Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked
Considering the needs to maintain the manufacturing of the past decade, Europe has essentially none. Germany is burning lignite, for example. France has nukes to hold them together. That is about it. Norway? They would rather not use petroleum, and make the right moves to avoid it. Norge can't support the rest of the continent. We have shale tech and I have read there is more than 50 years worth that we know about. Yeah, unlimited is hyperbolic, but there is no limit in my lifetime. There isn't enough copper (and so on) to electrify what uses petrol now, not in my lifetime. The greatest suppliers we prefer not to use - Russia in particular. There is copper in South America, but mines don't come on line overnight, more like over a decade. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 10:56 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 28 Oct 2023 at 18:10, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > Europe and North America not comparable where fossil fuels are concerned. > > EU has none and we have an unlimited supply. > > I'm not an expert on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't say > Europe has none. From what I've read, Norway may not pump as much as the > US, but it's still a significant petroleum and natural gas producer. > > A few other EU countries, and the UK, contribute smaller amounts. > > Nor do I think that it's quite fair to say that the US has an unlimited > fossil fuel supply. No nation does. The US acts like it does, though. > > The sincerity is a bit suspect, but Western Europe at least makes > concerned > noises about reducing carbon emissions. They're trying. New passenger > ICEVs are banned from 2035. Already I see more EVs in this tiny rural > French town than I ever saw in the medium size Ohio cities around where I > lived. > > Right now the US is tentatively making carbon-control noises, but their > past > and their likely future direction is for them to pump it and burn it until > it's gone (and we are). > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Blockchain is an elaborate workaround for a very specific problem: > verifying irreversible transfers of value without a centralized > authority. In other words, it's a computationally burdensome way to > hate the government. > > -- Sarah Jeong > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231028/5ddf5f0e/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked
On 28 Oct 2023 at 18:10, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > Europe and North America not comparable where fossil fuels are concerned. > EU has none and we have an unlimited supply. I'm not an expert on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't say Europe has none. From what I've read, Norway may not pump as much as the US, but it's still a significant petroleum and natural gas producer. A few other EU countries, and the UK, contribute smaller amounts. Nor do I think that it's quite fair to say that the US has an unlimited fossil fuel supply. No nation does. The US acts like it does, though. The sincerity is a bit suspect, but Western Europe at least makes concerned noises about reducing carbon emissions. They're trying. New passenger ICEVs are banned from 2035. Already I see more EVs in this tiny rural French town than I ever saw in the medium size Ohio cities around where I lived. Right now the US is tentatively making carbon-control noises, but their past and their likely future direction is for them to pump it and burn it until it's gone (and we are). David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Blockchain is an elaborate workaround for a very specific problem: verifying irreversible transfers of value without a centralized authority. In other words, it's a computationally burdensome way to hate the government. -- Sarah Jeong = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked
Europe and North America not comparable where fossil fuels are concerned. EU has none and we have an unlimited supply. We won't resist cheap energy. Count on it. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 5:10 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > > https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicle > s/ > <https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/> > > > > Great detailed explanations about the lies that get talked about for EV's. > Studies done mainly in UK and Europe, but certainly applicable to us here > in the > US. > > > > A great link to keep for future reference or to send to your gas/diesel > guzzling > friends. > > > > I just love the one about Hydrogen, the amount of cars using hydrogen is > just a > rounding error for EV's! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rush Dougherty > > TucsonEV > > www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.tucsonev.com/> > > > > > > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231028/9791a8f4/attachment.htm > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231028/aadcca2e/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] 'Facts' about EV's debunked
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicle s/ Great detailed explanations about the lies that get talked about for EV's. Studies done mainly in UK and Europe, but certainly applicable to us here in the US. A great link to keep for future reference or to send to your gas/diesel guzzling friends. I just love the one about Hydrogen, the amount of cars using hydrogen is just a rounding error for EV's! Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.tucsonev.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231028/9791a8f4/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
