Re: [e-users] how is E going on?
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:44:58 +0800 (SGT) Didier Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bbabbled: (B (B I heard it's the legacy X Window System Input Method (XIM) used by (B existing Input Methods such as chinput, xcin, kinput2, ami and many (B others. (B (B But the Intranet/Internet Input Method Framework (IIIMF) is the next (B generation Input Method Framework will be set to replace the above. (B (B Some links on the next generation inupt for these Asian languages: (B (B Full invitation letter: (B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/ (B (B Testing guide: (B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide/ (B (B IIIMF testing packages: (B http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/files (B (B IIIMF open source project site and other projects on OpenI18N: (B http://www.openi18n.org/ (B http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index; (B req=vi$ (B (B (B Available for tests: (B + iiimf-le-inpinyin for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN.UTF-8) (B + iiimf-le-xcin for Traditional Chinese (zh_TW.UTF-8) (B + iiimf-le-canna for Japanese (ja_JP.UTF-8) (B + iiimf-le-hangul for Korean (ko_KR.UTF-8) (B (Bhmm - interesting. i will have to check this out when i get some time. god... (Bthat reminds me - i need to find some! :) (B (B (B (B (B-- (B- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- (BThe Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] $B7'<*(B - $Bhttp://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click (B___ (Benlightenment-users mailing list (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] how is E going on?
Zhang Weiwu wrote: John wrote: So, no, it is NOT dead, and if you want more info, I'd be happy to give some to you. I read a message by Ben Rockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2004-03-14 11:25 Please refer to the following news post on the Enlightenment.org website in Sept: After months of restraint heres the big update as to where E is and is going. Enlightenment DR17, the window manager currently in e17 CVS, is dead. As was mentioned in the State of E address awhile back the current WM code needs a complete rewrite, and thus the current code is nothing but a test platform. There is currently no publicly available WM code for DR17, but the initial CVS commit will be coming in the next month or two. Many lessons were learned from the WM code that currently exists in CVS, namely that even in CVS we stretched the limits of what Ebits could do. This prompted Raster several months ago to scrap it and start work on Edje. Edje is essentially Ebits2 in concept, but is drastically different from the original Ebits implementation. Edje uses EET instead of EDB which Ebits uses, and truly does what Ebits hoped to do: abstract completely an applications interface from its code base. Edje theming doesn't just put a new image in place of the default. It actually can completely change the feel of the user interface, rather than just its appearance. On top of this Edje supports animation! This means that DR17 will not be just another static looking window manager, it will have smooth animations and effects -- from simple fades and bounces to window borders that consist of swirling colors. We do not any longer support the E module in e17 CVS. In fact, we never supported it. You can also note the same thing from the header of the E17 page on cuddletech: WARNING WARNING!!!: This Page is HISTORICAL! DR17 as you see it here does not work, or build. It is being completely rewritten to be bigger and better than anything you see here. So look, and enjoy, but don't plan on using it. So he mean on september DR 17 people starts to re-write? Is it what Brooks talked about build it to throw it away? I think any reasonably large project like E will likely take more than one year to build test, so DR17 (sorry is there a roadmap publicly available?) is not likely to come out this year? Oh no that will be 6 years to wait totally, if not any longer .. There is at least one Japanese developper on the team, whose screen name is Rasterman. He reads this list as well I believe. So, patience my friend, E17 will come out, sooner or later. I have been waiting for almost 5 years for it to come out, and I'm happy enough seeing the progress made with the other applications like Evidence and Entrance. Concerning the China firewall, can you access personal webpages? I'd be happy to copy some of the news from E on my website from time to time, if you and other chinese E-Users can access it. What is your website address? I think if Enlightenment.org consists of mostly static pages, you can mirror it, or you can make a mirror site like enlightenment.cn (this domain is not registered, I checked. I can register it.) I'll make a mirror of it on my homepage, assuming of course the maintainers of the site don't have an objection. It's http://membres.lycos.fr/borkkash/ I'll just put a new directory in it, 'cuz I use it mainly to put all my 3D creations up. if you give me 24 hours I'll have all the news section up, and then if you want more you can email to me personally. I'll send you the new link when it's up. maybe a link from a webpage you can access to one that's supposedly blocked will work, no? I'll add one on my mainpage ASAP and you can try that too. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] how is E going on?
Wouter van Marle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your website address? I think if Enlightenment.org consists of mostly static pages, you can mirror it, or you can make a mirror site like enlightenment.cn (this domain is not registered, I checked. I can register it.) Falling off-topic: You may have a hard time registering Enlightenment.cn in China. Enlightenment is not only a Buddhist term, it carries some more political charge. That's why I think China blocks enlightenment.org. It's not a country that would want their people enlightened (they even try to keep Hong Kong down! Not that that really seems to work here...), and their track record on political issues is not exactly great. Then they probably block websites more on name/topic/keyword than actual content, as that saves them a lot of work. So that's the reason: enlightenment is a Buddhist term? DAMN IT. I have had it enough. So it is obviously impossible to register that domain. Just some thoughts from a concerned expat in Hong Kong. Wouter. (please no political discussions here, that's not what this group is for. I stretched the topic far enough.) So let us stop here. Do you know sourceforge was blocked once upon a time? I don't want it again. -- Written with FeLaMiMail in Egroupware http://www.egroupware.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id70alloc_id638op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] how is E going on?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: (B (BOn Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:59 +0800 Wouter van Marle (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: (B (B (B (B (B (BWhat is your website address? I think if Enlightenment.org consists of (Bmostly static pages, you can mirror it, or you can make a mirror site (Blike enlightenment.cn (this domain is not registered, I checked. I can (Bregister it.) (B (B (BFalling off-topic: You may have a hard time registering (B"Enlightenment.cn" in China. Enlightenment is not only a Buddhist term, (Bit carries some more political charge. That's why I think China blocks (B"enlightenment.org". It's not a country that would want their people (Benlightened (they even try to keep Hong Kong down! Not that that really (Bseems to work here...), and their track record on political issues is (Bnot exactly great. Then they probably block websites more on (Bname/topic/keyword than actual content, as that saves them a lot of (Bwork. (B (B (B (Bjust a point: maybe someone should point out they are blocking a site that is (Bnon political and all about software? china is making a big thing of pushing (Blinux to be used there and blocking sites that are development "portals" for (Bwhat is primarily linux based software is to their detriment. i personally would (Blike more chinese people to use E and maybe contribute later with translations, (Binternationalization etc. (B (Bi have gone to effort now to support utf-8 and internationalisation and i am (Blearning japanese, so to a large extent i can solve the underlying problems (Bchinese localisation will suffer by virtual of solving japanese, but i can't (Bhelp with things like translation files etc. this isn't an immediate issue, but (Bin the long term i'td be nicer to harness that vast population china has and get (Bsome help in supporting their language (and for that matter - what the hell is (Bthe chinese input system? japanese is complex enough! :):) ) (B (Banyway = so maybe its worth finding the appropriate authorities and pointing (Bthis out asking them to take a look. i don't know how it works there, but maybe (Bthey will remove this particular block, or make an exception as it is along (Btheir political interests to support linux (and thus any development related to (Bit). (B (B (B (BI don't think you totally understand the chinese government. If someone (Bfrom the inside of the country tries to point out they made even a minor (Bmistake, I wouldn't be surprised if the government managed to make him (B"accidentaly" disappear. (BIt is rather our role, as outsiders, to point out they are excluding too (Bmany things, and especially good ones. (BI think it would be better if we found an official government email, and (Bsent them an official (and open) letter, asking them to at least verify (Bsome of the adresses they block which mainly address opensource (Bsoftware. It will be a first step in making them revise their (B"websecurity policy". (BDo not underestimate the government, sometimes it sounds as if they have (Bmore ego than the leader in Pyong-Yang or our delightful Mr. Bush. (BRemember their history, they've always been extremely proud and tend to (B"snob" any non-asian organization, whether it's a government or a (Bcompany or a group of people like the one that makes the E-users community. (B (B (B (B--- (BThis SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials (BFree Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of (BGenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system (Badministration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click (B___ (Benlightenment-users mailing list (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] how is E going on?
On 17/03/04, at 11:28 +0900, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some help in supporting their language (and for that matter - what the hell is the chinese input system? japanese is complex enough! :):) ) I heard it's the legacy X Window System Input Method (XIM) used by existing Input Methods such as chinput, xcin, kinput2, ami and many others. But the Intranet/Internet Input Method Framework (IIIMF) is the next generation Input Method Framework will be set to replace the above. Some links on the next generation inupt for these Asian languages: Full invitation letter: http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/ Testing guide: http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/testing-guide/ IIIMF testing packages: http://apac.redhat.com/iiimftest/files IIIMF open source project site and other projects on OpenI18N: http://www.openi18n.org/ http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=index; req=vi$ Available for tests: + iiimf-le-inpinyin for Simplified Chinese (zh_CN.UTF-8) + iiimf-le-xcin for Traditional Chinese (zh_TW.UTF-8) + iiimf-le-canna for Japanese (ja_JP.UTF-8) + iiimf-le-hangul for Korean (ko_KR.UTF-8) With kind regards, Didier. --- PhD student. Singapore Synchrotron Light Source (SSLS) 5 Research Link, Singapore 117603 Email: slsbdfc at nus dot edu dot sg / didierbe at sps dot nus dot edu dot sg Web: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] how is E going on?
Sorry the question sounds silly. I have been using Enlightenment for one year, it is my favorite. Only that I am in China, and the enlightenment.org website is unreachable from within the so called China firewall. I believe enlightenment.org does not contain political stuff; I think it is excluded by mistake. Anyway I get no way to know about news and recent activities of enlightenment. Recently someone told me enlightenment has mailing lists on sourceforge, so I hurried subscribed it. I just wish to know how is the development going. Enlightenment has no newer version for quite some time, too slow comparing to other famouse opensouce projects. I heard E17 is dead, but I'm technique newbie, I read the dead announcement but I don't really get it. Is E17 dead because there is something even better than E17 will come out? When can I experience complex animiation on enlightenment, like MAC OS X users have? I have been using some eppletes from FreeBSD port tree, the epplets are ages old, and the port maintainer said please send your patches to the *port maintainer*. I acutally feel surprised on this, doesn't enlightenment team accept patches from outside like apache/linux do? And is there any Chinese/Japanese people in the group? I never managed to run Enlightenment with Chinese window titles successfully, will the next version of E have better Chinese support? Thank you. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ enlightenment-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
