Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
Maybe you did! It's hard to know the paths of information. -- Original Message -- From: Cruisin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-May-15 5:54:01 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a interview here on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the finest car in the world. Al Bullock -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a interview here on YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the finest car in the world. Al Bullock -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I think it's possible they used your idea if this video was out there somewhere. Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Cruisin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I designed the first Li-ion battery pack to power a car made from 8500 Panasonic and Sanyo 18650 cells to power my 1970 VW in 2004 resulting 35kw 200 mile range. This was done before Tesla developed their roadster. The batteries were sold to the engineers leaving my VW without. You can watch a interview here on YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlsSAZPvU8 . I feel that in some way I contributed to the success of Tesla making the finest car in the world. Al Bullock -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-GenZe-e-bicycle-has-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-S-EV-tp4675718p4675729.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
Paul Dove via EV wrote: I think it's possible they used your idea if this video was out there somewhere. That, or Alan Cocconi's Tzero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion_tzero Cocconi built Tzero in 1997 with lead-acid batteries. Martin Eberhard had him convert one to lithium laptop cells in 2003. This became the prototype for Martin to start Tesla motors. -- The greatest pleasure in life is to create something that wasn't there before. -- Roy Spence -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I thought Tesla used Panasonic batteries. On 5/22/2015 5:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S to help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you can take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size of your laptop charger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
I think your are right, but who really knows? It is all anecdotal to us mere mortals. Probably they are the same size. I don't think Panasonic and Samsung are using the same chemistry, and I think Samsung is not at the same levels of quality, etc. It could all be different tomorrow. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I thought Tesla used Panasonic batteries. On 5/22/2015 5:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S to help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you can take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size of your laptop charger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150522/8ed084b5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV
http://www.businessinsider.in/What-its-like-to-ride-an-electric-bike-that-uses-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-Model-S/articleshow/47275304.cms
What it's like to ride an electric bike that uses the same batteries as a
Tesla Model S
Biz Carson0 May 14, 2015
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GenZe e-bikes at a rally before Silicon Valley Fashion Week
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The GenZe recreational e-bike
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San Francisco e-bike riders in front of the Ferry Building
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I was terrified to try it. The last time I had been on a public bicycle was
in Seville, Spain, where I got hit by a motorcyclist who failed to look on a
turn.
This time, I was climbing on an electronic bike with a motor of its own that
could take me up to 20 m.p.h. hurtling through the streets of San Francisco.
All I had to do was twist my right hand on the throttle.
One reason people (like me) don't bike to work is safety. The other reason?
Sweat. Some people don't want to arrive drenched after they've traveled
across the city with a backpack stuck to their shirts.
E-bikes are starting to catch on in Europe, and now a company called GenZe,
based in Fremont, California, wants to popularize them here too. It makes
sense in a city that has hills, money, and workers, all in abundance.
GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S to
help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you can
take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size of
your laptop charger.
The bike itself operates in two modes: pedal-assist or throttle only.
I started in the pedal-assist mode because that's how most people ride a
bike. On the e-bike, I immediately noticed the difference as I started
through an intersection. As you start pedaling, the motor engages and you
are gliding forward faster.
Think of it as using a moving sidewalk in an airport compared to just
walking alongside it - the moving sidewalk gets you there faster without
having to increase your effort.
Then there are the speeds, depending on how much assistance you want with
your pedaling. The higher the number, one through five, is the level of
thrust it will give.
I chickened out and set it to 1 in the beginning because I wanted it to feel
more like a bike. It is heavy at 45 pounds, and if you are pedaling, you can
feel a bit of the difference, especially trying to get it going. I was being
passed by most San Francisco bike commuters, although that could have been
my inexperience on the streets.
I eventually increased it to three on a few long straightaways so I could
travel at higher speeds. The higher the number, the more the motor will kick
in.
The dashboard of the GenZe e-bike shows you things like your speed and what
level of pedal-assist mode you are on. On the left handlebar is how you turn
on and off the motor as well as how you adjust the mode.
Eventually, I scaled the pedal-assist down to zero and let the bike do all
of it.
When you turn it into motor-only mode, you turn your right hand and it
accelerates. It takes a bit of coordination to switch into right hand
accelerating, left hand breaking, but I found that when I wasn't pedaling, I
kind of just sat and looked around, much like when you are in the driver's
seat of a car. The physical intensity (and mental distraction) of actually
riding a bike was gone.
This is perhaps one of its better uses: A no-workout, no-sweat mode of
commuting that's not putting you in the thick of traffic or down into the
subway. Of course, you can always turn on the pedal assist mode if you want
to feel like you're at least biking to work, not just riding atop one.
On San Francisco's hills, that extra bit of thrust would be helpful.
However, even if you don't ride up the hills, you could get a pretty big
workout hauling a 45-pound bike upstairs into your apartment every night.
With its $1,499 price tag, this isn't one you want to leave in the street or
in the stairwell.
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