[EVDL] EVfire: Tesla-S towed to a garage catches on fire> total loss (v)
https://electrek.co/2018/12/19/tesla-model-s-fire-towing/
Tesla Model S catches on fire after being towed to a garage, Tesla is
investigating
Dec. 19th 2018 Fred Lambert
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Tesla Mysteriously Catches Fire 10 Mins After Being Towed
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A Tesla Model S vehicle in the Bay Area has caught on fire and burned down
to a total loss yesterday.
The cause of the fire is unknown but it happened after the Model S was being
towed to a garage.
Chris, the owner of the Tesla Model S, said that he had a flat tire and he
had the vehicle towed to a tire shop in Los Gatos.
About 5 to 10 minutes later, he said that smoke started to come out of the
vehicle.
“I heard a strange hissing sound. I came out and there was smoke
everywhere. So the shop immediately called the fire department. And by the
time they got here, the car was already on fire.”
Santa Clara County Fire Captain Bill Murphy added:
“The vehicle started off-gassing, making a loud hissing noise and
producing some additional smoke. That’s an indication that there’s some type
of combustion process happening in the batteries.”
They managed to control the fire, but it ended reigniting later on, which
can be an issue with battery fires.
It happened twice earlier this year with Tesla battery packs. The battery
pack of a Model X involved in the fatal accident in Mountain View earlier
this year reignited days after catching on fire in the crash. A few months
later, a Tesla vehicle was also found in a junkyard fire.
In the case of this new incident, a Tesla spokesperson said that they are
investigating:
“We are currently investigating the matter and are in touch with local
first responders. We are glad to hear that everyone is safe.”
Here’s the report from CBS Bay Area:
Electrek’s Take
Fires following accidents are not really worrying because they are often
inevitable after several crashes, regardless of the type of powertrain,
electric or gas-powered, but it is different for fires without any crash.
It’s even more important to find the cause in those cases.
Earlier this year, the battery pack of a Tesla Model S caught on fire in Los
Angeles seemingly on its own without any accident and Tesla said that it was
an ‘extraordinarily unusual occurrence’. They are still investigating the
cause.
Tesla is not the only electric automaker to deal with this issue. Earlier
this month, a Jaguar I-PACE electric SUV caught on fire while parked in a
driveway.
In this case, it’s interesting that it apparently happened after the vehicle
was towed. They didn’t specify if it was towed on a flatbed, which is
Tesla’s recommended way, or with wheels on the ground, which Tesla warns
against.
Either way, it’s worth investigating.
But who knows what happened. Last time we reported about a Tesla catching on
fire seemingly on its own, Tesla said that someone actually fired a bullet
into the battery pack.
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Tesla Mysteriously Catches Fire 10 Mins After Being Towed
Betty Yu has new details on the Tesla Model S that caught fire Tuesday in
Los Gatos. (12-18-2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iThVZxDiilc
Tesla Model S catches fire in Los Gatos, reignites hours later
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1 day ago - Tesla Model S catches fire in California parking lot and
reignites hours later at a tow yard. A Tesla Model S car caught fire in a
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Tesla Model S catches fire twice in 1 day in Los Gatos, California
December 20, 2018 LOS GATOS, Calif. -- A Tesla owner in Northern California
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/18/tesla-model-s-bursts-into-flames-at-los-gatos-tire-repair-shop/
Tesla Model S bursts into flames at Los Gatos tire shop, re-ignites at tow
yard
Dec 19, 2018 ... Incident evokes wreck in March where battery re-ignition
concerns prompted safety bulletin for firefighters ... just after 2 p.m. and
found the all-electric vehicle in flames outside the business. ... The car
had been dropped off at the site five to 10 minutes earlier after it got a
... after the crash, the fire department determined the Model X was safe
enough ...
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid
But just setting a goal to produce "carbon free hydrogen" is still just snake oil, hog wash that can never compete with EVs. bob : > > On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz > wrote: > > > > Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of > decades, and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a > bit less. > > > > In my day job, I recommend and advocate major funding of both battery > electrics and hydrogen fuel cell applications. > > > > One of my many volunteer roles (“working for free” as Bruce would put > it) is serving as Immediate Past Chair of the California Hydrogen Business > Council. > > > > As some of you may know, the renewable content of hydrogen used in > transportation exceeds that of the grid. And the industry itself is on a > path of 100% carbon-free hydrogen . > > > > Not long ago, the Hydrogen Council, made up of the CEOs of leaders in > the industry, released a formal policy supporting 100% carbon-free in > transportation hydrogen by 2030. This is 15 years before the 100% > carbon-free grid date of 2045 adopted by the California legislature. > > > > Tomorrow a release will go out announcing the support of this policy by > the California Hydrogen Business Council. > > > > The adopted language follows. For those of you who have completely > misstated the facts, though intentionally, I hope that you will read it > carefully. > > > > December 18, 2018 > > > > CHBC Endorses Full Decarbonization Goal of Hydrogen in Transportation by > 2030 > > > > The California Hydrogen Business Council (CHBC) on behalf of its members > is pleased to endorse the commitment of the Hydrogen Council to the goal of > decarbonizing 100% of hydrogen fuel used in transport by 2030. > > > > The goal was announced by the Hydrogen Council on September 14, 2018 at > the Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, hosted by Governor Brown: > > > > “The Hydrogen Council, a global CEO coalition bringing together 50+ > leaders in the energy, transport and industry space, is committed to an > ambitious goal of ensuring that 100% of hydrogen fuel used in different > modes of transportation is decarbonised by 2030. We are therefore calling > on governments to build a global alliance that will create the necessary > regulatory frameworks to help make this commitment a reality. Transport may > be our first target, but with right level of support we will see positive > effects across many sectors. We believe hydrogen can play a key role in the > clean energy transition and we are ready to work together with governments > to help create the right technical, financial and legislative environment > that will enable decarbonised hydrogen to scale up.” > > > > Through this commitment to the 2030 goal, hydrogen for transportation > can achieve full decarbonization 15 years ahead of the SB 100 mandate of > 100% carbon-free electricity by 2045. Attainment of the stated goal of > 100% carbon-free hydrogen fuel by 2030 will maintain the position of > hydrogen fuel cell electric drive as the lowest-carbon alternative among > electric drive solutions. > > The hydrogen industry is committed to helping California dramatically > reduce emissions despite increasing transportation demand by providing a > clean fuel that has proven itself in both on- and off-road applications and > is emerging as an important alternative to diesel in marine, rail and port > applications. > > > > > > - Mark > > > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181220/0efd6348/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181220/07383edd/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid
Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades, > and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a bit less. > > In my day job, I recommend and advocate major funding of both battery > electrics and hydrogen fuel cell applications. > > One of my many volunteer roles (“working for free” as Bruce would put it) is > serving as Immediate Past Chair of the California Hydrogen Business Council. > > As some of you may know, the renewable content of hydrogen used in > transportation exceeds that of the grid. And the industry itself is on a path > of 100% carbon-free hydrogen . > > Not long ago, the Hydrogen Council, made up of the CEOs of leaders in the > industry, released a formal policy supporting 100% carbon-free in > transportation hydrogen by 2030. This is 15 years before the 100% carbon-free > grid date of 2045 adopted by the California legislature. > > Tomorrow a release will go out announcing the support of this policy by the > California Hydrogen Business Council. > > The adopted language follows. For those of you who have completely misstated > the facts, though intentionally, I hope that you will read it carefully. > > December 18, 2018 > > CHBC Endorses Full Decarbonization Goal of Hydrogen in Transportation by 2030 > > The California Hydrogen Business Council (CHBC) on behalf of its members is > pleased to endorse the commitment of the Hydrogen Council to the goal of > decarbonizing 100% of hydrogen fuel used in transport by 2030. > > The goal was announced by the Hydrogen Council on September 14, 2018 at the > Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, hosted by Governor Brown: > > “The Hydrogen Council, a global CEO coalition bringing together 50+ leaders > in the energy, transport and industry space, is committed to an ambitious > goal of ensuring that 100% of hydrogen fuel used in different modes of > transportation is decarbonised by 2030. We are therefore calling on > governments to build a global alliance that will create the necessary > regulatory frameworks to help make this commitment a reality. Transport may > be our first target, but with right level of support we will see positive > effects across many sectors. We believe hydrogen can play a key role in the > clean energy transition and we are ready to work together with governments to > help create the right technical, financial and legislative environment that > will enable decarbonised hydrogen to scale up.” > > Through this commitment to the 2030 goal, hydrogen for transportation can > achieve full decarbonization 15 years ahead of the SB 100 mandate of 100% > carbon-free electricity by 2045. Attainment of the stated goal of 100% > carbon-free hydrogen fuel by 2030 will maintain the position of hydrogen fuel > cell electric drive as the lowest-carbon alternative among electric drive > solutions. > The hydrogen industry is committed to helping California dramatically reduce > emissions despite increasing transportation demand by providing a clean fuel > that has proven itself in both on- and off-road applications and is emerging > as an important alternative to diesel in marine, rail and port applications. > > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181220/0efd6348/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] (Might Reach Production): VW electric beach buggy
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/vw-electric-beach-buggy-debut-geneva-might-reach-production/
Electric VW Could Debut In Geneva, Might Reach Production
December 6, 2018 Volkswagen is preparing to launch an assortment of new
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VW has a long history of pr vaporware> e-microbus in 20??
... Aug 21, 2017
VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Firearms shouldn't be discharged into a Tesla Pack
I know a Chinese company fired into a cell but I can’t remember which one CALB maybe it’s in an EVTV episode. This guys understanding of lithium battery fires is all wrong. There is no lithium metal it’s a lithium salt which doesn’t react with air. And you should use lots of water to put it out not clothing, Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:19 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > Didn't someone demonstrate several years ago that you could put a bullet > through a LiFePO4 cell without significant fire hazard? Or is my memory > playing tricks on me? I know that Tesla doesn't use LiFePO4. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] once bitten, twice shot: Firearms shouldn't be discharged into a Tesla Pack
Search on Valence lithium bullet
found nada,zip
https://www.google.com/search?q=shoot+battery=vid
search shoot battery
found, several hits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPL05P5U4ZE
Shooting LIPO Batteries - What happens?
TAOFLEDERMAUS Published on Aug 30, 2012
Matt uses a pellet rifle to shoot over a dozen LIPO batteries. What
happens?
What Happens When you Shoot a Battery? - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6C1Y3aF5ro
▶ 6:01
May 21, 2016 - Uploaded by Josh Musilek
Shooting a D battery with a .22lr What is inside of it?
shooting a lithium battery with an AR-15 - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlmGovvQMiY
▶ 0:22
Mar 17, 2010 - Uploaded by sblanshan
shooting a C cell sized lithium battery for the nice report (boom). I should
not have done this, it is probly bad ...
This is what happens when you shoot a Lipo Battery - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVNbNCPheRY
▶ 2:54
Apr 15, 2016 - Uploaded by HeavyLander
The Best battery cake i've seen for a long time! 300 shoots - Duration:
2:28. Ronnie BoomBoom 47,256 views ...
Shooting a phone battery results in Explosion - 2mAh LI-Ion ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2mYsBue_30
▶ 7:56
Mar 22, 2015 - Uploaded by TechMagnet
What happens when a phone battery is smashed or deeply perforated , stabbed
or shot ? Lets find it out guys ...
Shooting LITHIUM Batteries from a Shotgun - You wanted to see it ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuOxqE5mY6c
▶ 1:14
Mar 4, 2012 - Uploaded by TAOFLEDERMAUS
In this video we shot a lithium battery out of a shotgun. This is something
many viewers asked us to try. How ...
SHOOTING A PHONE BATTERY?! - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4moU2-uj1k
▶ 6:22
Dec 12, 2016 - Uploaded by Snappy-Tech
Sometimes, you wonder to yourself "what would happen if I just shot random
stuff?" and sometimes, you need ...
Shooting Batteries out of a Shotgun - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7RPUlMoKJ0
▶ 5:14
Aug 5, 2015 - Uploaded by TAOFLEDERMAUS
Since so many people have asked us to shoot at targets further away, we've
been posting videos of that ...
DO NOT build a fully automatic battery-launching air gun | Hackaday
https://hackaday.com/2011/.../do-not-build-a-fully-automatic-battery-launching-air-gun/
▶ 3:37
Nov 7, 2011 - Uploaded by ukilliheal
He should shoot LiPo batteries instead :D Kaboom. This thing is wrong in all
ways i can think of. 1. its a gun 2 ...
Shooting 8000mah Lipo Battery with Nail Gun - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzBFCufUDq0
▶ 0:27
Oct 5, 2014 - Uploaded by Marc Allan
Shot a bad lipo battery to show what would likely happen if someone shoots
at a Drone.
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid=Valence+shot+battery
search on Valence shot battery
found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8R0ig0J4wk
The Safety of Valence Lithium Phosphate (English)
ValenceTechnology Published on Sep 8, 2011
Valence believes a safer battery is a better battery.
Lithium ion is a generic term used by many manufacturers however, Valence
has developed and commercialized a fundamentally stable chemistry with
greater safety, compared to oxide based lithium ion batteries.
To demonstrate our safety, we punctured an off the shelf commercially
available lithium oxide battery module together with a Valence Lithium Iron
Magnesium Phosphate module with surprising results ...
...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V13BIWMcgjU
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Firearms shouldn't be discharged into a Tesla Pack
I think it was Valence Technology. On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:14 AM EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Didn't someone demonstrate several years ago that you could put a bullet > through a LiFePO4 cell without significant fire hazard? Or is my memory > playing tricks on me? I know that Tesla doesn't use LiFePO4. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181220/6c458934/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Firearms shouldn't be discharged into a Tesla Pack
Didn't someone demonstrate several years ago that you could put a bullet through a LiFePO4 cell without significant fire hazard? Or is my memory playing tricks on me? I know that Tesla doesn't use LiFePO4. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar powered box truck / RV driving from Alaska to the tip of South America
And if you want to see my PV on my RV, an article that I wrote for Home Power in August of 1998. http://tucsonev.com/RV_PV.pdf Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jay Summet via EV > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:00 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Jay Summet > Subject: [EVDL] Solar powered box truck / RV driving from Alaska to the tip of > South America > > For those interested in solar panels on vehicles or solar RV's: > > Two guys added 6000 watts of solar panels (two slide out "wings" under a main > set on the roof, plus extra "satellite" panels they can put out on stands to a > commercially made International ESTAR (2010) electric box van. The van has a > 80 kWh traction pack, and they added a 40 kwh (24v) battery that the solar > system charges, plus an 8kW inverter that they use to charge the van's main > battery from their solar battery. > > So far they've made it from Alaska to Vancouver (waiting for Visa's to enter the > US). > > video overview: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMeqMmERtL0 > > Website: > https://www.routedelsol.com/ > > > Jay > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
