Re: [EVDL] Lawn tractor conversion: lessons learned
New lesson learned this weekend. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Michael K Johnson wrote: > Talking myself into doubling my 4awg welding cable for the equivalent > cross sectional area of 1awg was almost certainly overkill. Joe > Lorenzi has 8awg in his JD with the same motor, and he told me that it > gets a little warm and thicker than 8awg would be useful, but I really > don't think I need 1awg equivalent. Even immediately after mowing > through thick grass with no breaks for nearly half an hour (down to > 50%DoD) my cables are cold. If I were doing it over, I would just use > the 4awg cable. Would be easier and use lighter, easier-to-manage > lugs, and routing would be less of a challenge than it was. I changed my mind this weekend. To prepare for aeration and overseeding, I mowed my lawn short. I normally mow with the deck raised to maximum height (good for fescue lawns), but to prepare to aerate and overseed, I nearly scalped the lawn. I still mulched while doing this to create cover for the seeds when overseeding. Cutting the grass low takes far more power; so much so that a few times the cutting blades nearly stalled. Normally I can mow front and back without exceeding 50% DoD while mowing up to 26 minutes. Cutting just the front, taking well under 20 minutes (going slowly), I significantly exceeded 50% DoD. Don't know exactly how much because I couldn't let the battery rest to get a precise measurement; I had to charge right away to keep going in order to finish the project this weekend. What clued me in to bring the mower back in to charge very early was that the 2 4awg cables (1awg cross sectional equivalent) were quite warm to the touch. Not too hot to touch, but perhaps 50⁰C. I don't know how much current I was drawing, but in any case I now feel that 1awg equivalent was a good choice, and if I ever get stiffer batteries, I'll want to consider even larger wires. Roland, thanks for recommending that I double the wires! > I bought both 400A and 200A fuses, not sure whether it would blow the > 200A fuse. I needn't have worried. I do see over 100A continuous, but > the 200A fuse hasn't blown. The batteries just can't push that much > current through that motor... Even while bogged down, with the blades occasionally almost stallling when the deck started getting clogged, and the wires getting warm, the 200A fuse did not blow. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
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[EVDL] Boston-Power Launches Ensemble Module System ==> battery pack kits
It's probably wishful thinking, but it would nice to have these available through EV parts dealers: Boston-Power Launches Ensemble™ Module System Highly Scalable, Highly Reliable, “No-Weld” Integration System for Automotive and Industrial Battery Module Solutions WESTBOROUGH, Mass. and BEIJING, CHINA, Sept 16th, 2014 - Boston-Power Inc., an industry leading developer and manufacturer of lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries and energy storage technologies, today announced its launch of the Ensemble Module System; a revolutionary “kit” of standard components that allows OEMs and pack assemblers a simple, cost-effective way to assemble large format battery pack solutions for electric vehicle (EV) and energy storage system (ESS) applications. Available in 155 Wh and 116 Wh increments, module designs can be created to meet a wide variety of voltage and capacity requirements. Companies in need of large format battery packs are faced with spending significant time and expense in designing, qualifying and fabricating custom solutions to meet their requirements. Boston-Power’s Ensemble Module System provides a semi-custom cell-to-module approach to quickly and easily integrate Boston-Power’s cells into high energy density battery modules. For OEMs and pack assemblers, the Ensemble Module System accelerates time to proof of concept, prototype and most importantly market while reducing upfront capital investment, program risk, BOM complexity, labor cost, production yield and operational complexity. “The Ensemble Module System offers a game-changing approach to building large battery packs for our customers,” said Darren Bischoff, Director of Business Development and Marketing for Boston-Power. “First, the flexibility of the Ensemble system allows customers to design, build and test a prototype pack in a fraction of the time it would typically take for a fully custom solution. Next, the production quality components used in the initial prototypes greatly reduce the pack qualification effort needed to launch into mass production. Finally, the same highly-reliable standard components used in the prototype and development stages support a cost-effective launch of low, medium and high volume packs without the need for expensive tooling or a complex assembly line. Ensemble provides clear value from project inception through high volume pack production.” Key to the Ensemble solution is its innovative pressure-connect approach to module assembly which completely eliminates the need for difficult, costly and time consuming cell welding. Fully tested to automotive quality standards, the result is a mechanically robust module that can be assembled and disassembled in a fraction of the time of conventional methods. By utilizing Boston-Power’s Swing Cell products, customers realize all of the ease of assembly benefits of large format modules while retaining all the advantages of packing density, reliability and thermal performance that come with using Boston-Power’s small form-factor battery cells. The Ensemble Module System enables cost-effective battery module packaging and mounting solution with exceptional performance at any volume. Sample, prototype and production volumes are currently available. The kits appear to be based on their 18650 lithium cobalt cells made in Shenzen: Swing® 5300 Cell Designed to meet the challenges of the EV automotive market, Swing 5300 offers: Optimized chemistry for higher operating temperature applications Equivalent capacity with long cycle life whether at 23C or 45C Wide operating temperature range Discharge -40°C to 70°C Charge -20°C to 60°C High energy density By volume: 490Wh/L By weight: 207Wh/kg 10 year reliable calendar life 1,000+ cycles at 100% DOD 2,000+ cycles at 90% DOD 3,500+ cycles at 75% DOD Fast charge with minimal loss of cycle life (80% capacity in 30 minutes) Unmatched safety features Patented CID Separator with integrated shutdown mechanism Redundant vents Aluminum can construction to optimize thermal dissipation Laser welded lid Certifications UL UN RoHS Nordic Ecolabel Chinese Environmental United Certification Center -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Boston-Power-Launches-Ensemble-Module-System-battery-pack-kits-tp4671843.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.
Good question, I don't know the make & model. I wish I had asked. They do look exactly like the Maxeon Cell to me: http://us.sunpower.com/why-sunpower/high-efficiency-solar-technology/ Maybe they provided the Stella team specially tested as exceptionally efficient panels from the lab. * Which Solar Panels Are The Most Efficient? - CleanTechnica cleantechnica.com/2014/02/02/which-solar-panels-most-efficient/ * * Feb 2, 2014 - 21.5% SunPower solar modules hold the commercial solar module ...Best Research Cell Efficiencies Most Efficient Solar Panels Which Ones? * 21.5% SunPower solar modules hold the commercial solar module efficiency record. SunPower’s SPR-327NE-WHT-D modules are also the leading solar modules in solar module yield field tests, and other SunPower solar modules come in #2 and #3 in those tests. (For those of you to who this matters or is interesting, SunPower is a US-based solar panel company.) From:Michael Ross To: Danny Ames ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone. 22.5% efficient is not very likely a realistic assessment. That tops Sunpower (who does have a flexible panel now) 1400W would be 4 of the regular home installed panels. Any idea of the make and model? On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Danny Ames via EV wrote: I meet the Stella driver at the recent US Guinness EV event in Cupertino Ca. and he stated their Photo voltaic cells are rated at1400 watts and are 22.5% efficient. The battery is 15.5 KW hour pack. > >Danny Ames > > > From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:44 PM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone. > > >I want my vehicle to be so efficient that the panels can run the vehicle at 30 >to 40 mph under bright sunlight. The Stella has an efficiency of 35 wh per km >which makes it possible to run on the panels alone. Lawrence Rhodes > >Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140926/eda3d07f/attachment.htm> > >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140927/f399d154/attachment.htm> > >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? Dalai Lama Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. Warren Buffet Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/3bdccfe0/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> Surely an independent Tesla dealer would just sell him >> the parts. > > Is there a law that requires that they do so? That's getting into questions of anti-trust and safety and environmental regulations and similar laws. They may, in fact, be legally obligated to sell to anybody; or they might be legally prohibited from selling to anybody but a select, certified, few. Ultimately, it's first a question of whether or not they want to sell; then, if not, whether or not anybody wants to try to force them to sell; then, how good the competing legal teams are; and, perhaps, how good the various K Street connections are. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/9ff5590d/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
On 28 Sep 2014 at 11:19, Nathan Loofbourrow via EV wrote: > Surely an independent Tesla dealer would just sell him > the parts. Is there a law that requires that they do so? Otherwise, Tesla could "fix" that "problem" by requiring dealers to sign agreements not to sell parts to anyone other than approved service facilities. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
Does this problem relate to Tesla’s battles with states that require independent dealers? Surely an independent Tesla dealer would just sell him the parts. n -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/09f11945/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
Given the path Tesla has taken with software - I can't see how they manage off the grid salvage units. If they interact with such - what liability do they take on? A solution is maybe an open source OS for the car, something that runs it, but it takes Tesla off the hook - which is obviously how it has to be; and puts the EV owner on the hook - which is necessary if you are going to salvage such a thing - off the grid so to speak. I don't know what GMs motivation was with the EV1, I assume very proprietary based on nothing; or what Tesla's is now. I tend to think there is less evil empire with Tesla and more having to conform to existing and maybe silly rules and regs. It is unfortunate, but I understand why they would prefer this...for now. Musk really wants EVs everywhere. But as always the DIY side is not much of a concern. Congress mandates that OEMs have to support the existence of an aftermarket. Telas will have to deal with this somehow. I have know idea what it looks like. If cars were still pretty dumb, with no digital IP, there would be a lot less difficulty. If wishes were fishes On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > To my ears, this has a faint but uncomfortable echo of GM's policies with > the EV1: you may have leased the EV, but >WE< control its fate. > > Tesla's policies here echo where many other corporations are headed, and > not > just in EVs or even just in automobiles. It's no longer enough for you to > buy the product; they also want to ensure that you're locked in to > providing > them with a constant, reliable stream of future income as long as you own > that product. > > Basically, they want you to buy the car, but rent the right to drive it. > And it's not just Tesla; it's all the manufacturers. > > Products that constantly "phone home" to their manufacturers sound like a > great idea. Tesla can warn you if something's wrong, and track your car if > someone steals it. They can improve your car with updated software while > you sleep. You can monitor the car's charging progress, and pre-cool the > car from your mobile phone. > > But Tesla can also decide that you're not sufficiently subservient to their > rules, and - in effect - virtually confiscate the car you paid them for. > > The Renault Zoe has a rather less veiled version of this manufacturer > control. If you don't pay your battery rental, they'll disable the battery, > effectively "bricking" your car. > > IMO, any product that you "own" but don't fully control, you're really just > renting. > > If you're not going to own your EV, IMO you should get more benefits than > this from the rental transaction. I'm thinking station cars or > car-sharing, > where you get (or should get) the right to vehicle flexibility. > > For example, if you need to pick up a load of wood at the lumberyard, you > can swap your commuter EV for a pickup truck for the weekend. Or if you're > taking a vacation with the whole family, you can exchange your EV for an > ICEV for 2 weeks. > > And don't forget, there are still millions of older ICEVs out there that > are > NOT locked to their manufacturers for anything - parts or otherwise. > Relieve them of their grimy bits, drop in a generic motor and controller > and > batteries, and you have an EV that you genuinely, truly control. > > Something to think about, no? > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land
Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
To my ears, this has a faint but uncomfortable echo of GM's policies with the EV1: you may have leased the EV, but >WE< control its fate. Tesla's policies here echo where many other corporations are headed, and not just in EVs or even just in automobiles. It's no longer enough for you to buy the product; they also want to ensure that you're locked in to providing them with a constant, reliable stream of future income as long as you own that product. Basically, they want you to buy the car, but rent the right to drive it. And it's not just Tesla; it's all the manufacturers. Products that constantly "phone home" to their manufacturers sound like a great idea. Tesla can warn you if something's wrong, and track your car if someone steals it. They can improve your car with updated software while you sleep. You can monitor the car's charging progress, and pre-cool the car from your mobile phone. But Tesla can also decide that you're not sufficiently subservient to their rules, and - in effect - virtually confiscate the car you paid them for. The Renault Zoe has a rather less veiled version of this manufacturer control. If you don't pay your battery rental, they'll disable the battery, effectively "bricking" your car. IMO, any product that you "own" but don't fully control, you're really just renting. If you're not going to own your EV, IMO you should get more benefits than this from the rental transaction. I'm thinking station cars or car-sharing, where you get (or should get) the right to vehicle flexibility. For example, if you need to pick up a load of wood at the lumberyard, you can swap your commuter EV for a pickup truck for the weekend. Or if you're taking a vacation with the whole family, you can exchange your EV for an ICEV for 2 weeks. And don't forget, there are still millions of older ICEVs out there that are NOT locked to their manufacturers for anything - parts or otherwise. Relieve them of their grimy bits, drop in a generic motor and controller and batteries, and you have an EV that you genuinely, truly control. Something to think about, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.
Well DUH! Your Prius is no where big enough or efficient enough to take advantage of a system like that and get any real range. Now put that on lets say a bicycle and well you'd get a hundred miles...Right tool for the right job. (you'd have to pedal too) Lawrence Rhodes.. > > From: Robert Bruninga >To: Lawrence Rhodes ; Electric Vehicle Discussion >List >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone. > > > >I have 200W of solar panels on the roof of my Prius. Did it in 2007. THen >realized, why in the world waste time with 15 SqFt of solar panels on the roof >of my car when I have 1500 sqft on the roof of my house! > > >And, in 2013, the cost of 250W home-roof top panels only cost $200 compared to >the $2400 cost of the ones on my car roof (that can bend to fit the roof). >The cost of HOME solar panels is down to $0.70 a Watt. The cost of the small >scale car roof panels REMAIN at $10/watt. > > >So to me, the TEN times cost of putting solar on the 15 sqft of car roof >compared to the 100 TIMES larger area on my house tells me it is ONE THOUSAND >times more cost effective to put solar panels on my House roof compared to on >the roof of the car. > > >Sure, I can brag that I pickup 1 km of FREE car range for each hour parked in >the summer sun, but I can also get that for FREE when I plug into my home >solar for just 5 minutes. > > >Been there, don't that. The T-shirt wasn't worth it. > > >See the car: http://aprs.org/my-EVs.html > > >Bob, WB4APR > > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV >wrote: > >It seems that the numbers don't lie. There is now a proven design which will >allow you very good range with a small battery pack and good speed. The >Stella. My next project after the electric motorcycle will be a road going >vehicle with a top of solar panels. The Stella proves ugly is good at least >for a family solar car. I'm going to build mine using a Leaf battery pack. >It will be heavier than the Stella and have more battery capacity but that is >not set in stone.I will make a tear drop tube frame and cover it using light >plastic or abs sheet. The vehicle will look like a tadpole with a wide tail. >The Stella proves you can have a very blunt front edge and still have >efficient CD. I'll use four hub motors. Seating for four or 6 will be >slightly recumbent. Small space in rear for storage. It will be very similar >to the Stella in looks but a lot simpler. I don't want to reinvent the wheel. > It would be nice if it could cruise at 25 or >> thirty mph and still charge the battery.However I'd be happy if it would >> charge in a day of bright sunlight and have a 200 mile range. Now to source >> the parts. That's where the group can help. The Stella used individual >> solar panels laminated into the roof of the vehicle. What is the best to >> use to get at least 1.2kw? Bicycle hub motors. What are the most efficient >> for the money? Using four if they are all 1 watt motors this should do >> the job for freeway speeds. A Rudman charger of some sort unless the solar >> panels are enough. Simple disc brakes when not using regen. I'll be making >> the frame from bicycle chromoly. I'm going to try to get Zzipper to make >> the windshield.. All comments are welcome. Lawrence Rhodes >>-- next part -- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: >><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140926/42ea0963/attachment.htm> >>___ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/c6720f09/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.
But in daily use on real world roads, where it might be cloudy or sunny, where trees and structures often shade the streets? E, I don't think so. And as I showed before, based on the energy consumption and PV output specifications provided for this vehicle, the claim is just not credible on its face. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Build one and prove me wrong. Well it's like any EV. You use it as is and see what it can do. However it did win the challenge. I did see it go up the coast near my house...the hill climbing is impressive in itself. It won't win any speed contests but if it started a hill on Route 1 at 80mph it finished at 80. However if it got stuck at the bottom at a beach entrance you'd spend more time climbing for sure. That said since it is a winner see what it can do. EVen in Ohio you get a fair amount of sunlight. You are not going 500 miles EVery day. My relatives have big cars that go maybe 10 miles a day. Yes I was born in OHIO. So the rolling hills and partly cloudy skys would still allow this vehicle to be more than practical. BTW the doors hinge up and are doors. The cab is completely sealed but not hermetically just aerodynamically. EVen if you had a vehicle with half the capability. It would be a better EV than anyone on the list has now!. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/ab8c8899/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.
The Stella "running system" (lights and such not propulsion) uses 50 watts. The Stella propulsion system consumes 35wh per km. Pretty good. This could possibly be done with 4 high efficiency hub motors. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140928/8b2d771a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Terra Motors' electric 3-wheelers enter Sri Lankan market
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Japanese EV maker Terra Motors enters Sri Lankan market
by Autocar Pro News Desk Sep 25, 2014
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Terra Motors Corporation, Japan’s leading electric two- and three-wheeler
developer and manufacturer, has entered into an exclusive partnership with
Sri Lanka’s Brown & Company PLC. The Sri Lankan company is one of the
country’s oldest diversified conglomerates, currently operating in seven key
industry sectors. It has 35 showrooms and 200 dealers in Sri Lanka.
Toru Tokushige, CEO of Terra Motors, said, “There are lots of advantages to
use electric vehicles in Sri Lanka, which is an eco-friendly and
tourism-oriented island country. We would like to contribute to create a
sustainable society in Sri Lanka, by promoting hi-quality electric vehicles
with the excellent partner, Browns.”
“Through this partnership, we will not only introduce a cost-effective mode
of transport into the industry, but also a pollution-free vehicle. We are
quite excited to work together with Terra Motors on this initiative, and
look forward to the launch,” said the CEO of Brown & Company PLC.
Autocar Professional had earlier reported that Terra Motors plans to
introduce an electric three-wheeler in the Indian market around October this
year. It is believed the company will undertake contract manufacturing for
the product with a Rajkot-based manufacturer.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Ogilvie Fleet timidly takes delivery of 2 Tesla-S EVs
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2014/9/22/ogilvie-takes-delivery-of-tesla-model-s/53581/ Ogilvie takes delivery of Tesla Model S 22/09/2014 Ogilvie Fleet has taken delivery of two Tesla Model S pure electric cars and installed recharging points at its headquarters. The two cars are being driven by Ogilvie Fleet directors and employees and are being loaned to customers to increase their knowledge of electric vehicles as company cars. The independent vehicle leasing and fleet management company, which has more than 11,000 company cars and vans on its books, has installed three electric vehicle recharging points at its Stirling headquarters. Additionally, it is installing recharging points at employees’ homes. Ogilvie Fleet sales and marketing director Nick Hardy said: “The electric vehicle market is in its infancy, but we are confident that zero emission models will have a role to play within the operating profile of some fleets. “It is therefore important that as a leasing company we have practical day-to-day experience of electric cars and can share our evaluation with customers and their company car drivers as well as enabling them to put the models through their paces.” Ogilvie Fleet has yet to lease any pure electric vehicles to clients - although its fleet is rapidly growing with plug-in hybrid electric petrol and diesel models - but Hardy said interest in the Tesla models was massive. He explained: “They are the most sought after cars we have made available on our demonstration fleet for many years. Additionally, when the cars are parked at our offices people are walking in off the street asking for information about them. The Teslas are receiving a lot of attention.” He added: “While the market for plug-in hybrids is growing - some of our own staff are selecting them as their company cars - the pure electric vehicle market has yet to take off and, we believe, will remain niche at least from a company car perspective until list prices fall, the practicality of the models increases and the recharging infrastructure expands. “Nevertheless, we definitely plan to add more electric vehicles to our own demonstration fleet in the future because we believe that the manufacturers and the recharging companies will get to grips with those issues and pure electric vehicles will become more acceptable. Therefore, it is vital that as a vehicle supplier we have first-hand product knowledge.” Critically, said Ogilvie Fleet managing director Gordon Stephen, who has regularly driven one of the Tesla models clocking up more than 4,500 miles, maximising the efficiency and range of the electric car was a learning experience. He explained: “Driving at 70mph, for example, uses significantly more charge than driving at 50mph so it is important to know the length of your journey, where recharging points are prior to setting off and modify driving style to conserve charge if necessary.” Nevertheless, he said that he was able to clock up around 230 miles from a single charge - the car has a claimed New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) range on a single charge of 312 miles - thereby mitigating perceived electric vehicle range anxiety as highlighted by many drivers in other zero emission models. Stephen said: “With other electric vehicles limited range at less than 100 miles is an issue, but if Tesla can overcome the problem then I’m sure other motor manufacturers can. [© 2014 Bauer Automotive] http://www.businesscarmanager.co.uk/tesla-model-s-put-fleet-duty/ Tesla Model S put on fleet duty Matt Morton | 22 September 201 [image http://www.businesscarmanager.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/108_Ogilvie-Fleet-operations-director-Jim-Hannah-with-the-electric-Tesla-Model-5-cars-1.jpg Ogilvie Fleet operations director Jim Hannah: the leasing company has put two electric Tesla Model S cars on fleet demonstration duty ] THE all-electric performance car, the Tesla Model S, is being put on fleet demo duty. The fastest upmarket five-door hatchback model can accelerate to 62mph in just 4.4 seconds, has zero % benefit in kind company car tax for 2014/15, and costs virtually nothing to run thanks to low cost electric recharging. No wonder it’s got appeal for company car fleets. Which is exactly what Ogilvie Fleet thinks: the leasing company has taken delivery of two Tesla Model S cars and installed recharging points at its Stirling headquarters. The two Tesla Model S cars are being driven by Ogilvie Fleet staff and loaned to customers to increase understanding of how electric vehicles could work as company cars. Sales and marketing director Nick Hardy explained why Ogilvie Fleet had taken on the two electric Tesla Model S cars: “The electric vehicle market is in its infancy, but we are confident that zero emission models will have a role to play within the operating profile of some fleets. “It is therefore important that as a leasing company we have practical day-to-day experience of electric cars and can share our e
[EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair & drive! (video)
'I am blacklisted by Tesla all across the country' *** Buyer beware - Caveat emptor *** % Tesla running 'GM-liability-scared' > a petty-parts case of the 'Sue Me, Sue You Blues' > The media stink caused Tesla react *** Otmar was Tesla-tortured before this % http://gas2.org/2014/09/27/tesla-wont-activate-mans-salvaged-model-s/ Tesla Won’t Activate Man’s Salvaged Model S [2014/09/27] [image http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/salvage-tesla.png salvage-tesla video flash ] Starting at $70,000, the Tesla Model S costs more than twice what Americans spend on the average new car, meaning most people that plain old can’t afford it. This has led some people to take desperate measures, such as repairing a salvage titled Model S, though a San Diego man is learning the hard way that it isn’t quite that easy. San Diego 6 News reported the plight of Peter Rutman, who spent $50,000 on a damaged Tesla Model S, and then invested another $8,000 into repair it. But when Rutman contacted Tesla about reactivating the car’s complicated software, he says the company wanted him to sign liability waiver that allows the automaker to ultimately determine the car’s roadworthiness. Rutman says the document didn’t say anything about fixing or repairing the car to accept a charge, and that it would allow Tesla to confiscate the vehicle if they felt it wasn’t safe. Rutman refused to sign, and as such says he’s been blacklisted by Tesla stores nationwide, meaning he can’t get parts of technical assistance. For its part, Tesla has serious safety concerns regarding the salvaged electric vehicle, but nothing in the inspection authorization form they wanted Rutman to sign would have let them take his car away. Tesla also says Rutman had his vehicle repaired by a non-authorized Tesla installer, and while he isn’t blacklisted, the company doesn’t sell certain parts that require special training to install to just anyone. Compare that to traditional automakers, which will sell you literally every piece you need to build a car, except in the case of specialty vehicles such as the Camaro Z/28. Rutman isn’t the only one to run afoul of Tesla’s parts counter and technical service though; a recent attempt to build a Tesla-powered stretched-wheelbase Volkswagen Westfalia (the “Stretchla”) has run into issues with Tesla as well. Because Tesla owns all its own stores and service centers, there’s no outside network for people who want to fix or re-engineer Model S components for their own purposes. Rutman has decided to try and sue the salvage auction that sold him the Model S, since California state law says if a car can’t be made roadworthy, it must be scrapped. The takeaway here? For those car modifiers who want to use a Tesla drivetrain for an EV conversion of their own, buyer beware. Rutman found out the hard way that the rules that apply to conventional cars don’t always apply to EVs, and especially not Teslas. Also I’d like to note, for the $58,000 Rutman spent, he was just $2,000 shy of what a base 60 kWh Model S would have cost, once Federal ($7,500) and state ($2,500) tax credits were factored in. As the old saying goes, penny wise, pound foolish. [© gas2.org] http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/San-Diego-mans-58000-nightmare-with-a-Tesla-Model-S-277017201.html San Diego man's $58,000 nightmare with Tesla Model S By Derek Staahl Sep 24, 2014 SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego man bought a high-end Tesla at auction for nearly half price, but now he can't get the company to activate the car. Peter Rutman purchased the 2012 Model S Signature at auction in March for $50,000 then spent another $8,000 fixing it. He says repairing the car has been easy; dealing with Tesla has been the challenge. "I'm blacklisted all across the country," he said. "Nobody's allowed to help us. They're not allowed to sell us parts. They're not allowed to service the car. Nothing." Rutman's Model S is a salvage title car, meaning an insurance company determined the vehicle was a total loss. Salvage titles are a notoriously risky proposition, but Rutman's case appears to illustrate something unusual: no alternatives. "Tesla has created a situation where there is nowhere to go. They've blocked every avenue," he said. Unlike other automakers, Tesla has a direct-sales model. That means car buyers must deal directly with the company, not independent dealers. And in the case of a dispute, the buyer has virtually no alternatives, according to industry experts. Rutman says he needs a Tesla-certified mechanic to switch on the car's brain so it will accept a charge. But Tesla won't do it unless he signs a liability release form. The form also gives Tesla the final say on whether the car is roadworthy. "The document they wanted me to sign didn't indicate they were going to do any repairs to the car, or get it up and running," he said. "They can take the car. They can keep it. They can do whatever they want with it." A spokesperson for Tesla responded to
