Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out
The branching is occurring at every moment, so if even one set of said parents got it on, there would be umpteen trillons(TM) of copies of said individual. It has nothing to do really with the parents at all. Once you exist, there's umpteen trillions of copies that stem from the state of the individual at each moment in time. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:59 AM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:35 PM *Subject:* Re: Quantum Immortality considering Passing Out On 20/05/2010, at 4:12 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: I may have this all wrong, but it seems to me that for there to be umpteen trillion copies of a person there had to be umpteen trillion (UT) copies of his parents. And only a relatively small sub-group of those met and cohabited at the exact moment of his/her conception. But the same must have been true for their parents and their parents' parents and so forth back to the primoridal slime. And this staggering foliation of universes only covers one specific zygote of two specific gametes. What of all the other UT^UT combinations leading to the creation of other individuals just on this family tree? And what of all the other combinations and histories of every human, animal, insect and bacterium on this planet? Does it really make sense to assume numbers of universes so far beyond our ability to conceive of?marty a. You may as well claim that an infinite single universe should not exist because it boggles the human mind. Stathis Papaioannou I don't know, Stathis. Somehow it seems easier for me to conceive of ONE infinite universe than to conceive of umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen trillion trillion trillion^umpteen...universes. My mind is obviously more limited than yours. m.a. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: UDA and interference of histories
In a sense, I don't see how a computation could be cancelled by another one. About a year ago I asked Deutsch about cancellation. My idea was that universes could annihilate each other if a particle was out of phase with its counterpart in another otherwise consistent universe. He said that universes don't annihilate but didn't elaborate. I think it must be that when out-of-phase counterparts meet, they repel each other to more probable locations. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Newbie Questions
Getting back to the original question: Are ALL quantum variations explored? So let me ask some more basic questions: How many distinct choices of new state does a particle, say an electron, have at each time quanta? Let's call that number X. In an admittedly over-simplified universe of two particles, the number of new universe states at the next time quanta is X^2, right? In a universe with Y particles, the number of new states that arise from a given previous state at each time quanta is X^Y, right? And due to quantum interference, certain states are less common, and other states are more common. I realize that these are very elementary questions. I'm just trying to get my bearings here. The thing that is simply inconceivable to me is that this bizarre explosive growth is an explosion of *information.* The multiverse seems to have an unlimited capacity to generate and store these new universe states, and also an unlimited capacity to compare all of these universe states to each other in order to produce the quantum interference we observe. The thing I like about the theory is that it certainly takes the dice out of God's hands. Since all states are exhaustively explored, there is no randomness at all. We just happen to exist in some portions of the immense tree of states, and not in other portions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Newbie Questions
I understand. I was trying ask about whether or not, if there were say 10^10^10 slits, would the electron go through all of them. Do we know for sure? Also, I want the inside of time answer. Right now, in the multiverse, it seems like the number of differentiated states may be a very large number, but is it infinite? I expect the answer to be no, but I'm no expert. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.comwrote: Fragamus, That depends on definitions! What counts as a history, and when do we count them? In order for the number of histories to be merely a fantastically large and growing number, we need to be inside of time when we count the number of histories-- otherwise it could not be growing. Personally I would prefer to count the *eventual* number of histories, rather than the number of histories at any given moment. This number will be infinite, but *which* infinity? The answer gives us some information. (I don't know if you are familiar with the different infinities, but there *are* smaller and larger infinities.) For example, if all universes end in finite time the number of histories may be smaller than if there are some that go on forever. -Abram On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:10 PM, fragamus innovative.engin...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask the board: Are ALL possible quantum histories realized in the multiverse? Is the number of possible histories infinite, or merely a fantastically large and growing number? I don't like infinity so I'm hoping you say no. THANKS! -- Abram Demski Public address: abram-dem...@googlegroups.com Public archive: http://groups.google.com/group/abram-demski Private address: abramdem...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Newbie Questions
Thank you. However, I don't understand your objection to an infinite number of states. The universe in which we live appears by current measurements to be infinite in size (because it is geometrically flat), and will last forever (because its expansion is hastening). Yes, but space may be simply the coordinate system in which matter and energy move. Even if the coordinate system is infinite, it doesn't matter because the particles' occupy a finite (but growing) part of it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Newbie Questions
So you are saying the mass of the universe is infinite. On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, A. Wolf a.lup...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but space may be simply the coordinate system in which matter and energy move. Even if the coordinate system is infinite, it doesn't matter because the particles' occupy a finite (but growing) part of it. I don't think your conceptualization of an expanding universe is correct. No currently accepted model of the universe consists of a bunch of centrally-located matter with empty space surrounding it, and it's easy to see why: we can see the big bang (or at least, the moment when light decoupled from matter) from every direction in the sky. This means that there is no center to the universe. Matter is fairly uniformly distributed throughout the universe, and the universe is either finite but unbounded, or (as measurement of the CBR supports) infinite in both size /and/ content. So there is no center to the universe from which things are expanding into empty space. Rather, everything is moving away from everything else. Evidence suggests there's an infinite amount of stuff out there, either way, because careful measurements of the visible universe show zero curvature as far back as is possible to see. Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
