This is a no brainer. The value of the "Tesla" brand is extremely high. The negative value and media feeding frenzie of a hacker-induced fire, crash, or ANYTHING that would spoil the brand name is simply not worth the risk. I don't blame Tesla.
If the guy wants to hack a tesla, then simply sign the form. Done. Bob On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 5:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > 'I am blacklisted by Tesla all across the country' > *** Buyer beware - Caveat emptor *** > % Tesla running 'GM-liability-scared' > a petty-parts case of the > 'Sue Me, Sue You Blues' > The media stink caused Tesla react > *** Otmar was Tesla-tortured before this % > > http://gas2.org/2014/09/27/tesla-wont-activate-mans-salvaged-model-s/ > Tesla Won’t Activate Man’s Salvaged Model S > [2014/09/27] > > [image > http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/salvage-tesla.png > salvage-tesla > > > video flash > ] > > Starting at $70,000, the Tesla Model S costs more than twice what Americans > spend on the average new car, meaning most people that plain old can’t > afford it. This has led some people to take desperate measures, such as > repairing a salvage titled Model S, though a San Diego man is learning the > hard way that it isn’t quite that easy. > > San Diego 6 News reported the plight of Peter Rutman, who spent $50,000 on > a > damaged Tesla Model S, and then invested another $8,000 into repair it. But > when Rutman contacted Tesla about reactivating the car’s complicated > software, he says the company wanted him to sign liability waiver that > allows the automaker to ultimately determine the car’s roadworthiness. > Rutman says the document didn’t say anything about fixing or repairing the > car to accept a charge, and that it would allow Tesla to confiscate the > vehicle if they felt it wasn’t safe. Rutman refused to sign, and as such > says he’s been blacklisted by Tesla stores nationwide, meaning he can’t get > parts of technical assistance. > > For its part, Tesla has serious safety concerns regarding the salvaged > electric vehicle, but nothing in the inspection authorization form they > wanted Rutman to sign would have let them take his car away. Tesla also > says > Rutman had his vehicle repaired by a non-authorized Tesla installer, and > while he isn’t blacklisted, the company doesn’t sell certain parts that > require special training to install to just anyone. Compare that to > traditional automakers, which will sell you literally every piece you need > to build a car, except in the case of specialty vehicles such as the Camaro > Z/28. > > Rutman isn’t the only one to run afoul of Tesla’s parts counter and > technical service though; a recent attempt to build a Tesla-powered > stretched-wheelbase Volkswagen Westfalia (the “Stretchla”) has run into > issues with Tesla as well. Because Tesla owns all its own stores and > service > centers, there’s no outside network for people who want to fix or > re-engineer Model S components for their own purposes. Rutman has decided > to > try and sue the salvage auction that sold him the Model S, since California > state law says if a car can’t be made roadworthy, it must be scrapped. > > The takeaway here? For those car modifiers who want to use a Tesla > drivetrain for an EV conversion of their own, buyer beware. Rutman found > out > the hard way that the rules that apply to conventional cars don’t always > apply to EVs, and especially not Teslas. Also I’d like to note, for the > $58,000 Rutman spent, he was just $2,000 shy of what a base 60 kWh Model S > would have cost, once Federal ($7,500) and state ($2,500) tax credits were > factored in. > > As the old saying goes, penny wise, pound foolish. > [© gas2.org] > > > > > http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/San-Diego-mans-58000-nightmare-with-a-Tesla-Model-S-277017201.html > San Diego man's $58,000 nightmare with Tesla Model S > By Derek Staahl Sep 24, 2014 > > SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego man bought a high-end Tesla at auction for nearly > half price, but now he can't get the company to activate the car. > > Peter Rutman purchased the 2012 Model S Signature at auction in March for > $50,000 then spent another $8,000 fixing it. > > He says repairing the car has been easy; dealing with Tesla has been the > challenge. > > "I'm blacklisted all across the country," he said. "Nobody's allowed to > help > us. They're not allowed to sell us parts. They're not allowed to service > the > car. Nothing." > > Rutman's Model S is a salvage title car, meaning an insurance company > determined the vehicle was a total loss. Salvage titles are a notoriously > risky proposition, but Rutman's case appears to illustrate something > unusual: no alternatives. > > "Tesla has created a situation where there is nowhere to go. They've > blocked > every avenue," he said. > > Unlike other automakers, Tesla has a direct-sales model. That means car > buyers must deal directly with the company, not independent dealers. And in > the case of a dispute, the buyer has virtually no alternatives, according > to > industry experts. > > Rutman says he needs a Tesla-certified mechanic to switch on the car's > brain > so it will accept a charge. But Tesla won't do it unless he signs a > liability release form. The form also gives Tesla the final say on whether > the car is roadworthy. > > "The document they wanted me to sign didn't indicate they were going to do > any repairs to the car, or get it up and running," he said. "They can take > the car. They can keep it. They can do whatever they want with it." > > A spokesperson for Tesla responded to those assertions Thursday in a > written > statement, which is copied below in its entirety. > > "It's probably something the state regulations haven't caught up on yet. > But > he shouldn't have bought it to begin with unless he had the technical > know-how himself," said Dave Cavano, car buying manager at the Auto Club of > Southern California. > > Cavano says it's important to remember why companies are careful with the > liability surrounding salvage title vehicles. > > "Those (cars) are a danger to everyone if they don't act mechanically as > designed." > > Rutman says he never would have purchased the car if he knew about Tesla's > terms in advance. > > Now he's trying to challenge the insurance company who sold the car under > the salvage title designation by arguing it's not repairable. Under DMV > rules, cars that can only be used for scrap should be sold with an > "nonrepairable vehicle" title. So far, it hasn't worked. > > "I want my money back. Just walk away from this and get back to my life," > he > said. > > Simon Sproule, vice president of communications for Tesla, issued the > following statement to San Diego 6 on Thursday: > > "Safety is Tesla’s top priority and it is a principle on which we refuse to > compromise under any circumstance. Mr. Rutman purchased a vehicle on the > salvage market that had been substantially damaged in a serious accident. > We > have strong concerns about this car being safe for the road, but we have > been prevented from inspecting the vehicle because Mr. Rutman refused to > sign an inspection authorization form. That form clearly states that in > order for us to support the vehicle on an ongoing basis, we need to ensure > the repairs meet minimum safety standards. > > Regardless of whether or not the car passed inspection, Mr. Rutman would > have been free to decide where to conduct any additional repairs and to > leave with his vehicle. There was never any threat to take away his vehicle > at the inspection or any time thereafter and there is nothing in the > authorization form that states or implies that we would do so. > > Additionally, Mr. Rutman opted to have his vehicle repaired by a non-Tesla > affiliated facility. We work with a network of authorized independent > repair > facilities to ensure our safety standards are met. It is also worth noting > that Mr. Rutman is not on any “blacklist” for purchasing Tesla parts. While > we do sell certain parts over the counter, we do not sell any parts that > require specific training to install. This is a policy that is common among > automakers and it is in place to protect customers from the risk of repairs > not meeting our safety standards." > > Sproule told San Diego 6 that Rutman is still welcome to have his vehicle > inspected at a Tesla-certified facility, and the company will waive the > inspection fee. But Rutman would still need to sign the liability release > form in advance. > [© 2013 Bay City Television] > > > > http://investorplace.com/2014/09/tsla-tesla-tesla-model-s-auction/ > Auction Pain: Why TSLA Won’t ‘Turn On’ Man’s Tesla Model S > The Model S is a salvage vehicle > Sep 25, 2014 | By William White > > A man from San Diego is very frustrated with Tesla Motors. > > Rutman claims that Tesla wants him to sign a document that would allow the > company to take the car away from him. The company claims that it’s a > liability document. The man’s situation is unique as he has no alternative > but to work directly with the company to get the car running, San Diego 6 > notes. > > The Tesla Model S software was recently updated to give it several new > features. This includes being able to remote start the car with a > smartphone > and give it an official nickname, but none of these options will help > Rutman > if he can’t even get the car turned on. > [©2014 InvestorPlace Media] > > > > http://www.teslarati.com/think-twice-buying-salvaged-tesla-model-s/ > Think Twice Before Buying a Salvaged Tesla Model S > By Gene Sep 26, 2014 San Diego 6 > > [image > > http://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Salvage-Title-Tesla-Model-S.jpg > Peter Rutman of San Diego thought he landed a bargain when he purchased a > salvaged 2012 Tesla Model S Signature for $50,000 at auction, but what he > didn’t realize was that his efforts to put the car back on the road would > present more hurdles than just repairing a simple $8,000 worth of parts. > ] > > The top of the line and limited-edition Signature series Model S was > offered > as a preorder for early adopters of the premium all-electric sedan. At > nearly $120,000 when fully loaded the Model S comes in at nearly twice the > price of other luxury sedans on the market thus adding a significant > barrier > of entry for many. Unless of course you can pick one up for less than half > the original price? > > Rutman saw an opportunity to get into the seat of a Model S at a deep > discount by purchasing one with a salvaged title through an auction. He > claims that repairing the vehicle into a visible working state was easy and > came with a relatively low repair cost at only $8,000. However having Tesla > Motors maker of the Model S activate the car’s onboard computer and > allowing > it to drive came with a whole different set of challenges – something that > he’s been reluctant to address. > > Rutman tells San Diego 6, > > “The document they (Tesla Motors) wanted me to sign didn’t indicate they > were going to do any repairs to the car, or get it up and running … They > can > take the car. They can keep it. They can do whatever they want with it.” > > To provide further context, Tesla Motors is asking Rutman to sign a form > that would authorize them to ensure the safety of the vehicle before > allowing it to be placed back on public streets. We think there’s good > cause > behind this for many obvious reasons especially considering the vehicle was > given a salvage title by an insurance company ... > > Simon Sproule, VP of Communications for Tesla Motors responds to the San > Diego 6 story: > > “Safety is Tesla’s top priority and it is a principle on which we refuse > to > compromise under any circumstance. Mr. Rutman purchased a vehicle on the > salvage market that had been substantially damaged in a serious accident. > We > have strong concerns about this car being safe for the road, but we have > been prevented from inspecting the vehicle because Mr. Rutman refused to > sign an inspection authorization form. That form clearly states that in > order for us to support the vehicle on an ongoing basis, we need to ensure > the repairs meet minimum safety standards. Regardless of whether or not the > car passed inspection, Mr. Rutman would have been free to decide where to > conduct any additional repairs and to leave with his vehicle. There was > never any threat to take away his vehicle at the inspection or any time > thereafter and there is nothing in the authorization form that states or > implies that we would do so. Additionally, Mr. Rutman opted to have his > vehicle repaired by a non-Tesla affiliated facility. We work with a network > of authorized independent repair facilities to ensure our safety standards > are met. It is also worth noting that Mr. Rutman is not on any “blacklist” > for purchasing Tesla parts. While we do sell certain parts over the > counter, > we do not sell any parts that require specific training to install. This is > a policy that is common among automakers and it is in place to protect > customers from the risk of repairs not meeting our safety standards.” > [© teslarati.com] > > > > > http://www.autospies.com/news/WHO-Is-In-The-Wrong-Tesla-vs-Owner-Of-Car-From-Auction-We-GUARANTEE-Tesla-Won-t-Mention-This-When-IT-Talks-About-Its-Direct-Sales-Model-82911/ > WHO Is In The Wrong? Tesla vs. Owner Of Car From Auction? We GUARANTEE > Tesla > Won't Mention This When IT Talks About Its Direct Sales Model > Agent00R 9/27/2014 > ... > > http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/tesla-motors-inc-model-s-bought-at-auction-causes-trouble/ > Tesla Motors Inc Model S Bought At Auction Causes Trouble > by Aman Jain > ... > > http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/36214-San-Diego-Man-s-58-000-Nightmare-with-a-%28Salvage-Title%29-Tesla-Model-S > San Diego Man's $58,000 Nightmare with a (Salvage Title) Tesla Model S > 2014-09-24 > ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor > Caveat emptor > ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Me,_Sue_You_Blues > Sue Me, Sue You Blues > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXZPztcGaY > ... > > http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/Tesla-responds-to-story-San-Diego-mans-car-problems-277180601.html > Tesla responds to story about San Diego man's car problems > Sep 26, 2014 > > Tesla says it will inspect the man's car free of charge, but he still must > sign a liability release. > [© 2013 Bay City Television] > ... > http://cafeelectric.com/stretchla/ > Otmar's salvaged Tesla EV woes not resolved ... > Parked Wreckla, Pariah at Pasture > Petty Problems Purchasing Parts ... > > > > > For EVLN posts use: > > http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble+template%2FNamlServlet.jtp%3Fmacro%3Dsearch_page%26node%3D413529%26query%3Devln%26sort%3Ddate > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EValert-Don-t-buy-a-salvaged-Tesla-EV-to-repair-drive-video-tp4671831.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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