Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

The way I view this  is that the separation from Britain was a way for the 
White Aryans (using the old nazi phrasing) for their brethren in the United 
Kingdom, who treated them so viciously. (The Royals) that that had departed 
British shores, and then when British law was unfairly applied, infuriated the 
locals as well it should have. To wit, the Royals had long since treating their 
countrymen like shit warmed over.
The United States was a fix, specifically, for the Colonials, yes, specifically 
the large land owners to start with. Had the Royals, George the 3rd and his 
offspring treated the Yanks a bit better, I suspect Dr. Crowell, you'd be 
voting Labor, and for me, Farage. For the Blacks, the Asians, the Native 
Americans, doubtless for the Roman Catholics in Maryland, the Jews, well, we 
weren't even on the charts (speaking nautically). Then it becomes a question, 
how rapidly can you adapt. Losing two wars to the US in 1783 & 1816 had a 
salutary effect for the British people in 1832. It was just the losses to the 
US bringing changes to the UK, it was expanding UK middle class as 
well.https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/politics/g6/In the US, the 
trick was making the Founders and their descendants live up to their noble 
wordings. In the US, it also took a civil war 80 years later. The UK had sided 
with the South for the demand for cotton and tobacco, despite their rigorous 
pursuit of eliminating the slave trade, in the Atlantic, staring in 1838. 
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/politics/g6/

So what for now, what for today? All I can say professor, is that as citizens 
of this nation state we agree on nothing, not even violent criminal or police 
behavior. What happens next is anyone's guess. 



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From: Lawrence Crowell 
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Dark-Matter Body

This is a flaw in the whole "original intent" argument. In the original intent. 
only large landowners could vote, certainly not women or non-Europeans, and 
blacks were only give 60% in the accounting for representatives.
LC

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I would say that the original 1787 Constitution that permitted the 3/5 
compromise was the most sloppily written. This was the so-called compromise 
that implicitly allowed slavery. The second amendment basically scares the 
willies out of the modern progressive, who seeks to impose sort of a national 
oligarchy against an unwilling people at least the 75 million of us idiots who 
voted for the orange guy. Hence the huge push for things like CRT, and 
transgenders competing in women's sports and online media censorship and the 
control of banks by people who are of a progressive bent. I turn people of a 
progressive bent are really those sort of liberals who seem to be highly 
tolerant of Soviet socialism. Now this is even so, that they are funded by 
globalist China facing corporations. The issue sort of breaks down to the old 
Union tune which had a lyric that went something like that " which side are you 
on boy, which side are you on?"My point in that observation is that we still 
live in a nation-state age we still behave tribally and if we don't other 
tribes implicitly and explicitly will. Witness the CCP in XI China.  So until 
something changes in the world in which we all must live, something 
technological I suspect, AI is the first thing that jumps to my wee brain, we 
must dance like the puppets we are to the tune that is called by our collective 
nature's. Governments that don't go nationalist at this point in time yes even 
in the 21st century will see themselves kicked out of office at the very least 
witness what's happening in Europe. We must have something that replaces 
nationalism just as we must have something that replaces fossil fuels and 
switch over while we run things concurrently.On Friday, June 4, 2021 John Clark 
 wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
 wrote:


  > It's not nearly as thin as the air that says it's a musket.  It's the 
obvious functional interpretation. 

I interpret that to mean you don't believe in the "original intent" 
interpretation.  

 > The use of "arms" to mean any weapon is clearly a derivative extension of 
what a combatant originally wielded with his arm.


Well, I admit a linguist would say the weapon meaning of the word "arms" is 
derived from the word for the limbs human beings used to manipulate things, and 
a linguist would also say the derivation of the word "calculus" comes from the 
Greek word for small stone or pebble, but I don't think having completed a 
study of pebbles will help you much on a calculus exam. 


>> In 1787 the people that made cannons and warships were called arms 
>> manufacturers and that hasn't changed. It may be absurd but that's the world 
>> we live in because 

Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

At the end of all this Bruno, it comes down to what we may achieve with this 
information? It have sat thru several online discussion between a devoted Big 
Bang enthusiast versus a plasma universe orthodox. There also it is what we can 
achieve and yes, I do mean in the materialist, physicalist way. I do like the 
mystical aspects of physics and think that many observations of physicists in 
the past are valid indeed. I invoke Schrödinger's Cat sitting atop Wigner's 
Friend's shoulder giving advice on how to interpret Eugene's observations? On 
the other hand, I know that conjuring observers up to explain the universe, is 
not as helpful as having a working, commercial grade, fusion reactor at hand. 
One  paper done by somebody may gain you them the  Field's Prize. But a clever 
engineer solving fusion might save 8 billion lives and become wealthier than 
Bezos in the process.

-Original Message-
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released on April 1st)



On 4 Jun 2021, at 11:01, spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:
Yeah I suspect that physics is fundamental, but evolves as two physicists 
working for Microsoft wrote a month or two ago. See, it's just like 
mathematics, it evolves! The conjecture for both is how do they evolve? The 
mechanism?
Microsoft helped physicists explore the nature of the universe's evolution 
(msn.com)



This assumes an ontological physical universe at the start. That is not valid 
when doing theology/metaphysics with the scientific method.
The conceptual assumption must be as simple as possible. We need (sigma_1)  
arithmetic to define what is a machine, but then we get all computation. To add 
a physical universe leads to the difficult problem of relating it with the 
computation, without adding some magic (non Turing emulable element not present 
in the arithmetic viewed from inside).
There is a physical universe is not better than god made it, independently of 
such statement are true or false.
If physics is fundamental, the theory of evolution of Darwin has to be 
abandoned, as most of current physics, which relies implicitly on mechanism.
You cannot have both physics being fundamental, and mechanism true in the 
cognitive science. It simply cannot work.
Note also that there is not yet one evidence for a physical reality being 
primary. But I gave the tool to pursue that investigation. If Z1* depart from 
observation, then we will have some evidence that mechanism false, so that the 
metaphysical assumption of the materialist remains coherent, which is still not 
a reason to believe in it, as, on the contrary, there are evidence for 
mechanism, if only Darwin.
Physicist measure numbers, and infer relations between numbers. The idea that 
there is a universe at the origin of those relation is Aristotle theology, and 
as I say, it requires a strong non mechanist assumption, for which there is no 
evidence at all.
Bruno




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released on April 1st)



On 24 May 2021, at 23:39, spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:
Well, Bruno, as Freeman Dyson commented long ago, the better scientists devise 
and implement better equipment, the more likely fundamental discoveries will be 
found.  A radio telescope on earth or low earth orbit is capable and wonderful, 
but  a series of gigantic radio telescopes at the edge of the solar system is 
even better and we'd learn new things and refine out knowledge. 



Do you think physics is necessarily the fundamental science? That is 
incompatible with the minimal amount of Mechanism we need to attribute any 
explanation power to Darwin or molecular biology, or QM (without collapse).
Then revised equipment can help, to refute or confirm the Mechanist hypothesis. 
Given that the many histories is the simplest startling prediction of 
mechanism, We could already said a long time ago that Nature confirms 
Mechanism. Today we can say more because this is also confirmed for the formal 
quantum logical nature of the observable.
There has never been any evidence that the physical reality is the ontological 
reality. Unfortunately, we have lost rigour in the fundamental science, and 
many people confuse the physical reality and the fundamental reality, without 
knowing that this confusion is a string hypothesis in the fundamental science.
Bruno




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To: spudboy...@aol.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2021 4:10 am
Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not 
released on April 1st)



On 20 May 2021, at 04:24, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Heh! Your dissertation reminded me of a very old Hindu tale of a Sadhu who 
advised the 

Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Lets face it John. It doesn't matter what I think, in the sense that since I am 
not an oligarch, who cares what I want? I mean if its government policies on 
what I think is best, I would have already ordered researchers, and funded 
them, to create ways of converting sea water to hydrogen to fuel civilization. 
What I want is of no concern really. 
On the so called Decency Act, just know that oligarch money travels far and 
gets the job done. This law was been re-interpreted to enable billionaire media 
dogs to rule their platforms irrespective of the 1st amendment. But you did ask 
for evidence after proclaiming that it was impossible for the oligarchs to 
censor. Specifically, all you need to do is look up the names Dorsey and 
Zuckerberg to know of this censorship, and this alone would inform you.


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2021 4:36 am
Subject: Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo 
Dark-Matter Body

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:53 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:
> On Twitter and Facebook the boards of directors paid campaign donations to 
> members of Congress to pass bills into laws that project these social media 
> platforms from being sued.
Good!  Those laws would have allowed the government to censor corporations, and 
would've allowed Big Brother to decree what you could and could not read or see 
even in the privacy of your own home.  I'm glad corporations did all they could 
to stop that from happening.  
> The most prominent of these laws is Section 230 of the Communications Decency 
> Act of 1996.

It's astonishing! You actually want the Communications Decency Act back after 
the Supreme Court unanimously ruled it was unconstitutional in 1997 because it 
infringed on freedom of speech. But of course that was before the Supreme Court 
was filled up with Trump crypto fascists. You're not complaining there's too 
much censorship, you're complaining there's two little. And if you want 
censorship, and apparently you do, it can only come from the government because 
that is the only entity that has the power to enforce censorship. 
Supreme Court Declares Communications Decency Act Unconstitutional


> You should if you get a chance to corroborate my contention. This, one is 
> constantly censored by these corporations if they disagree with your 
> statements.
You keep saying that, but you are unable to provide one single example of it 
actually happening. 
John K Clark  See  what's on my new list at    Extropolis 
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Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[Lawrence Crowell]

This is a flaw in the whole "original intent" argument. In the original 
intent. only large landowners could vote, certainly not women or 
non-Europeans, and blacks were only give 60% in the accounting for 
representatives.

LC

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> I would say that the original 1787 Constitution that permitted the 3/5 
> compromise was the most sloppily written. This was the so-called compromise 
> that implicitly allowed slavery. The second amendment basically scares the 
> willies out of the modern progressive, who seeks to impose sort of a 
> national oligarchy against an unwilling people at least the 75 million of 
> us idiots who voted for the orange guy. Hence the huge push for things like 
> CRT, and transgenders competing in women's sports and online media 
> censorship and the control of banks by people who are of a progressive 
> bent. I turn people of a progressive bent are really those sort of liberals 
> who seem to be highly tolerant of Soviet socialism. Now this is even so, 
> that they are funded by globalist China facing corporations. The issue sort 
> of breaks down to the old Union tune which had a lyric that went something 
> like that " which side are you on boy, which side are you on?"
>
> My point in that observation is that we still live in a nation-state age 
> we still behave tribally and if we don't other tribes implicitly and 
> explicitly will. Witness the CCP in XI China.  So until something changes 
> in the world in which we all must live, something technological I suspect, 
> AI is the first thing that jumps to my wee brain, we must dance like the 
> puppets we are to the tune that is called by our collective nature's. 
> Governments that don't go nationalist at this point in time yes even in the 
> 21st century will see themselves kicked out of office at the very least 
> witness what's happening in Europe. We must have something that replaces 
> nationalism just as we must have something that replaces fossil fuels and 
> switch over while we run things concurrently.
> --
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 John Clark  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> * > It's not nearly as thin as the air that says it's a musket.  It's the 
> obvious functional interpretation. *
>
>
> I interpret that to mean you don't believe in the "original intent" 
> interpretation.  
>
>  > 
> *The use of "arms" to mean any weapon is clearly a derivative extension of 
> what a combatant originally wielded with his arm.*
>
>
> Well, I admit a linguist would say the weapon meaning of the word "arms" 
> is derived from the word for the limbs human beings used to manipulate 
> things, and a linguist would also say the derivation of the word 
> "calculus" comes from the Greek word for small stone or pebble, but I don't 
> think having completed a study of pebbles will help you much on a calculus 
> exam. 
>
> >> In 1787 the people that made cannons and warships were called arms 
> manufacturers and that hasn't changed. It may be absurd but that's the world 
> we live in because nuclear weapons are called "arms'', remember the SALT 
> talks from the 1970s, the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks? They were 
> about the reduction in the number of nuclear weapons manufactured by the US 
> and USSR.
>
>
> * > But they certainly didn't mean that in order to have well regulated 
> militia people had the right to keep and bear frigates. *
>
>
> True, it's impossible for one man to carry a frigate, but it's certainly 
> possible for one man to carry and activate a nuclear warhead, so I don't 
> see your point. I'm also surprised to hear you bring up the "well regulated 
> militia" bit because for years courts have been pretending that line didn't 
> exist in the Constitution. The only well regulated militias are state 
> national guard units, and only a tiny percentage of the population are 
> members of the national guard, but there are more privately owned guns in 
> the US than there are people in the country. And even when national guard 
> members are called to duty they don't use their personal guns, they use 
> weapons provided by the state.
>
> I think the second amendment is the most sloppily written part of the 
> constitution, and that's really saying something considering what a very 
> imperfect document it is. At least the parts about slavery are clear, 
> they're not stupid, they're just evil.  
>
> John K Clark  See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>  
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Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

[John Clark]

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:43 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:

*> Which reality? *


#42
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Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 7:05 AM Bruno Marchal  wrote:

*> I take it as a lack of spiritual or intellectual maturity. Hardly
> avoidable when theology is out of science since so many years (1492 years
> exactly).*


Ah yes, if only we could go back to the enlightened days of 529AD when even
educated people didn't know where the sun went at night. It's amazing how
much people have to say about theology, because at least as far as this
list is concerned the study of God is exactly the same as the study of an
amorphous gray blob. And yes I know that 529 was the year Plato's academy
was shut down because it was very slightly different from the religious
franchise that was then most popular.
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Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 4 Jun 2021, at 17:03, Philip Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> SALON. 6-4-21. Alan D. Blotcky Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist in 
> Birmingham, 
> Alabama..https://www.salon.com/2021/06/04/one-thing-trump-destroyed-we-should-be-happy-about-the-goldwater-rule-bites-the-dust/
>  
> 
>   “The overarching purpose of the press is to keep in the spotlight every 
> deliberation and decision that is made in our government. The press is the 
> watchdog of our elected officials… Because a free press is indispensable to 
> democracy. We depend on it to inform, to explain, to interpret and, yes, to 
> warn. To a large degree, that is what separates us from authoritarian regimes 
> and "managed" pseudo-democracies…. ”
>   [Philip Benjamin]
> This is WAMP-ology 101. Marxist Paganism wants to condemn all dissenters as 
> psychological abnormalities if they try to restore Constitutional 
> Republicanism which is a byproduct of an “AWAKENED” culture! After 24/7 
> incessant pejoratives against 74+ million bona fide citizens with awakened 
> (Augustinian) consciousnesses for over 4 years, WAMP-the-Ingrate ( see notes 
> below) has finally discovered that “some-things may be true even if Donald 
> Trump said them”. The Western world is divided not between Left & Right, 
> Liberalism & Conservatism or Progressivsm & Orthodoxy, but between Paganism 
> [pan-Gaian-ism = earth-worship] with un-awakened kundalini consciousness and 
> Non-Paganism with awakened Augustinian consciousness-- with Paganism on the 
> increase everywhere, in the pulpits & pews, open politics & Deep State, 
> businesses and bureaucracies, academia and media. Paganism = 
> Creature-Worship. Non-Paganism = Creator-Worship. Augustine used Platonism to 
> identify the First Cause to be the Creator revealed as Adonai (plural) YHWH 
> (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) of the Patriarchs, Prophets and Apostles, and 
> based on the exegesis of Genesis 3:15 (protoevangelium) in Romans chapter 5 
> and the historical record of Acts chapter 17.


The problem that I see here is that “pagan” was used also for the 
neoplatonician, that inspired augustin, and for whom the material reality, 
including earth is not existing per se. Pagan was used, by christian 
materialist (Aristotelian) against the Platonician for everything that the 
christians will eventually incorporate without saying, thanks to Augustine 
indeed. 

Pagan meant simply village or country, or district, in latin. I don’t think it 
has anything with Gaia worshipping. I have used the term to mean “non 
institutionalised” religion, which means the religion of the Groucho type of 
Marxist: those who belong to the club of those who belong to no club!

When a religion or a science is mixed with politics or with a state, it is 
nothing but con-artistry. It is a manipulation tool made by bandits, and 
nothing else.

Theology is a science, by default. Only those who have dogma in ontology can 
fear reason and doubt, and the coming back of (non confessional) theology in 
Academy. 
Science is doubt, and the genuine modesty which go with (as opposed to the 
condescending attitude of those who want tolerate stupidity, when believing 
that they know better, or that they are superior).

My main point is that Mechanism and Physicalism are logically incompatible, and 
that this is testable, and that there are tuns of evidence for Mechanism, and 
none for Materialism. It is just a bad habit made into a dogma.

Bruno






>  
> Philip Benjamin
>  
> WESTERN  PAGANISM.
> https://wyrdsister.wordpress.com/2017/11/20/western-paganism-and-hermeticism/ 
> 
> David Myatt And The Renaissance of Western Culture.
> https://www.ncregister.com/interview/post-christendom-and-the-return-of-paganism-in-the-west
>  
> 
> “Return of Paganism in the West” French philosopher Chantal Delsol.
>  
> Washington Examiner. May 31, 2021.  
> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/liberal-media-scream-some-things-may-be-true-even-if-donald-trump-said-them
>  
> 
>   …because Trump was saying so much else that was just out of control, and 
> because he was, you know, making a frankly racist appeal talking about 
> ‘kung-flu’ and the ‘China virus,’…”,  screamed ABC’s Jonathan Karl,
>  
>  
> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:08 AM
> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List  >
> Subject: Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result 

Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 30 May 2021, at 16:15, Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 6:27:15 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> On 3 May 2021, at 17:09, Philip Benjamin > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Speech by Senator Tim Scott: 
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/read-sen-tim-scott-s-speech-rnc-n1237978
>>  
>> ...
>>  “ America is not Racist…”
>> MSNBC host Tiffany Cross made it clear that she was angry with Scott's 
>> characterization of America, saying Scott — the lone black U.S. senator — 
>> has "no sense" and "sounded a stone fool" when he absolved America of being 
>> inherently racist. She misapplies “Stockholm Syndrome” to an independent, 
>> FREE critical thinker. 
>> https://news.yahoo.com/msnbc-tiffany-cross-slams-tim-134742377.html 
>> 
>> [Philip Benjamin]
>> If America is racist (because of the global bane of Slave Traffic— human 
>> traffic still vogue), why races of all genera ALWAYS and still want to 
>> emigrate en masse to this once Puritan America?  There are “Life issues” 
>> never discussed by Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism) [WAMP]:
> 
>> 1 .  Is consciousness (life) an ENDOWMENT or EVOLVEMENT in the physical 
>> world of quantum particles of fermions, quarks, dark matter and their 
>> chemistries (Note: 3 below)?  If it is an EVOLVEMENT, what was its very 
>> first “aseitousprogenitor”--- dead electron, proton, neutron or some 
>> combination of them? If it is an ENDOWMENT, who or what is the ENDOWER with 
>> aseity? The answer contributes to human civilizations and makes the 
>> unbridgeable difference between paganism (from the great pagan Egyptian to 
>> Greco Roman civilizations) & non-paganism [Augustinianism from Adonai 
>> (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) with Patriarchal, Prophetic and 
>> Apostolic imprimatur] and non-pagan Abrahamic civilizations.  
> 
>>  
>> 2. Is there any candidate for science today other than bio dark-matter of 
>> negligible mass relative to electrons with bio dark-matter chemistry 
>> (chemical bonds which are spin governed particle configurations of duets and 
>> octets) to describe a real invisible individual “self”?   (See note 1 below) 
>>  
>> 3 . Why “Origin” is mentioned only in the Title, not once in the Text, of 
>> Darwin’s Book “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or 
>> the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life ”. 
>>  
>> 4.  Why the racism propagated by the non-evidentialist Darwin is ignored by 
>> the WAMP? Why did he “scientifically” propose to eliminate "the negro and 
>> Australian peoples [aborigines]," whom he considered as savages whose 
>> continued survival according to him was hindering the progress of 
>> civilization? 
>> (http://mwilliams.info/archive/2008/02/the-full-title-of-darwins-on-the-origin-of-species.php
>>  
>> ).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Because it is very common that the greatest genius are the one saying the 
> greatest stupidity, especially when applying their ideas too much quickly.
> 
> It is up to us, the readers or students, to filter what is valid from what is 
> invalid. 
> 
> The human problem is that we are Darwinianly programmed, like the wolves, to 
> believe that … the boss is right. It makes sense in situation of conflict 
> when decision must be made quickly, and that tell us that humans have evolved 
> a lot through conflicts with itself. But we can learn from this, and try to 
> better behave with our pals.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> This is manifested in denial arguments seen around the world. The second 
> Amendment was drafted in order to allow militias to put down slave 
> rebellions. Most of the drafters of the US Constitution were slave holders 
> and most saw little problem with it. Americans have layers of denial on this 
> and related issues. We see this elsewhere, where the Turks refuse to admit 
> the Armenian genocide, Europeans are hesitant to admit their collaborator 
> role with Nazis in WWII, Chinese deny any mal-treatment of Uyghurs and so 
> forth. 

Indeed. I take it as a lack of spiritual or intellectual maturity. Hardly 
avoidable when theology is out of science since so many years (1492 years 
exactly).

The separation of theology from science makes both the human and the exact 
science inhuman and inexact.

The constant god/non-god debate is a trick by materialist to keep us forgetting 
that the original question of the theologian was about the ontological 
existence of the physical universe. The doubt was already between physics and 
mathematics as a fundamental science, and theology was the science susceptible 
tp pu light on this question. It is mainly the christians who will make the 
material primitive reality into a dogma. 


> 
> Darwin was a product of his time, 

Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st)

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 4 Jun 2021, at 11:01, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I suspect that physics is fundamental, but evolves as two physicists 
> working for Microsoft wrote a month or two ago. See, it's just like 
> mathematics, it evolves! The conjecture for both is how do they evolve? The 
> mechanism? 
> 
> Microsoft helped physicists explore the nature of the universe's evolution 
> (msn.com) 
> 
> 

This assumes an ontological physical universe at the start. That is not valid 
when doing theology/metaphysics with the scientific method.

The conceptual assumption must be as simple as possible. We need (sigma_1)  
arithmetic to define what is a machine, but then we get all computation. To add 
a physical universe leads to the difficult problem of relating it with the 
computation, without adding some magic (non Turing emulable element not present 
in the arithmetic viewed from inside).

There is a physical universe is not better than god made it, independently of 
such statement are true or false.

If physics is fundamental, the theory of evolution of Darwin has to be 
abandoned, as most of current physics, which relies implicitly on mechanism.

You cannot have both physics being fundamental, and mechanism true in the 
cognitive science. It simply cannot work.

Note also that there is not yet one evidence for a physical reality being 
primary. But I gave the tool to pursue that investigation. If Z1* depart from 
observation, then we will have some evidence that mechanism false, so that the 
metaphysical assumption of the materialist remains coherent, which is still not 
a reason to believe in it, as, on the contrary, there are evidence for 
mechanism, if only Darwin.

Physicist measure numbers, and infer relations between numbers. The idea that 
there is a universe at the origin of those relation is Aristotle theology, and 
as I say, it requires a strong non mechanist assumption, for which there is no 
evidence at all.

Bruno




> -Original Message-
> From: Bruno Marchal 
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2021 9:35 am
> Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not 
> released on April 1st)
> 
> 
>> On 24 May 2021, at 23:39, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Bruno, as Freeman Dyson commented long ago, the better scientists 
>> devise and implement better equipment, the more likely fundamental 
>> discoveries will be found.  A radio telescope on earth or low earth orbit is 
>> capable and wonderful, but  a series of gigantic radio telescopes at the 
>> edge of the solar system is even better and we'd learn new things and refine 
>> out knowledge. 
> 
> 
> Do you think physics is necessarily the fundamental science? That is 
> incompatible with the minimal amount of Mechanism we need to attribute any 
> explanation power to Darwin or molecular biology, or QM (without collapse).
> 
> Then revised equipment can help, to refute or confirm the Mechanist 
> hypothesis. Given that the many histories is the simplest startling 
> prediction of mechanism, We could already said a long time ago that Nature 
> confirms Mechanism. Today we can say more because this is also confirmed for 
> the formal quantum logical nature of the observable.
> 
> There has never been any evidence that the physical reality is the 
> ontological reality. Unfortunately, we have lost rigour in the fundamental 
> science, and many people confuse the physical reality and the fundamental 
> reality, without knowing that this confusion is a string hypothesis in the 
> fundamental science.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
>> To: spudboy...@aol.com ; 
>> everything-list@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2021 4:10 am
>> Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not 
>> released on April 1st)
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2021, at 04:24, spudboy...@aol.com  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Heh! Your dissertation reminded me of a very old Hindu tale of a Sadhu who 
>>> advised the great Raja about life being nothing but an illusion (maya). 
>>> They were mounted on an elephant when it bucked them off, and charged them. 
>>> The Raja said, "Ha! the elephant kicked us off! The Sadhu replied, "that 
>>> was an illusion your highness." The Raja's eyes narrowed and he said, "Yes, 
>>> but then the beast charged and you ran from him!" The Sadhu responded, 
>>> "That too, was an illusion your majesty."
>>> 
>>> For me, I am treating the world as real because it's simpler that way.
>> 
>> 
>> The physical world? Me to. In fact, mechanism makes the physical world 
>> arguably more real than physics. Indeed, 

Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:53 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> *> On Twitter and Facebook the boards of directors paid campaign donations
> to members of Congress to pass bills into laws that project these social
> media platforms from being sued.*
>
Good!  Those laws would have allowed the government to censor corporations,
and would've allowed Big Brother to decree what you could and could not
read or see even in the privacy of your own home.  I'm glad corporations
did all they could to stop that from happening.

> > *The most prominent of these laws is Section 230 of the Communications
> Decency Act of 1996.*
>

It's astonishing! You actually want the Communications Decency Act back
after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled it was unconstitutional in 1997
because it infringed on freedom of speech. But of course that was before
the Supreme Court was filled up with Trump crypto fascists. You're not
complaining there's too much censorship, you're complaining there's two
little. And if you want censorship, and apparently you do, it can only come
from the government because that is the only entity that has the power to
enforce censorship.

Supreme Court Declares Communications Decency Act Unconstitutional


*> You should if you get a chance to corroborate my contention. This, one
> is constantly censored by these corporations if they disagree with your
> statements.*
>
You keep saying that, but you are unable to provide one single example of it
actually happening.

John K Clark  See what's on my new list at   Extropolis

io

> ;
>


>

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