Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 18 wing-motor NASA electric aircraft concept r:200mi
Hi Peter and All, While interesting it has a fatal flaw as small props are far less eff than say 6 larger ones in thrust/kw. Large props and low rpms is the key to range. In an EV such large unneeded losses just don't fly as kills range, increases weight/battery/cost. Next the effect on the wing would be far better done with blown lift from wing slots, etc giving a smooth, more powerful effect on lift, control on much less power. Same with all the drones now where 2 counter rotating blades on the same shaft of the vehicle dia would over double it's range or lift/kw, kwhr of battery. So yes it is wacky. KIS, Jerry Dycus From: Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 18 wing-motor NASA electric aircraft concept r:200mi On 3/22/15 9:42 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: brucedp5 via EV wrote: http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/17/nasa-testing-electric-aircraft-wacky-design-concept/ NASA testing an all electric aircraft with wacky design concept Why does the author feel the need to put wacky in the title? The wing in question looks very normal, and the range of 200 miles in fact quite reasonable for an early test model. Because it is different, and that scares him. Seriously, though, this is a very smart idea. You can pitch the props different for the different parts of the wing, you can even have some of the motors turn off entirely and have the prop feather away. Being able to use different power levels means the wings will be MUCH more difficult to stall. This idea has been thoroughly discussed on some of the airplane forums I read, and the consensus is that if they can work out the power problem (same problem we face with EVs), then this will work out really well. Cheers, Peter ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/fb51b09d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
From what I have read, Japan raises the taxes on older vehicles to the point that it isn't economic to keep them beyond a certain point. This is also the reason that used JDM (Japanese domestic market) engines find their way to the U.S. I recall seeing a RHD Subaru wagon used as a rural carrier's vehicle a few years back. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2015, at 17:46, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 03/22/2015 11:31 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? Here in central Texas, most or perhaps all carriers use their own cars. I think all have converted to right drive. One friend has a wife that is a carrier; I've offered to lend them an EV to try. Route is about 50 miles. She had been using a surplus USPS Jeep. She recently acquired a used Cherokee that had it's origin in Japan. Apparently Japan outlaws vehicles before they become well used; many seem to be parted out and/or exported. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Plug'n Pals iPhone App for EV Owners
Yes, it will. Bruce On Mar 22, 2015, at 5:47 AM, Martin WINLOW m...@winlow.co.uk wrote: Would this work outside of the US? MW On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:57, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: We all know about the apps you use to find charging stations and this is not one. I've just written an iPhone app to help EV owners communicate with other EV owners at a charging site. With this app, you can discuss sharing the plugs or parking spaces even though you've never met the other people involved. To use participate at a site, you use your iPhone to scan the big QR code on a sign that is posted at the site. The Plug’n Pals app adds that site to your list and you can see and post messages to other people who are following that site's messages. To create a new site, you tap the + button and give it a name. You can then print out a sign, post it at the site, and get things started. http://alwaysthinking.com/comingSoonToAppStore.html All constructive feedback is welcome. If you want to test the Plug’n Pals app, please send me a message off-list and I'll add you to the testers pool. There is no charge for accounts and no cost during testing. If I charge anything, it will be nominal and probably not even enough to pay for the server. This is not a profit-based undertaking. I'm doing this because I believe electric cars are a fundamental part of making our world a better place. Bruce Lawton ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Might be an idea to talk with some of these carriers to determine the range needed for the rural routes. I suspect that many of them travel less than 50 miles per day, which would make a Leaf the perfect vehicle (Bonus point: As I understand it, it can be ordered with right hand drive, as it is classified as a world car) -Tom On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Thos True evpa...@gmail.com wrote: In the rural areas of western Washington that I grew up in, it was not uncommon to see the mail delivery being done with a personal vehicle. The carrier was paid a vehicle stipend, so the more fuel efficient the vehicle, the better for them. I remember more than one using a VW bug back in the 70's. -Tom On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, K O via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO I don't shop where I can't charge. Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:04:00 -0600 From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucksbe Electric? Message-ID: 550b39c0.1090...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150321/e6ff8b4c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/35e8e723/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?
On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:37 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Lawrence Rhodes via EVev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is a report about the program. The average daily use was 10 miles perfect for Lead EV's charged every day. Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: This seems to confirm the thing that I've heard for years - it's not economical because they go so few miles. Actually, it appears that the vehicles *were* more reliable, and considerably less expensive to operate than their ICE counterparts. That despite all the problems with a limited production experimental vehicle. No doubt operating costs are cheaper. It's the up front capital cost. Lots of miles needed to spread that cost. Also, despite the enormous price quoted for the lead-acid battery (up to $14,000). I wonder what Ford did to come up with that expensive a battery? You can also see the back pedaling by Ford to get out of their EV commitments once the CA ZEV program was rolled back. From what I heard in some cases employees would simply drive the vehicle till it wouldn't go another inch and ask for a tow... That appeared in earlier trials. The employees didn't like the vehicles, and so went out of their way to make them fail... with everything from passive resistance (forgetting to plug it in) to outright abuse and sabotage. But this trial seems to have gone pretty well, without evidence of that sort of abuse. There are some oddities in the data, though. Like some stations that had essentially no problems, and others with massive numbers of problems despite very similar numbers of miles being driven. It's the most recent trial result I've seen, so maybe these vehicles were a lot better developed and matched to the employees likes and dislikes. They were built by Ford and Grumman, who have a lot of experience in getting the various fit and finish details right, so they wouldn't have seemed so alien to the postal workers. Nevertheless, there were lots of problems with things that had little to do with it being an EV. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Plug'n Pals iPhone App for EV Owners
Would this work outside of the US? MW On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:57, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: We all know about the apps you use to find charging stations and this is not one. I've just written an iPhone app to help EV owners communicate with other EV owners at a charging site. With this app, you can discuss sharing the plugs or parking spaces even though you've never met the other people involved. To use participate at a site, you use your iPhone to scan the big QR code on a sign that is posted at the site. The Plug’n Pals app adds that site to your list and you can see and post messages to other people who are following that site's messages. To create a new site, you tap the + button and give it a name. You can then print out a sign, post it at the site, and get things started. http://alwaysthinking.com/comingSoonToAppStore.html All constructive feedback is welcome. If you want to test the Plug’n Pals app, please send me a message off-list and I'll add you to the testers pool. There is no charge for accounts and no cost during testing. If I charge anything, it will be nominal and probably not even enough to pay for the server. This is not a profit-based undertaking. I'm doing this because I believe electric cars are a fundamental part of making our world a better place. Bruce Lawton ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
In the rural areas of western Washington that I grew up in, it was not uncommon to see the mail delivery being done with a personal vehicle. The carrier was paid a vehicle stipend, so the more fuel efficient the vehicle, the better for them. I remember more than one using a VW bug back in the 70's. -Tom On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, K O via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO I don't shop where I can't charge. Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:04:00 -0600 From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucksbe Electric? Message-ID: 550b39c0.1090...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150321/e6ff8b4c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/c6ce418c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
On Sun Mar 22 09:31:52 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? All ours switched from personal cars to postal jeeps last year. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Virgin Billionaire Branson hints/has-no-plans 2compete w/ Tesla
'There's nothing at all concrete about his statements' http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/electric-cars-richard-branson-could-take-challenge-to-tesla-032115 Richard Branson hints at Virgin electric car March 19, 2015 [image http://a1.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/MOTORS/images/2015/03/21/032115_motor_branson.vadapt.620.high.0.jpg Adam Warner / LAT Photographic Sir Richard Branson and the Miami Dolphin cheerleaders seen at the Miami ePrix on March 14. ] Richard Branson could be racing toward a showdown with Elon Musk. At the past weekend’s Formula E electric car grand prix in Miami, the Virgin brand’s founder was asked by Bloomberg News where he was going with his participation in the series. We have teams of people working on electric cars, Branson answered. So you never know—you may find Virgin competing with the Tesla in the car business as we do in the space business. We will see what happens. Branson was referring to his Virgin Galactic space tourism project, which suffered a setback last October when its SpaceShip Two suborbital aircraft crashed in the Mojave Desert during a test flight, claiming the life of one of the pilots on board and delaying the launch of customer rides indefinitely. Musk’s SpaceX builds rockets and cargo capsules for hire by government agencies and commercial customers, but also plans to expand to space tourism. As for cars, teams in the Formula E championship currently use a spec, F1-style open wheel vehicle built through a partnership between Dallara, McLaren, and Williams Engineering with help from Renault, but over the coming years teams will be allowed to design and use their own electric motors and battery packs. The Virgin Racing website proclaims that the reason it is competing in the series is to “accelerate the pace of development so that electric cars rapidly catch up with their petrol counterparts and replace them on the road.” Currently, Formula E drivers have to switch cars in the middle of races, which last for about an hour each, because batteries with a capacity to go the full distance would be too large and heavy. Halfway through the 2014-2015 season, Virgin Racing is third in the standings. [© foxsports.com] ... http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/03/19/richard-branson-hints-at-virgin-electric-car/ http://www.gtspirit.com/2015/03/21/richard-branson-confirms-virgin-is-developing-electric-cars/ Richard Branson Confirms Virgin is Developing Electric Cars March 21, 2015 by Brad Anderson [image http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/e_racing_car.jpg ] Richard Branson has just revealed that Virgin is currently in the midst of working on a selection of electric cars to potentially rival the offerings of Tesla. While speaking with Bloomberg at the recent Miami round of the FIA Formula E championship, Branson said “We have teams of people working on electric cars. So you never know — you may find Virgin competing with the Tesla in the car business as we do in the space business. We will see what happens.” Branson and Virgin have managed to gain significant amounts of experience with electric cars as they compete in the Formula E championship which of course uses all-electric open-wheeled racers. Of course, making the leap to road cars is quite significant and it would see Virgin facing some stiff competition. Not only does Tesla offer two electric cars, the Model S and the Roadster, it will also introduce the model X SUV and the more affordable Model 3 sedan in the coming years. Beyond Tesla of course, most of the world’s large automakers already offer or are developing electric vehicles. [© gtspirit.com] http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/19/virgin-electric-cars-to-rival-tesla/ Richard Branson hints at Virgin electric cars to rival Tesla by Chris Velazco | March 19th 2015 [image http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/5aa8be537cdd754d68e5bb0cb2254803/201715216/virginformulae.jpg ] The Virgin giganto-brand already encompasses a media empire, a few airlines, wireless phone service, some hotels and an honest-to-goodness space program -- why wouldn't it churn out some electric cars for us, too? CEO Richard Branson hinted as much during a chat with Bloomberg, noting that Virgin's already got a team plugging away on high-speed electric car that'll participate in the Formula E racing circuit, but here's the bit that everyone's seized on: We have teams of people working on electric cars, Branson said. So you never know-you may find Virgin competing with the Tesla in the car business as we do in the space business. We will see what happens. To be absolutely clear, there's nothing at all concrete about his statements. Lots of things might happen. What's indisputable, though, is Branson's general distaste for more conventional, petrol-guzzling cars. The past few years have seem him tooling around in a Saab 9-5 BioPower station wagon, and he reiterated just today that he hopes 10 years from now the smell of exhausts from
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 18 wing-motor NASA electric aircraft concept r:200mi
On 3/22/15 9:42 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: brucedp5 via EV wrote: http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/17/nasa-testing-electric-aircraft-wacky-design-concept/ NASA testing an all electric aircraft with wacky design concept Why does the author feel the need to put wacky in the title? The wing in question looks very normal, and the range of 200 miles in fact quite reasonable for an early test model. Because it is different, and that scares him. Seriously, though, this is a very smart idea. You can pitch the props different for the different parts of the wing, you can even have some of the motors turn off entirely and have the prop feather away. Being able to use different power levels means the wings will be MUCH more difficult to stall. This idea has been thoroughly discussed on some of the airplane forums I read, and the consensus is that if they can work out the power problem (same problem we face with EVs), then this will work out really well. Cheers, Peter ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks beElectric?
USPS home delivery delivers far more material in a smaller area than a soda and chip truck, Every home versus every store. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: According to a presentation that I saw UPS give about a week ago, they have a number of EVs out there, though they have had some issues. Not surprising. Most are new vehicles, from new manufacturers. Lots of bugs to work out, often having nothing to do with it being electric (brakes, suspension, steering, body work, etc.) Certainly possible, though not mentioned. Range was an issue. The usual ICE delivery vehicle manufacturers never want to build EV versions, so USPS, UPS, Fedex, etc. get them from new (and inexperienced) suppliers. Don't forget Pepsi/Frito-Lay. They have the biggest fleet. They have 280 EVs. Cost and range are issues. Subsidies are still important to them for new tech. I attended a rollout of a number of EV trucks they put into their fleet. This is important to us in California. One reason why the Governor attended. But their fleet is converting mainly to CNG...40% after this year...a good thing, too. In small towns, they find that their demand for electricity exceeds that of the entire town! So, for example, in San Bernardino County in California, they had to build their own infrastructure. That can't be because they are EVs. I'll bet it's simply because UPS (or whoever) put a big distribution center in the middle of nowhere, and had to pay to route in the usual power and other utilities that any factory or business needs. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/703ddf4a/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Perhaps they should try doing their round in reverse! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:31, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 18 wing-motor NASA electric aircraft concept r:200mi
brucedp5 via EV wrote: http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/17/nasa-testing-electric-aircraft-wacky-design-concept/ NASA testing an all electric aircraft with wacky design concept Why does the author feel the need to put wacky in the title? The wing in question looks very normal, and the range of 200 miles in fact quite reasonable for an early test model. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
The FB link shows it is our Martin... Website * http://www.winlow.co.uk http://www.winlow.co.uk/ * http://www.evalbum.com/2092 http://www.evalbum.com/2092 On 3/22/2015 11:19 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: OT, please forgive me. How many Martin Winlow's be there? I just saw a posting on spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow. It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on the interweb. http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/21/spacex-swaps-order-of-next-two-falcon-9-launches/ Mike On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/ec332cbe/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Enterprise's e-NV200 electric shuttle in Madrid.es
http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/Mar/Enterprise-deploys-electric-shuttle-in-Madrid/0438018929
Enterprise deploys electric shuttle in Madrid
16 Mar 2015 by Alex Grant
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Enterprise Rent-A-Car has added a Nissan e-NV200 electric MPV to its
Madrid-based fleet, where it will shuttle customers from its office in
Atocha to the vehicle collection point.
The company said its latest addition, a five-seat Evalia sold as the Combi
in the UK, would offer the benefits of zero tailpipe emissions for urban
use, as well as reducing maintenance costs by 40% and fuel costs by up to
four times compared to an equivalent diesel-powered vehicle.
Karsten Summers, Enterprise Rent-A-Car’s director general for Spain, said:
The Nissan e-NV200 we will benefit not only a smooth and quiet ride, but we
can also experience the saving costs of electric, zero-emission technology.
Elder Francisco, director of business sales and light commercials Nissan
Iberia, added: It is especially important that those groups who work in
transport, lead the implementation of this technology. Acquiring the
e-NV200, Enterprise Rent-A -Car not only increases its environmental
commitment but also positions itself as an innovative reference group.”
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Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 18 wing-motor NASA electric aircraft concept r:200mi
http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/17/nasa-testing-electric-aircraft-wacky-design-concept/ NASA testing an all electric aircraft with wacky design concept 17/03/2015 By David Curry [image http://files.itproportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/nasa-leaptech.jpg (eplane) ] NASA space budget might have been cut down in the past few years, but on Earth it is still working on some wacky projects, including a fully electric aircraft. Named the LEAPTech wing, it is part of a joint operation between NASA, Joby Aviation and ESAero to build a replacement to the gas chugging airplanes. Joby Aviation is the main organisation working on the design of the LEAPTech wing, previously working on small aircraft using a new style of propellers for maximum efficiency in the air. The LEAPTech wing features 18 electric motors all independent of one another, allowing the pilot to command each individual motor for even more efficiency. These motors are powered by lithium ion phosphate batteries, with a range of 200 miles. NASA has tried the wing on several tests and will use the Tecnam P2006T aircraft with a customised LEAPTech wing to test for the first flights. There is still the issue of range, currently at 200 miles. NASA could use a hybrid system for intermission between gas and fully electric, featuring a range of 400 miles. Even with the hybrid engine, 400 miles is not enough to entice any commercial airline, considering most need enough fuel to travel more than one continent. That said, electric car range has been doubled in the last five years, meaning we should expect to see similar gains in the electric aircraft market once more companies start getting involved. Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk did say the only mode of transport that could not use electric motors would be rockets, and said he would consider working on an electric aircraft sometime in the near future. [© itproportal.com] http://www.pddnet.com/news/2015/03/nasa-demonstrates-electric-propulsion-tech NASA Demonstrates Electric Propulsion Tech 03/17/2015 by Peter Merlin, NASA Armstrong Flight Research Center [images http://www.pddnet.com/sites/pddnet.com/files/leaptech.jpg Technicians unload the LEAPTech experimental wing upon its arrival at NASA Armstrong Flight Research Center. Ground testing will begin after the wing is mounted on a specially modified truck. Image Credit: NASA Photo / Tom Tschida http://www.pddnet.com/sites/pddnet.com/files/heist%20truck.jpg Mounted on a specially modified truck he LEAPTech ground-test article, or Hybrid-Electric Integrated Systems Testbed, will be driven at speeds up to 70 miles per hour across a dry lakebed at Edwards Air Force Base. Last December, it underwent preliminary testing at Oceano, California. Image Credit: Joby Aviation ] The arrival of a unique experimental demonstrator at NASA Armstrong Flight Research Center on February 26 may herald a future in which many aircraft are powered by electric motors. The Leading Edge Asynchronous Propeller Technology (LEAPTech) project will test the premise that tighter propulsion-airframe integration, made possible with electric power, will deliver improved efficiency and safety, as well as environmental and economic benefits. Over the next several months, NASA researchers will perform ground testing of a 31-foot-span, carbon composite wing section with 18 electric motors powered by lithium iron phosphate batteries. The experimental wing, called the Hybrid-Electric Integrated Systems Testbed (HEIST), is mounted on a specially modified truck. Testing on the mobile ground rig assembly will provide valuable data and risk reduction applicable to future flight research. Instead of being installed in a wind tunnel, the HEIST wing section will remain attached to load cells on a supporting truss while the vehicle is driven at speeds up to 70 miles per hour across a dry lakebed at Edwards Air Force Base. Preliminary testing, up to 40 mph, took place in January at Oceano County Airport on California’s Central Coast. The LEAPTech project began in 2014 when researchers from NASA Langley Research Center and Armstrong partnered with two California companies, Empirical Systems Aerospace (ESAero) in Pismo Beach and Joby Aviation in Santa Cruz. ESAero is the prime contractor for HEIST responsible for system integration and instrumentation, while Joby is responsible for design and manufacture of the electric motors, propellers, and carbon fiber wing section. [image] Within a few years the NASA hopes to fly a piloted X-plane, replacing the wings and engines of a Tecnam P2006T with an improved version of the LEAPTech wing. Using an existing airframe will allow engineers to compare the performance of the flight demonstrator with that of the original P2006T. Image Credit: NASA Photo The truck experiment is a precursor to a development of a small X-plane demonstrator proposed under NASA’s Transformative Aeronautics Concepts program. Researchers hope to fly a piloted X-plane
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Do you have an iphone or something else i can do a live video link on ... If you fancy it?! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:57, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My mail carrier used to use her personal vehicle (a smoke puking thing I might add). But USPS added on package deliver in recent years as USPS is doing last mile work for UPS, and I think Amazon. She has been driving a multi-stop for some years now. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/a7ea8f9f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
OT, please forgive me. How many Martin Winlow's be there? I just saw a posting on spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow. It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on the interweb. http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/21/spacex-swaps-order-of-next-two-falcon-9-launches/ Mike On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/1045bae5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help
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On Mar 22, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: USPS home delivery delivers far more material in a smaller area than a soda and chip truck, Every home versus every store. Largest private fleet, bigger than the others mentioned. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 21, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: According to a presentation that I saw UPS give about a week ago, they have a number of EVs out there, though they have had some issues. Not surprising. Most are new vehicles, from new manufacturers. Lots of bugs to work out, often having nothing to do with it being electric (brakes, suspension, steering, body work, etc.) Certainly possible, though not mentioned. Range was an issue. The usual ICE delivery vehicle manufacturers never want to build EV versions, so USPS, UPS, Fedex, etc. get them from new (and inexperienced) suppliers. Don't forget Pepsi/Frito-Lay. They have the biggest fleet. They have 280 EVs. Cost and range are issues. Subsidies are still important to them for new tech. I attended a rollout of a number of EV trucks they put into their fleet. This is important to us in California. One reason why the Governor attended. But their fleet is converting mainly to CNG...40% after this year...a good thing, too. In small towns, they find that their demand for electricity exceeds that of the entire town! So, for example, in San Bernardino County in California, they had to build their own infrastructure. That can't be because they are EVs. I'll bet it's simply because UPS (or whoever) put a big distribution center in the middle of nowhere, and had to pay to route in the usual power and other utilities that any factory or business needs. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. Warren Buffet Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/13c9a7cd/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Oops! Wrongly addressed! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 17:00, Martin Winlow via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Do you have an iphone or something else i can do a live video link on ... If you fancy it?! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:57, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My mail carrier used to use her personal vehicle (a smoke puking thing I might add). But USPS added on package deliver in recent years as USPS is doing last mile work for UPS, and I think Amazon. She has been driving a multi-stop for some years now. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/a7ea8f9f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Jim Wolfe posted a response in this thread, but the server firewalled it because he apparently sent it as html only (Jim, please set your email to send either plain text or multipart html with plain text alternative, so I don't have to do this again; reformatting the message takes a significant amount of time). Here is the post. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? My daughter is a rural mail carrier that uses her own vehicle. (The right side of her vehicle shows how close she gets to mailboxes.) Her route(s) are out of Green Bay Wisconsin. The PO is 30+ miles from her home and I don't know the length of the routes, but even in the summertime range might be an issue as the route may not end up on her side of the PO. I believe the winters would kill the deal in her case, summers maybe... Her vehicle is also a FWD Durango, which is necessary for the snow covered and icy rural roads in the winter. Here in the Phoenix area it would seem to make good business sense to use electrics. In my area the mailboxes are about 100 ft apart. The mailman stops and turns off the truck, gets out to place the mail in the mailbox as there is a sidewalk and curb to traverse. I asked why he shuts off the truck for the 10 seconds that it takes to deliver the mail and he stated that it was required that he not leave the vehicle running when he's not in it. He did say that the biggest maintenance item was a starter as they don't last more than a couple of months. I also have a nephew who is a driver for UPS who drives up to 200 miles a day in Arizona. BTW: None of the UPS trucks in Phoenix have AC... Jim - Glendale, AZ www.evalbum.com/4854 David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
