Re: [EVDL] How far can you go?

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

They were talking about the 1973 Thunderbird getting 6-8 miles per gallon
and a 25 gallon tank.  So, a 150-200 mile range.  Most current production
electric vehicles beat that easily.

They also commented that the cars were "unwanted, unloved, and unsold"
because they were too expensive to fill up, and the stations didn't have
enough fuel for them.  That 25 gallon tank will "be enough to get you to the
next gas station."

Mike

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From: EV  On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 8:12 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Cc: Lee Hart 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] How far can you go?

Paul Compton via EV wrote:
> Fell down the Thames TV archive rabbit hole and came across this 
> report on the 1973 oil crisis. Note the fuel consumption of the Ford 
> Thunderbird and its tank capacity.
>
> "I'll buy an EV once it can go the same distance as a full tank of fuel"
>
> https://youtu.be/ClaNhx71XB8

I can't watch youtube videos (slow connections, old computers). Can you
summarize what they said that was interesting?

Lee Hart

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[EVDL] keeping LeeH connected: How far ...

[evln via EV]

I found the video interesting, and valuable.
-
https://youtu.be/ClaNhx71XB8
Oil Crisis | Stock market Crash | OPEC | This Week| 1973
119,914 views •Mar 20, 2017 ThamesTv 206K subscribers
The 1973 oil crisis paralyzed  the USA and crippled the automotive 
industry. 'This Week' looks at how the lack of oil affects not only 
the US car Industry but also the every day lives of US citizens. 
First shown: 06/12/1973
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There are ways around not having a strong internet connecion 
to view youtube videos.

You could use
https://x2convert.com
 to convert the streaming video's audio to a .mp3 file you could
download and listen to. 

But Most of the value of the video is in there in 1973's oil crisis ...
 seeing the gas pump show $0.39.9/gallon (and they were still 
complaining) ... those 70's hairdo's (guy's hair not too long as 
to be beat up for being a hippie or gay, but longer than the 
50's generation crewcuts) on someone trying to talk serious ...
that people were totally dismayed that having no-fuel could 
happen in the .us (like they way covid has been 
mismanaged/bungled) ... to seeing 1970's city streets with huge 
detroit beasts/boats getting 6to8mpg ... and japanese cars still 
to physically small to fit huge .us bodies/butts and carry all their 
stuff/junk with them (small .jp ice for small .jp humans, not for 
large 1970 appetite .us buyers).

If I remember correctly, years ago, Lee held bragging-rights to 
having his internet access via an old 486 pc on outdated operating
system and outdated browsers. I would have hoped by now that 
situation had changed when more up-to-date PCs with much more
ram can be had for less than $100
https://www.google.com/search?q=ebay+pentium+pc

https://www.google.com/search?q=rca+cambio=shop

These are so cheap because the latest verson of MSwindows (10)
can't run on them (or thy are slow when they try), but they work 
just fine on free versions of linux.
Like Peppermnt
https://www.google.com/search?q=peppermint+linux
 or linux mint (or others)
https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+mint

But Lee stated it is his conection that is the limiting factor. 
When was learning about tablets years ago, I bought a $50 
android 4 limited to 4Gb and it only had wifi (no wireless 2,3,4g).
I learned wth a wifi connection could browse and keep my apps
up to date. I retired that tablet and went with an android 5
smartphone with a 4g network. It served my internet needs for
several years.

Since then, the ever increasing bandwith demands of today's web
pages, placed on wireless data plans started having me bump up 
aganst my data limit at the end of the month.

I had to upgrade to a new android 9 smartphone to use the 5g 
capable wireless network (but my affordable unlimited plan keeps
me on a 4g connection= plenty fast for my simple needs). Now, 
I'm not running out of data, and though the old phone was fast
enough for me, the new phone has more than 2x the 
speed/performance.

I found my old unused motorola moto x1527 phone had no 
resale value at the cash4phone vending machine at stores,
yet you can still get one cheap
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Moto-E2-8GB-Cricket-Black-Turquoise-Good-Condition/184396341675?epid=1842066806
 (I now use that old phone as a clock and paperweight)

Though the 4g connection is turned off, it still functions
well as a handheld internet device when wifi is turned on
and connected to a free-host. There are plenty of these
around: coffee-houses, stores, libraries, etc.

Perhaps if Lee had one of these with a weeks worth of 
video url links stored on it, when he goes out to do his
weekly shopping, he could stop off at a wifi site parking
lot and (legally) mooch some free internet to stream &
watch videos like everyone else?

If that would work for Lee, to ensure Lee stays internet 
connected and hip/savy, maybe I should postal mail him
this still usable paperweight?




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Re: [EVDL] How far can you go?

[Lee Hart via EV]

Paul Compton via EV wrote:

Fell down the Thames TV archive rabbit hole and came across this
report on the 1973 oil crisis. Note the fuel consumption of the Ford
Thunderbird and its tank capacity.

"I'll buy an EV once it can go the same distance as a full tank of fuel"

https://youtu.be/ClaNhx71XB8


I can't watch youtube videos (slow connections, old computers). Can you 
summarize what they said that was interesting?


Lee Hart

--
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is
nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint Exupery
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Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com
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[EVDL] Ford factory

[Mark Laity-Snyder via EV]

 What do you want to bet Tesla will beat Ford to the punch with getting trucks 
out to customers?
https://electrek.co/2020/08/25/ford-construction-new-factory-electric-f-150-pickup-truck/
Ford starts construction on new factory for electric F-150 pickup truck
Aug. 25th 2020 ... Ford has started construction on a new factory to build
the upcoming electric F-150 pickup truck next to its current pickup factory
in Dearborn, Michiga ... a series of new electric pickup trucks scheduled to
come in ?late 2021,? like Tesla Cybertruck and GMC Hummer EV ... While it?s
retooling its factories for the new version of the truck, Bloomberg reports
that Ford also started building a new plant next to its Dearborn factory to
build the new electric version ...
https://i2.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/All-Electric-F-150-04-2000.jpg
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[EVDL] Small Electric Pickups, PHEVs Practicality

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Hi Folks
I’d love a small EV truck but currently made of Unobtanium and realistically go 
1/2 range when hauling or boat towing, a problematic variable. The $33k ($6.8k 
back from Fed) Ford Escape Plug In 37 mile EV range before gas kicks (1.5k lbs 
tow rating) in seems like a good choice to pull my 1480lb ski boat or a 5x8 
trailer for Home Improvement building materials.  The $38k ($7.5k back from 
Fed) RAV4 39 mile PHEV (2.5k lbs tow rating) looks good too. Looking at several 
Forums on options, this seems like a good green pickup replacement.  Even 
pulling a 5x8 trailer (Max loaded 500lb) behind a Prius Prime or my Chevy Bolt 
Would work but not for the Heavier boat since towing is not recommended for 
most cars.  Not sure why the Prius Prime in Europe is rated for 1600 lbs but 0 
lbs in US, maybe pounds are heavier here)  When I lived in CO, I hitched up my 
5x8 trailer behind my VW beetle and then a Jeep.  Not as convienient as a truck 
but worked well. 
Have a renewable energy day 
Mark

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Re: [EVDL] Zilla 1141 error - 15mV drop across contactor at 100A

[Rod Hower via EV]

 I would recommend a twisted wire pair from the Battery+ and Controller+ 
connections back to the input of the hairball to reduce the possibility of 
noise induced on the wires.  Also follow the guidelines in the Zilla 
manual,"The Zilla controller requires special attention to electrical noise 
issues. This is because the unusuallyhigh currents of which they are capable 
switching at very fast rates cause electrical noise.Signal wires should not be 
run near the high power cables due to the likelihood of interference. 
Aseparation of at least one foot between power and signal wires is customary. 
Alternatively, the powerwires can be run in shielded enclosures or wraps.Power 
wires are those which run between batteries, from the battery to the 
controller, and from thecontroller to the motor.Signal wires include all other 
wiring, but especially sensitive are the pot wiring, motor speed sensorwiring 
and serial communication wires.In order to further reduce noise emissions, 
power wires of a given circuit should be run together in closeproximity. For 
example: The wires to the motor from the controller should all be close to each 
other andsecured together with wire ties. The same goes for the battery 
connections. Anytime power wirescarrying the same current in opposite 
directions are not in close proximity, they form a loop. A loop isvery much 
like an antenna and it transmits unwanted electrical noise.Signal wires should 
also be run in sets. It is best to keep all the wires for a given circuit in a 
tight bundle.The wiring to and from a device, such as a contactor or sensor, 
should always be tight. "Also,"The Hairball has internal contactor drivers 
which require snubber diodes on the contactor coils in order toabsorb the 
inductive kick produced by the contactor coil when it turns off. Please note 
these may not beshown in the wiring diagrams.The diodes which come with the 
Hairball package have no polarity, they can be connected in eitherdirection 
across the coil connection on the contactors. These diodes have a 24V threshold 
so they arecompatible with the fast turn off required for Kilovac contactors as 
well. "
On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 11:06:57 PM EDT, Matt via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi All,

I thought I would post a bit of an update

I tried a brand new hairball that I borrowed from a friend – the new hairball 
also reported errors 1141 and 1124 when I tried to accelerate in any gear.

I had fused both contactor sense connections to the hairball, resulting in 
longer wires running between the contactor terminals and the hairball
Connecting the hairball directly to the contactor with as short a wire as 
possible resolved the issue, which suggests it may have been a matter of 
induced noise in the measurement, of too short a duration for my DMM to have 
picked up.
The noise issue likely hasn’t been sorted out, just that it is no low enough 
that the hairball doesn’t fault

Matt

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From: Jukka Järvinen
Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 7:04 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Matt
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla 1141 error - 15mV drop across contactor at 100A

High power demand under acceleration could indicate current leaking to the 
motor hull and messing up the car chassis ground (?)  Brush dust issues have 
kept me troubled too many times with weird problems.
-Jukka

to 3. syysk. 2020 klo 13.01 Matt via EV (ev@lists.evdl.org) kirjoitti:
Hi Brains Trust,

I have a Z1k LV.
My hairball gives me errors 1141 and 1124 when I try to accelerate in any gear 
(worst in 5th, and least bad in 1st)

The manual tells me 1141 is contactor high resistance. my DMM measuring the 
voltage across the battery and controller inputs to the hairball puts the 
voltage drop at 15mV for 100A (battery amps that is). Which looks about right 
for a  good contactor

The contactor always drops out when I turn the ignition off, and my DMM 
measures 92v across the contactor (measured at the hairball terminals). My 
conversion is 96v nominal (actual battery voltage is 102v, though the little 
white light on the hairball must act as a voltage divider, dropping 10v)

I opened the hairball, and it looks clean inside - nothing looks damaged 
visually.

Any ideas on what to check next?
Is it possible to see what the hairball is measuring as the voltage drop across 
the contactor?

thanks in advance,
Matt

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 7 Sep 2020 at 13:33, paul dove via EV wrote:

> Sorry Autocorrect I meant to say their hybrid 

Your software is right.  Hubris it is.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[paul dove via EV]

Sorry Autocorrect I meant to say their hybrid 


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On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 9:39 PM, John Lussmyer via EV  
wrote:

On Sun Sep 06 18:38:31 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>A 65kWh battery - not at all overly optimistic these days - would give 115
>miles of range at 80% DOD.  That's moderately useful range for some kinds of
>truck applications.  Whether potential buyers will see it that way is
>another matter.

This would work for many Fleet owners service trucks.  Some time ago a group 
I'm in talked with several who had the problem that their trucks didn't travel 
FAR everyday, but were started/turned off a LOT.  They had 3 year old trucks 
where the engine had died.


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[EVDL] How far can you go?

[Paul Compton via EV]

Fell down the Thames TV archive rabbit hole and came across this
report on the 1973 oil crisis. Note the fuel consumption of the Ford
Thunderbird and its tank capacity.

"I'll buy an EV once it can go the same distance as a full tank of fuel"

https://youtu.be/ClaNhx71XB8

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www.morini-mania.co.uk
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