Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV

[Paul Dove via EV]

Try leaving it plugged into the EVSE and see if it still does it. If you theory 
is correct it shouldn’t discharge while plugged in.

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> On Jun 28, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks
> I checked the 12v battery last night, cool at 12.6v not sucking any amps so I 
> think the car decides to discharge the battery from100 to 80% if you let it 
> sit 2 days or more. Seems like a waste of energy though. 
>> 
>> Thanks Paul
>> That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten 
>> worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the 
>> DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go 
>> above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery is 
>> hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda Insight 
>> went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it was the 
>> old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it doesn't start 
>> anything or supply heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's what it was.  
>> Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the Chevy Bolt doesn't 
>> have similar problems.  For some reason I couldn't charge from the CCS fast 
>> charger, tried five chargers and all said both my credit cards were bad so I 
>> went in the store and bought a cookie on one and a coke on the other (health 
>> food).  Just testing since fast chargers are 28c per kWh so I just charge at 
>> home wher
> e 
>> the energy is free from the sun. 
>> Have a renewable energy day
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV

[Jay Summet via EV]

My Ego (electric lawn-care tools) batteries will self discharge 
themselves down to 30-50% SOC after a month if you leave them charged. 
(they call it "Storage mode").


So I can certainly understand a car deciding to keep the battery 
"stored" within the 20-80% SOC range for battery healthalthough I'm 
surprised they do it after only 2 days. (Personally, I think I'd pick 3 
days, so that if you came home, charged on a Friday and left it over the 
weekend it would still be ready at 100% on Monday morning.)



I'd keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't keep going down quickly 
below 80% as time progresses, it might still be a bug and not a feature


Jay



On 6/28/19 9:42 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:

Hi folks
I checked the 12v battery last night, cool at 12.6v not sucking any amps so I 
think the car decides to discharge the battery from100 to 80% if you let it sit 
2 days or more. Seems like a waste of energy though.


Thanks Paul
That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten worse 
over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the DC DC 
converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go above 13v 
so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery is hot, I think 
it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda Insight went goofy, 
blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it was the old 12v battery 
that I thought would never go bad because it doesn't start anything or supply 
heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's what it was.  Thanks Lee for your 
help and on the goofy horn. Hope the Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems.  
For some reason I couldn't charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five 
chargers and all said both my credit cards were bad so I went in the store and 
bought a cookie on one and a coke on the other (health food).  Just testing 
since fast chargers are 28c per kWh so I just charge at home whe

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the energy is free from the sun.
Have a renewable energy day
Mark

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[EVDL] Quirky Spark EV

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Hi folks
I checked the 12v battery last night, cool at 12.6v not sucking any amps so I 
think the car decides to discharge the battery from100 to 80% if you let it sit 
2 days or more. Seems like a waste of energy though. 
> 
> Thanks Paul
> That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten 
> worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the 
> DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go 
> above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery is 
> hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda Insight 
> went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it was the 
> old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it doesn't start 
> anything or supply heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's what it was.  
> Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the Chevy Bolt doesn't 
> have similar problems.  For some reason I couldn't charge from the CCS fast 
> charger, tried five chargers and all said both my credit cards were bad so I 
> went in the store and bought a cookie on one and a coke on the other (health 
> food).  Just testing since fast chargers are 28c per kWh so I just charge at 
> home wher
 e 
> the energy is free from the sun. 
> Have a renewable energy day
> Mark
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Have you tried contacting them?

If they are not helpful, let me know. I think I may know one of the execs there.

- Mark

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> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Mike Beem via EV  wrote:
> 
> I am interested in this Mark, because of the last portion regarding DC
> quick charging. I have not been able to get my 2016 Spark LT2 to charge on
> EVGO CCS chargers. I have tried them at 5 different locations and either
> get no response or when it seems to have started, get an error message from
> the EVSE telling me that charging was stopped by the car. I took it back to
> the dealership 3 times before I gave up on them.
> Chargepoint works, but there aren't any of them available where I drive,
> only EVGO, so I have been very limited on where I can travel.
> I think it is a software issue with the car, but the dealer basically made
> it my problem when they couldn't find the cause.
> Michael B
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 4:21 PM Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Paul
>> That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten
>> worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the
>> DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go
>> above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery
>> is hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda
>> Insight went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it
>> was the old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it
>> doesn't start anything or supply heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's
>> what it was.  Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the
>> Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems.  For some reason I couldn't
>> charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five chargers and all said both my
>> credit cards were bad so I went in the store and bought a cookie on one and
>> a coke on the other (health food).  Just testing since fast chargers are
>> 28c per kWh so I just charge at home where
>> the energy is free from the sun.
>> Have a renewable energy day
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging

[Mike Beem via EV]

I am interested in this Mark, because of the last portion regarding DC
quick charging. I have not been able to get my 2016 Spark LT2 to charge on
EVGO CCS chargers. I have tried them at 5 different locations and either
get no response or when it seems to have started, get an error message from
the EVSE telling me that charging was stopped by the car. I took it back to
the dealership 3 times before I gave up on them.
Chargepoint works, but there aren't any of them available where I drive,
only EVGO, so I have been very limited on where I can travel.
I think it is a software issue with the car, but the dealer basically made
it my problem when they couldn't find the cause.
Michael B

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 4:21 PM Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:

> Thanks Paul
> That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten
> worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the
> DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go
> above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery
> is hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda
> Insight went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it
> was the old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it
> doesn't start anything or supply heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's
> what it was.  Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the
> Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems.  For some reason I couldn't
> charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five chargers and all said both my
> credit cards were bad so I went in the store and bought a cookie on one and
> a coke on the other (health food).  Just testing since fast chargers are
> 28c per kWh so I just charge at home where
>  the energy is free from the sun.
> Have a renewable energy day
> Mark
>
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[EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Thanks Paul
That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten worse 
over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the DC DC 
converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go above 13v 
so it just keeps pumping current in.  I'll check if the battery is hot, I think 
it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours.  My Honda Insight went goofy, 
blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it was the old 12v battery 
that I thought would never go bad because it doesn't start anything or supply 
heavy loads.  I'll let you know if that's what it was.  Thanks Lee for your 
help and on the goofy horn. Hope the Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems.  
For some reason I couldn't charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five 
chargers and all said both my credit cards were bad so I went in the store and 
bought a cookie on one and a coke on the other (health food).  Just testing 
since fast chargers are 28c per kWh so I just charge at home where 
 the energy is free from the sun. 
Have a renewable energy day
Mark

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