, so I'm willing to dive into > it. > > //Vale > > > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:59 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:02 +0100 João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> babbled: >> >>> Hi everyone. >>> >>> I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows >>> where I >>> can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray >>> system, >>> I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. >> >> it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a rewrite to make it >> usable. >> > > > -- > --- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
I assumed it would be, as the last reference I found to it in the mailing list's archives was around February, and you know way better than me that a lot changed in the meantime. :) Anyway, I've got some free time currently, so I'm willing to dive into it. //Vale On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:59 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:02 +0100 João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > Hi everyone. > > > > I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows where I > > can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray system, > > I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. > > it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a rewrite to make it usable. > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] itray module
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:02 +0100 João Vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi everyone. > > I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows where I > can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray system, > I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. it wont compile or work anymore - you'd need a rewrite to make it usable. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] itray module
Hi everyone. I wanted to take a look at the itray module's code. Anyone knows where I can find it? Even though nobody really likes the current systray system, I still find handy having a tray, and I'd like to give it a spin. Cheers, Vale - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
