Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War -
Lee, Excellent comments. Thank you. Bob Hensley. From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:59 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Inside EV's headline - Get Ready For A War - ROBERT via EV wrote: > Maybe it is time we all get a beer, sit back, cool off, relax, and > take a break. That's fine. But, we should also expect stormy weather, and start thinking about how we are going to prepare for it! > As to the death of EVs, I do not think it will happen because of the > following: > > (1) Tesla has shown that a manufacturer can produce a saleable EV and > make a profit. The other auto manufacturers cannot let Tesla be the > only game in town. Even though Tesla is the most successful EV producer in the past 50 years, they've only produced a very small number of cars, for a tiny sliver of the automotive market. They are a smaller player than Porsche, Ferrari, etc. (whom the auto companies also basically ignore). Tesla is also not yet profitable. They've reported about a $6/share loss over the past year. Their best quarter was only a $0.15/share profit. The Tesla is a great car, and I'm rooting for them as "my team". But I also have to be realistic and recognize that their chances of surviving are still pretty slim. > (2) CA and other places have enacted zero car emission requirements. Except that these standards were gutted immediately after the last Republican president took office. It happened before; it could happen again. > (3) Some people that have purchased EVs as ICE replacements the last > few years like the cars. True; but the auto companies dumped them anyway. Remember, car companies sell to their *dealers*, not the public. They cater to what their *dealers* want. And dealers generally do not like or want EVs. > (4) Some countries such as China and India, who have a lot of people, > have low oil reserves. They will continue to develop EVs and > alternative energy. Yes, they will. And none of them can be imported to the USA without expensive custom re-design and testing. > (5) There is a segment of the population that has always liked EVs > and alternative energy and they have money to buy the products. That's Tesla's market. They can continue to hold that market; but it won't affect the automotive market in general. I like EVs! But I'm no 1%er, and will never be able to afford a Tesla. But I did get a Nissan Leaf, thanks to the deep discounts, rebates, and tax credits that were available. > I would say the genie is out of its bottle and it is not going back > into the bottle. They were able to kill the EV1 because it was only > a single genie based on a single state requirement. Actually, all the automakers had EVs out then, and other states had them as well (Massachusetts, Georgia, Arizona, etc.) But you will notice that the winners have essentially re-written history -- the average person's view is that it never happened. > a change in the administration in DC may slow down the > electrification of transportation but it cannot stop it. > > Therefore, lets move on to what needs to be done to move forward. I believe they *can* stop it. That is why it's important for EVers to get organized, before we get trampled to death again! -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com<http://www.sunrise-ev.com> The Sunrise EV2 Project<http://www.sunrise-ev.com/> www.sunrise-ev.com The Sunrise EV2 Project Homepage. Welcome! We are a group of dedicated electric vehicle enthusiasts whose goal is to create an affordable, high performance electric ... ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161113/1c7d8c4f/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Supermarket EVanglisim
Bob's method of EVangelism is what I did when I had my S10 Blazer EV
http://brucedp.0catch.com/blazer/
Only now without an EV, I have to rely on EVs in the shopping center's
parking lot, see
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVangel-about-Leaf-Telsa-S-60-Spark-e-Golf-mild-EVSE-rage-Goog-crash-Super-EVSE-tp4683827.html
( ... I noticed a fingernail-red Tesla-S 60 EV parked in the front row ... )
I too had my EV festooned(adorned) with EV signage (less than others, more
than some). Any layman walking by would know my vehicle was an Electric.
One of the tricks that the 6 local EAA chapter members would do, is have a
flyer box hanging off one of the rolled up windows. This made it easy for
people to get a free 2 sided flyer whether I was there or not, see
https://www.google.com/search?q=outdoor+car+brochure+flyer=LHP=lnms=isch
If you want to make your own flyer with your EAA chapter or local EV group
contact details at the bottom, you could use what the EAA has as a template
to build from
http://www.electricauto.org/?page=flyers
Back when I was working, I found it was easy enough to run ten double sided
flyers off at work without anyone caring as I used that as a functional test
of the copier after I had replenished its paper supply and or toner at the
beginning of my shift.
A one double sided flier sheet was all the public wanted. They could easily
fold it and shove it in their pocket, etc.
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Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV's In Production
at with mass production and reasonable design standards, a magnetic charging system could be only *slightly* more expensive than a conductive charging system. However, it would require tight cooperation between the car companies to keep them compatible. That is a FAR bigger problem than the engineering challenges. > This cannot be done with an EVSE system. Yes, it can. The regulations didn't expect it, but it could be made to work anyway. > The system is safer because it is not effected by water > and is secure from vandalism. The safety benefits are dubious, since the conductive systems don't energize the cable until after the connection is made. And the Magnecharger cable is just as vulnerable to theft and vandalism. The best setup is just to have a NEMA receptacle on the "charging station", and the cord and charger in the EV being charged. Unroll your own code, and plug it in. If it's stolen, your insurance would cover it like any other act of vandalism (like a broken window, etc.) > An X10 system (PowerLine Transmission) will not work in an industrial or > commercial environment The consumer-grade X10 was optimized to be cheap, not robust. But there *are* industrial-grade setups that work over the power line. > RF is not reliable in a structure with high levels of electrical noise It's reliable enough for a car parked right next to a charging station, with nothing but air between them. -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com<http://www.sunrise-ev.com> The Sunrise EV2 Project<http://www.sunrise-ev.com/> www.sunrise-ev.com The Sunrise EV2 Project Homepage. Welcome! We are a group of dedicated electric vehicle enthusiasts whose goal is to create an affordable, high performance electric ... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161113/96fdda06/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161113
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-usda-gov-e-Tuk-lab-conducts-field-studies-farmers-markets-farms-amp-ranches-td4684454.html
EVLN: usda.gov e-Tuk lab conducts field studies @farmers markets, farms&
ranches
USDA Farmers Market Shoppers Participate in Behavioral Economics Study about
Food Choices
We also enjoyed the opportunity to see CBEAR's “Tuk Tuk,” an eye-catching,
three-wheel electric vehicle. Tuk Tuks are common in parts of Asia, but
CBEAR's ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-What-Customers-Want-from-Solar-and-Electric-Vehicles-td4684453.html
EVLN: What Customers Want from Solar and Electric Vehicles
Promotional and education opportunities: Less than 22 percent of customers
believed they had a “fairly complete understanding” of solar and EV
technologies ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Georgekutty-s-5seat-solar-Electric-autorickshaw-e-tuk-r-80km-ts-25kph-td4684452.html
EVLN: Georgekutty’s 5seat solar-Electric autorickshaw (e-tuk) r:80km
ts:25kph
A tuk-tuk ride into a greener future
It looks like a crossbreed of a motor bike and an autorikshaw and runs on
both solar and electric energy. It takes just six hours of charging for an
80-kilometer trip ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/1st-public-EVSE-in-Tbilisi-ge-Eurasia-Georgian-EV-initiatives-for-a-better-environment-td4684451.html
1st public EVSE in Tbilisi.ge (Eurasia), Georgian EV initiatives for a
better environment
People who drive electric cars in Georgia will now be able to charge the
batteries of their vehicles for free until 2018, as two charging stations
have opened in ...
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