Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 04:21, Carsten Haitzler wrote: no - we don't support most of them yet. we still dont properly support basic ICCCM. we need to make this all work properly. (PS - you managed to stay at sun without getting the chop! :):) good to hear after the recent axes falling in the UK). Yeah - it was close, though. I lost 3 close colleagues - all of whom are doing well elsewhere now, but it was worrying at the time. That was last year - the recent one was people they kept until S10 was out the door. If we need to shrink further I don't think this will continue to be as fun a place to work =O( You seem to be happy with your change of country, though ;O) PS: desktop elements of gnome and kde will never be guaranteed to work. ie panel, nautilus, pagers etc. e17 has a much more sophisticated outlook on virtual desktops than the fd.o netwm standards -SNIP but we don't intend to do any work or compromise our own plans on design, usability and features just to meet a standard. you are still always welcome to use metacity and gnomes panel and nautilus instead - but think of e17 and precluding NOT JUST another wm but a set of other apps too. :) Of course I'd never expect E17 to be crippled to fit in with stuff it's trying to replace. The only thing I found a problem was iconised apps wouldn't re-open when clicked in the Panel. The rest could easily and obviously be done other ways - re-opening apps meant using the menu, which felt wrong. I know there's an Iconbar, I just haven't figure it out yet. Once I do, that last worry will be gone. It'd be nice if it understood the ICCCM signals though, so it can inter-operate some. Right now I use (well used, and will be using again once I get the latest CVS code installed on our SunRay server. I've finally given up my desktop SPARC for the glories of SunRay) E16 and all Kim's lovely work to replace Metacity, and it's wonderful for that. Metacity seems to have been designed to generate the minimum number of support calls... I also have a hand-build PC running JDS3/Linux, where e17 is now, and a Ferrari laptop running S10 x64, JDS3/Linux and very rarely XP. I'll be working on e17 on S10 side once I can get the graphics accelerated enough to be worth it. I've actually had more luck getting S10 right on the laptop than Linux, but the ATI drivers on linux are crap, and the Xorg ones on Solaris don't perform too well, though they're more stable =O( I spent some time working on Project LookingGlass in its early internal days, but E17 really does look better right now. ;O) I missed downloading the sky.eet file, if it was on the rasterman.com site, though. Anyone still got it? still there - just changed names :) Oh great, a treasure hunt. Thanks =O) Ta, -- o o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ark R. Bowyerhttp://mark.thebowyers.me.uk[EMAIL PROTECTED] `-' --- /\ ...fingerprint = 7924 9E9E 7B91 225E B065 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign 1024D/15140DC1 39D0 551D ABE6 1514 0DC1 X Against HTML Mail / \ GOOSECRUIVES (pl. n. archaic) A pair of wooden trousers worn by poultry-keepers in the Middle Ages. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 18:34, Martin White wrote: I can happily report that E16.999 was a doddle to get going under Mandrake 10.1 With reference to the Mandrake 10 notes, and a little bit of searching on rpmfind.net, I can add that the fc1 RPMs work brilliantly on Sun Java Desktop 3 for Linux, too. Since someone said it worked on SuSE already, that wasn't hard to guess, but just to add to the list. The hardest part was probably caused by me wanting to keep the Gnome desktop it comes with running at the same time. So I brought up the Session prefs manager and switched off metacity and nautilus, and left everything else going, and it was fine. There's no support for the freedesktop signals for changing desktop yet, it seems? Anyway, it worked. I missed downloading the sky.eet file, if it was on the rasterman.com site, though. Anyone still got it? Ta, -- o o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ark R. Bowyerhttp://mark.thebowyers.me.uk[EMAIL PROTECTED] `-' --- /\ ...fingerprint = 7924 9E9E 7B91 225E B065 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign 1024D/15140DC1 39D0 551D ABE6 1514 0DC1 X Against HTML Mail / \ If you were a gladiator in olden days, I bet the inefficiency of how the gladiator fights were organized and scheduled would just drive you up a wall. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:17:53 + "Mark R. Bowyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 18:34, Martin White wrote: I can happily report that E16.999 was a doddle to get going under Mandrake 10.1 With reference to the Mandrake 10 notes, and a little bit of searching on rpmfind.net, I can add that the fc1 RPMs work brilliantly on Sun Java Desktop 3 for Linux, too. Since someone said it worked on SuSE already, that wasn't hard to guess, but just to add to the list. The hardest part was probably caused by me wanting to keep the Gnome desktop it comes with running at the same time. So I brought up the Session prefs manager and switched off metacity and nautilus, and left everything else going, and it was fine. There's no support for the freedesktop signals for changing desktop yet, it seems? Anyway, it worked. no - we don't support most of them yet. we still dont properly support basic ICCCM. we need to make this all work properly. (PS - you managed to stay at sun without getting the chop! :):) good to hear after the recent axes falling in the UK). PS: desktop elements of gnome and kde will never be guaranteed to work. ie panel, nautilus, pagers etc. e17 has a much more sophisticated outlook on virtual desktops than the fd.o netwm standards - it actually displays 2 desktops or more if in xinerama and so it cant really work with the pager as u would need 2 or 3 or 4 pagers in such a mode. we intend applications to work properly, but we don't intend to do any work or compromise our own plans on design, usability and features just to "meet a standard". you are still always welcome to use metacity and gnomes panel and nautilus instead - but think of e17 and precluding NOT JUST another wm but a set of other apps too. :) I missed downloading the sky.eet file, if it was on the rasterman.com site, though. Anyone still got it? still there - just changed names :) Ta, -- o o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ark R. Bowyerhttp://mark.thebowyers.me.uk[EMAIL PROTECTED] `-' --- /"\ ...fingerprint = 7924 9E9E 7B91 225E B065 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign 1024D/15140DC1 39D0 551D ABE6 1514 0DC1 X Against HTML Mail / \ If you were a gladiator in olden days, I bet the inefficiency of how the gladiator fights were organized and scheduled would just drive you up a wall. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
Dear Martin, Thanks for the feedback for the Mandrake distro. ;-) I will link your notes to my website so that it would save some more time to other mandrake users. To come back to your last point, this is the latest and greatest code!!! These rpms have been built out of cvs. -- With kind regards, Didier. --- Didier F.B Casse | PhD candidate | Singapore Synchrotron light Source (SSLS) Email: didier.casse AT_Remove_THE_N00SPAM gmail DOT com | Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:34:47 -, Martin White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Against my normal better judgement and in complete contradiction to my ealier mail, I liked the look of those RPMs and had a spare hour on this snowy Friday afternoon so just went for it. I can happily report that E16.999 was a doddle to get going under Mandrake 10.1 Now this was obviously already known since Didier's site has some notes on Madrake 10.1 on the front page, but just for the benefit of anyone else here is what I did since there were a couple of gotcha's. (DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT DON'T DO IT SINCE IT DOES INVOLVE --FORCE!) Firstly I uninstalled my E16 setup because I was getting rpm conflicts. 1. I did exactly as per Didier's site in the section Attention Mandrake Users (installing and sorting some locations of a few crypto libs) 2. I downloaded the contents of the FC2 rpm dir since I don't have apt or yum installed and I believe that path may not work under mdk anyway because of the following points. 3. Went to the dir I saved them to and just did an rpm -Uvh * and then noted what it was saying it was missing. 4. Installed all dependencies until I got it down to freetype2 and xine-lib and one other xine related one. 5. Freetype2. Mdk calls this libfreetype6 and libfreetype6-devel apparently so checked these were installed and continued. 6. With the xine rpms, similar issue. They were called lib-xine rather than xine-lib. Something like that. Checked they were installed and continued. 7. rpm -Uvh --force * since I now knew everything it thought it was missing was in fact really there. Bingo. E doesn't show up in gdm yet. I'm looking at that, but for now I have DESKTOP=enlightenment in ~/.desktop and in /etc/sysconfig/desktop and that seems to do the job. Nice work Didier. I know maybe source build would get me the latest and greatest code and maybe guarantee my build a bit better, but in the space of about 30 minutes I'm now finding my way round a new environment that looks just stunning. Now all I need to do is just that. Find my way around :) Cheers, Martin. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Raster's paper.
Hello, list! Look at this http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=Main You can find there some movies with e17. The one is marvellous! -- Levakin Alexandr ( aka frozt ) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
MUST HAVE THE ANIMATED BACKGROUND AS SHOWN IN MOVIES! On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 03:49 -0600, Alexander Levackin wrote: Hello, list! Look at this http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=Main You can find there some movies with e17. The one is marvellous! -- R. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:18 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: MUST HAVE THE ANIMATED BACKGROUND AS SHOWN IN MOVIES! ? http://rasterman.com/files/sky.eet /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
(must figure out how to compile e17 on suse9.2) Thanks for the link, but getting e17 to compile and run is a little out of my league. I'm waiting for the rpms. R. On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:35 -0600, Richard Torkar wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:18 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: MUST HAVE THE ANIMATED BACKGROUND AS SHOWN IN MOVIES! ? http://rasterman.com/files/sky.eet /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- R. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:56 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: (must figure out how to compile e17 on suse9.2) Thanks for the link, but getting e17 to compile and run is a little out of my league. I'm waiting for the rpms. There are already rpms out (from CVS). http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/ Dunno how they work on SuSE... /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
I'll try it, and let everyone know how it turns out. I have e16 working. Does that mean I don;t have to install the imlib2 rpms that are with the e17 rpms? R. On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 10:06 -0600, Richard Torkar wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:56 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: (must figure out how to compile e17 on suse9.2) Thanks for the link, but getting e17 to compile and run is a little out of my league. I'm waiting for the rpms. There are already rpms out (from CVS). http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/ Dunno how they work on SuSE... /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- R. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 10:55 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: I'll try it, and let everyone know how it turns out. I have e16 working. Does that mean I don;t have to install the imlib2 rpms that are with the e17 rpms? hehehe, now you're on your own ;-) I have no idea... /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:06:44 +0100, Richard Torkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:56 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: (must figure out how to compile e17 on suse9.2) Thanks for the link, but getting e17 to compile and run is a little out of my league. I'm waiting for the rpms. There are already rpms out (from CVS). http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/ Dunno how they work on SuSE... Somebody told me that it worked on SuSE too. You might install one or two packages and see whether it's ok. -- With kind regards, Didier. --- Didier F.B Casse | PhD candidate | Singapore Synchrotron light Source (SSLS) Email: didier.casse AT_Remove_THE_N00SPAM gmail DOT com | Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Raster's paper.
To be on the safe side, it would be best to install the latest imlib2 from cvs! -- With kind regards, Didier. --- Didier F.B Casse | PhD candidate | Singapore Synchrotron light Source (SSLS) Email: didier.casse AT_Remove_THE_N00SPAM gmail DOT com | Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:08:53 +0100, Richard Torkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 10:55 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: I'll try it, and let everyone know how it turns out. I have e16 working. Does that mean I don;t have to install the imlib2 rpms that are with the e17 rpms? hehehe, now you're on your own ;-) I have no idea... /Richard --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] Raster's paper.
Against my normal better judgement and in complete contradiction to my ealier mail, I liked the look of those RPMs and had a spare hour on this snowy Friday afternoon so just went for it. I can happily report that E16.999 was a doddle to get going under Mandrake 10.1 Now this was obviously already known since Didier's site has some notes on Madrake 10.1 on the front page, but just for the benefit of anyone else here is what I did since there were a couple of gotcha's. (DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT DON'T DO IT SINCE IT DOES INVOLVE --FORCE!) Firstly I uninstalled my E16 setup because I was getting rpm conflicts. 1. I did exactly as per Didier's site in the section Attention Mandrake Users (installing and sorting some locations of a few crypto libs) 2. I downloaded the contents of the FC2 rpm dir since I don't have apt or yum installed and I believe that path may not work under mdk anyway because of the following points. 3. Went to the dir I saved them to and just did an rpm -Uvh * and then noted what it was saying it was missing. 4. Installed all dependencies until I got it down to freetype2 and xine-lib and one other xine related one. 5. Freetype2. Mdk calls this libfreetype6 and libfreetype6-devel apparently so checked these were installed and continued. 6. With the xine rpms, similar issue. They were called lib-xine rather than xine-lib. Something like that. Checked they were installed and continued. 7. rpm -Uvh --force * since I now knew everything it thought it was missing was in fact really there. Bingo. E doesn't show up in gdm yet. I'm looking at that, but for now I have DESKTOP=enlightenment in ~/.desktop and in /etc/sysconfig/desktop and that seems to do the job. Nice work Didier. I know maybe source build would get me the latest and greatest code and maybe guarantee my build a bit better, but in the space of about 30 minutes I'm now finding my way round a new environment that looks just stunning. Now all I need to do is just that. Find my way around :) Cheers, Martin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Didier Casse Sent: 25 February 2005 17:54 To: Richard Torkar; enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Ron Lau Subject: Re: [e-users] Raster's paper. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:06:44 +0100, Richard Torkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 09:56 -0600, Ron Lau wrote: (must figure out how to compile e17 on suse9.2) Thanks for the link, but getting e17 to compile and run is a little out of my league. I'm waiting for the rpms. There are already rpms out (from CVS). http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/ Dunno how they work on SuSE... Somebody told me that it worked on SuSE too. You might install one or two packages and see whether it's ok. -- With kind regards, Didier. --- Didier F.B Casse | PhD candidate | Singapore Synchrotron light Source (SSLS) Email: didier.casse AT_Remove_THE_N00SPAM gmail DOT com | Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
