Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
The parallels are astonishing: The Byzantines were materially and probably morally exhausted after the wars against the Sassanid empire in the 700 We are now morally exhausted after the cold war by the soviet directed leftist propaganda. Now the left, without some central guidance is running amok. I know that the sovietic empire, contrary to common belief and contrary to the image that they cultivated, promoted the moderate leftist in the West, most of the time, since they needed to appeal to the majority in a gradual way towards socialism and communism. Now the left is in histherical phase . The URRS was a stabilizing counterbalance needed for the affirmation of values of the westerners. I doubt that 2015-07-11 17:35 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: Icke is an interesting, but paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element from the Islamic World causes a 4th world war (The Cold War was actually WW3), then it is not any member of the Uma's fault, but instead the weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so called' Western leaders. Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with disappointment, because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of the so-called West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone else.As Bin Laden said, People like the stronger horse. Leaders here are so weak, that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III? Begin forwarded message: ISIS The Start of World War III? David Icke interview Video link: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
I doubt that there is enough determination to fight for anything here. The elites are the worst in centuries, only care about their own families and the New World Order, and I do not doubt that they welcome anything that destroy us. They prefer to reign over dumb brainless specialized porks than over people conscious of their freedom and their history and identity. Their main target are the ones of us that still resist them. 2015-07-12 10:37 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: The parallels are astonishing: The Byzantines were materially and probably morally exhausted after the wars against the Sassanid empire in the 700 We are now morally exhausted after the cold war by the soviet directed leftist propaganda. Now the left, without some central guidance is running amok. I know that the sovietic empire, contrary to common belief and contrary to the image that they cultivated, promoted the moderate leftist in the West, most of the time, since they needed to appeal to the majority in a gradual way towards socialism and communism. Now the left is in histherical phase . The URRS was a stabilizing counterbalance needed for the affirmation of values of the westerners. I doubt that 2015-07-11 17:35 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: Icke is an interesting, but paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element from the Islamic World causes a 4th world war (The Cold War was actually WW3), then it is not any member of the Uma's fault, but instead the weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so called' Western leaders. Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with disappointment, because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of the so-called West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone else.As Bin Laden said, People like the stronger horse. Leaders here are so weak, that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III? Begin forwarded message: ISIS The Start of World War III? David Icke interview Video link: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: A riddle for John Clark
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:46 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: It's about continuity of consciousness above all else, and the labels change nothing about that. Labels are what gives meanings to words and all the arguments you have made on this list are made of words, so now you're saying the meanings of those words are not important and can be changed to mean anything. Well you can do that with your words if you want, but I'm not going to do it with mine. John k Clark I'm not saying the meanings of words are not important. You must be out of arguments. Terren -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: May be of interest
On 11 Jul 2015, at 07:35, LizR wrote: http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2015/06/relativitys-time-dilation-may-limit-the-quantum-world/ That paper might put Roger Penrose in the superposition state Happy + Not-Happy. Happy because, simplifying a little bit, the paper would show that gravitation do collapse the wave, after all. Not-Happy, because it shows this in a mechanical way without contradicting the linearity (of evolution and tensor product), so if the experiment confirms this, it would add evidences on the many- universe idea. They would just already differentiate along the time dilation. The multiverse would be multi-curvatures. Good news, also, to learn that Dark Matter might self-interact. It makes it a bit more ... familiar. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/04/new-evidence-that-dark-matter-could-be-self-interacting/ I guess it will take time before we can compare what we take as physical and geographical around us by extrapolation from observation, and what can be physical and geographical around Universal Turing Machine. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
It may be as you have suggested. What the world lacked backed then, was the computer revolution, which will eventuate soon, in a revolution like none other. I am guessing that whatever ISIS or some other enemy will be over-taken by this technology. A new technology that will be able, with some human help, to invent and uncover new things. On the other hand, if one's family is part of likely, on-coming attacks (which I suspect are on the way), then having a perfected artificial heart, may be of no consolation. Rank me as kind of pessimistic in that department, because as Bin Laden said, People naturally like the stronger horse. Many peoples have always worshipped power, and have, or had, contempt for the weak. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 4:38 am Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? The parallels are astonishing: The Byzantines were materially and probably morally exhausted after the wars against the Sassanid empire in the 700 We are now morally exhausted after the cold war by the soviet directed leftist propaganda. Now the left, without some central guidance is running amok. I know that the sovietic empire, contrary to common belief and contrary to the image that they cultivated, promoted the moderate leftist in the West, most of the time, since they needed to appeal to the majority in a gradual way towards socialism and communism. Now the left is in histherical phase . The URRS was a stabilizing counterbalance needed for the affirmation of values of the westerners. I doubt that 2015-07-11 17:35 GMT+02:00 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com: Icke is an interesting, but paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element from the Islamic World causes a 4th world war (The Cold War was actually WW3), then it is not any member of the Uma's fault, but instead the weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so called' Western leaders. Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with disappointment, because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of the so-called West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone else.As Bin Laden said, People like the stronger horse. Leaders here are so weak, that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III? Begin forwarded message: ISIS The Start of World War III? David Icke interview Video link: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: ISIS The Start of World War III?
No I am objecting to the making of ISIS into the central existential problem that must define our times; they are a largely regional phenomenon (with a certain internet reach resulting from their use of graphic brutality). The planet earth has far more serious existential problems than ISIS. ISIS is a side freak show – a freak show of extreme brutality for sure, but a freak show never the less. If Saudi/Kuwaiti funding was shut off the monster would quickly dry up and wither away. ISIS is Iraq’s problem, it is Syria’s problem, it is Iran’s or the Kurd’s problem perhaps, but it is not and never will amount to an existential military threat against the West. I do not see any good reason why our country should become even more involved in this mess than it already is – having largely been responsible for the creation of the conditions which led to the evolution of these psychopath monsters in the first place. ISIS (nor anything like it) did not exist under the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein lest we forget; the Baathist regime was an implacable enemy of Islamic fundamentalism; it was a Stalinist regime in fact (a very different animal). The US (in its infinite wisdom) utterly destroyed the Baathist regime in a series of bloody expensive wars and a ten year long occupation of Iraq; ISIS is the predictable blowback of Abu Ghraib and the US occupation of Iraq during the first decade of this millennium. Now, I am not extolling the Baathist regime as a paradigm of humanism (though woman and Christians, to cite some examples, had far more rights and opportunity under Saddam Hussein’s Iraq than they do in the Iraqi “freedom” the US so kindly brought to their land). The US should focus more on taking care of our own country and let other people sort out their own destinies. Let Iran handle ISIS (and to a degree ISIS is a proxy war between the Gulf Arab regimes and the Iranians); why should we bloody our hands in this mess? ISIS is no existential threat to the US and if we stood out of the way (or as we are to some extent to continue to provide discreet logistical and air support) Iranian and Kurdish backed forces from one side and Syrian/Hezbollah forces from the other side will keep ISIS very well contained. Those who seek to learn about the rise of ISIS need to understand the roles played by these various regional actors prominently including: Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf states in fomenting ISIS as a tool to destroy the Baathist Syrian regime – and seen in the larger context of an arc of struggle between Saudi, Turkish and Iranian influence broken down largely along sectarian lines. -Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:53 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? I don't think this is Manicheanism, You are objecting to fact that ISIS does bad things, or that people oppose the bad things that ISIS does? The leadership of the US especially, view passivity on the US part, as an unalloyed virtue. On the other hand, with the president's involvement wit Iran (read the news tomorrow) may have decided to adopt a let em kill each other, policy in which Sunni's and Shia, massacre each other. Perhaps with the thought that with enough war and massacre's maybe a calm will then take place? -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 9:48 pm Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? Who elected you dispenser of prizes, ignobal or otherwise…. net nanny? As you make clear by your own subsequent words I can see you must be a fellow sufferer of the Manichean delusion, speaking in those exaggerated apocalyptic tongues you types favor. Thanks, but no thanks… I don’t need, desire or see the fruit in your peculiar kind of religion; mind set; world view… whatever you wish to call it. It is not based on a rational analysis of actual geopolitical strength, but rather appeals to irrational Manichean idiocy and lurid anecdotal tales told over and over again. This world of ours is enough of a tinder box already without the added idiocy of war mongering nutters – like ISIS as well -- wanting to ignite another crusade/jihad. I hope this makes my opinion even clearer to you. Just in case, in typical Manichean fashion you use my complete rejection of your hyperbolic world view, as a rhetorical hammer to try to shape me into some kind of sympathizer or something vaguely treasonous sounding – as your fellow crusader spudboy has in fact insinuated in my case on numerous previous occasions – let me – a priori – make it clear that my current complete rejection of your insane fallacy does not imply any kind of support or tolerance of the medieval minded brutality of the murderous
Re: A riddle for John Clark
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You know in Helsinki with certainty (accepting comp But I do not accept “comp”. I don't see any problem. Just play with words. Logic is playing with symbols according to certain rules, and words are symbols. is that it is never specified who is making this all important 1p and 3p distinction. The guy in Helsinki when trying to evaluate what to expect from the experiential view. And how many experiential views will the guy in Helsinki have after duplication? Two. But of course ICT3PAT1P. We have already agreed that both the W-guy and the M-guy are the Helsinki man. Then what the hell are we arguing about?! The problem is that there is no such thing as *THE* 1p, there is only *A* 1p. There is the 1p of the W-guy, and the 1p of the M-guy Yes, and you just said BOTH the W-guy AND the M-guy are the H-guy. and as first person experience they are incoptaible. Incompatible from each other but NOT incompatible from the Helsinki Man, Who will *experience* two-cities? The Helsinki Man. Nobody ever experience two cities” Then “The Helsinki Man” doesn’t mean what you just said it means. So what does it mean now? It is not a Leibnizian identity Well duh! If a Leibnizian identity is a requirement for survival they you will not survive the next 5 seconds. as we have also agreed that after the duplication, the Helsinki man has two incompatible continuations Incompatible with each other but not incompatible with the Helsinki Man, and it’s the Helsinki Man you were asking about. But yeah yeah I know, ICT3PAT1P. We do agree on the notion of personal identity. Apparently not. So I repeat my question, if Bruno Marchal doesn't mean someone who remembers being Bruno Marchal yesterday then who the hell are you? I am the guy who has BM's private memory. And the Moscow Man has the Helsinki Man’s private memories and the Washington Man has the Helsinki Man’s private memories. So why aren't they The Helsinki MEN? Oh yes, because ICT3PAT1P . being duplicated would not change that. I agree. There is absolutely no law of physics that forbids more than one guy having that private memory, the only reason that sort of thing is not common is due to technological limitations It would just bifurcate my future and introduce an indeterminacy on which future I will live. The use of ambiguous personal pronouns comes so easily that Bruno doesn't even seem to realize that Bruno is using them; it's like breathing, thought is required for neither activity. You are the one introducing again and again the same ambiguity by confusing the 3p views and the 1p views. Yeah yeah I know, I Confuse The 3P And The 1P, but I keep telling you it will save time if you use the acronym ICT3PAT1P. And we all know you love acronyms He means the guy who has been in Helsinki and has the corresponding memory, And there are TWO people who have that memory, Yes, that is why there is an indeterminacy. The Helsinki Man means having that memory and we agree that TWO people who have that memory, so The Helsinki Man is two people, so the Helsinki Man sees both cities. I see no indeterminacy in that, everything is specified, but yeah yeah I know, ICT3PAT1P. those TWO people live in different cities, and if we accept your definition of he then it doesn't take a Kurt Godel to form the logical conclusion that he will see TWO cities. In the 3-1 view, but he will never see two cities” Then “he” doesn’t mean what you just said it does, “he” can’t mean somebody who remembers being the Helsinki Man. The question asked back in Helsinki was what cities will he see tomorrow, so if asked yesterday back in Helsinki what he meant what would be the correct answer? On second thought never mind, don't bother answering I already know what you will say, you will start babbling about *THE* 1p even though after duplication there is no such thing as *THE* 1p there is only *A* 1p; but of course ICT3PAT1P. There is no atoms of ambiguity, as I specify the type of view on which the expectations are evaluated. Big talk, so I repeat my challenge that you refused to accept last time, run through the entire duplicating procedure from start to finish WITHOUT using ambiguous personal pronouns and WITH the correct usage of the words “the” and “a”. I’m betting you can't do it without tripping over your own logic. how many cities did the Helsinki man see? Two in the third description of the 1-views of the survivors. One, in each first person view of each experiencers. And now the Helsinki Man now has TWO experiencers because the Helsinki Man has been duplicated. Pop Quiz: How much is 1+1? of course they are now different person Yes. and both the W and the M man see only once city. Yes. So you agree that P(W or M) = 1 My agreement depends on if that is a exclusive OR. and
Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
I don't think this is Manicheanism, You are objecting to fact that ISIS does bad things, or that people oppose the bad things that ISIS does? The leadership of the US especially, view passivity on the US part, as an unalloyed virtue. On the other hand, with the president's involvement wit Iran (read the news tomorrow) may have decided to adopt a let em kill each other, policy in which Sunni's and Shia, massacre each other. Perhaps with the thought that with enough war and massacre's maybe a calm will then take place? -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 9:48 pm Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? Who elected you dispenser of prizes, ignobal or otherwise…. net nanny? As you make clear by your own subsequent words I can see you must be a fellow sufferer of the Manichean delusion, speaking in those exaggerated apocalyptic tongues you types favor. Thanks, but no thanks… I don’t need, desire or see the fruit in your peculiar kind of religion; mind set; world view… whatever you wish to call it. It is not based on a rational analysis of actual geopolitical strength, but rather appeals to irrational Manichean idiocy and lurid anecdotal tales told over and over again. This world of ours is enough of a tinder box already without the added idiocy of war mongering nutters – like ISIS as well -- wanting to ignite another crusade/jihad. I hope this makes my opinion even clearer to you. Just in case, in typical Manichean fashion you use my complete rejection of your hyperbolic world view, as a rhetorical hammer to try to shape me into some kind of sympathizer or something vaguely treasonous sounding – as your fellow crusader spudboy has in fact insinuated in my case on numerous previous occasions – let me – a priori – make it clear that my current complete rejection of your insane fallacy does not imply any kind of support or tolerance of the medieval minded brutality of the murderous lunatics of ISIS. Just so we are clear on this, and because this is a usual rhetorical tactic that war junkies commonly use against those who publicly oppose their agenda. Now speaking directly to your facile and childish disparaging of the term “psychological mind ghosts”. If you actually knew the mind – instead of merely pontificating about it, which you seem to do a lot of -- you would know that there is quite a bit of evidence that our minds are inhabited by numerous zombie neural processes, of which we remain consciously unaware; these are our mind ghosts; they are ghosts in our minds. We – the conscious self-aware part of ourselves at least -- are to a large degree informed and formed by these dynamically evolving entities comprised of synchronized neural firing networks. They can take dynamic movies of these neural firing networks evolving as thoughts form and perception is perceived! If we did not have any ghosts in our minds; would we have any minds at all? Those who think their self-aware minds are comprised by the narrative voice in their heads alone, are suggestive of those who, for so long believed the celestial bodies revolved around the earth. If, in fact, you accept that by far most of who you are actually occurs outside of the boundaries of your own self-aware narrative (and narrator); then why on earth would you feel that “psychological mind ghosts” was just an insult, worthy of your net nanny interventionist response, awarding me the most Ignobal prize – so kind of you to do that really. More people die of bee stings… bathtub falls… and certainly far more people die and become horribly wounded in traffic accidents than people dying by this kind of terrorism; yet you seem to want to raise it up on the altar of some bloody crusade around which we must all align ourselves marching lemming like over the cliffs of oblivion. Excuse me, but I am going to pass on that world view, and I will continue to ridicule it as well; it is a world view most richly deserving of ridicule. Let us laugh together… for it is patently ridiculous that ISIS poses an existential threat to the USA, or even to your own country Australia. Unless you are living in Syria or Iraq, or somewhere that is too close to the small region where ISIS has the logistical ability to pose a threat then it is not a threat and to insist that it must be our most existential cause around which we must all rally… well that just reeks of fascism to me. Yours truly, -Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? On 12 Jul 2015, at 3:09 am, 'Chris de Morsella'
Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
I am here to free your mind -Morpheus -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 9:53 pm Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? Only you can free yourself from the unhealthy war paranoia that seethes -- largely unexamined -- within your mind. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? Thanks dr. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 01:09 PM Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? You suffer from raving psychological mind ghosts; carefully nurtured paranoid Manichean delusions brought upon by the ingestion of too much war propaganda. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:36 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? Icke is an interesting, but paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element from the Islamic World causes a 4th world war (The Cold War was actually WW3), then it is not any member of the Uma's fault, but instead the weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so called' Western leaders. Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with disappointment, because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of the so-called West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone else.As Bin Laden said, People like the stronger horse. Leaders here are so weak, that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III? Begin forwarded message: ISIS The Start of World War III? David Icke interview Video link: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To
Re: ISIS The Start of World War III?
All well and good, but I am surmising that you underestimate the vindictiveness from others, who see life differently than yourself. For instance, the European epoch of imperialism, which we all know about, is shameful look backwards for the Europeans. For the Islamic expansions of the 7th century, the move into the Indian subcontinent, the push into southeast asia, are considered a glorious time for the Uma. It is considered a thing of great pride. The re-establishment of the Caliphate, would get the community back into the grace of Allah, and its return would be a sign from God that He is smiling down, and is pleased by His people. You and I don't agree with this point of view, but I respect that this view is their truth. I accept it as I must accept a natural calamity like an earthquake of a plague. If you are asking whether it will be ISIS puling the trigger on the Qufar? It might happen that way, and they do sell oil, so they have finance. They also have audacity, which sometimes wins the day. But I am not planning US foreign policy or am a defense department analyst. I do know that if one despises somebody intensely, enough, they will go for the jugular. There are different ways to defend the country. One would be applied green energy systems, at first for emergencies like power outages, another, would be to yes, do the shale thing, but also consider methane powered vehicles, and yes biogas powered vehicles and homes. This could be a national program and worth paying for, and thus, better insulate the US, or Australia, Japan, etc, from let us say, the closure of the straight of Hormuz. Remember, the question was originally posed about the strength of ISIS, and I focused on the weakness of the current world leaders, and so far, their weakness has empowered ISIS, and other actors in the world. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:57 pm Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? No I am objecting to the making of ISIS into the central existential problem that must define our times; they are a largely regional phenomenon (with a certain internet reach resulting from their use of graphic brutality). The planet earth has far more serious existential problems than ISIS. ISIS is a side freak show – a freak show of extreme brutality for sure, but a freak show never the less. If Saudi/Kuwaiti funding was shut off the monster would quickly dry up and wither away. ISIS is Iraq’s problem, it is Syria’s problem, it is Iran’s or the Kurd’s problem perhaps, but it is not and never will amount to an existential military threat against the West. I do not see any good reason why our country should become even more involved in this mess than it already is – having largely been responsible for the creation of the conditions which led to the evolution of these psychopath monsters in the first place. ISIS (nor anything like it) did not exist under the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein lest we forget; the Baathist regime was an implacable enemy of Islamic fundamentalism; it was a Stalinist regime in fact (a very different animal). The US (in its infinite wisdom) utterly destroyed the Baathist regime in a series of bloody expensive wars and a ten year long occupation of Iraq; ISIS is the predictable blowback of Abu Ghraib and the US occupation of Iraq during the first decade of this millennium. Now, I am not extolling the Baathist regime as a paradigm of humanism (though woman and Christians, to cite some examples, had far more rights and opportunity under Saddam Hussein’s Iraq than they do in the Iraqi “freedom” the US so kindly brought to their land). The US should focus more on taking care of our own country and let other people sort out their own destinies. Let Iran handle ISIS (and to a degree ISIS is a proxy war between the Gulf Arab regimes and the Iranians); why should we bloody our hands in this mess? ISIS is no existential threat to the US and if we stood out of the way (or as we are to some extent to continue to provide discreet logistical and air support) Iranian and Kurdish backed forces from one side and Syrian/Hezbollah forces from the other side will keep ISIS very well contained. Those who seek to learn about the rise of ISIS need to understand the roles played by these various regional actors prominently including: Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf states in fomenting ISIS as a tool to destroy the Baathist Syrian regime – and seen in the larger context of an arc of struggle between Saudi, Turkish and Iranian influence broken down largely along sectarian lines. -Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:53 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ISIS The
