Re: How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ?
On 01 May 2013, at 21:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:55:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2013, at 17:38, Roger Clough wrote: How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ? How can matter be a thought ? That is because matter is at the base entirely mathematical, as quantum physics suggests. References: Idealism in science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism The metaphysics of Leibniz. (http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough) Paul Davies in the Mind of God puts these scientists' discoveries into context with the writings of philosophers such as Plato. Descartes, Hume, and Kant. His startling conclusion is that the universe is no minor byproduct of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. By the means of science, we can truly see into the mind of God. Sir James Jeans wrote; The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.[59] Mechanism implies idealism, or non materialism. A lot of critics of mechanism assume materialism, but that is what has been shown incoherent, if there is no flaw (in UDA). If we are machine, then it has been argue that numbers dreams emerges from arithmetic, and appearenace of matter emerges from those dream. It is not strict idealism, as everything comes from arithmetic, but it is a form of idealism as the physics is reduced to an explanation in term of numbers only (or Turing equivalent). Mechanism implies idealism of a sort, but only an idealism based on the behavior of materials. Not at all. It is based on arithmetic or computer science. On the contrary, the behavior of materials is shown to be reduced to the infinities of number relations, and matter appears to be appearances. On the contrary of your suggestion that matter plays some crucial (but rather mysterious or unexplained) role in the mind. Turing machines require that something behave as a material structure behaves - as a concrete framework which persists with position and functional continuity. Not at all. Turing machines can be defined in term of addition and multiplication of natural numbers. Be careful to read good books or the original papers, as some popularisation of this are often wrong. This is not a fugue of subjective thoughts and emotions, or spontaneous impulses, it is a regulating edifice of matter-like ideas. Mechanism is materialism reduced to an immaterial essence. It is an evacuated idealism/null-phenomenology. You might study the UD Reasoning which shows that with mechanism, the notion of matter is reduced in term of sum on infinities of mathematical computations. Bruno Craig Bruno Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/29/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ?
On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:55:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2013, at 17:38, Roger Clough wrote: *How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ?* How can matter be a thought ? That is because matter is at the base entirely mathematical, as quantum physics suggests. References: Idealism in science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism The metaphysics of Leibniz. (http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough) Paul Davies in the Mind of God puts these scientists' discoveries into context with the writings of philosophers such as Plato. Descartes, Hume, and Kant. His startling conclusion is that the universe is no minor byproduct of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. By the means of science, we can truly see into the mind of God. Sir James Jeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_James_Jeans wrote; The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.[59]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism#cite_note-59 Mechanism implies idealism, or non materialism. A lot of critics of mechanism assume materialism, but that is what has been shown incoherent, if there is no flaw (in UDA). If we are machine, then it has been argue that numbers dreams emerges from arithmetic, and appearenace of matter emerges from those dream. It is not strict idealism, as everything comes from arithmetic, but it is a form of idealism as the physics is reduced to an explanation in term of numbers only (or Turing equivalent). Mechanism implies idealism of a sort, but only an idealism based on the behavior of materials. Turing machines require that something behave as a material structure behaves - as a concrete framework which persists with position and functional continuity. This is not a fugue of subjective thoughts and emotions, or spontaneous impulses, it is a regulating edifice of matter-like ideas. Mechanism is materialism reduced to an immaterial essence. It is an evacuated idealism/null-phenomenology. Craig Bruno Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/29/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ?
On 29 Apr 2013, at 17:38, Roger Clough wrote: How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ? How can matter be a thought ? That is because matter is at the base entirely mathematical, as quantum physics suggests. References: Idealism in science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism The metaphysics of Leibniz. (http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough) Paul Davies in the Mind of God puts these scientists' discoveries into context with the writings of philosophers such as Plato. Descartes, Hume, and Kant. His startling conclusion is that the universe is no minor byproduct of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. By the means of science, we can truly see into the mind of God. Sir James Jeans wrote; The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.[59] Mechanism implies idealism, or non materialism. A lot of critics of mechanism assume materialism, but that is what has been shown incoherent, if there is no flaw (in UDA). If we are machine, then it has been argue that numbers dreams emerges from arithmetic, and appearenace of matter emerges from those dream. It is not strict idealism, as everything comes from arithmetic, but it is a form of idealism as the physics is reduced to an explanation in term of numbers only (or Turing equivalent). Bruno Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/29/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ?
How can matter (the universe) be a thought in the mind of a cosmic intelligence ? How can matter be a thought ? That is because matter is at the base entirely mathematical, as quantum physics suggests. References: Idealism in science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism The metaphysics of Leibniz. (http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough) Paul Davies in the Mind of God puts these scientists' discoveries into context with the writings of philosophers such as Plato. Descartes, Hume, and Kant. His startling conclusion is that the universe is no minor byproduct of mindless, purposeless forces. We are truly meant to be here. By the means of science, we can truly see into the mind of God. Sir James Jeans wrote; The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.[59] Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/29/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
