Re: [EVDL] Bruce's new home
On 20 Jan 2021 at 17:59, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I wonder if there's anything we can do to increase awareness of EVDL. Well, I suppose that some of the folks here who do (anti-)social media could mention it there, maybe by quoting from our discussions. I wonder what kind of new members we might get from that. I'm generally disinclined to do much promotion. Hey, we have a website. What more do you want? :-) I don't really hold with the standard corporate "grow or die" principle. To be crunchy granola about it, services like this one grow and shrink organically with natural demand. There's more demand for EV info than there was 20 years ago, but there are also more other sources. We're the one that uses email. If you like email and/or don't like being tracked and spied on by big corporations, well, here we are. I kind of feel like Buddhists do about their religion - when you're ready for us, you'll find us. :-) I'm willing to listen to discussion about this, however. > bet there are others that are like me: want to know about leading edge > activity and technical issues even though they (I) don't plan on doing > any EV tinkering personally. Isn't that what the various EV news websites are supposed to do? I mean Green Car Reports, Inside EVs, Clean Technica, Electrek, Future Car, and so on. Or maybe they're too focused on "Ooh, it's been restyled to look just like every other car on the road, and look at those exciting 19 inch wheels!" Pah. > > Also, maybe a different basis for the forum. I like email but a lot of > people prefer other formats. I'm getting some deja vu here. :-) Back in the day, that was one of the EVDL topics that resurfaced often, along with AC vs DC drives, flooded vs AGM lead, and fast-short-range vs slow-long-range. It always generated lots of discussion. After 2008 when gasoline prices broke $4 a gallon in the US, we had a flurry of new memberships. A lot of them would post a couple of initial questions and then inevitably we got, "Hey, how come y'all don't make this into something modern, like a forum?" - presumbly not realizing that forums are a webification of dialup BBSes from the 1980s. :-) In fact we do have a forum gateway, as a feature of the archive. It's aimed at casual and occasional users, and those who for whatever reason don't like email. It's a bit clunky, but I'm working on that. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = It is well known (Potts, 2014; Catcher, 2014) that the internet is made of cats. The net is a series of tubes (Stevens, 2006) through which cats carry information in packets (Butterworth, 2011). The failure modes have been less well studied. Several exist, but to date the most researched are fracture, disjunc- tion, and joule-based disruption. FRACTURE causes complete regional internet failure. It occurs when construction or other human activity severs or collapses an underground tunnel through which the cats travel. The symptom of DISJUNCTION is high lat- ency; the usual cause is hooligans placing containers of tuna or cream at tunnel junctions. Data corruption results from JOULE- BASED DISRUPTION, caused by the static charge that accumulates as long-haired cats speed through the tunnels. This shocks the cats, who drop their packets. -- Lolapin (2020) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Bruce's new home
Thanks. I like numbers. I wonder if there's anything we can do to increase awareness of EVDL. I bet there are others that are like me: want to know about leading edge activity and technical issues even though they (I) don't plan on doing any EV tinkering personally. Also, maybe a different basis for the forum. I like email but a lot of people prefer other formats. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EVDL Administrator" Sent: 20-Jan-21 10:50:56 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bruce's new home On 19 Jan 2021 at 7:30, Willie via EV wrote: EVDL seems to be on it's last legs Nope. Our traffic did take a big hit in 2012, falling by about half. I think that was mostly down to the Nissan Leaf and Tesla S. They and their production EV bretheren have pretty well buried hobbyist EVs, which were the list's bread and butter for a long time. The dedicated forums for them have probably drawn discussion away from here. I think that the rise of smartphones and the decline of email (and privacy) were additional factors. (Anti-)social media too. The EVDL used to be the only game in town for EV info. Not any more, and that's mostly a good thing, though I personally avoid Fakebook and the like, mostly for privacy reasons. So, in case you care, by the numbers: In 2016 EVDL traffic stabilized at something over 1/3 of the 2010 numbers. Since then it's been quite consistent at around 3600 posts per year. Bruce's posts were just under 1/3 of the total last year, so despite the slow January so far, I expect between 2000 and 2400 posts in 2021. That's not peanuts. For comparison, last year the Elec-Trak list attracted 119 posts, and the C-Car list 320, and nobody said they were on their last legs. I know, those lists are dedicated to specialized EVs, but still ... EVDL membership peaked after the big fuel price runups in 2007 and early 2008, then fell back as prices did. It's been stable at around 650 subscribers for the last few years. A lot of them are life-long EVers, so if you young whippersnappers are looking for EV wisdom, this is the place to get it. The EVDL will also always win in mission. It's here to support EVs and EV owners, not advertisers and a big well-paid staff. Also in usability; it'll never nag you to update your browser or install an app. It won't dog your computer with hidden scripts, crash your browser, shove ads in your face, radicalize you, track you, or "monetize" (sell) your personal data. I think that's worth sustaining. It won't be going away. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. -- Albert Einstein = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Bruce's new home
On 19 Jan 2021 at 7:30, Willie via EV wrote: > EVDL seems to be on it's last legs Nope. Our traffic did take a big hit in 2012, falling by about half. I think that was mostly down to the Nissan Leaf and Tesla S. They and their production EV bretheren have pretty well buried hobbyist EVs, which were the list's bread and butter for a long time. The dedicated forums for them have probably drawn discussion away from here. I think that the rise of smartphones and the decline of email (and privacy) were additional factors. (Anti-)social media too. The EVDL used to be the only game in town for EV info. Not any more, and that's mostly a good thing, though I personally avoid Fakebook and the like, mostly for privacy reasons. So, in case you care, by the numbers: In 2016 EVDL traffic stabilized at something over 1/3 of the 2010 numbers. Since then it's been quite consistent at around 3600 posts per year. Bruce's posts were just under 1/3 of the total last year, so despite the slow January so far, I expect between 2000 and 2400 posts in 2021. That's not peanuts. For comparison, last year the Elec-Trak list attracted 119 posts, and the C-Car list 320, and nobody said they were on their last legs. I know, those lists are dedicated to specialized EVs, but still ... EVDL membership peaked after the big fuel price runups in 2007 and early 2008, then fell back as prices did. It's been stable at around 650 subscribers for the last few years. A lot of them are life-long EVers, so if you young whippersnappers are looking for EV wisdom, this is the place to get it. The EVDL will also always win in mission. It's here to support EVs and EV owners, not advertisers and a big well-paid staff. Also in usability; it'll never nag you to update your browser or install an app. It won't dog your computer with hidden scripts, crash your browser, shove ads in your face, radicalize you, track you, or "monetize" (sell) your personal data. I think that's worth sustaining. It won't be going away. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = The telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. -- Albert Einstein = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Electric aviation startup MagniX opens new facility
Not to take away from these two companies, I think that Ampaire may be farther along. I think that they have already started flights in Hawaii. They were about to do so when I last talked to the CEO a year or two ago. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 20, 2021, at 9:01 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > I know other news is a "bit" distracting today, but here's a bit of EV news. > If the two companies reported in this article are successful, the effect > could be huge. > > Peri > > Electric aviation startup MagniX opens new headquarters and production > facility in Everett > https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/electric-aviation-startup-magnix-opens-new-headquarters-and-production-facility-in-everett/ > > Local aviation startup MagniX, which is developing electric motors to replace > the gas turbine engines on commuter airplanes carrying up to 40 passengers, > announced Tuesday it is consolidating its operations at a new facility in > Everett. > ... > Electric-powered flight technology is not considered viable for Boeing-size > airplanes. MagniX instead focuses on developing the propulsion system for > all-electric, zero-emission flights on small commuter aircraft that fly > routes shorter than 1,000 miles. > ... > Ganzarski cites compelling economics, claiming that electric aviation should > cost about $300 per flight hour versus $1,500 per flight hour on current > gas-powered planes of that size. > ... > One is sister company Eviation, of which Ganzarski is now chairman. Both > MagniX and Eviation are funded by the Singapore-based Clermont investment > group owned by New Zealand-born billionaire Richard Chandler. > ... > Eviation has designed, though it hasn’t yet flown, an all-electric plane > called Alice that can carry nine passengers and has a range of 440 miles. > ... > He said Alice should have its first flight this year and Eviation will build > two more test planes for a two-year flight test and certification program. It > should be ready to deliver in 2023, he said. > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210120/ea640c03/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
[EVDL] Electric aviation startup MagniX opens new facility
I know other news is a "bit" distracting today, but here's a bit of EV news. If the two companies reported in this article are successful, the effect could be huge. Peri Electric aviation startup MagniX opens new headquarters and production facility in Everett https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/electric-aviation-startup-magnix-opens-new-headquarters-and-production-facility-in-everett/ Local aviation startup MagniX, which is developing electric motors to replace the gas turbine engines on commuter airplanes carrying up to 40 passengers, announced Tuesday it is consolidating its operations at a new facility in Everett. ... Electric-powered flight technology is not considered viable for Boeing-size airplanes. MagniX instead focuses on developing the propulsion system for all-electric, zero-emission flights on small commuter aircraft that fly routes shorter than 1,000 miles. ... Ganzarski cites compelling economics, claiming that electric aviation should cost about $300 per flight hour versus $1,500 per flight hour on current gas-powered planes of that size. ... One is sister company Eviation, of which Ganzarski is now chairman. Both MagniX and Eviation are funded by the Singapore-based Clermont investment group owned by New Zealand-born billionaire Richard Chandler. ... Eviation has designed, though it hasn’t yet flown, an all-electric plane called Alice that can carry nine passengers and has a range of 440 miles. ... He said Alice should have its first flight this year and Eviation will build two more test planes for a two-year flight test and certification program. It should be ready to deliver in 2023, he said. << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210120/ea640c03/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Bruce's new home
On 1/19/21 1:24 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: Regarding QuantumScape, interesting article by the leading design engineer of the Roadster battery pack.https://silanano.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/The-Future-of-Energy-Storage.pdf A GREAT read! Thanks for posting! ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
