Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
On 21 March 2018 at 15:10, EVDL Administrator via EVwrote: > On 21 Mar 2018 at 10:47, Paul Compton via EV wrote: > Clare had a lot of EV work > going back in the day. She was active in (a founder of maybe?) WE'RE-IT, > the Women's Electric Racing Team. WE'RE-IT competed in EV track racing > events, including the Phoenix APS Electrics. > I'm pretty sure that another EVDL member of that era, Mary Ann Chapman, was > also a WE'RE-IT member. I was a WE'RE-IT team member in 1996 (special dispensation; no surgery required) and Mary Ann was the driver that year. >From 1997 to 1999, Mike Slominski and I effectively ran the car. John Wayland hooked us up with some Optima batteries and we ran under the Optimal Performance banner. For the last year we borrowed a Zilla controller and ran at 288v nominal, but with current to the ADC 9" motor limited to 200amp peak. We topped 135mph in testing on the runways at Alameda and were giving the National Auto Sports Association cars a run for their money in raw speed and lap times. We took an easy third place in the 12 lap short race despite our speed being severely limited by an overheating controller. Running the coolant through a box full of ice solved that problem. A throttle safety microswitch failure took us out of the 25 lap race, which was a real shame because with our new higher top speed we could tuck up under the rear spoiler of the AC Propulsion powered Z28 and run down the fast straight with barely any throttle. Richard Hatfield was our driver/sponsor that year and the performance achieved helped inspire him to quit the financial industry and found first Alliance Renewable Energy and then Lightning Motorcycles. -- Paul Compton www.morini-mania.co.uk www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
On 03/21/2018 10:10 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I'm pretty sure that another EVDL member of that era, Mary Ann Chapman, was also a WE'RE-IT member. Mary Ann designed the outstanding Desert Lightning S10 conversion, and IIRC had a hand in helping to formulate the NEC's first EV charging regulations. They messed it up anyway. :-( I was looking for Mary Ann stuff when I came across the Clare links; I posted only one of the more interesting. It seems Mary Ann and Clare had a close association. I know that Mary Ann and Gail crossed paths in their EV promotion efforts. I knew Mary Ann LONG before her EV interest developed. After she moved from Austin, she fell off my radar. For a long while, I was unaware of her EV activities and I had no EV interest myself. After my epiphany connected to viewing WKTEC, I finally became aware of all the people that had poured their souls into the EV effort. And were then smacked down by GM and California government. I believe Mary Ann has bitterness over her EV business failure; she doesn't have much interest in EVs these days. I've fairly recently encouraged Mary Ann to check back in on EVDL. Perhaps Clare is the same. Gail has the attitude that it is good that EVs have FINALLY taken off. I harbor FAR more resentment against GM than Gail does. I view GM as even more evil than microsoft. Good stuff on SCCA below. I did not know that EVs had any SCCA presence. As an old SCCA road racer, I've had little interest in the principle EV racing, drag racing. Even though they seem to have been emotionally high strung, I regret the absence of drag racers on EVDL. I do have a little personal history on Mary Ann which I can post if I get permission. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
On 21 Mar 2018 at 10:47, Paul Compton via EV wrote: > Definitely not 'Kids' books! Oops, sorry, no offense meant! I misread the linked bio page. I'm not familiar with the Ratha books, but they sound interesting. I'll check them out. Regardless, still glad to hear she's doing well. Clare had a lot of EV work going back in the day. She was active in (a founder of maybe?) WE'RE-IT, the Women's Electric Racing Team. WE'RE-IT competed in EV track racing events, including the Phoenix APS Electrics. I'm pretty sure that another EVDL member of that era, Mary Ann Chapman, was also a WE'RE-IT member. Mary Ann designed the outstanding Desert Lightning S10 conversion, and IIRC had a hand in helping to formulate the NEC's first EV charging regulations. They messed it up anyway. :-( Below is another from the same series of Clare's old EVDL posts. She drops a few famous EV names here, including Bob Schneeveis, Otmar Ebenhoech, and Allan Cocconi. Bob Schneeveis's Snow White: https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/library/extra4/sloan/EVonline/evaosc/94 04/page8.htm https://v.gd/4IiWHI Otmar Ebbenhoech, creator of the Zilla motor controller and all kinds of unorthodox EVs from an electric sofa to his current project, a Tesla-powered stretched VW Westfalia: http://cafeelectric.com/stretchla/about/ Allan Cocconi, genius EE, whose gorgeous T-Zero roadster inspired the Tesla Roadster Mk I: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion_tzero = >From Ce@AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:53:29 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:12:42 -0400 From: Clare BellReply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List To: Multiple recipients of list EV Subject: EVs in SCCA I'm really glad to hear that SCCA is considering a class for EVs. Actually, here in Northern CA, a number of EVs have already raced in SCCA Solo 2 Autocross. The first one that I know of in this area was my #13 Porsche 914, which ran at San Jose Fairgrounds (parking lot autocross) in the summer 1993. Dan Sullivan and I took turns at the wheel. Sullivan (not the famous one, but a very good road race driver who also drives the ESR 1) turned some pretty good laps against gas cars. I didn't do too bad, except I spun the Porsche. During 1994 and 1995, I ran #13 intermittently in SCCA Solo 2 events in the San Francisco Bay SCCA Region. These included Candlestick Park, Oakland Coliseum, Mather Airforce Base and others. I was usually asigned to class OSP (Open Street Prepared). Since I'm not the best autocross driver (yet), I've hunted up folks who run gas 914s and put them in #13. Several have come away with impressive times, so the car can definitely do it. #13 also was the first electric on-track at Sears Point Raceway during an SCCA Solo 1 road race (also 1993). The EV ran demo laps with Sullivan driving and me as passenger. Great fun! Bob Schneeveis usually excels at anything mechanical he attempts and he's been cleaning up the SCCA Solo 2 track with SnoWhite and his Fiat X1-9 since 1994. SnoWhite with Otmar Ebbenhoech at the wheel, has posted some impressive times. SnoWhite has gone in A-Modified, the Fiat runs against me and #13 in OSP. Bob himself drives the X1-9 and regularly pastes me. (The limitation here is the driver -- me.) With Otmar's 1000-amp controller, the Fiat is one mean machine. The ESR-1 has also been running Solo 2 autocross, and has developed into a worthy competitor for SnoWhite. I think some electric Rabbits here have also run Solo2, though Rabbits have a tendency to lift a rear wheel in corners. Recently both Bob's Fiat and my Porsche have been sidelined -- Bob because he needs his monster controller back and me because I blew up the Porsche's motor. But as soon as I get my motor back in and Bob has the 1000-amper, watch out, gas cars! Actually the SCCA crowd gets a bang out of the EVs. Every time I've gone, people have said, "I'm really glad you're here", or "What a neat idea!!" etc. I've had no negative responses. If the SCCA National Committee wants to know what it is like to have EVs in Solo2 competition, they should talk to the SF Regional. Previous president Katie Elder (she's really good) has driven several of the above EVs. It helps if the EV entry drivers work the track and help with tech inspect. And if EV drivers learn how to do tech inspections, they can help formulate the tech inspect rules for their cars. Hey, you guys with EV tire-burners, such as Rod Wilde's RX-7, John Wayland's White Zombie and ??; make' em handle and take 'em out to Solo2. It educates the public and it's a ton of fun. I also think that Al Cocconi should put his Honda CRX in SCCA Solo 2. That car would absolutely macerate the gas-guzzlers and bring AC Propulsion a lot of publicity. Hey, Allan, if you'e looking for someone to organize an EV racing team, or even a womens' EV racing team. WE'RE-IT has done pretty decently at
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
On 21 March 2018 at 06:56, EVDL Administrator via EVwrote: > Glad to hear Clare Bell is well. I never knew she'd written kids' books. Definitely not 'Kids' books! Some of her books got classified as 'Young Adult', but they weren't written specifically for that market. -- Paul Compton www.morini-mania.co.uk www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
Glad to hear Clare Bell is well. I never knew she'd written kids' books. She was a major contributor to the EVDL in its early days. Here are a couple of her posts from September of 1996. >From Ce@AOL.COM Mon Sep 16 08:54:28 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:14:58 -0400 From: Clare BellReply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List To: Multiple recipients of list EV Subject: Have donor 914, will build EV I just bought another gas 914 - it was such a deal I couldn't let it go. If anyone wants an electric 914, I can build one just like Black Magic, or any other way. The one I just got is a 1973, red with black top, nice interior, no cracks in the vinyl dash and it even has aftermarket air-conditioning, which could probably be run off a separate small electric motor. They make a very nice mid-distance commuter. Vince Bradley had Black Magic (1976 914 EV conversion) for a while and he was making a run from Belmont, CA down to Lockheed in Sunnyvale. Some days he didn't even charge at work. He used the car for three weeks and then he made a run from Belmont over Hiway 92 to Hiway 1 and then down the coast to Santa Cruz, a 62-mile run with some good ups and downs. Black Magic also did 84 miles on nearly brand-new batteries in the 1995 EAA Rally at Lockheed, coming in 3rd. This car lives at 2300 ft above sea level and regularly makes trips up and down the Santa Cruz mountains on very wind-y roads (fun!). I used to use #13 for trips from South San Jose over to Bonny Doon in Santa Cruz while I was working on Black Magic. #13's batteries were hot, (would charge to a specific gravity of 13.00) so that increased their capacity, but the car was pretty amazing. I "hopped the hill" on Hiway 17 about 10 or 15 times. I also used to commute from south San Jose to San Francisco, charging at both ends. These EVs are strong enough and handle well enough to race and autocross. Brown's kit, by the way, includes all the 914 suspension upgrades (heavier torsion bar and 180 lb adjustable platform Koni or Bilstein coilover shocks) If anyone wants a "Green 914", or help building one, let me know. I love putting these cars together and getting them on the road. Fourteener Fanatic CB Have donor 914, will build EV = >From Ce@AOL.COM Mon Sep 23 19:25:05 1996 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:13:51 -0400 From: Clare Bell Reply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List To: Multiple recipients of list EV Subject: Gearboxes, EV1 book, Smog2 On VW-Porsche conversions, I replace the hypoid gear oil with Redline Automatic Transmission Fluid. It has less hydraulic drag. Since you don't have an ICE engine heating and thinning the transmission fluid, ATF or Mobil One works fine. {snip] David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
One of the links that Willie posted was about Clare, biographical info and her books. https://www.rathascourage.com/author%20bio%20 On 3/20/2018 12:51 PM, Paul Compton via EV wrote: On 20 March 2018 at 02:58, Bill Dube via EVwrote: Whatever happened to Clair Bell? She dropped off the grid around the EVS-16 or so. Clare moved to the Rocket Ranch at Patterson California and later married the owner Chuck Piper. For a while she only had a satellite phone. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
On 20 March 2018 at 02:58, Bill Dube via EVwrote: > Whatever happened to Clair Bell? > She dropped off the grid around the EVS-16 or so. Clare moved to the Rocket Ranch at Patterson California and later married the owner Chuck Piper. For a while she only had a satellite phone. -- Paul Compton www.morini-mania.co.uk www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
Whatever happened to Clair Bell? She dropped off the grid around the EVS-16 or so. Bill D. On 3/20/2018 3:54 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Way-way before JB was, Clare Bell http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Raptor-600-DC-Motor-Controller-on-Ebay-tp429551p429586.html http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=437 http://www.evalbum.com/5306 Clare has done many good-EV-deeds long before I got involved with EVs. At one point she was working at the Alameda-CA calstart hangar 20 for green motor works (a SoCal conversion biz back before the automakers 'said' they were going to make production EVs, and all the conversion EV biz folded/closed down). They were selling-off a Ford Escort StaWgn, that I bought to keep in the SF area. I paid Clare to upgrade the 108VDC T-105 pack with US-125s, and install a 4-gauge cable run to the rear trunk area for higher powered charging (I was using a Zivan NG5 5kW charger, along with its on-board BC-20 L1 charger in parallel - I was the only one doing parallel charging back then). After I gathered my data, I put the EV up for sale in the SF area at my cost (I did many EV-things back then at or below my cost). Months later, it had a new SF area owner. Later, I paid Clare to do some important work on my S-10 Blazer EV (after the San Mateo converter I had been using sold his biz). I am grateful for all the work she did as I really needed help to get those issues resolved. On JB's personal (safe) web page [ http://www.straubel.com/ ], the links to his Porsche conversion, and pusher go nowhere (they're as good as dead-Jim). Which is why I grabbed what I could of what those pages were and created a (safe) clone of them for archival purposes (so we didn't JB's before-Tesla good-EV-deeds), see: https://brucedp.neocities.org/jstraubel/ The evdl archive also has a post I made documenting when I first saw JB driving his Porsche with his pusher (years ago when I was a hp-CE): http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Archived-clean-cloned-pages-of-former-jstraubel-site-944-EV-pushers-gen1-2-more-tp4684626.html For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/archive/ {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Clare Bell, JB: interesting links
Way-way before JB was, Clare Bell http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Raptor-600-DC-Motor-Controller-on-Ebay-tp429551p429586.html http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=437 http://www.evalbum.com/5306 Clare has done many good-EV-deeds long before I got involved with EVs. At one point she was working at the Alameda-CA calstart hangar 20 for green motor works (a SoCal conversion biz back before the automakers 'said' they were going to make production EVs, and all the conversion EV biz folded/closed down). They were selling-off a Ford Escort StaWgn, that I bought to keep in the SF area. I paid Clare to upgrade the 108VDC T-105 pack with US-125s, and install a 4-gauge cable run to the rear trunk area for higher powered charging (I was using a Zivan NG5 5kW charger, along with its on-board BC-20 L1 charger in parallel - I was the only one doing parallel charging back then). After I gathered my data, I put the EV up for sale in the SF area at my cost (I did many EV-things back then at or below my cost). Months later, it had a new SF area owner. Later, I paid Clare to do some important work on my S-10 Blazer EV (after the San Mateo converter I had been using sold his biz). I am grateful for all the work she did as I really needed help to get those issues resolved. On JB's personal (safe) web page [ http://www.straubel.com/ ], the links to his Porsche conversion, and pusher go nowhere (they're as good as dead-Jim). Which is why I grabbed what I could of what those pages were and created a (safe) clone of them for archival purposes (so we didn't JB's before-Tesla good-EV-deeds), see: https://brucedp.neocities.org/jstraubel/ The evdl archive also has a post I made documenting when I first saw JB driving his Porsche with his pusher (years ago when I was a hp-CE): http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Archived-clean-cloned-pages-of-former-jstraubel-site-944-EV-pushers-gen1-2-more-tp4684626.html For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/archive/ {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)