FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Dark-Matter Universe?

[Philip Benjamin]

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[Philip Benjamin]
There is nothing controversial here. No origin of life or consciousness or 
higher spirits or whateber else of a metaphysical nature is not the subject 
here. In fact there is no need of any of that for a rational discussion.

  1.  Does dark-matter exist, as determined by Fritz Zwicky (1933) and Veera 
Rubin (1960’s).

  1.  . If dark matter has chemistry (spin governed configurations of particle- 
duet, octet, of negligible mass with respect to electron), then will there be 
dark bodies from the moment of conception (dark chemical bonds  being 
non-electric, non-entropic and enduring)? 3.
  2.Will resonance between the dark and light bodies be a BASIS (noi 
origin) of self-consciousness?
These are rationsl, scientific – not metaphysical—questions. Only befuddled 
WAMP “useful idiots” conforming to global Marxist-Socialist-Fascist paganism 
with Un-awakened Consciousness (UC) can indulge in Ad Hominem Fallacy here.
Philip Benjamin
Non-Conformist


From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online 
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I'm quite glad not to be involved in what sounds a somewhat - ahem - heated 
debate. But I'm losing track on what is agreed and disagreed.

1. 95% of the universe is 'dark' in that the 5 senses of the human being are 
unable to perceive it, nor can their instruments detect it as the instruments 
were designed for the 5 senses of the human being
'Fritz Zwicky’s (1933) missing matter confirmed by Veera Rubin in the 1960’s 
which constitute about 95% of the universe  only 5% of the known matter of 
the Universe can have ordinary chemistry'.
2. It could be 'unprogrammed energy' - what the Greeks called chaos - or 
'programmed energy' in that it is energy displaying properties, which may 
themselves be 'visible' and called chemistry or invisible which in some cases 
are called 'physics' eg the attractive force = gravity.
On the other hand the programmed energy that is invisible and describes 
functions physicists no nothing of, is given all sorts of names and only 
studied by poets and artists eg love, joy, sorrow .

3 In a human being, the controlling entity by which this can be known is called 
the Higher spirit, Buddha nature, atman, immortal soul etc. On death, during 
NDEs and OBEs, consciousness transfers to the Higher spirit/immortal soul but a 
link remains to the body until the person dies in which case the immortal soul 
'flies' free and invisible
" And if it leads to a non-electric, non-entropic, enduring being of negligible 
mass, so be it. That is called SCIENCE, not religion." which it probably will.
4 But every aggregate, not just a human being will have such a point of 
consciousness, so as the human dies so will all those sub-aggregates and 
sub-aggregates with sub-aggregates that made its totality
And new aggregates will be formed displaying new properties and we call this 
chemistry too, decomposition of the aggregate followed by composition into a 
new aggregate displaying new properties
Attraction then repulsion, love and hate, black and white, the endless cycles 
and swing of the pendulum ticking forward. Tiktok.

rosie




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Subject: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Dark-Matter Universe?
On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Friday, October 29, 2021 5:32 PM 
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Subject: Re: Dark-Matter Universe? See if this is of any help: 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/08/adams-covenant-expulsion-overview.html
[Philip Benjamin]
How is this of any help? None whatsoever!! It is irrational that Fritz Zwicky’s 
(1933) missing matter confirmed by Veera Rubin in the 1960’s which constitute 
about 95% of the universe be deprived of any extraordinary chemistry and only 
5% of the known matter of the Universe can have ordinary chemistry. I remember 
when I first proposed that idea a WAMP told me to shut up lest I be considered 
a fool, another told me that he will pack me up and return to my old country, 
yet another ridiculed 

Re: Consciousness research

[Lawrence Crowell]

I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each 
other.

LC

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 7:37:12 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> My thinking is literally we need 'better' equipment to properly answer 
> either quantum gravity or consciousness. These are surely not 
> civilizational priorities and so the progress is limited. If CERN or RIKEN, 
> or Fermilab cannot delve into what a proton yields, then this is where we 
> are. Neither have we really cranked up machinery to address consciousness. 
> We're doing better on the neuroscience thing then we have in the past, 
> because the machinery used until then very recently is way too simple. 
> Encephalographs + white lab coats just ain't going to produce.   For 
> cosmology, yeah, with better telescopes we detect more granular detail. Or 
> what's an exo-planet for?  
>
> A deeper question on how to get there is the possibility that machine 
> intelligence could accelerate discovery and invention? This ought to be a 
> meta-goal for our species. Medical science and pharmacology is a sure 
> beneficiary of AI, and thus the human body becomes a beneficiary in this 
> fashion. 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Wed, Nov 3, 2021 7:08 pm
> Subject: Re: Consciousness research
>
>
> Welcome back Philip. Long time since I heard from you. We really do not 
> know for sure. Consciousness is something we experience subjectively and 
> has some elusive nature with objectivity.  
>
> LC
> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 1:11:24 PM UTC-5 cloud...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> “The growing field of AI requires hardware that can host adaptive memory 
> properties *beyond what is used in today’s computers*,” he added. “We 
> find that nickel oxide insulators, which historically have been restricted 
> to academic pursuits, might be interesting candidates to be tested in 
> future for brain-inspired computers and robotics.”  
>
> Consciousness is beyond what understood to be conventionally 
> computational. It that sense, it cannot be simulated, it can only be 
> synthesized.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 2:50:08 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
> Opinion, does this development have any real impact on the subject of 
> whether a machine can eventually be conscious. This is a paper from Rutgers 
> and seems to be along the lines of the topic.  
>
> https://www.newswise.com/articles/researchers-find-human-learning-can-be-duplicated-in-solid-matter
>
> The method seemingly can be imitated.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruno Marchal 
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> Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 9:10 am
> Subject: Re: Consciousness research
>
> It is never to late, but I guess they remain in the Aristotelian 
> framework, which makes them impossible to take into account the elementary 
> consequences of Mechanism in metaphysics. If you can sum up their 
> approaches or just tell me their basic hypotheses ... In my university, it 
> too time, but eventually there is a course on consciousness, but only the 
> "weak problem" is allowed to be researched, which is better than nothing. 
>
> Bruno
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 12:27:03 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78UL1gYhXI 
>
> Four researchers on consciousness who take a operational and scientific 
> approach and have a program to try to test theories of consciousness. 
>
> Brent 
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