Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Brent Meeker]

On 7/18/2022 12:21 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

[*Philip Benjamin*]

  Brent’s  reference to “carbon cycle” is only a reinforcement of
what was already stated.



No it's not.  Are you too dense to understand that an input of 383/5000= 
77Gt/yr was in equilibrium with the natural sequestration process?  Can 
you not grasp, that is why the CO2 level in the atmosphere was constant 
up until the 1890's.  Adding an additional 5.1/150=34Gt/yr is going to 
produce a big shift in the equilibrium CO2 concentration.




This was good for the “goose” of ` 5000 years and 383 trillion
tons of CO2 (see below). Why can’t this be good for the “gander”
of the paltry `5.1 trillion tons for 50 past years and100 future
years of petroleum burning?  Baffled!!



Yes, you are baffled by simple arithmetic.

Brent



*Philip Benjamin*

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/ Also,“There has
been too much of a tendency to view the earth as a closed system
living in a state of autarky on its nonrenewable resources,
whereas it is an open system nurtured by the enormous amount of
energy that is sent out to it from the sun. Man in particular and
living beings in general are self-programmed, self-manufactured,
self-maintaining, and self-decaying chemical machines, running
either directly or indirectly with the help of solar energy.”

We have been over this. that large amount of CO_2 was processed over 
that time period. It is not a fixed amount that existed then.


LC

everyth...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke
Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

*[*Philip Benjamin]

 CO2 Cycle is also good for ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World
Bank data for fossil fuel burning) for 150 years. What is good for
the goose is good for the gander also!  Why this undue concern
that is causing $5/g of gasoline?

*Philip Benjamin*

everyth...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The
Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

The Earth didn't survive 5000yrs *WITH* 383e12 tons of CO2,
because there's a carbon cycle in which CO2 gets split and carbon
gets sequestered in soil, plants, and rocks.  And what the hell
would "recorded history" have to do with it.  Why not just
multiply by 14 billion years if you just want a big number
completely irrelevant to CO2 in the atmosphere.  Here was the flow
estimated in 2001.  The point is the system, however much
vulcanism, was in equilibrium for those 5000yr before the
industrial revolution.

On 7/15/2022 12:15 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:

[*Philip Benjamin*]

 A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened
consciousness”(UC):

1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions
about male pregnancy 'transphobic'.

2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is
going and makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic,
Ukraine war, climate change (The damage from climate change is
already worse than most models predicted) The U.S. has taken a
huge step backwards for gender equality and women’s health…”

*Philip Benjamin*

/Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist/*(*/SOFAMA/*)
*/pagan globalism. /

   CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges

~~

   About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of
fossil fuel use equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2
(from World Bank data, see below). An estimated 1,050
wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 emissions of 76
billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of
recorded history, i.e 76 billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons
of CO2. Add to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons for the same period from
volcanic eruptions (see below), thus totaling 383.2 trillions
of CO2. The earth did survive  at least for 5000 years, with
383 trillion tons of CO2!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the
world is going and makes big promises to change the game…
Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate change (The damage from climate
change is already worse than most models predicted) The U.S.
has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and
women’s health…


https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/sen-hawley-called-transphobic-in-heated-exchange-with-woke-prof-over-pregnancy/

Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Dirk Van Niekerk]

Also, for the entire 5,000 year period, a lot of carbon was trapped 
underground in fossil fuels.  When we started burning fossil fuels at the 
start of the industrial revolution the amount of additional CO2 overwhelmed 
the CO2 capture capabilities of the planet and CO2 levels started to rise.  
  

As a comparison.  The total annual precipitation is 505,000 cubic meters or 
39 inches.  In 5,000 years that means 195,000 inches (or 3 miles) of 
accumulated water.  That does not mean that the water level on Earth has 
risen by 3 miles, because it is the same water that circulates over and 
over again.  But some of that water is more or less permanently trapped as 
ice.  That ice is starting to melt now and the sea levels are starting to 
rise because of atmospheric warming.  If all ice caps and glaciers were to 
suddenly melt the water level will rise about 70 meters.

Dirk 

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:21:32 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
>
>> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>>
>>   Brent’s  reference to “carbon cycle” is only a reinforcement of what 
>> was already stated. This was good for the “goose” of ` 5000 years and 383 
>> trillion tons of CO2 (see below). Why can’t this be good for the “gander” 
>> of the paltry `5.1 trillion tons for 50 past years and100 future years of 
>> petroleum burning?  Baffled!!
>>
>> *Philip Benjamin*
>>
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/ Also,“There has been 
>> too much of a tendency to view the earth as a closed system living in a 
>> state of autarky on its nonrenewable resources, whereas it is an open 
>> system nurtured by the enormous amount of energy that is sent out to it 
>> from the sun. Man in particular and living beings in general are 
>> self-programmed, self-manufactured, self-maintaining, and self-decaying 
>> chemical machines, running either directly or indirectly with the help of 
>> solar energy.”
>>
>>  
>>
> We have been over this. that large amount of CO_2 was processed over that 
> time period. It is not a fixed amount that existed then.
>
> LC
>
>  
>
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com  *Subject:* RE: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke 
>> Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>>
>> *[*Philip Benjamin]
>>
>>  CO2 Cycle is also good for ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank 
>> data for fossil fuel burning) for 150 years. What is good for the goose is 
>> good for the gander also!  Why this undue concern that is causing $5/g of 
>> gasoline?
>>
>> *Philip Benjamin*
>>
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or 
>> As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>>
>>  
>>
>> The Earth didn't survive 5000yrs *WITH* 383e12 tons of CO2, because 
>> there's a carbon cycle in which CO2 gets split and carbon gets sequestered 
>> in soil, plants, and rocks.  And what the hell would "recorded history" 
>> have to do with it.  Why not just multiply by 14 billion years if you just 
>> want a big number completely irrelevant to CO2 in the atmosphere.  Here was 
>> the flow estimated in 2001.  The point is the system, however much 
>> vulcanism, was in equilibrium for those 5000yr before the industrial 
>> revolution.
>>
>> On 7/15/2022 12:15 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
>>
>> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>>
>>  A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened 
>> consciousness”(UC):
>>
>> 1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about male 
>> pregnancy 'transphobic'.
>>
>> 2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and 
>> makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
>> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
>> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
>> women’s health…”
>>
>> *Philip Benjamin*
>>
>> *Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist** (**SOFAMA**) **pagan 
>> globalism. *
>>
>>CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges
>>
>> ~~
>>
>>About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of fossil fuel 
>> use equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data, see 
>> below). An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 
>> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of 
>> recorded history, i.e 76 billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons of CO2. Add 
>> to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons for the same period from volcanic eruptions (see 
>> below), thus totaling 383.2 trillions of CO2. The earth did survive  at 
>> least for 5000 years, with 383 trillion tons of CO2!! 
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
>>  
>> Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going 
>> and makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
>> change (The damage from climate

Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:

> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>
>   Brent’s  reference to “carbon cycle” is only a reinforcement of what was 
> already stated. This was good for the “goose” of ` 5000 years and 383 
> trillion tons of CO2 (see below). Why can’t this be good for the “gander” 
> of the paltry `5.1 trillion tons for 50 past years and100 future years of 
> petroleum burning?  Baffled!!
>
> *Philip Benjamin*
>
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/ Also,“There has been 
> too much of a tendency to view the earth as a closed system living in a 
> state of autarky on its nonrenewable resources, whereas it is an open 
> system nurtured by the enormous amount of energy that is sent out to it 
> from the sun. Man in particular and living beings in general are 
> self-programmed, self-manufactured, self-maintaining, and self-decaying 
> chemical machines, running either directly or indirectly with the help of 
> solar energy.”
>
>  
>
We have been over this. that large amount of CO_2 was processed over that 
time period. It is not a fixed amount that existed then.

LC

 

> everyth...@googlegroups.com  *Subject:* RE: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke 
> Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>
> *[*Philip Benjamin]
>
>  CO2 Cycle is also good for ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank 
> data for fossil fuel burning) for 150 years. What is good for the goose is 
> good for the gander also!  Why this undue concern that is causing $5/g of 
> gasoline?
>
> *Philip Benjamin*
>
> everyth...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or 
> As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
>
>  
>
> The Earth didn't survive 5000yrs *WITH* 383e12 tons of CO2, because 
> there's a carbon cycle in which CO2 gets split and carbon gets sequestered 
> in soil, plants, and rocks.  And what the hell would "recorded history" 
> have to do with it.  Why not just multiply by 14 billion years if you just 
> want a big number completely irrelevant to CO2 in the atmosphere.  Here was 
> the flow estimated in 2001.  The point is the system, however much 
> vulcanism, was in equilibrium for those 5000yr before the industrial 
> revolution.
>
> On 7/15/2022 12:15 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
>
> [*Philip Benjamin*]
>
>  A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened 
> consciousness”(UC):
>
> 1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about male 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'.
>
> 2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and 
> makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
> women’s health…”
>
> *Philip Benjamin*
>
> *Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist** (**SOFAMA**) **pagan 
> globalism. *
>
>CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges
>
> ~~
>
>About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of fossil fuel 
> use equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data, see 
> below). An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 
> emissions of 76 billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of 
> recorded history, i.e 76 billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons of CO2. Add 
> to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons for the same period from volcanic eruptions (see 
> below), thus totaling 383.2 trillions of CO2. The earth did survive  at 
> least for 5000 years, with 383 trillion tons of CO2!! 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
>  
> Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going 
> and makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate 
> change (The damage from climate change is already worse than most models 
> predicted) The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and 
> women’s health…
>
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/sen-hawley-called-transphobic-in-heated-exchange-with-woke-prof-over-pregnancy/
>  
> 
>   
> Law professor Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about 
> pregnancy 'transphobic'
>
>   Sen. Josh Hawley got into a heated exchange with a Berkeley law 
> professor about her use of the phrase “people with a capacity for 
> pregnancy​” during a Senate hearing about abortion.
>
> “We can recognize that this

RE: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]
  Brent’s  reference to “carbon cycle” is only a reinforcement of what was 
already stated. This was good for the “goose” of ` 5000 years and 383 trillion 
tons of CO2 (see below). Why can’t this be good for the “gander” of the paltry 
`5.1 trillion tons for 50 past years and100 future years of petroleum burning?  
Baffled!!
Philip Benjamin
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/ Also,“There has been too 
much of a tendency to view the earth as a closed system living in a state of 
autarky on its nonrenewable resources, whereas it is an open system nurtured by 
the enormous amount of energy that is sent out to it from the sun. Man in 
particular and living beings in general are self-programmed, self-manufactured, 
self-maintaining, and self-decaying chemical machines, running either directly 
or indirectly with the help of solar energy.”

everything-list@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As 
Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate
[Philip Benjamin]
 CO2 Cycle is also good for ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data 
for fossil fuel burning) for 150 years. What is good for the goose is good for 
the gander also!  Why this undue concern that is causing $5/g of gasoline?
Philip Benjamin
everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As 
Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

The Earth didn't survive 5000yrs WITH 383e12 tons of CO2, because there's a 
carbon cycle in which CO2 gets split and carbon gets sequestered in soil, 
plants, and rocks.  And what the hell would "recorded history" have to do with 
it.  Why not just multiply by 14 billion years if you just want a big number 
completely irrelevant to CO2 in the atmosphere.  Here was the flow estimated in 
2001.  The point is the system, however much vulcanism, was in equilibrium for 
those 5000yr before the industrial revolution.
On 7/15/2022 12:15 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
 A couple more examples of pseudoscience from “Un-awakened 
consciousness”(UC):
1. Prof. Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about male pregnancy 
'transphobic'.
2. “Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and makes big 
promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate change (The damage 
from climate change is already worse than most models predicted) The U.S. has 
taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and women’s health…”
Philip Benjamin
Nonconformist to Socialist Fascist Marxist (SOFAMA) pagan globalism.
   CC. Prof. Khiara Bridges
~~
   About 150 years (50 years past & 100 years future) of fossil fuel use 
equals a meager ~ 5.1 trillion tons of CO2 (from World Bank data, see below). 
An estimated 1,050 wildfires worldwide produced global CO2 emissions of 76 
billion tons in 2021. There are at least 5000 years of recorded history, i.e 76 
billions X 5,000 = 380 trillion tons of CO2. Add to it ~ 3.2 trillion tons for 
the same period from volcanic eruptions (see below), thus totaling 383.2 
trillions of CO2. The earth did survive  at least for 5000 years, with 383 
trillion tons of CO2!! 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/a-sad-bill-gates-makes-a-huge-announcement/
 Billionaire Microsoft co-founder laments the direction the world is going and 
makes big promises to change the game… Pandemic, Ukraine war, climate change 
(The damage from climate change is already worse than most models predicted) 
The U.S. has taken a huge step backwards for gender equality and women’s health…
https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/sen-hawley-called-transphobic-in-heated-exchange-with-woke-prof-over-pregnancy/
  Law professor Khiara Bridges calls Sen. Josh Hawley's questions about 
pregnancy 'transphobic'
  Sen. Josh Hawley got into a heated exchange with a Berkeley law professor 
about her use of the phrase “people with a capacity for pregnancy​” during a 
Senate hearing about abortion.
“We can recognize that this impacts women while also recognizing that it 
impacts other groups, those things are not mutually exclusive, Sen. Hawley,” 
said Bridges, who was testifying as an expert in race and reproductive rights.
The senator then asked what she believed was the “core of this right.”
~~
Subject: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' I

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 7:10 PM  wrote:

*> The extremely rich, who bribe the pols, JC, *
>

It's immoral but "bribery" is the wrong word to use because that implies
it's illegal, and what the very very rich are doing is perfectly legal; the
ones who are receding the "bribes" are the same ones who make the laws, so
they made sure that such activities are perfectly legal. And Republican
presidents and Republican senators made sure that they appointed Republican
judges to the Supreme Court who would say such activity was perfectly
constitutional too, that's how we got the Citizens United 5-4 decision that
said the Federal Election Commission could not restrict the amount of money
corporations give to politicians, money that is given the euphemistic name
"campaign contributions''. Republican judges nominated and confirmed by
Republican presidents and Republican senators even went so far as to say in
effect that corporations are people. Democrats tried to stop the
Republicans from doing this at every turn but they lost, and in nearly
every post you go on and on about how evils in what you call "bribery" ,
and yet when you go into the voting booth if one candidate has a R next to
his name and another candidate has a D you don't even bother to think, you
vote for Mr. R. That does not compute.


> > see higher taxes as merely, The Cost of Doing Business.
>

I'm not talking about the "extremely rich" I'm talking about the super
ultra mega rich, there is a difference. Lots of people are extremely rich
but the wealthiest  0.01%, of the human beings who live on planet Earth,
just 520,000 people, own 11% of the world's wealth, and the 2,668
billionaires who exist on the planet own 3%. If you're talking about just
the USA the top 0.1% richest Americans have as much wealth as the bottom
90%.  And the gap between the rich and the poor is not just growing, it's
accelerating.  As recently as 2009 the world's richest man only had a
paltry $40 billion, but by 2020 the world's richest man was worth 113
billion, in 2021 in spite of a worldwide pandemic it had grown to 177
billion, and today it's 219 billion. Well before 2030 I expect we will see
the world's first trillionaire.

*> Higher taxes don't make anything more virtuous.*
>

True, but they do make them less powerful. And you keep talking about all
the grand renewable energy projects you think should be immediately
started, but where is all the money to do that going to come from? I say
take it from the super ultra mega rich. It's true that if we did that due
to their impoverishment the super ultra mega rich may only be able to
afford a 400 foot yacht and not the 600 foot model they had their heart set
on and that would be a tragedy, but in every life some rain must fall.

*> My take on this is, globalism=bad,*


My take is that consumers should be allowed, if that is what they want, to
buy gadgets from whoever can make them most efficiently and thus is able to
sell them the cheapest.  Doing that not only helps consumers but the free
competition encourages everybody to find better ways to make things. That's
why Biden should have eliminated ALL of Trump's economically ridiculous
tariffs on the first day he became president.

*> On Bush Junior, I have heard and maybe this is simply disinformation,
> that 43 enabled Bin Laden to escape to Iran (wink wink) and deliberately
> looked the other way to please his families Saudi friends.*
>

Don't be ridiculous!

*> On abortion,  I believe based on research biologists using sheep, that
> we are at the point where fetal transfer into incubation boxes,*
>

If you want to do that the next time you become pregnant then fine, you
should be allowed to transfer your fetus to a "incubation box" if that
makes you happy, but don't force other people to do the same thing if they
have a different opinion about "incubation boxs" than you do.

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


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Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Lawrence Crowell]

The financial and corporate elites support both parties. When economic 
times are good they prefer the reps, but give support to the dems. In that 
way if the dems win the donors have influence. Curiously when time get 
really bad the financial and corporate donors prefer the dems, because the 
dems are more willing to pull the Keynesian levers to cover their butts. 
Obama in 2008 and the dems got almost twice the campaign dollars as the 
reps.

LC

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:03:40 AM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> Professor Crowell, we both know the reason for this. That reason is that 
> the campaign donations from the fossil fuel companies always cash. Please 
> also realize that Hedge Funder Tom Steyer & Ariana Huffington (once married 
> to John Kerry), pay campaign donations as well, big time. What is my point? 
> My point is that this American system of government is based on campaign 
> donation and this is an Oligarchy. It's corrupt all the way through. There 
> are no virtuous billionaires. Not Don, Not the Koch org, Not Harvey 
> Weinstein, not even Elon Musk. 
>
> They simply say and do things we serfs like and so we cheer them on. 
>
> Secondly your democratic leadership even with 2 houses of congress is so 
> lax in pursing a working energy proggie, that they pissed away more than a 
> year, while Vlad got ready to invade. Thus, doubling down on energy 
> troubles.
>
> So I say to you as the old western bartenders said to the cowboys, "Name 
> yer poison." 
>
> Poison 1 is the dems who may or may not have an clue on energy but achieve 
> jack with it.
> Poison 2 are us reps, who like pollution and enjoy life while we can, 
> ignoring AGW. We are like the old coal miners who dug number 9 coal and 
> relaxed with a pack of Camels. Ah! Now we're in flavor country.
>
> Downside of the the dems? They fumble and do not achieve. 
> Downside of Reps, we don't care!
>
> Since Putin, please remember that under Trump we were oil and gas 
> exporters most of the time-dirty as it is!
> Now, the EU risks falling apart from Vlad (its a struggle Nato-wise) the 
> option would be to dig to get them off of Vlad's addiction. This means 
> pipelines and replacing Russian gas for the next few years!!!
>
> Allow me to remind of this ugly fact just 3 years ago from CNN, one of 
> yours needless to say.
> Thank Trump for America's new oil markets | CNN Business 
> 
>
> On energy, I would opt for wrecking the climate more than having us and 
> our allies suffer energy starvation, LC, as grim as those two choices are. 
> The Biden-Warren energy plan was simply shutting things down without 
> creating & implementing new sources. Like I said, the dems had both houses 
> of congress + the prez to achieve this. So will they listen to you now and 
> get moving on it?? You know we won't. I'd go PV and batteries first.  then 
> a charging infrastructure, yadda yadda, etc. 
>
> Last, (very off topic) I remember you knew some person who was employed 
> by a US technical service shall we say, that focused on international 
> situations, to put it delicately. Could you please check if you feel its 
> convenient and it's worth your time, to see if they may have heard of a 
> changing international "focus" in the Pacific Rim??  The reason is that I 
> have seen one analyst on the region that I found (in an interview) state 
> something (for me) alarming & plausible. (to me).  
>
> Be well,
>
> Spud the nervous
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 9:01 pm
> Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
>
> Yes there are technological solutions to solve aspect of the climate 
> problem. Interestingly, the republicans work tirelessly to prevent their 
> implementation. 
>
> LC
> [image: trump as working man champion.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 5:29:56 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I question humanity's survival from a Putin initiated Nuclear Attack and 
> not the climate getting hotter. 538 can be indeed accurate, but the rising 
> violent crime rate does not seem to be illusory. For my values, drilling 
> and mining are far better, even though they lead to more, bad, climate, 
> crap.  
>
> Because, it is better than allowing people to die in the heat, or freeze 
> in the dark, and based on the writings of many environmentalists, they are 
> good with this, because they are "saving the earth." I get this on Reddit 
> quite often. Yes, I would agree that this is likely to be a skewed 
> sampling.  
>
> For climate and even Putin, there are technological fixes to be applied. 
> For expecting too much from one's fellow primates, I would invoke the 
> singing of American social philosopher, Joey Ramone. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIfzVf8t6E
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence Crowell 
> To: Everything List 
> Sent: Sun

Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.

[Lawrence Crowell]

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On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:10:04 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> The extremely rich, who bribe the pols, JC, see higher taxes as merely, 
> The Cost of Doing Business. Higher taxes don't make anything more virtuous. 
> The only virtuousness lays with who in fact benefits I would say that 
> if somebody who makes a miracle medicine (not just a bullshit claim) is 
> better than say George S's Tides Foundation which funds for Dem district 
> attorneys that view lifelong street criminals to be freed, because they 
> endured hard lives as children, and then they end up killing their victims. 
> This looks to be the crime rise perception feeder.  
>
> Meaning what? Meaning a policy is only good If and Only If, it really 
> helps? Thus, I'd go for measuring results of public policy, yeah, with 
> statistics as a starter. 
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> The wealth of the uber rich matters to me only how their lobbying to 
> politicians benefits us or harms us?? My take on this is, globalism=bad, 
> crime=bad, no drilling=bad 4 now, no mass solar installations = bad, bad, 
> bad. no battery storage =bad.
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> Your view might be, no national medical service = inhuman!
> Mine might be =Ok, what's a good way of generating wealth to pay for this? 
>
> On Bush Junior, I have heard and maybe this is simply disinformation, 
> that 43 enabled Bin Laden to escape to Iran (wink wink) and deliberately 
> looked the other way to please his families Saudi friends. IF TRUE, and I 
> don't know if it is, then the dude is criminal, and it only proves the 
> vileness of allowing ourselves to be ruled by the rich. Meaning I am kind 
> of a wannabe bourgeoise-power guy.  Ok well, that going to go nowhere, but, 
> just saying. 
>
> On women's autonomy over their bodies? I believe especially for attractive 
> women, that neither the women themselves, nor, any politician from anywhere 
> should have autonomy over their bodies. I think that I should have autonomy 
> over their bodies. Yes, that's it! They, for some reason, disagree.
>
> On abortion,  I believe based on research biologists using sheep, that we 
> are at the point where fetal transfer into incubation boxes, aka artificial 
> wombs, aka a womb with a view, are at hand, So instead of abortions we do 
> that, and yes, pay for it, as a social workaround. $$$.
>
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> https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/artificial-wombs-how-sci-fi-could-one-day-meet-the-nicu
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> https://www.iflscience.com/this-artificial-womb-and-ai-nanny-is-the-future-of-child-development-claim-chinese-scientists-62437
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> https://www.wionews.com/science/synthetic-wombs-elon-musk-other-tech-entrepreneurs-discuss-population-collapse-solutions-446496
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> Yes to rapidly funding and prototyping. 
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: spudb...@aol.com
> Cc: everyth...@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2022 6:06 pm
> Subject: Re: Do you have a right to travel? Republicans say no.
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 5:10 PM  wrote:
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> *> The last question first (3) I am a conservative in the sense of being a 
> nationalist because it seems to work better than the globalism, and the 
> rule of corporations which bribe politicians with campaign donations.*
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>
> And apparently you believe the best way to reduce the amount of bribery 
> the super ultra mega rich heads of corporations engage in is to oppose any 
> attempt by the Democrats to increase the taxes on those very same super 
> ultra mega rich corporate heads. That does not compute. 
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>  
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> > * me no trust da billionaires,*
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> So you want to protect those billionaires that you don't trust from the 
> Democrats who want to tax them more so they  become only ultra mega rich 
> and not super ultra mega rich. Explain that to me because I don't quite 
> follow your logic. 
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>  
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> > Buchanan once wanted Bush the Elder not to do Desert Storm because, 
> "Iraq is just like North Korea!"
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> It turned out the Elder Bush was right about the Kuwait War but his son 
> was wrong about the Iraq War, dead wrong.  
>
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> *> Yes, I am opposed to the Holy Rollers restricting travel for any 
> reason.  *
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>
> I'm glad to hear it, now I must ask if you think people should have 
> autonomy over their own bodies or should politicians in Washington have 
> the final say about that? 
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
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> qps 
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> I hope you're right but I don't think you are. 2024 is too far in the 
> future to make political predictions that are worth a damn, but I think the 
> Democrats are gonna lose control of both the House and the Senate in the 
> midterm election this year, the Antidemocrats are going to triumph. 
> Unemployment is the lowest it's been in years and the dollar is the 
> strongest it's been in a generation, but gas prices are high and even 
> though neither the president nor the Congress has much influence over that 
> they