[EVDL] Smart EV Only Car

[mark hanson via EV]

Hi Bruce etc,

 

So with an EV only Smart (my original EV choice) will they *drop* the
requirement to pay an additional $5K for the "not included" battery or pay
monthly surprise battery rental fees?  Also the crappy 50K 4 year battery
warranty needs to match other EVs at 100K 8 years.  The other reason I
ultimately decided to buy a Leaf & Spark instead is that I *couldn't* get a
shop/service manual (got on Leaf & Spark) or monitor the individual cell
voltages (like the Leaf with LeafSpy).  Will you be able to get a *service*
manual now and be able to see cell voltages & fault codes like other EV's?
They don't talk about any of this in reviews such as Car & Driver, Consumer
Reports etc that have evaluated the Smart EV.  I'm glad to see they're
focusing on EV's but if they maintain their anti-EV marketing they won't
sell many.  The local Mercedes dealer said they won't have *anything* to do
with them.  They need to sell through someone else, Mercedes just wants to
support high end foo-foo pricey cars.

 

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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 03:56:51 -0800 (PST)

From: brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>

To: ev@lists.evdl.org

Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170217

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Brave-Auto
bahn-de-rescue-uses-Tesla-S-EV-to-stop-an-old-ill-VW-ice-driver-td4685810.ht
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EVLN: Brave Autobahn.de rescue uses Tesla-S EV to stop an old,ill VW ice
driver Tesla driver 'saves lives' with amazing Autobahn rescue maneuver Upon
overtaking the vehicle, he saw that its 50-year-old driver was in serious
trouble ... applied pressure to his brakes, allowing the little car to crash
into him from behind ...

 

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Smart-EV-u
s-amp-ca-sales-Live-On-gt-Smart-ice-Bites-the-Dust-cheap-oil-victim-td468580
9.html

EVLN: Smart EV .us& .ca sales Live-On> Smart ice Bites the Dust (cheap oil

victim)

Smart drops engines; to be EV-only brand in the US Daimler's Smart brand
will soon be an electric-only marque in North America as it plans to stop
selling cars with internal ... combustion engine Smart cars in the US and
Canada ...

 

 

Have a renewable energy day,

 

Mark

 

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Re: [EVDL] (lurker) Verne enjoys the EVDL: Video with new music.

[via EV]

Hi   Bruce.
Assuming this time my email finds its target.
I'd not like you to expect to have as much trouble using the rather graphic 
environment of the internet as I do.  Truth is Some internet skilled blind 
folks
do manage amazingly well.  You will find Its enormously helpful to be 
previously skilled. I also find many legally blind internet users are 
partially sighted
and I think this makes a big difference.  For example being total I use an 
Iphone as I find it much more accessible than any android I have tried, yet
a partially blind friend much prefers his android phone and is more 
effective with it.
I expect you might retain perhaps only a little, but that is a very useful 
little eyesight.  So you need not  expect the loss of your considerable 
internet
sleuthing skills.  You might even find eye strain issues abate by using 
accessible technology.Your Skills and time are valuable to the EVDL.  You 
impress
me every time you almost forensically obtain background details to 
incomplete postings on the list.
Also frankly you do a very good job as an advocate for the disabled. In 
particular.  I remember a discussion about noise generators on electric 
vehicles

and your contribution.along with Robert Llewellyn's utube channel.
I personally would hate for our environment including acoustic to remain 
polluted when electric vehicles could lower this overlooked problem.
I also of course look forward to the advent of total self driving vehicles 
and I fear retrenchment due to ill-considered opposition to them.  The 
argument

should be a simple statistical one.
Ironically the blind might be better off with some kind of low speed vehicle 
like those Google has already developed.which could not only find a street
address but an entrance.  Something buses and trains can't do , certainly 
finding doors on a first visit is difficult for the blind.
As you've seen from the video I am passionate about human-electric hybrid 
low speed transportation. I think these offer Not only a healthier planet 
but
healthier human inhabitants. The extra Motive force could be set to an 
individuals requirements.

Currently I'm wondering if the love of cycle touring my sighted wife and
I share could become safer  and more comfortable by combining cycling with 
a self driving ultra low speed cargo transporter.  Howabout a small high 
visibility
low speed solar powered cargo carrier trundling along well in front of 
touring cyclists warning on coming traffic of their presence. while carrying 
their

heavier camping equipment and food.
We already   use a custom electric three wheeled pusher trailer when taking 
my guide dog with us on tour.  This trailer is self powered and self stable
with a range of 80 km.  All it needs is the smarts of the new Google 
Alphabet company. After all if the cargo transporter got confused, the 
following cyclists

could set it right.
So that's a little about the "lurker" and how he employs the inspirational 
ideas you gather on the internet for us all.
Bruce, please keep up your good efforts for just as long as you enjoy the 
Sleuthing and advocating.

Cheers   Verne.
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From: "brucedp5 via EV" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:02 PM
Subject: [EVDL] (lurker) Verne enjoys the EVDL: Video with new music.




I find it good to hear from someone that is where I likely will be in a 
few

years.
Currently, I only have one 100% eye, the other has solar-macular
degeneration from my Vietnam era military service (it has a dead spot in 
the

vision's center where the back of the eye was solar damaged).

At some point in the future, I will lose my sight too. When I do, it is 
good

to know that like Verne, I will still be able to read the text of the EVDL
posts ...

[ https://www.google.com/search?q=screen+readers+blind
Screen readers are software programs that allow blind or visually impaired
users to read the text that is displayed on the computer screen with a
speech synthesizer or braille display. A screen reader is the interface
between the computer's operating system, its applications, and the user 
...

]

... though I doubt I will be able to continue to do the EV news searches I
currently do. I am sure there will be new-blood to take the baton and 
carry

on the good EV-cause fight.




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[EVDL] Wonderful 25 min. EV DOCUMENTARY

[Steven Lough via EV]

THIS is One Fantastic Story. Of Course the Seattle EV Association has 
been following the story for years as well. But to see it unfold in a 
wonderfully produced 25 minute documentary is very special. Thanks be to 
Bothell High School, to Foundry10, and Pat McCue, Stephen Johnson, and 
all the students.


( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkVK4kofuGA )

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PRESIDENT EMERITUS
Seattle EV Association
Web:  www.seattleeva.org
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Re: [EVDL] EV Travel Tailer?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Maybe sooner than you think. There's been some success with Drayage trucks, 
some all BEV, and some battery-dominant fuel cell hybrids. There have been a 
few issues, but they work well - drivers love the torque they get. Not a big 
technical difference, as I understand it, from what you want.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
> 
> I know an EV is not designed to pull a travel trailer.
> But this very expensive tear-drop design claims 25% the towing drag of a
> conventional tailer.
> 
> http://www.safaricondo.com/pdf/alto_en.pdf
> 
> Someday, there will be an EV good for this.
> 
> Someday, when I retire, I can see traveling from park-to-park towing such
> an efficient trailer behind an EV:
> 
> Not trying to go 75MPH, but maybe 60 MPH to enjoy the trip
> Not trying to do 500 miles a day, but more like 200 miles a day max.
> 
> We can dream can't we?
> 
> I've pulled my boat and Communications trailers behind my 2004 Prius
> easily (but not more than local half hour trips...) but they say you can't
> do that... but you can if you use common sense and don't try to hit top
> speed!  And keep your eye and ear on how the car is handling it...
> 
> Bob
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Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower

[paul dove via EV]

I converted an old murray rider with a golf cart motor and controller about 5 
years ago.
Very easy to do.


  From: Jay Summet via EV 
 To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Ryobi RM480e 38 in. Battery Electric Riding Lawn Mower
   
Just in case anybody is interested in buying an electric ride on mower, 
I looked up the prices:

The Home Depot Ryobi RM480e has a cost of $2,500,
and the Mean Green Nemesis has a MSRP of $8,999.

Both of which are a bit too pricey for me. (Think I'll buy a used leaf 
before the Nemesis.)

Jay

On 02/16/2017 01:25 AM, ken via EV wrote:
> Far as I can tell this is a Lead Sled. It has really nice features.
>
> made in china 
>
>  
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-RM480e-38-in-Battery-Electric-Riding-Lawn-Mower-RY48110/300246266
>
> http://www.meangreenproducts.com/ride-on-ztrs/
>
> made in america !!  Very high quality...
>
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[EVDL] Wheel Speed Sensor

[ROBERT via EV]

Has anyone installed a wheels speed sensor on an EV conversion?  I am referring 
to a vehicle that was not originally supplied with a wheel speed sensor.  Has 
anyone connected a wheel speed sensor to an  inverter (AC motor controller)?

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Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

[Matthew Quitter via EV]

ld need cables
> the size of a bench press world champion's arms. The voltage that
> various EV manufacturers choose has nothing to do with the source of
> electricity (it has everything to do with the losses due to high
> current), so you have to figure that they aren't telling the complete
> story.
>
> They don't mention anything about sitting on a stack of hydrogen tanks
> or where the hydrogen comes from, either.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matthew Quitter via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
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> Sent: 16-Feb-17 7:36:29 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?
>
> >Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses
>
> >of the word.
> >
> >Headline:
> >300 km/h in The World's First Electric Sports Car with 48 V Low-Voltage
>
> >Flow Cell Drive
> >
> >First para:
> >It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had
> >worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable.
> >Having
> >finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell
> >in October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of
> >direct fuel cell drive and has built a true eye-catcher in the shape of
>
> >the world's fastest eco sports car. The QUANT 48VOLT is the prototype
> >of a new generation of electric vehicles. It is equipped with what is
> >currently the safest, most powerful, environmentally compatible and
> >economical drive system for electric vehicles that could be built in
> >series production, and provides a view of our future mobility.
> >
> >http://emagazine.nanoflowcell.com/technology/300-kmh-in-the-worlds-firs
> >t-electric-sports-car-with-48-v-low-voltage-flow-cell-drive/
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170217

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Brave-Autobahn-de-rescue-uses-Tesla-S-EV-to-stop-an-old-ill-VW-ice-driver-td4685810.html
EVLN: Brave Autobahn.de rescue uses Tesla-S EV to stop an old,ill VW ice
driver
Tesla driver 'saves lives' with amazing Autobahn rescue maneuver
Upon overtaking the vehicle, he saw that its 50-year-old driver was in
serious trouble ... applied pressure to his brakes, allowing the little car
to crash into him from behind ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Smart-EV-us-amp-ca-sales-Live-On-gt-Smart-ice-Bites-the-Dust-cheap-oil-victim-td4685809.html
EVLN: Smart EV .us& .ca sales Live-On> Smart ice Bites the Dust (cheap oil
victim)
Smart drops engines; to be EV-only brand in the US
Daimler's Smart brand will soon be an electric-only marque in North America
as it plans to stop selling cars with internal ... combustion engine Smart
cars in the US and Canada ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-spy-shots-gt-2019-Ford-Focus-td4685808.html
EVLN: (spy shots)> 2019 Ford Focus ...
2019 Ford Focus Spied For First Time, We're Already Craving The Next ST
Although we don’t know the exact …

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Switzerland-installs-first-high-altitude-alpine-public-EVSE-Great-St-Bernard-pass-td4685807.html
Switzerland installs first high altitude alpine public EVSE @Great St
Bernard pass
Last December, the Swiss side of the Great St Bernard Tunnel that crosses
from Switzerland into Italy installed a fast charging station for electric
vehicles ...




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Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

[Cor van de Water via EV]

George,
Please try to imagine the specs that this vehicle is supposed to
achieve.
For sustained 300 km/h you need in the order of 250 kW continuous at
minimum
and while that is possible with a Tesla with its mega battery pack, it
is not usual for other vehicles to be able to do this.
In fact, the website actually says that all performance EVs have trouble
with cooling since motor and battery heat up during fast acceleration,
but somehow by magic they claim that this 48 Volt drivetrain does not
suffer from excessive heating during their top-performance acceleration!
That is not just ignoring the Laws of Physics, it is actually directly
contradicting them!
The claim is 2.4 sec 0-60 time in a low slung 4-seater car.
And they indicate that they need 6 fuel cells working in parallel (they
say "series") to give the power to make this acceleration happen and
increase the range - which apparently also means 6 storage tanks. (range
for a fuel cell comes from its storage).
Please tell me where in that sleek prototype you would be able to hide 6
storage tanks as well as 6 fuel cells and the controllers to send 5,000
Amps to the motor(s) via arm-thick cables
It is not just unlikely, it is simply an exercise in futility.
It is typical investor-bait to show sleek renders, a partial completed
foam model prototype, almost-impossible specs that (on paper) compete
with the best technology and engineering in the field and on top of that
to introduce a host of non-existent problems that you are solving
without mentioning how you are solving the real problems, such as fuel
cells needing a sizeable battery to account for peak performance, since
fuel cells are typically dimensioned for average power output, to reduce
cost and size and weight.
Look at the Toyota Mirai - it has a large bulk to allow all the
technology required for the fuel cell to find a spot in a car and it
certainly is not a supercar. How can you shoe-horn 6 times that system
into a sleek sports car?
Not gonna happen.
But I suggest you do your own due diligence, I have seen more than
enough red flags from this
singer-turned-inventor-turned-solarcar-fraudster that I will stop
wasting my energy on his claims right now.

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-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of George Tyler
via EV
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 'Peri Hartman'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

Some time ago I discussed a system on here this was similar in a way,
trying to reduce the number of cells. I talkinged about going all the
way, ONE cell. 10,000 Amps at 4V for an exercise. There are fets now
that are 1mOhm or below, I had many phases in my proposal, so does this.
Many phases will be on at the same time, so effectively in parallel. The
fact that they talk of 45 phases makes me reluctance to call "scam!", It
may be real.


-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman
via EV
Sent: 17 February, 2017 4:47 AM
To: Matthew Quitter; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

I'm skeptical. At 48 volts, you would either need lots of systems
working in parallel, each with their own motor or you would need cables
the size of a bench press world champion's arms. The voltage that
various EV manufacturers choose has nothing to do with the source of
electricity (it has everything to do with the losses due to high
current), so you have to figure that they aren't telling the complete
story.

They don't mention anything about sitting on a stack of hydrogen tanks
or where the hydrogen comes from, either.

Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Matthew Quitter via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc:
Sent: 16-Feb-17 7:36:29 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Any truth in these claims?

>Found on social media today... sounds somewhat fantastic in both senses

>of the word.
>
>Headline:
>300 km/h in The World's First Electric Sports Car with 48 V Low-Voltage

>Flow Cell Drive
>
>First para:
>It took a long time. The development team at nanoFlowcell Holdings had 
>worked for several years to make fuel cells directly controllable.
>Having
>finally succeeded in achieving direct variable control of a fuel cell 
>in October 2016, the company now wants to demonstrate the potential of 
>direct fuel cell drive and has built a true eye-catcher in the shape of

>the