Re: [E-devel] some notes about E17 binary packages
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:27:39 +0400 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com said: hello, the information provided below are related to the following: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17%20binary%20packages 1) suppose that it's nothing but a timing issue, but anyway it's impossible to follow Release Schedule with the official snapshots dated 24-Sep-2008 19:45. 2) After discussion with rasterman, it was opted to have 2 sets of packages, the main and extras: fine, but let's look at the current reality. the Extras have for example the Exchange library which provide on-line access to the http://exchange.enlightenment.org/ . please correct me if i wrong, but there're two cases: we do have linked E17 with libexchange.so.0 or we don't. in this case we need at least two separate repositories with two different E17 packages in each repo. is that what we want? no. exchange is cool - but its not mature. the online fetching is not solid. all fo e can hang solidly if dns lookups do thanks to curl. i would not put exchange as a feature in packages until this is fixed. P.S. as i see Exchange is removed from Extras and disappeared from page. assume we don't need it. ok. 3) extras repo: This does not mean software there is broken, they should not be! ok. agree. but... a) Exalt - totally broken here (i wrote before about that) and start of a daemon easily crashes the running system (i wish i was wrong). dont package it then. b) Ecomorph + Ecomp - imho they strictly require the exact E-svn-revision number indicated here: http://github.com/jeffdameth/ecomorph-e17/commits/ otherwise the stability (along with the smooth compilation) is not ensured. then dont package it. c) Exhibit - just try to change/set Open with default entries. result is a segfault. bt is below: http://pastebin.com/m15a1124a don't package it. :) d) Estickies - has no UTF-8 support along with no SCIM support. is it o'k for a Notes application? almost nothing works with scim etc. (currently). i have recently received patches with work on this at least for edje's entry and will work to make this possible e) Emphasis: bt of a segfault when we're clicking on Playlists button: http://pastebin.com/m7bd1713f bt of a segfault when we're clicking on switch to compact mode http://pastebin.com/m4af7b96 don't package f) Weather: http://www.imagebam.com/image/88e21c33322321 don't package :) g) Language module is dead for modular Xorg: http://www.imagebam.com/image/565cf233322322 just hope that provided info is useful for you. don't... :) there's a lot of stuff in svn. a lot of it is entirely not maintained or worked on. extras is there because mostly its not a core focus. our job right now is to get e17 out and that mans e17 and the things it NEEDS. things that are optional or not related are not a focus. but of course people moan and bitch and complain if we focus on what our job is. you can't win. (and then they moan and bitch that we take too long to release e17 because we spend time doing things outside of that focus to stop them complaining). i want to focus on e - that's the focus. regards, sda -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] some notes about E17 binary packages
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:27:39 +0400 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com said: fine, but let's look at the current reality. the Extras have for example the Exchange library which provide on-line access to the http://exchange.enlightenment.org/ . please correct me if i wrong, but there're two cases: we do have linked E17 with libexchange.so.0 or we don't. in this case we need at least two separate repositories with two different E17 packages in each repo. is that what we want? no. exchange is cool - but its not mature. the online fetching is not solid. all fo e can hang solidly if dns lookups do thanks to curl. i would not put exchange as a feature in packages until this is fixed. This sounds like a packaging bug, but did you try a curl build with cares (http://c-ares.haxx.se/) ? Sounds to me like the solution to this problem. -- Cedric BAIL -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] some notes about E17 binary packages
hello, the information provided below are related to the following: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17%20binary%20packages 1) suppose that it's nothing but a timing issue, but anyway it's impossible to follow Release Schedule with the official snapshots dated 24-Sep-2008 19:45. 2) After discussion with rasterman, it was opted to have 2 sets of packages, the main and extras: fine, but let's look at the current reality. the Extras have for example the Exchange library which provide on-line access to the http://exchange.enlightenment.org/ . please correct me if i wrong, but there're two cases: we do have linked E17 with libexchange.so.0 or we don't. in this case we need at least two separate repositories with two different E17 packages in each repo. is that what we want? P.S. as i see Exchange is removed from Extras and disappeared from page. assume we don't need it. ok. 3) extras repo: This does not mean software there is broken, they should not be! ok. agree. but... a) Exalt - totally broken here (i wrote before about that) and start of a daemon easily crashes the running system (i wish i was wrong). b) Ecomorph + Ecomp - imho they strictly require the exact E-svn-revision number indicated here: http://github.com/jeffdameth/ecomorph-e17/commits/ otherwise the stability (along with the smooth compilation) is not ensured. c) Exhibit - just try to change/set Open with default entries. result is a segfault. bt is below: http://pastebin.com/m15a1124a d) Estickies - has no UTF-8 support along with no SCIM support. is it o'k for a Notes application? e) Emphasis: bt of a segfault when we're clicking on Playlists button: http://pastebin.com/m7bd1713f bt of a segfault when we're clicking on switch to compact mode http://pastebin.com/m4af7b96 f) Weather: http://www.imagebam.com/image/88e21c33322321 g) Language module is dead for modular Xorg: http://www.imagebam.com/image/565cf233322322 just hope that provided info is useful for you. regards, sda -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] some notes about E17 binary packages
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM, sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com wrote: hello, the information provided below are related to the following: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17%20binary%20packages 1) suppose that it's nothing but a timing issue, but anyway it's impossible to follow Release Schedule with the official snapshots dated 24-Sep-2008 19:45. we're (or at least I am) learning as we go, next time will be in time ;-) 2) After discussion with rasterman, it was opted to have 2 sets of packages, the main and extras: fine, but let's look at the current reality. the Extras have for example the Exchange library which provide on-line access to the http://exchange.enlightenment.org/ . please correct me if i wrong, but there're two cases: we do have linked E17 with libexchange.so.0 or we don't. in this case we need at least two separate repositories with two different E17 packages in each repo. is that what we want? P.S. as i see Exchange is removed from Extras and disappeared from page. assume we don't need it. ok. exchange is not officially supported, it's in PROTO, when it move out of proto it will move to main set. Until then you can choose to package it or not. Debian guys are packaging it so they build Ecomorph using it, no problem. 3) extras repo: This does not mean software there is broken, they should not be! ok. agree. but... a) Exalt - totally broken here (i wrote before about that) and start of a daemon easily crashes the running system (i wish i was wrong). so don't package! :-) b) Ecomorph + Ecomp - imho they strictly require the exact E-svn-revision number indicated here: http://github.com/jeffdameth/ecomorph-e17/commits/ otherwise the stability (along with the smooth compilation) is not ensured. c) Exhibit - just try to change/set Open with default entries. result is a segfault. bt is below: http://pastebin.com/m15a1124a d) Estickies - has no UTF-8 support along with no SCIM support. is it o'k for a Notes application? e) Emphasis: bt of a segfault when we're clicking on Playlists button: http://pastebin.com/m7bd1713f bt of a segfault when we're clicking on switch to compact mode http://pastebin.com/m4af7b96 f) Weather: http://www.imagebam.com/image/88e21c33322321 g) Language module is dead for modular Xorg: http://www.imagebam.com/image/565cf233322322 again, don't package what you believe does not work. Raster proposed just the small main list, I'd add systray, tclock and notification as I use them without problems, but nothing more. OpenGEU guys are using all the other modules/libs/apps and they say they have no problems, but I really don't know. I can also recommend python bindings as I'm the maintainer, but they're not really tied to E17 release so can stay in extras without problem (the less we carry, the better). -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
