Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Tue Sep 08 21:14:05 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>Do you have a thread on this site for the conversion? Did you DIY?

No real thread, but a lot of photos.
https://john.casadelgato.com/Electric-Vehicles/1995-Ford-F-250


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

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On 7 Sep 2020 at 13:33, paul dove via EV wrote:

> Sorry Autocorrect I meant to say their hybrid 

Your software is right.  Hubris it is.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[paul dove via EV]

Sorry Autocorrect I meant to say their hybrid 


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On Sunday, September 6, 2020, 9:39 PM, John Lussmyer via EV  
wrote:

On Sun Sep 06 18:38:31 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>A 65kWh battery - not at all overly optimistic these days - would give 115
>miles of range at 80% DOD.  That's moderately useful range for some kinds of
>truck applications.  Whether potential buyers will see it that way is
>another matter.

This would work for many Fleet owners service trucks.  Some time ago a group 
I'm in talked with several who had the problem that their trucks didn't travel 
FAR everyday, but were started/turned off a LOT.  They had 3 year old trucks 
where the engine had died.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sun Sep 06 18:38:31 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>A 65kWh battery - not at all overly optimistic these days - would give 115
>miles of range at 80% DOD.  That's moderately useful range for some kinds of
>truck applications.  Whether potential buyers will see it that way is
>another matter.

This would work for many Fleet owners service trucks.  Some time ago a group 
I'm in talked with several who had the problem that their trucks didn't travel 
FAR everyday, but were started/turned off a LOT.  They had 3 year old trucks 
where the engine had died.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

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> I think the hubris f150 is supposed to get about 10 miles electric range

John  Lussmyer has spoken for himself, but I'll add that he's posted here in 
the past that his converted F-250 uses about 600Wh/mi.  So let's say that, 
as an irresponsibly wild guess, a lighter F-150 kitted out with some aero 
mods might get this down to 450Wh/mi.  

A 65kWh battery - not at all overly optimistic these days - would give 115 
miles of range at 80% DOD.  That's moderately useful range for some kinds of 
truck applications.  Whether potential buyers will see it that way is 
another matter.

One of the Rivian layouts has a 180kWh battery, which would give a usable 
range of 320mi at 450Wh/mi.  That's a lot of energy storage!  But it would 
make for a pretty pricey pickup.

There may be a market for an EV like this, but it's hard to imagine it being 
big enough to warrant the effort Ford is putting into it.  I wonder if maybe 
this is an exercise in developing an EV truck for EU and Asian markets. I'd 
expect them to use the Ranger as a base instead, though, since IIRC the 
Diesel Ranger is the largest selling pickup in Europe (not that they sell 
that many).

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[Alan Arrison via EV]

If they do nothing about the aerodynamics of a brick and the weight of a 
locomotive, it will take 150 to 200kwh packs to get the range the 
"public" demands. This will of course make the price prohibitively high.


John, how many pounds of lithium and kWh's does it take to get 60 miles? 
My guess; a lot.


Al

On 9/6/2020 4:57 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

On Sun Sep 06 09:02:32 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:

I think the hubris f150 is supposed to get about 10 miles electric range

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On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 8:24 PM, Alan Arrison via EV 
 wrote:

If these electric pickups from the big three are "styled" the same as
the monstrosities they are selling currently, they are going to have
terrible efficiency and require HUGE battery packs to get 200 to 300
mile range.

Since I can get 60+ miles range with my F250, 4WD, supercab, longbed - using 
old Leaf Modules, I'm quite sure that Ford can get better range than that.
(and I still have a bunch of empty space under the hood.)



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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sun Sep 06 09:02:32 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>I think the hubris f150 is supposed to get about 10 miles electric range
>
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>On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 8:24 PM, Alan Arrison via EV 
> wrote:
>
>If these electric pickups from the big three are "styled" the same as
>the monstrosities they are selling currently, they are going to have
>terrible efficiency and require HUGE battery packs to get 200 to 300
>mile range.

Since I can get 60+ miles range with my F250, 4WD, supercab, longbed - using 
old Leaf Modules, I'm quite sure that Ford can get better range than that.
(and I still have a bunch of empty space under the hood.)



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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[paul dove via EV]

I think the hubris f150 is supposed to get about 10 miles electric range


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On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 8:24 PM, Alan Arrison via EV 
 wrote:

If these electric pickups from the big three are "styled" the same as 
the monstrosities they are selling currently, they are going to have 
terrible efficiency and require HUGE battery packs to get 200 to 300 
mile range.

Al

On 9/5/2020 2:53 PM, evln via EV wrote:
>
> https://electrek.co/2020/08/25/ford-construction-new-factory-electric-f-150-pickup-truck/
> Ford starts construction on new factory for electric F-150 pickup truck
> Aug. 25th 2020 ... Ford has started construction on a new factory to build
> the upcoming electric F-150 pickup truck next to its current pickup factory
> in Dearborn, Michiga ... a series of new electric pickup trucks scheduled to
> come in “late 2021,” like Tesla Cybertruck and GMC Hummer EV ... While it’s
> retooling its factories for the new version of the truck, Bloomberg reports
> that Ford also started building a new plant next to its Dearborn factory to
> build the new electric version ...
> https://i2.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/All-Electric-F-150-04-2000.jpg
> ...
> https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/08/as-ford-moves-forward-with-electric-f-150-preparations-online-chatter-leaves-it-in-the-dust/
>
>
>  (TrovaCV Pulaski e-truck startup, v)
> https://www.wdbj7.com/2020/08/22/exclusive-look-at-pulaski-co-fully-electric-truck-startup/
> Exclusive look at Pulaski Co. fully electric truck startup
> Aug. 21, 2020  Trova Commercial Vehicles wants to bring next generation
> trucks to the New River Valley, VA  A Pulaski County startup, spearheaded by
> a former top Volvo executive, is working to bring the first fully electric
> truck to ... (video  flash)
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Trova+Commercial+Vehicles+trucks+NRV
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

[Alan Arrison via EV]

If these electric pickups from the big three are "styled" the same as 
the monstrosities they are selling currently, they are going to have 
terrible efficiency and require HUGE battery packs to get 200 to 300 
mile range.


Al

On 9/5/2020 2:53 PM, evln via EV wrote:


https://electrek.co/2020/08/25/ford-construction-new-factory-electric-f-150-pickup-truck/
Ford starts construction on new factory for electric F-150 pickup truck
Aug. 25th 2020 ... Ford has started construction on a new factory to build
the upcoming electric F-150 pickup truck next to its current pickup factory
in Dearborn, Michiga ... a series of new electric pickup trucks scheduled to
come in “late 2021,” like Tesla Cybertruck and GMC Hummer EV ... While it’s
retooling its factories for the new version of the truck, Bloomberg reports
that Ford also started building a new plant next to its Dearborn factory to
build the new electric version ...
https://i2.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/All-Electric-F-150-04-2000.jpg
...
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/08/as-ford-moves-forward-with-electric-f-150-preparations-online-chatter-leaves-it-in-the-dust/


  (TrovaCV Pulaski e-truck startup, v)
https://www.wdbj7.com/2020/08/22/exclusive-look-at-pulaski-co-fully-electric-truck-startup/
Exclusive look at Pulaski Co. fully electric truck startup
Aug. 21, 2020  Trova Commercial Vehicles wants to bring next generation
trucks to the New River Valley, VA  A Pulaski County startup, spearheaded by
a former top Volvo executive, is working to bring the first fully electric
truck to ... (video  flash)
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Trova+Commercial+Vehicles+trucks+NRV




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