Re: (fwd) Re: Re: [e-users] Entrance problems
On Wednesday, 22 October 2003, at 13:47:39 (-0400), Hall Stevenson wrote: > To some extent, I have to agree with "Hisham". Your reply was pretty > lame Hallvar offered to *help* you and all you said was that > it's ALPHA software, you're on your own, and so on. And your point would be...? Offering to help is all well and good, but for things that are under active hard-core development, the only really helpful people are the ones who can write patches. There's a difference between offering to help *find* the bug and offering to help *fix* the bug. > Why do you have it available then ?? For people to use or for people > to help you code it ?? CVS is a DEVELOPERS tool, not an end-user tool. So obviously the answer to your question is the latter, not the former. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "I know that through it all the hardest part of love is letting go, But there's a greater Love that holds us." -- Michael W. Smith, "Pray for Me" --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The SF.net Donation Program. Do you like what SourceForge.net is doing for the Open Source Community? Make a contribution, and help us add new features and functionality. Click here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Starting KMail from E's root menu
I added an entry for KMail to my left-mouse-click root window menu and when I choose KMail, it outputs some info to an Eterm. If it makes a difference, here's what it outputs: ID '1' was already in done-list! ID '4' was already in done-list! and so on I've often avoided starting apps from my terms because of this annoyance. I realize it may not be E's fault, but does anyone have any ideas ?? I tried Konqueror 'cause it normally outputs some "Starting kbuild..." message if I start it from a term, but it doesn't affect my term in this case. Thanks in advance Hall --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The SF.net Donation Program. Do you like what SourceForge.net is doing for the Open Source Community? Make a contribution, and help us add new features and functionality. Click here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Re: (fwd) Re: Re: [e-users] Entrance problems]
> > As for the intent of my email, well, it really wasnt aimed at > > anyone in particular. Its just we always say "we dont support > > this... we dont support that". And you guys wonder why people wont > > use our software? First off, people DO use our software. Stating otherwise is ridiculous because it's just not true. Secondly, we don't WANT people using Entrance and e17 and other things that are under heavy and active development. That's the whole freaking point! People shouldn't use it. If you can't write a patch, you shouldn't be using Entrance. And if you can, you should be able to solve problems yourself. It's not rude, or harsh, or unfair, or any of the things people typically whine about. It's a test. A rite of passage, if you will. If you can make it work on your own, you have proven that you have the ability to help, and that's great. We encourage those people to do so, as evidenced by the responses raster gave to shorne's patches. If, however, you cannot get it to work on your own, you've failed the test. You don't appear to have the ability (or determination, or patience, or any of the other things required to deal with this stuff) to help, so we don't have time to babysit you. Thus, you have two options: (1) Give up, or (2) Find a non-developer who's willing to help you out. People like Ben and Phil are often willing to help new users get things working, and that's a great help to the developers (as much as it annoys me sometimes...*grin*) because it saves them time that they can then spend on coding (or...*cough*...responding to rude e-mails...). > > If something has a lot of potential and its main developers dont > > want to improve it or let others help, then at the end of the day > > thats totally up to them. Anyone who believes that JeopardE doesn't want to improve Entrance or let others help is smoking something cheap. > > But dont you think everyone will lose a lot if this piece of code > > that had a lot of potential didnt "want" to be developed and > > pursued? See above. > > I think this would add to my story http://www.bash.org/?152037 If someone falls for that, that person is a sucker. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- "Time is the fire in which we burn." -- Dr. Tolian Soren (Malcolm McDowell), "Star Trek: Generations" --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The SF.net Donation Program. Do you like what SourceForge.net is doing for the Open Source Community? Make a contribution, and help us add new features and functionality. Click here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Entrance problems [Some thoughts!]
Dear All, I think we have to get something straight here before running into unecessary disputes: First "Entrance" is a FREE software and when you refer to a GPL license, it states: This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. which to some extent is the correct Philosophy (although some might argue that the software is not GPL and so on). You are not paying the developer to do this job and he's doing it out of kindness in his spare time. So you can't really bug/insult the developer in that respect when he's providing FREE software. If you're paying the guy milions of dollars, then you expect a certain decent result and support. Only when you're paying for a service, then you expect it to be good and can complain about it. :-) Secondly "Entrance", like "E17", is still in an experimental stage. Ibukun has already told us that beforehand. So you have been warned if you want to install it. If it doesn't work, you can't also blame him! It's ALPHA as he said! You might ask now, why is it available? Simple answer: It's meant ONLY for developers, people who have the time, expertise and knowledge to debug the whole thing. ALPHA means that it's not meant for everyday users to use. If you really want to help, go in CVS, download the whole source code, compile, run, test, debug and send patches to the core developer. Communicate in the developers mailing list when running into problems. That's how people can help. You can't help by just saying "I want to help". You have to do some homework on your own first by understanding the source code and knowing what you're dealing with. Find flaws, locate the buggy code then discuss!:-) For some people, Entrance actually worked pretty well, one example is Andrew Johnson (ajgenius _AT_ ajgenius.us) from GNOME art side. I was discussing with him a while ago on irc and he told me that he has successfully installed and tested "Entrance". I believe he's thinking of theming too! Anyway Ibukun wrote: > This means that if you can't get it to > work, or it blows up your hard drive in the process, you're on your own. > :) We should not take this too personnally. It's a way to tell you not to try out if you don't know what you're dealing with. So personnally, I don't go and try experimental software as I've a whole lot of Physics equations, simulations, and experimental work to deal with everyday. So I use gdm and E16 as I don't have the time to go and play around with Entrance and E17, and on top of that going to find bugs. :-) Hope this mail will be useful to find a common understanding and reaffirming the meaning of free software. With kind regards, Didier. --- PhD student Singapore Synchrotron Light Source (SSLS) 5 Research Link, Singapore 117603 Email: slsbdfc at nus dot edu dot sg \or\ didierbe at sps dot nus dot edu dot sg Website: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg --- This SF.net email is sponsored by OSDN developer relations Here's your chance to show off your extensive product knowledge We want to know what you know. Tell us and you have a chance to win $100 http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?HRPT1X3RYQNC5V4MLNSV3E54 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
