On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:01:18 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
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(B> On Tuesday, 06 July 2004, at 00:46:49 (+0200),
(B> Moritz Angermann wrote:
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(B> > e16.7 need to get public audicy at /. and osnews than :)
(B>
(B> Boy, I hope not. First off, OSNews is like the Weekly World News of
(B> the Linux world: horrible writing, uneducated editorials, and
(B> gratuitous sensationalism. Secondly, while I think kwo has done a
(B> stellar job picking up the reins, let's be realistic: E 0.16.x is no
(B> longer state-of-the-art.
(B
(Bwow this little thread is getting into a flame fest of e... on e lists by e
(Busers... a little weird :)
(B
(Bok - several things. e has been in non publicity mode to basically keep users
(BAWAY from e17 to avoid the massive wishlist pile that would ensue and simply
(Bhaving to ignore everyone and thus create bad karma (tm) by simply telling
(Bpeople to piss off and leave us alone until we have the nuts and bolts at the
(Blower levels nice and polished. we're not into listening to someone's idea of a
(Bfunky pager display when we don't even HAVE a pager yet! - in fact don't even
(Bhave virtual desktops! :)
(B
(Bso this is WHY we aren't big on the publicity side - one day the time will come
(Bto go all-out.
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(Bnow... i don't think we need to debate "e vs wm X".
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(Bkim is doing an excellent job working on 16.x. we should in no way underrate
(Bthis. i will also give kudos as its a hard job - many bugs were design errors
(Band fixing them would be TOUGH. thus they just got put off for e17 - and i will
(Badmit, put off for wy too long. but the core libs for e17 (EFL) solve many
(Bniggles already in e16 - modularise heavily meaning different people can look
(Bafter different parts easily. they are very solid, even as-is and improve daily.
(Bwe could S do with people helping with EFL - there are todo lists and
(BFIXME:'s buried in many lumps of code. I am writing up a quick overview of SOME
(Bof the EFL systems (not all - i'm doing the ones i know best - well not even all
(Bof those - my favorites). but i'd rather an army of excellent coders - actually
(Bnot an army. i'd rather 5 EXCELLENT coders spending time on this and doing all
(Bthe things that need doing to help bring e17 out. its a mammoth thing. e17 will
(Bnot use less ram than e16 - it will use a chunk more. it wont be smaller. but it
(BWILL be massively more powerful and expandable - and CLEAN. the code will be
(Beasy to maintain and expand on. it has a future far and beyond being a WM alone
(Band this is where the interesting stuff lies. we could do with help. join #e and
(B#edevelop on irc.freenode.net - regularly people talk about things that don't
(Bhit mailing lists (because of immediate feedback that makes irc better than even
(Be-mail). patches and changes to code get discussed. etc. in comparison to EFL
(Be16 is primitive in many ways. edje (the theme engine in EFL) makes e16's
(Bthemeing code look like a caveman compared to modern man. sure it eats, breathes
(Band sleeps - but the new stuff is S much more capable, powerful. have you
(Bseen the games on websites written in FLASH? flash was originally an animation
(Bformat alone, but it has evolved into much more. i have seen an e-commerce
(Bengine done entirely in flash. i have seen space invaders, pac man, tetris and
(Btonnes of other games... and guess what - edje is almost as capable as flash -
(Band in some ways more powerful. edje alone is worthy of a team of coders and a
(Bproject website - and this is just SOME of what is brewing. this is the power
(Bthat will sit under the next generation of themes for E. we need people learning
(Bit, testing it, playing with it, becoming gurus - NOW - because when e17 does
(Bfinally come - this is how u will get themes... and they will be more than
(Banything else you've seen before. they can animate, react, in fact be entire
(Bworlds on their own. i'm tempted to make a "EDJE browser" that downloaded edje
(B.eet files form the net and works like a web browser... but with edje files.
(Bjust to demonstrate its power.
(B
(Bi digress - the point - EFL does make e16 look primitive. mej is right in that
(Brespect. we need to move this on - and help would be good - not USERS, but
(BCODERS. good ones. :)
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(B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
(BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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