Re: [Evangelism] Announcing the new WPD Champion

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Thanks for stepping up on this one, André.  Much appreciated.  

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Re: [Evangelism] Wrapping up 4.0

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Congratulations, Eric, as you come down the home stretch.  

Just for fun, I took the bulleted points from 
http://plone.org/products/plone/features/4/
http://plone.org/products/plone/features/4/  and converted them into a Prezi
presentation ( http://prezi.com/3ejcvekiipib/plone-4/
http://prezi.com/3ejcvekiipib/plone-4/ ).  I've opened it up to the public,
so anyone can hop in, make a copy, and refine/repurpose it.  

Suggestions for improvements and enhancements welcome.  

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[Evangelism] Re: A Plone Prezi

[Karl Horak]

I checked out your translation (not that I can read Italian) and was pleased
to see that the layout didn't have to change in any significant manner. 
With some international fonts, I believe the Prezi style has to change,
which may have a pretty radical effect on the entire layout.  If anyone
wants to take a go at Russian, Kanji, Arabic, Big Five, or other language,
let us know how it turns out.  

As you can see, I went heavy on U.S. website screen captures, but there's no
reason you couldn't replace any of the images with Italian Plone sites. 
This makes the presentation largely modular, where parts can be quickly
substituted to fit, for example, an NGO or education audience.  

Thanks again,

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[Evangelism] Re: A Plone Prezi

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My Plone Prezi has been marked for reuse, so others with Prezi accounts
should be able to make their own copy and then modify it further.  
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[Evangelism] A Plone Prezi

[Karl Horak]

I've been plinking around with Prezi and one of my efforts has been 
http://bit.ly/d5kq3J short presentation on Plone .  It keeps evolving with
time, but has stabilized for the moment.  

A version can be generated for offline display since it's just a Flash app. 
Prezi's can be played in an endless loop (use the 'More' button), so perhaps
something like this would be handy for use at some conventions and booths. 

Any feedback from the Evangelism list would be appreciated.  

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Re: [Evangelism] Please join us to chat about the future of Plone.net!

[Karl Horak]

Excellent timing, Jon.  This should get some visible improvements in place in
time for WPD and the late spring Plone symposia. 


JonStahl wrote:
> 
> The Plone Foundation board has asked me to kick off a conversation
> about how we can continue to refine and improve Plone.net so that it
> is an even more powerful and impressive showcase for Plone sites and
> providers.
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Re: [Evangelism] Interesting places to market plone

[Karl Horak]

Dylan,

Thanks for bringing this up.  I can knock off that first item you mention,
weekly downloads.  

As a first whack, the  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/plone/+download
LaunchPad numbers  for the past 12 months (basically version 3.2 and up)
total 1.14 M.  Average weekly downloads are therefore right around 22,000.
That puts Plone in 4th place just below Drupal and 4x higher than the next
lower system.  The great majority of Plone downloads are 3.2.1 and 3.2.2.  

Considering that most of CMS Wire's stats are self-reported by the
respective dot orgs, I would give the actual LaunchPad numbers higher
credibility.  In their table (Exhibit 1, page 16) only Typo3 has actual
SourceForge numbers.  I'm a little surprised that CMS Wire couldn't find the
Plone download statistics since they are publicly available on LaunchPad.  

Karl


Dylan Jay wrote:
> 
> Weekly download rate: Report didn't have data on plone so perhaps we  
> could report the download count?
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Re: [Evangelism] [DW] Query - Are any government-focused open source consortiums still operational?

[Karl Horak]

Touch base with Deb Bryant.  She's very active with open source and
government.  Try her Twitter account (http://twitter.com/debbryant) or her
blog (http://www.bryantsblog.com/) for more information.


kiazami wrote:
> 
> Hi There,
> 
> I am Csaba, working with Balazs in Hungary, and have run into this
> question
> at dowire.org.
> 
> I think, we can add plonegov, but do you have other thing in your mind to
> share?
> Let me know pls..
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Madarász Csaba
> tel.:+36703643482
> 
> 
> 
> Google Talk: madarasz.csaba Skype: bpanther360
> Linkedin 
> Facebook
> Youtube 
> Twitter
> del.icio.us  Blog
> RSS
> Nyílt.org FSFE: EC caves in to proprietary lobbyists on
> interoperability
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Steven Clift 
> Date: 2010/1/6
> Subject: [DW] Query - Are any government-focused open source consortiums
> still operational?
> To: newswire 
> 
> 
> I am noticing an uptick in interest again in promoting open source for use
> in government technology. This time more on economic reality grounds than
> philosophical.
> 
> Are any government-oriented consortiums operational anywhere in the world?
> This could be either government directly, universities working with
> government, or technology vendors who serve government.
> 
> Also, is there a short list government technology vendors who use open
> source tools actively? And finally is there a government website host that
> provides cookie cutter websites built on an open source platform? (The
> kind
> a small town might use for example.)
> 
> Reply to me directly - clift (at) e-democracy.org or publicly via the
> Exchange: http://dowire.org/x
> 
> Steven Clift
> http://stevenclift.com
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Re: [Evangelism] Value proposition and positioning

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You might want to take a look at the 
http://www.coactivate.org/projects/plone-marketing/summary Plone Marketing
Project  at Co-Activate.

--Karl


ejah wrote:
> 
> I got the strong impression from going through this list and other docs
> that we are having trouble with our positioning and value proposition.
> Maybe I missed some relevant documents, can then someone please provide me
> the pointer?
> 
> I would like to help develop both for us. Would the forum be the place for
> that?
> Cheers, 
> Ernst
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Re: [Evangelism] Strategy focus de cisions - Plone-the-product vs. Pl one-the-platform – Discovering a b log entry by Paul Everitt from 2008

[Karl Horak]

One of our big Plone solutions reliably runs half a TB.  More details in a
case study early next year.  


ctxlken wrote:
> 
> 5) Terabyte storage solutions.  Documentum and their DMS-based ilk have 
> handled this for years.  How many large-scale storage Plone case studies 
> are there on plone.net?  Many a time, Plone integrators can't discuss 
> the few successes that may exist here.  Hopefully, this story improves 
> with BLOB storage in Plone 4.
> 
> I'm really interested to hear what their answer is though.  Thanks Matt!
> 
> Ken
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Re: [Evangelism] Hack Plone! Win a Mac!

[Karl Horak]

Just tossing my 2 cents worth in here -- if there were any Plone sites in the
world that hackers were already targeting, it would be FBI and CIA.  I'm
sure we would have heard of any failure there.   

Meanwhile, I think the Foundation should sponsor a system of clandestine
honeypots out there and monitor them religiously.  

Save the $$ on the Mac and pay Mark to get the msg out to the professional
CMS reviewers. 

Karl


Mark A Corum wrote:
> 
> If Plone had previously been weak on security, and had gotten its act
> together, this might make sense.  But in reality -- where Plone is a
> VERY secure system with a long-term record of protecting sites and
> data -- this kind of circus stunt is not a good idea.
> 
> Mark
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[Evangelism] Plone Wins Packt 2009 Award

[Karl Horak]

Plone came away with the 2009 Packt " http://www.packtpub.com/award Best
Other Open Source CMS Award " today.  Spread the word and make hay before
the other Packt winners are announced tomorrow and following days.  

Some things to think about:  press release (Mark?), retweets, blog posts,
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Re: [Evangelism] PloneConf2009 Marketing Meeting

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Please clarify -- 10:00 a.m. or 4:15 p.m. Budapest time?  


Francesco Ciriaci wrote:
> 
> The last proposal is to move to 4.15 p.m. the meeting so that us  
> evangelists can remotely join the discussion.
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Re: [Evangelism] PloneConf2009 Marketing Meeting

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2:00 a.m. MDT -- n problem!  My permanent jet-lag usually has me up at
that hour anyway.  Just check the times on my blog postings for the last
year.  :-))

-- Karl


Francesco Ciriaci wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> due to the high number of people interested I've set up a page:
> http://www.coactivate.org/projects/plone-marketing/ploneconf2009-marketing-meeting
> 
> the idea is to have it on DAY 3 - Open Space Day starting in the  
> morning (at 10.00).
> 
> Matt will find us some room.
> 
> Please add you name if interested.
> 
> Cheers,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [Evangelism] [Participants] Who's interested in a 2009:Plone Marketing Meeting?

[Karl Horak]

Despite 8-9 time zones difference (daylight saving time ends in the US this
weekend), is there a chance for remote participation?  At the very least,
capture on video and upload later.  

Also, be sure to post an evangelism/advocacy/marketing segment during the
unconference on Friday.  


VirginiaChoy wrote:
> 
> íhi Francesco,
> 
> íííYes íi am very keen to meet, shall we run a marketing sprint on the
> weekend?
> 
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[Evangelism] Plone Service Day

[Karl Horak]

I see that Firefox is promoting 
http://mozillaservice.org/learn_more/volunteer/en_US Mozilla Service Week ,
Sept. 14-21.  Their suggestions on ways to help include:

*  Teach senior citizens how to use the Web.
** Show a non-profit how to use social networking to grow its base of
supporters.
* Help install a wireless network at a school.
* Create Web how-to materials for a library's computer cluster.
* Refurbish hardware for a local computer center.
** Update a non-profit organization's website.
** Teach the values of the open Web to other public benefit
organizations.

I've double starred three of their suggestions as particularly germane to
the Plone community. I urge all readers to  make a positive difference in
their communities, not just for one week in Sept. (although that would be
great), but throughout the year.  

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Re: [Evangelism] Total revenue metrics for Plone

[Karl Horak]

Dylan,

I've been looking for the silver bullet that will slay the werewolf of web
statistics for several years, both for Plone and in my day-job.  Alas, I
don't have a simple mechanism for pulling the answers you want (and the
community needs) out of the aether.  I've gone on at some length over at 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2009/08/meaningful-stats.html PloneMetrics 
this morning.  

Perhaps the best thing to do is have a Marketing Monday.  Divvy up Plone.net
and send individual contact e-mails out with a questionnaire.  When/if the
results roll in, manually accumulate them.  Obviously, when it comes to
financial matters of Plone companies, a great deal of confidentiality will
be required.  

Maybe a marketing sprint would be worthwhile.  Anyone care to visit ABQ this
season?  

Karl


Dylan Jay wrote:
> 
> ...But is it possible, even without Plone being one company?
> 
> For instance could an independent auditor collect all "plone revenue"  
> figures from all registered integrators for the purposes of created an  
> amalgamated figure?
> 
> How would work done with an organisation such as a university be valued?
> 
> Instead is it possible to estimate from stats we currently have?
> 
> Are there any stats about Plone's success that are really meaningful?
> 
> Dylan Jay, Plone Solutions Manager
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Re: [Evangelism] Article: Is Plone a Good CMS

[Karl Horak]

I've been running this msg thread through my mind for several days now and in
light of the idea that we should include testimonials on Plone.net for how
the CMS decision was made, here's a go at what we did in Cooperative
International Programs at Sandia National Laboratories.  

Back in the late 90s we "discovered" Python as a great language for
scripting, especially data mining.  We had a terrific young Python
programmer on staff and when customer requirements started to move towards
complex CMS domains (ca 2003), we found that Zope was a logical, secure,
safe, and effective solution.  Within a year, we had found that Plone did
all the heavy lifting for us.  

Since then we've built about 60 sites, large and small, mostly small.  Plone
lets us serve 500 MB document collections as well as micro-sites for one-off
websites to support a single staff member's workshop.  

Sandia relies heavily on SharePoint for internal information silos and now
has an external SP server.  However, Plone is easier to customize for
project brand identification, goes beyond mere document management, is far
more usable, has almost unlimited flexibility, and can be ported to our
international partners without a huge MS price tag.  

International Programs still remains a very small corner of Sandia's IT
environment, but as we continue to succeed with pragmatic solutions and
solid deployments, we've gotten the attention of other IT and Web groups. 
As you can see, our Plone decision was actually an organic growth from
Python to Zope to Plone.  Only this month are we migrating up to 3.x.  

Nearby City of Albuquerque and Albuquerque Public Schools went to Plone
based on their own independent decision-making processes.  A few other local
entities embraced Plone as well.  The end result is a surprising enclave of
Plone out here in NM.  

Because we grew into Plone, the learning curve wasn't as steep as the urban
myth would have it.  Excellent training has been available at every step
along the way (kudos to Joel Burton and Enfold Systems).  Much to my
surprise, we haven't had to avail ourselves of the many readily available
consultancies out there.  

In the end, I guess we're a small organization embedded within a large
organization and I'm of no help in that debate.  We get basic CMS site
requests on a routine basis, but then there are some off-the-wall
requirements that come in.  They haven't stumped Plone yet.  Low cost,
flexibility, security, customizable workflow, UML-to-product development
path, and the backing of a solid community have made Plone the right
decision for us.  

All that said, this doesn't help much in targeting the Plone marketing
strategy.  I concur that emphasizing the positive (what Plone does well) is
important and that crafting stories for successful deployments across all
scales will make a difference.  

Just sign me,

No regrets


Dylan Jay wrote:
> 
> 
> Still haven't worked out how best to reply. You're talking about both  
> marketing positioning and company size. I'm not sure if they are  
> related.
> With regard to positioning, we tend to put plone at the bigger end.  
> It's like sitecore etc but more flexible due to being open source  
> (more integration hooks) and lower total cost of ownership). However  
> unlike you Umbraco it's not .net or java so it's going to be headache  
> if they want to support it internally so it almost has to be better  
> than the alternatives for many in enterprise to accept it. So perhaps  
> we should be looking at what Plone really can do better [1]
> 
> As for consulting company size. My guess is that because Plone  
> requires a big learning curve so it's an investment for any consulting  
> firm take on for occasional use, even if they were a python shop. That  
> means most Plone shops specialise in it. But my guess is as good as  
> anyones.
> 
> [1] for me plone's strength lies in it's filesystem like model that  
> allows people to build up very different solutions using building  
> blocks with quite sophisticated delegation of tasks. I wish there was  
> a nice buzz word for that.
> 
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Re: [Evangelism] Article: Is Plone a Good CMS

[Karl Horak]

Back in January Geir Baekholt contacted me about taking over the Plone
listing at CMSMatrix from him.  I've never been able to figure out what the
process is for changing the responsible party, so it's still stuck in limbo.  


Matt Hamilton wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10 Aug 2009, at 07:08, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
> 
>> This page could be helpful to make a comparison sheet.
>>
>> http://www.cmsmatrix.org/
>>
>> Click the check boxes of Plone and few more CMS, then press Compare  
>> button.
> 
> Anyone know who is the account holder for this site? The info is quite  
> out of date now and needs updating (maybe wait until 3.3 release then  
> update it).
> 
> -Matt
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Re: [Evangelism] Article: Is Plone a Good CMS

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Matt Hamilton wrote:
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> So is this a good thing? What does it mean to the Plone community? Are  
> there companies out there that say something like 'We normally use  
> Vignette, but in this smaller case we will use Plone'?
> 
> At the moment I think we are often trying to pitch against the big  
> boys saying our system can do everything they can. But maybe the  
> message that Umbraco is using is 'we are lighter/smaller/quicker/ 
> cheaper etc' than the big boys. I know in reality Plone can/does use  
> both messages.
> 
> What are your thoughts? I want to gather them up to send to Janus.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 

Our corporate IT folks have been studying enterprise CMS for years.  Our
internal portal has gone from Vignette to Oracle to (probably) JBoss. 
SharePoint is used for a tremendous number of internal collaboration sites.  

Meanwhile, for external use, my small group has been using Plone for over 5
years and its success is starting to catch the attention of corporate
decision-makers.  

Gotta busy day and will expand in detail later.

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Re: [Evangelism] List of conference events

[Karl Horak]

+1

Merci, danke, thanks


Matt Hamilton wrote:
> 
> I just found this list of web/tech conferences... might be quite a few  
> on there for the list of conference Plone should be represented at:
> 
> http://thenextweb.com/2009/06/30/entrepreneur-startup-tech-blogger-techie-list-top-techweb-conferences-attending/
> 
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Re: [Evangelism] Plone Awards BoF at Plone Symposium East

[Karl Horak]

Thanks for the update.  I see Mark also responded off list overnight. 
Considering the current time frame (Budapest is sooner than one would like
to think), I have to agree that we probably should scale the 1st Awards back
so we can guarantee a successful maiden voyage and a repeat, if expanded,
performance in 2010.  Fewer categories?  Simplified self-nomination?  

Let's talk this week with Mark (and others, if they can join us) and get
definitive answers to your questions about process.  Tuesday, Thursday, and
Friday are best days to catch me.  Wednesday is the best evening.


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> Hey Karl,
> 
> I can sort of only vaguely respond to this :)
> 
> The BoFs were on Thursday after a long day, and I thought it might be  
> a good idea to start the BoF combined with the Evangelism group since  
> the folks who showed interest in Awards also signed up for the  
> Evangelism BoF.
> 
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Re: [Evangelism] Plone Awards BoF at Plone Symposium East

[Karl Horak]

Any word on how the Plone Awards BoF at PSE went and next steps for the
Awards?  
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Re: [Evangelism] report of the Plone Foundation booth at NTEN NTC conference in San Francisco

[Karl Horak]

All of you deserve our thanks for doing such a bang-up job at NTEN.  Even
from afar, I noticed a huge upswing in positive Twittering about Plone. 
When people are publicly saying they're "in love with Plone," you know
you've done something right. 

Also, tip o' the hat to everyone who's been good enough to respond to those
many tweets, especially the frustrated and negative ones.

Karl
 

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> 
> Thanks to Jon Stahl, Chris Johnson, David Brenneman, Ross Patterson
> and Alexander Limi for helping out at the booth!  
> 
> Nate
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[Evangelism] Plone vs Drupal Security

[Karl Horak]

There has been a Twitter exchange between David Straus and Alexander that has 
escalated onto Straus's blog  regarding the relative security merits of Drupal 
and Plone.  

In my last comment I seem to have hit a nerve because David replied, "Does 
Plone even have a system for reporting vulnerabilities in modular, 
community-maintained code?"  While I'm aware of Plone's bug tracking system and 
security-at-plone.org, I'm not actively involved with security issues as a core 
developer or an add-on product developer.  I thought I'd turn to the community 
for a reasoned reply to him.  Would someone kindly hop over to 
http://fourkitchens.com/blog/2009/04/03/vulnerability-reports-are-not-indications-weakness
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Re: [Evangelism] How would you position Plone?

[Karl Horak]

Dylan,

I think the subway map has the right of it:  Plone is at the confluence of
open source, enterprise CMS, social & community CMS, and web publishing CMS. 
Plone is the only one occupying those three subway lines (four counting
OSS).  

At my day-job, we have a very small web team handling dozens of sites for a
center with 280+ staff.  We can't be experts at WordPress, SharePoint,
Plone, Drupal, Joomla!, CommunityManager, and whatever soup of the day hits
some manager's fancy.  We need to have a generalized toolset that's very,
very customizable so that we can use that toolset very effectively to solve
a huge host of problems.  Plone-Zope-Python with a heavy dose of CSS is that
toolset.  

Plone leverages our investment in training and experience by letting our web
team produce community collaboration sites, multi-language sites, embedded
blogs, wikis, & discussion areas, and just plain static websites.  Reducing
the webmaster/developer role as much as practical lets content owners really
own their content.  Top that with a security and workflow model that
PHP-based systems can't approach and you can see why we use Plone in our
particular environment.  

What I see then is Plone wearing several hats.  In my situation, I need lots
of hats but I don't have time, staff, and funds to become expert at an
entire hat rack full of different styles.  I need secure, flexible,
reliable, open source CMS technology that is based on a limited but powerful
toolset.  

-- Karl


Dylan Jay-5 wrote:
> 
> My question is, where would you put Plone on that graph?
> 
> And should we accept we need to position plone more clearly?
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Re: [Evangelism] promoting WPD

[Karl Horak]

In Albuquerque, we've never had more than a Plone Users luncheon or happy
hour.  We took a baby step last year by using WPD to hold a
Python/Zope/Plone open house.  Our corporate daily newsletter gave us a
paragraph to explain that we were discussing content management and web
solutions to a variety of problems.  Our attendees were most of the local
Python community and many from the corporate web group.  Only when someone
arrived did they then learn that the event was a WPD one.  

This year we're going to expand our outreach into the broader community,
involve other Plone shops, and see how it goes.  I like the idea that Plone
is "quick web communication."  I also think we'll emphasize the intersection
of web content management, social software & collaboration, and enterprise
portal capabilities.  

If you explicitly promote WPD, I think you must be prepared to immediately
follow that up by answering the question, "What the heck is a Plone and why
should I care?"  We dodged that by calling the event one thing and using WPD
as the motivation, rationale, and the international "glue."

-- Karl


Chris Calloway wrote:
> 
> On 3/11/2009 1:35 PM, Scott Paley wrote:
>> Thinking more about this though, who does WPD target? Are we trying to
>> target those who don't have any idea what a CMS is?
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Re: [Evangelism] FW: Article on Boagworld.com CMS

[Karl Horak]

Thanks for posting this, Jon.

Dan, don't be shy.  I'm sure you would acquit yourself with honor in any
posting you might make in Plone's defense.  Sometimes all it takes is a
simple, "I use Plone and here's why it fits my use-case."  

Karl



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> 
> -Original Message-
> I did not think it would be appropriate for a newbie like me  to comment
> on Plone  
> there but thought just in case anyone from the Plone community should  
> respond or monitor I would pass it on.
> 
> cheers
> Dan
> 
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[Evangelism] How To Get Covered By Freelance Writers

[Karl Horak]

This from Darcy Hanning aka @geeklibrarian:

plone pr peeps, listen up: RT @estherschindler: good advice for PR people:
How To Get Covered By Freelance Writers http://is.gd/maRx

http://www.millerlittlejohnmedia.com/2009/02/17/how-to-get-covered-by-freelance-writers-part-1/
Part 1  and 
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Re: [Evangelism] Plone elevator pitches

[Karl Horak]

Jordan,

I've recently had several short interactions that called for highly crafted
elevator pitches.  One was to a senior corporate web staffer, another was to
my level one manager, and the last was to a senior manager.  Each needed an
answer to a different question.

Corp. Web staff:  How well has Plone been serving you and your customers
over the last four years?  

Direct Reporting Manager:  Web sites are a dime a dozen these days.  What
makes this Plone thing different?  How can we turn this capability into new
projects and departmental growth?  

Senior Manager:  Why should we be using these Web 2.0 technologies at all?  

As you can see, some people grok the Web and others don't.  Some see $$,
others don't.  Getting the context right for a reply is almost as important
as the elevator pitch itself.  

To be continued...

Karl



Jordan Baker-2 wrote:
> 
> But first we need some discussion on the "message".
> 
> Before we start writing though let's get some ideas flowing about who 
> needs information about Plone, what their values are and how Plone can 
> fulfill those values.
> 
> Target Roles: Developers, Managers, Web Admins, any others?
> Target Sectors: Government, Enterprise, Non-Profit, etc., others ?
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[Evangelism] Today's New York Times

[Karl Horak]

I see that the NYT has a piece on the Polytechnic University of New York
University's  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/nyregion/02open.html Drupal
Camp  today.  It carries a broader message of open source acceptance--worth
a read.  

It points out that other CMS are succeeding in getting their press releases
out to the mainstream media.  This is something I believe the Plone
community could do better at.  Certainly conference, symposia, and even
local Plone events should be preceded by press release(s) to the appropriate
channels.  

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Re: [Evangelism] UK government backs open source

[Karl Horak]

Matt,

Also recently in the news with both a UK and US spin is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7841486.stm

The  http://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies Open Source
Academy  lists a number of UK and EU sites.  The material is pre-2006, so
the list is probably much longer.  

http://www.openforumeurope.org/ Open Forum Europe  is another advocate of
open source in government.  Their 
http://osacademy.hosting.amaze.nl:8060/repository/resources/reports/ofe-2008-external-report.pdf
2008 report  (pdf), though short, makes for interesting reading.  

Finally, http://delicious.com/tag/plone-site+government returns 32 Plone
sites worldwide that appear to be used in government.  

Karl


Matt Hamilton wrote:
> 
> All,
>Just seen this:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7910110.stm
> 
> Very interesting as if you read towards the bottom they do seem to be  
> actually finally understanding the benefits of Open Source (not just  
> costs, but the flexibility).
> 
> I was wondering about putting together some kind or news article,  
> comment, press release, etc to follow this up.  It would be great if  
> we could jump on this whilst the iron is hot.
> 
> Has anyone else produced anything similar, or had similar experiences  
> in their country?
> 
> -Matt
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Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share

[Karl Horak]

Cal,

Since O'Reilly is largely invested in book sales, some back of the envelope
calculations with Amazon sales ranks gives me a feeling that Plone book
sales are roughly 1/12 of Drupal's.  Very, very, very approximate.  (I'll
have my quarterly Amazon stats blog posting up within the week.)  

Then there's 
http://www.waterandstone.com/downloads/2008OpenSourceCMSMarketSurvey.pdf Ric
Shreve's article  on CMS market share that actually ignores market share
sensu strictu and after lots of data gathering, comes up with a heuristic
that identifies WordPress, Drupal, and Joomla as CMS leaders. 
Unfortunately, he never calculates a market share for any of those,
including Plone, that he researched.  My feeling is that WordPress isn't a
CMS and Plone should be in the top 3.  

The fact that Plone was the 2008 Packt non-PHP CMS should count for
something, too.  See 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/11/drupal-plone-dotnetnuke.html my
blog  from last November about the inconsistency of comparing Drupal and
Joomla with Plone based on Packt's results.  

Karl


Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote:
> 
> "I'm not unwilling to test the waters, but can you give me an idea of  
> what you would consider the (Plone) market share to be?"
> 
> Where can I find this type of information so we can put together an  
> argument about why Plone should even get their coverage?
> 
> Cheers,
> Cal
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Re: Re: [Evangelism] proposal for plone awards

[Karl Horak]

For an example of an award that's strictly based on popularity, see 
http://shortyawards.com/about/ the Shorty Awards , recently held by the
Twitter folks.  A hybrid solution would be to have a people's choice award
in each category for the most popular, but have judges make the final call
for the canonical awards.  

Karl


Alexander Limi wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:31:14 -0800, Chris Calloway  
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally, my opinion is that it shouldn't be a simple popularity  
> contest, but rather be used as the basis from where the winners are  
> selected by the judges. This would make it more like the Oscars/Grammies  
> too — and make it possible to put the spotlight on people/project that get  
> less attention that they perhaps should have. :)
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Re: Re: [Evangelism] proposal for plone awards

[Karl Horak]

Please see http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plone.pony/.  Just set your text
color to blue.  :-D



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JoAnna Springsteen wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Donna M Snow  wrote:
>> Oh JoAnna, LOL, I Love your girly sense of humor, heehee
>> That so made my day
> 
> Girly?
> Django has ponies.
> Plone even has a pony.
> Absolutely nothing girly about liking ponies. I bet the plone pony is even
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[Evangelism] The Great Backyard Plone Count

[Karl Horak]

Its that time of year again, the time when the folks at the Audubon Society
ask birdwatchers everywhere to tally birds and submit their counts online at 
http://www.birdsource.org/gbbc/ their Plone-driven site .  The Great
Backyard Bird Count runs this Friday through Monday.  

In a bald-faced ripoff of their concept, this year I'm asking the Plone
community to do the same and help out with a self-reporting Plone census. 
Although the data will be statistically biased, it will give us some idea of
how many Plone intranet sites are out there hiding behind firewall.  It may
give us some comparison figures with the visible public Plone sites.  With
more data next year, we'll begin to track trends as well.  

There are more details at  http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/ my blog  and in
a short  http://docs.google.com/Presentation?docid=dhc25jrt_50gbm8bgd8&hl=en
Google Docs presentation .  Your data can be uploaded via a 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=py-ZRibpWMZVFrs1hhhE8Yg&hl=en
Google Docs form  or directly into the 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZVFrs1hhhE8Yg&hl=en summary
spreadsheet .  So take a few minutes' break from the binoculars and the
birdwatching this weekend to upload a few Plone URLs.  

Thanks in advance,  

Karl
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Re: [Evangelism] proposal for plone awards

[Karl Horak]

Matt,

I think this is a splendid way to raise visibility of Plone in general while
giving a much deserved tip o' the hat to hard working, creative developers,
designers, and even innovative users.  

Your proposal is much more effictive than my "Plone Metrics
Person-of-the-Year Award" every Dec. 31.  That one is entirely my call and
is basically worth a free beer if a winner can find me.(BTW, previous
winners were 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2007/12/plone-metrics-person-of-year_31.html
Alexander Limi  (2007) and 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/12/plone-metrics-person-of-year.html
Joel Burton  (2008).) 

Your concept provides a reasonably fair framework while rewarding a wide
spectrum of Plone talent.  I'll admit there'll be a certain amount of
overhead work, but the internal and external payoffs are large.

My only complaint is that "Ploney" rhymes with phony and that has pretty
negative connotations. I'd go with something straight-forward like "1st
Annual Plone Awards."  

Thanks for the well thought-out and detailed proposal.

Karl



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> 
> Proposal: 1st Annual Ploney Awards
> File under: Marketing, viral and social
> What is it: Lightweight, semi-serious recognition for outstanding  
> products, contributions and innovations in the Plone community in  
> several categories.
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Re: [Evangelism] WPD chat#1

[Karl Horak]

Its a Corporate security mandate that drives their policies.  I actually have
to drive home and use my personal resources if I need to use IRC. 
Unfortunately, I don't have a convenient block of time to duck out, join the
chat, and get back to the office.  

But thanks for the tip on Javascript chatting.  Perhaps I can get that to
work using one of the public computers in our visitor's business
center--they may not be blocked.

-- Karl


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> 
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:50:54 -0800, Karl Horak  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Alas, my day-job doesn't permit IRC use, but feel free to ping me with  
>> e-mail
>> during the discussion.
> 
> If it's not an "I can get fired if I visit certain webpages" issue, the  
> page at http://plone.org/support/chat gives you access without needing  
> open ports like an IRC client would — it's just a javascript application.
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Re: [Evangelism] WPD chat#1

[Karl Horak]

Alas, my day-job doesn't permit IRC use, but feel free to ping me with e-mail
during the discussion.  

Some of the post-mortim is at the 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en Google
Docs  summary or 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/11/world-plone-day-after-action-report.html
my blog .  

-- Karl


Roberto Allende wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> It would be nice if we meet on January 27th tuesday at 12pm (Timezone: 
> Pacific Time) in order to talk about:
> 
> - WPD 2008 post morten
> - WPD 2009 global organization
> 
> The talk is #plone-evangelism at irc.freenode.net. The schedulle is a 
> draft, we can discuss it during this week.
> 
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[Evangelism] Plone Certification

[Karl Horak]

As a result of some poking around in  http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ CMS Matrix ,
it  http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2009/01/cms-matrix-part-three.html
appeared to me  that a Plone certification program overseen by the
Foundation might be of value.  

Googling for "plone certification" over the past year turned up 14,200
results including Ofer Weisglass's early inquiry into the matter and a 
http://plone.org/foundation/meetings/minutes/minutes-april-3-2008-1/ 3 April
Board decision  to unanimously deny a combined use of Plone trademarks for a
technical certification exam and promotion of a proposed documentary.  

I realize that often certifications are looked down upon by the OS community
or, worse, used as a tool to merely "check the box" by unscrupulous
consultants.  Also, there are numerous alternative certifications out there
that cover much of the ground that a Certified Plone Professional would have
without the effort of managing such a program ourselves.  

(Happily, I see that the 
http://www.iai.hm.edu/how-to-implement-ifc/certification Implementer Support
Group  for the International Alliance for Interoperability certification
program uses Plone for its site.)  

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Re: [Evangelism] April 26, 2009 WPD ??

[Karl Horak]

+1 here


Donna Snow (SnowWrite)-2 wrote:
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> OK guys I did a little digging and it looks like the May 27th date
> conflicts
> with Penn State's Symposium
> 
> http://weblion.psu.edu/events/plone-symposium-east-2009
> 
> So how about we vote on the proposed April 28,2009??
> 
> So if you agree on April 28, 2009 (a Wednesday) then please respond to
> this
> thread with a +1
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Re: Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2009

[Karl Horak]

I'll add my Saturday morning two bits to an already over-constrained problem: 
My company has a 9-80 work schedule (9 days, 80 hrs, every-other Friday
off).  We miss half the company by having WPD on a Friday.  Of course this
doesn't apply to the city as a whole if we expand our ABQ outreach.  

Since we're an older demographic, WPD will not likely spill over into the
after-work hours.  I'd be perfectly happy with Wednesday.  

One more thought:  Budapest is 28 Oct. and backing up precisely 6 months
gets us 28 Apr.  

-- Karl



> I would recommend late April or very early May. Why? Because 
> universities typically have graduation the first weekend in May, after 
> which a large part of the audience for WPD scatters to the winds until
> fall.





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Re: [Evangelism] Should we be doing things like this?

[Karl Horak]

Calvin,

How did the Drupal webcast turn out?  I had signed up out of curiousity, but
events (mother's broken hip) overtook me.  I did see a "sorry you didn't
attend" message from the webcast system in my inbox, so they are paying
attention to all levels of follow-up.  

The webcast summary that they sent me after signing up looked fairly generic
and high-level.  What was your opinion of the presentation, its target
audience, its usefulness, and its message?

Karl


Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote:
> 
> Just caught this in my RSS reader and I have signed up to check it out  
> to see how this works.  I think it would be something that could be  
> pretty effective to get new folks engaged in Plone.
> 
> http://oreilly.com/emails/drupal-webcast.html
> 
> Cal
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Re: [Evangelism] plone for nonprofits slide deck

[Karl Horak]

I was looking at Jon Stahl's recently uploaded 
http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/contributed-marketing-materials/Plone-for-nonprofits-2008.ppt
slide deck for non-profits  and noticed his "shameless plug for 
https://www.packtpub.com/practical-plone-3-beginners-guide-to-building-powerful-websites/book
Practical Plone 3 . That jogged my memory and I went back to YouTube and
tracked down Jon's " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh3hlU97_wo Online
Social Networks: Can They Power Social Change? " video, a one-hour
collection of lightning talks.

Sure enough, presentation #4 was Alex Steffen's and he tells a tale of
marketing his organization's book.  The video is a little rough and it takes
awhile to get to the fourth talk, so I've 
http://www.travelschlepp.com/AlexSteffen.mp3 extracted the audio channel 
for those who like immediate gratification.

The gist of the matter is that Amazon's algorithm for sales rank includes
all pre-orders as part of the first day's total sales.  That means a
significant number of pre-orders can elevate a book very, very high on the
lists.  Alex used social networking to organize a pre-order campaign and the
result was that the book rolled out with an Amazon sales rank of 500
followed soon after by 38,000(!) copies being ordered.

Of course, this means we should run right over to 
http://www.amazon.com/s?field-keywords=practical%20plone%203 Amazon and
pre-order Practical Plone 3 .  The only problem is, the book is not yet
available on Amazon.  We're left with 
https://www.packtpub.com/practical-plone-3-beginners-guide-to-building-powerful-websites/book
pre-ordering directly from the Publisher , our good friends at Packt.

I'm not sure how Packt-published books make it into Amazon's system, but it
seems like a good idea to follow Steffen's example and pile up the
pre-orders on Amazon as soon as its available.  I'd appreciate hearing from
someone closer to the publishing process regarding the feasibility of this
strategy and when/if we might see pre-ordering available on Amazon for the
new edition of Practical Plone.

(Cross-posted 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/11/practical-plone-preorders.html on
my blog .)


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> 
> I created a fairly-generic "Plone for Nonprofits" slide deck for a webinar
> hosted today by NTEN (http://nten.org)... I thought I'd share with y'all,
> it's now up at:
> http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/contributed-marketing-materials
> 
> 
> Please feel free to remix and reuse.  Big thanks to Nate Aune, whose "# 
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> ideas from. 
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Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008

[Karl Horak]

Graham, 

Very cool online sticky notes at diigo.  Thanks for introducing it to me.  

I was spelling out numbers ten and under except at the beginning of a
sentence, but I agree, its probably a country-specific matter.  

You are correct about "Vietnam."  Interestingly, our colleague from there
spelled the city as "Ha Noi," but that appears to be westernized to "Hanoi"
in North America and Europe.  Don't know about France, though, because Hà
Nội is the transliteration I see in Wikipedia.  

The placement of the URLs ahead of the link is an interesting artifact of
embedded links here.  Compare with the version in 
http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/11/world-plone-day-after-action-report.html
my blog  to see what I thought would appear.  You are correct, though, in
that they should be true hyperlinks or else parenthetical after the term in
question.  

Along those lines (and I've seen it suggested elsewhere in the Plone
marketing notes), we should have an elevator speech for each sector-specific
category--business, education, science, government, NGOs, etc.  In most
cases I just linked to the appropriate support forum.  Plonegov.org is a
great example of what we should aspire to for each of these sectors.

Your other edits are all well considered and I would recommend anyone using
this release to make those changes.  Some of the improvements you suggest
are to text copied directly from plone.org.  I suggest that the marketing
community look into reflecting those enhancements back into the core
material.  

I, too, am not one who writes press releases and in fact don't have a clear
idea of what the next step is.  Hopefully Nate or Mark or someone else
knowledgeable will come to our rescue.  :-)

Cheers,

Karl


Graham Perrin wrote:
> 
> Hi ... suggestions in sticky notes at 
> . 
> 
> Where I have highlighted the numbers, some of the numbers below 100 might
> expressed as words, so for example 
> 
>> Forty of the sixty-one
> 
> but for sure, the grammatical rules may vary from country to country etc.
> so that's a very minor point. 
> 
> I don't do press releases but to me it does read nicely :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Graham
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Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008

[Karl Horak]

How's this for a start?  Feel free to edit heavily and/or translate.  Those
with good contacts in the media, kindly distribute this or other information
before WPD becomes last week's news.  Thanks.
_

News flash!

With 66% of the event sites reporting in, the first 
http://plone.org/events/wpd  World Plone Day  can claim success.  Friday 7
November was  http://plone.org/events/wpd  World Plone Day , a coordinated
worldwide series of meetups, seminars, and workshops.  Events were scheduled
from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Hanoi, Viet Nam with a healthy
representation in North America and Europe.  Truly an international day of
Plone, 30 countries on five continents were involved.  

http://plone.org/about/plone/  Plone  is a ready-to-run, open source content
management system that is built on the powerful and free Zope application
server. Plone is easy to set up, extremely flexible, and provides you with a
system for managing web content that is ideal for project groups,
communities, web sites, extranets and intranets.  

Forty of the 61 registered venues have reported in, showing a total of 982
participants who listened to 107 presenters.  Extrapolating to those sites
that have yet to record their guest count, perhaps 1500 participants world
wide were engaged in learning about Plone.  Over 40 companies sponsored
events throughout the globe, which were sanctioned by the not-for-profit 
http://plone.org/foundation Plone Foundation , the legal owner of the Plone
codebase, trademarks, and domain names. 

Activities ranged from small, informal gatherings with ad hoc presentations
to large, formal sessions with a half dozen presentations, refreshments, and
door prizes.  Brasilia, Brazil had the largest event with 128 attendees. 
Events were tied together in more than enthusiasm for Plone--live blogging,
Twitter, and streaming video were all used to interconnect participants.  

World Plone Day is anticipated to become an annual event to advocate the
benefits of using Plone in  http://plone.org/support/for/edu/ education , 
http://www.plonegov.org/ government , 
http://plone.org/support/for/nonprofits/ non-profit/non-governmental
organizations , and  http://plone.org/support/for/enterprise/ business . 
For more information, contact  http://plone.org/support/forums the Plone
support lists .  



Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
> 
> Definitely should be done, no later than this Friday.
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Re: [Evangelism] World Plone Day 2008

[Karl Horak]

>From the results piling in at
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en, it
looks like 835 attendees were reported at 33 venues.  Extrapolating to the
60 pre-registered venues, we may have had over 1500 attendees world-wide. 
Brasilia, Brazil is still top of the chart with 128 attendees.  

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Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD

[Karl Horak]

Thanks, Nate.  I was not aware of that feature--it looks pretty cool.  I'll
be sure to try that the next time I'm requesting info.  

As it stands, we now (WPD+4) have 15 responses out of 60 WPD venues.  493
confirmed attendees.  That's an average of almost 33 attendees per venue. 
If one extrapolates to 60 sites, that's 1972 visitors(!).  Largest event so
far:  128 people attending the WPD at Brasilia, Brazil.  (Tip o' the hat to
whoever added the summary formulae to the spreadsheet.)  

Any way you slice the numbers, WPD was a success, especially considering it
was our first go at this.  

For those of you who hosted an event and haven't submitted results, kindly
see http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg&hl=en. 
We're accumulating some really useful textual lessons-learned as well as raw
attendance numbers.  

Karl


Nate Aune wrote:
> 
> Karl - do you know about the forms feature that is new with Google  
> Spreadsheets? This might be a more simple and safe way to collect the  
> data than having folks edit the raw table cells.
> 
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Re: Re: [Evangelism] Lessons learned from the first World Plone Day

[Karl Horak]

Donna,

Consider connecting with computer science faculty at a local community
college.  They often have free access to unscheduled facilities when the
general public does not.  Partnering with faculty can also drive up interest
with students.  

As an adjunct professor at the College of Santa Fe, I have free use of a
mega-classroom (~125 seats) and four 20-seat computer labs, all with
projection equipment.  CSF-Albuquerque focuses on evening and weekend
classes, so daytime use is easily worked out.  Then again, I may be
incredibly fortunate to have such a cool benefit from CSF.  

(BTW, look for an ABQ Sprint next year to take advantage of CSF space as
well.)  

Also, some public libraries have available public meeting space for groups
your size.  

Best of luck,

Karl


Donna Snow (SnowWrite)-2 wrote:
> 
> The event was expensive for me (nearly $1,000 when all was said and done).
> It's difficult to find free space in this area. Google wasn't willing to
> provide a space and most universities I contacted (believe it or not)
> wanted
> to charge an hourly rate for the event. The other thing I realized is we
> (the Plonista's in this area) really need to get out there and promote the
> living daylights out of Plone. We are not as "Plone" friendly in this area
> (unlike some of our European counterparts). So next year we start earlier
> and I try harder to find a location that is free (or very low cost).
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Re: [Evangelism] Postmortem for WPD

[Karl Horak]

I just put a  http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=py-ZRibpWMZXMgI9P-XXweg
spreadsheet up on Google Docs  with the listing of participating cities and
requesting number of attendees, number of presenters/hosts, any notes of
interest, and the other columns Donna suggested.  If you hosted a WPD event,
kindly hop over and enter your stats.  

When this gets filled in, we should move the info over to the Open Plans
pages.  

Thanks in advance


Donna Snow (SnowWrite)-2 wrote:
> 
> If you have data you want me to capture in a survey or a spreadsheet
> please
> feel free to send my way.
> 
> How many you expected, how many rsvp'd and how many actually showed up..
> what you gave away (did you provide food or not) whatever logistics you
> think will help us plan for next time.
> 
> Maybe best if we just do it on Open Plans Wiki??
> 
> Donna
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Re: [Evangelism] Lessons learned from the first World Plone Day

[Karl Horak]

The 2009 World Conference will be announced on Dec. 12 and hopefully that
will include a scheduled week.  I suggest waiting a month until we know more
about that.  However, for a first approximation, I see that 6 and 13 Nov.
are possibilities (if you're not afraid of Friday the Thirteenth).  

-- Karl



Jan Ulrich Hasecke-2 wrote:
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> 
> 3. More time to prepare the World Plone Day
> 
> The DZUG e.V. (German Zope User Group) is planning its annual  
> schedule in late december or early january. In 2008 the WPD-idea came  
> too late for us, so that we could not support our community in an  
> optimal way. For our annual plan for 2009 it is crucial to know  
> whether and when apporximately there will be a WPD in 2009.
> 
> I would propose to have a WPD not too late in the year, to avoid  
> conflicts with the Plone Conference, but I am fine with a World Plone  
> Day in next years november again.
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Re: [Evangelism] cmsmatrix.org

[Karl Horak]

Geir,

I'm not sure what the administrative process is to transfer maintenance of
cmsmatrix, but since I'm in there often, trolling for CMS statistics, it
makes sense for me to volunteer.  Probably easiest to finish up the
administrivia off the list.  

Karl


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> Can someone volunteer to take over the maintenance of the Plone entry  
> at http://www.cmsmatrix.org?
> It needs updating every year or so. — And it receives roughly 2 emails  
> per year from the feedback form.
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RE: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone

[Karl Horak]

No apologies necessary, Howard.  As a statistician, I stumbled upon your site 
looking for online data points, and as a Plone implementer I felt your pain.  
When our Python guru left, we wandered around in the wilderness for quite a few 
months but eventually found a balance.  It can be very lonely trying to keep a 
Plone instance healthy.

Oddly enough, it was an exploit of a cross-site scripting vulnerability that 
forced us through a painful and hurried upgrade from 2.1 to 2.5, but once on 
the other side, things have gone much more smoothly.  Alas, one of our portals 
didn't survive the migration and failed.  The other 30 or so have done well.  
We have funding budgeted for the move to 3.x this year under less pressure.  
  I'm sure our single sys admin breaks out in a cold sweat every time I 
remind him that when 3.2 is stable, we'll need to migrate our 2.5 production 
environment.

My initial reaction was to see if there was help out there in the Plone 
community for your specific problems.  Secondarily was the desire to see the 
Plone support structure continue to improve itself.

UNM's Earth Data Analysis Center here in Albuquerque drifted away from Plone as 
they required ever more highly customized Python applications.  By chance, a 
State Dept.-funded project (wacsi.unm.edu) that had a critical need for 
English-Arabic dual language capabilities pushed Plone back into the mix.  Even 
so, a CMS like Plone may not fit the typical use-case for GIS developers.  I'll 
be interesting to see where this all leads in the GIS-Plone world.

I hope Kim, Chris, and others continue to interact with you and provide useful 
technical assistance.  Perhaps your Plone site will survive into 3.1 and 
beyond.  One good thing about all this is that the Plone community is looking 
inside itself to see how it can better structure its support and organize its 
documentation for admins such as yourself.  I was very pleased with the timely 
response that my intial posting raised on the Plone boards.

Best,

Karl


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On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:

> On 11/2/2008 11:40 PM, T. Kim Nguyen wrote:
>> Here, with his permission, is the start of an email exchange with
>> Howard Butler at umn...
>
> I count myself a member of the MapServer community (there are
> *several* Plone integrators in the MapServer community) and there
> are some things you should know about this.
>
> One is:
>
> http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/community/polls/website-future/questionnaire_view_results

I have edited the RFC to no longer denigrate Plone.  My frustrations
were misplaced, and I'm sorry for taking it out on the Plone project.

http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46

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Re: Re[Evangelism] ach out, mediation, guidance and Plone world peace: recent examples of the process and of products

[Karl Horak]

Graham, 

Thanks for all the suggested options--they're all good ones.  As you point
out, it would be nice if there was sort of one-stop shopping for all this.  

Re:  Mediation.  I agree that interposing one's self between tech adviser
and customer would be dangerous and probably counter-productive.  However,
its possible that there might be an ombudsman role in all this.  

Mostly I'm concerned about the damage that can be caused by run-away
negative web comments if they are not identified and, if possible,
remediated.  Certainly erroneous blogs need to be corrected; inaccuracies
and misstatements clarified.  I see this kind of activity by the Plone
community members all the time, especially by Board members.  

Best, 

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[Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone

[Karl Horak]

While trolling the web for Plone stats, I came across a seriously negative
webpage (on a Plone site!?) obviously by a frustrated Plone user.  His web
posting is titled "Operation Ditch Plone."  Please see 
http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46
http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46 .  This item is a
Sept. 2008 posting with nothing new being added recently, so there may be
time for a positive intervention.  This brings to mind two issues.

1)  Specifically, how can the Plone community reach out and help Howard and
his users?  Can this Plone site be saved?  

2)  More generally, how can we locate and identify frustrated Plone admins
and mitigate any negativity?  Can we set up a formal process to track sites
in danger of falling off the Plone wagon?  Would it be possible to assign a
POC who could act as a liaison between their admin(s) and Plone tech
support?  

I think it would be valuable if the Plone community had a process that
tracks frustrated users and implementers, reach out to them even when they
haven't asked or don't know how to ask for help, give them the TLC they
need, and minimize the consequences of failed Plone projects.  

Some of the input that identifies floundering Plone sites would come from
the technical support lists and channels, but some could come from people
who stumble upon negative blogs and rants on the web.  

I'd appreciate hearing from others about if and/or how we should be
attempting this.  If someone with a stronger server admin background wants
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Re: [Evangelism] SPI vs Plone Foundation

[Karl Horak]

Jon Stahl wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't think the Foundation has an obligation to respond to any questions
> that aren't posed to it directly. ;-)
> 
> 

Thanks to all for the helpful discussion.  In the interest of completeness,
here is Ray's original question verbatim:  

I'm standing for election to the board of Software in the Public Interest
this month, so I was wondering how many LinkedIn users who contribute to
free and open source software have joined? If so, why? If not, what's
stopping you?

LinkedIn members can view the various answers 
http://www.linkedin.com/answers?viewQuestion=&questionID=282555&askerID=13386346&trk=advq&goback=%2Emqr_false_1_DATE%2Emid_697469423
at this link .  

Meanwhile, I've come away from this with a much better understanding of what
the PF does and the motivations for it.  


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[Evangelism] SPI vs Plone Foundation

[Karl Horak]

In a recent LinkedIn dialog, I replied to a MR Ray about why I was not a
member of SPI (Software in the Public Interest, Inc.).  I explained that the
Plone Foundation handles the same functionality without the distraction of
numerous disjointed smaller projects vying for attention and funding.  

Ray replied, "Playing devil's advocate: Why isn't the Plone Foundation just
a waste of money duplicating overheads (bank fees, corporation filing fees,
...) when Plone could be part of SPI? Is debian (SPI's largest project)
really smaller than Plone?"  

I encourage someone from the Foundation who is in LinkedIn (Nate?) to
respond to Ray.  

Re:  Is Debian smaller than Plone?  My research shows attendance at a recent
Debian conference to be ~250, which is considerably smaller than Plone
conference attendance.  Does anyone else have any comparison points for the
size of the Debian community when compared with Plone?

 

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[Evangelism] SourceForge Community Choice Nominations

[Karl Horak]

OK, I know Plone has moved from SourceForge to LaunchPad.net, but its that
time of year--the time when every Plonista needs to hop over to SourceForge
and nominate their favorite open-source projects for the Community Choice
Awards. I personally nominated Plone for Best Project, Best for Educators,
and Most Likely to Change the World. Perhaps the Plone for Educators
buildout should be used for the Best for Educators nomination, so feel free
to leave a comment with your thoughts and nominations can be coordinated. 

http://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-nominate
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[Evangelism] NOLA Plone Symposium remote support

[Karl Horak]

I know many of you reading this will be at the New Orleans Symposium next
week.  Unfortunately, I won't be, although one of my colleagues will likely
be there (if we can cut through all the administrivia in the next few days).  

Even so, I thought I'd put on my Plone advocacy hat and volunteer in a
remote role.  If members of the Plone community need some statistical number
crunching, graphics, data mining, or whatever, let me know and I'd be glad
to crank on things this weekend or next week.  


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Re: [Evangelism] Marketing Questions

[Karl Horak]

By my way of reckoning, Plone is rolling out new major releases every 352
days (http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/03/plone-symposium-east.html). 
I've taken some liberties with the data to normalize the fact that 2.5 was
really a major release.  


Spanky-2 wrote:
> 
> Q: Indicate frequency of new releases
> 
> A: http://plone.org/products/plone/releases
> I am trying to get dates for these releases, but this gives you an  
> idea of how many and why
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