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On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:29:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg The devil could not write the Bible for it asks us to love God and our neighbor. That's like thinking that if a person does drugs with you they can't be a cop. Either the devil has free will, in which case I would think him very likely to throw in just such messages to deceive us, or he has no free will in which case he is purely the agent of God, and God is the deceiver pretending not to also be the devil. Most people who have psychotic episodes that end in some horrific act like drowning their children are acting on the insistence of what claims to be God. If the devil wrote a book that said 'Ahh I'm the devil, read this book and hate God and you will be rewarded' do you think that it would be very effective? Who is better to corrupt, some degenerate in prison or a priest who is trusted to be alone with children? My own take on Jesus' death is that the devil attacks everything he hates: beauty, goodness, youth, ... . These will either go to heaven or hell. God's justice, being all-pervasive, has to be to make up in the next world the sorrows of this one. It's all so silly. Wouldn't the devil get tired of hating the things that by definition are lovely? How does God get off the hook for creating this monster? It's beyond absurd. It's fine as a metaphor, because yes, there are these phenomenological appetites and counter-appetities which we are obliged to participate in, and which have supra-personal significance, but really all of these interpretations are cartoons loosely based on parts of the Bible, which in itself is a huge mess of disputed versions and questionable translations. It's like a 'Best Of' album for Bronze Age philosophy and folk history. Now the Bible says that whoever is least on earth will be the highest in Heaven. So Jesus had to die the most horrible ignominious death, I don't even get that part. Millions of people die more horrible and ignominious deaths than Jesus. Jesus died the most celebrated and historic death in all of history (if he even existed historically). He died in physical pain, sure, so what? He died with the certainty that he is immortal and the Son of God. He died being able to forgive his torturers. That is a beautiful death compared to being torn apart after decades in some rape dungeon somewhere. Wasting away for years with chronic suffering... What is objectively so special about being unjustly crucified? What way could he have died that would have been more heroic? Peacefully in his sleep at the age of 20,000? I'm only continuing with this because you seem up for it. I don't want to offend anyone, I'm just expressing why it doesn't make any sense to me. that even being the death of God's only son, in order to be highest in heaven. This happened with his resurrection. It's a nice story that appeals to our moral logic of justice, but there is really no difference between that and a hundred other mythologies. That's how myths work - something had to happen because it appeals to the sense of balance and reciprocation. All of the world's mythology is like one big cautionary tale of quid pro quo. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net javascript: 9/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-19, 17:11:45 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that. What kind of a sacrifice is that? I'm going to do you the biggest favor you can imagine, but if you don't believe in it, then my favor is worthless and makes anything good that you have ever done in your life a complete waste of time. If I were Satan, I would write the Bible exactly as it is, full of horrific promises and threats that can be interpreted in many ways. It's pretty much like dropping candy colored hand grenades onto a school playground. The grenades would say if anyone tries to take this away from you, then they deserve whatever happens to them. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/esBo9tkPHAQJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List
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Hi John Clark OK, genius. So, following impeccable logic, you believe you are John Clark because from infancy people kept ramming down your thoat that you are John Clark. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-18, 12:55:58 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that. And you know that because you were told it over and over again from the very moment you learned language, and everything that adults tell young children is always 100% true. ? John K Clark ? ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Wed, Sep 19, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: OK, genius. So, following impeccable logic, you believe you are John Clark because from infancy people kept ramming down your thoat that you are John Clark. Yes. People told me that my name was John Clark and like all young children I believed them, and over the years I have found no evidence that was untrue; adults don't always lie to children, just often. I was also told that God exists but in this case I have found evidence that was false. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Richard Ruquist Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/18/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. Woody Allan - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 13:53:40 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Jesus said that he likes people to be hot or cold, atheists and theists that keep all the commandments, even ones he added like praying in a closet. The other people are the least in heaven, which BTW implies that we all make to heaven. He especially dislikes those who change or reinterprete his words. Richard, who practices atheistic Buddhism and atheistic Hinduism (Samkhya). Even when I was a jew I could not keep all 613 commandments. Safer to be an atheist. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: God loved the believers and hated the nonbelievers, at least that's what the Bible tells us. Yes that's what the Bible says, it says that a omnipotent omniscient being is pretending that He does not exist and He hates anyone that He has been successful at fooling and will torture that person as much as He can for a infinite number of years. But he loves you. It's easy to see why a human would push that load of crap because it gives influence over others, and its easy to see why they want it taught to the very young, at that age anything said by a authority figure bypasses the critical thinking areas of the brain and directly becomes a axiom, which he will eventually pass on to his children someday; trying to peddle that horseshit to a adult for the first time would never fly. The brain just works differently when we're very young, its much easier to learn a language and we believe everything we're told. Most adults don't believe in Santa Claus even though they once did because they were told by their parents when they were still quite young that he didn't exist, if they waited until they were 17 to be informed it would be too late and they wouldn't have believed them because Santa Claus exists would have already have become fixed as a axiom that cannot be questioned. And we'd be living in a world were most adults believed in Santa Claus and were dreaming up all sorts of ingenious excuses why we can never manage to detect him or his workshop at the north pole. What I don't understand, because it seems so out of character, is if God does exist why He would place belief, in particular the belief in something when there is absolutely no reason for doing so, as the ultimate virtue. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Richard Ruquist An excellent point us, because Jesus never condemned homosexuality. He never said anything about it. And as you say, it's not mentioned in the 10. And the 10 as far as I know were all that Jesus preserved. So Christianity doesn't have a case against homosexuality that I can think of. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/18/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. Woody Allan - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 11:02:01 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Roger, So you must think that the jewish law condemning homosexual behavior was eliminated by Jesus. It's not in the 10 and certainly Christians are making a big fuss over it. Richard On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist I was irritated because I have already answered this question. Jesus did away with the laws of the jews, which to my mind were the laws of man, not God. The Laws of God are the 10 commandments. They held and still do, just as God declared them. To give you a for instgance, jesus said that it is not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean, it is whjat comes out of it. What does fulfillment of the law mean ? It means that Jesus died for breakers of those laws including you and me. So in that sense if you break the laws, his Gospel will save you. The Gospel is the fulfillment of the laws. You only need to accept that fact for it to be saved. o invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 07:01:49 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. I was waiting for your reply. Alas, Jesus was a Jew and Jews have 613 commandments, not just 10. Insults do not help your argument. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial and you speed off. How can you be taken seriously ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/17/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 12:03:08 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Nonesense On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist He was talking about the 10 commandments. He fulfilled them with his death and res. Jesus did away for example with the dietary laws when he said that it is not what a man puts into his mouth that can make him unclean, it is what comes out of it. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 08:08:22 Subject: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Jesus did not do away with any OT laws. He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5: [17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Roger, are you one of the least? Richard On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark 1)Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days). Russell also hadn't a clue (he admitted) as to the meaning of pragmatism. On the other hand, Proverbs says, Fear of God is beginning of wisdom (or knowledge). 2) To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, not a shark. 3) Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish laws in leviticus and numbers. Jesus did away with them. But God did order a few massacres. The forgiveness of Jesus also did away with the need for them. The Old Testament is the problem. The New Testament is the solution. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:46 Subject: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: You're a slow learner. Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell said So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. Bible stories
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Hi John Clark Agreed, there is no indisputable reason to believe in God. Faith or trust is required, and that's exactly what God wants you to do. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/18/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 13:40:03 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote: God loved the believers and hated the nonbelievers, at least that's what the Bible tells us. Yes that's what the Bible says, it says that a omnipotent omniscient being is pretending that He does not exist and He hates anyone that He has been successful at fooling and will torture that person as much as He can for a infinite number of years. But he loves you. It's easy to see why a human would push that load of crap because it gives influence over others, and its easy to see why they want it taught to the very young, at that age anything said by a authority figure bypasses the critical thinking areas of the brain and directly becomes a axiom, which he will eventually pass on to his children someday; trying to peddle that horseshit to a adult for the first time would never fly. The brain just works differently when we're very young, its much easier to learn a language and we believe everything we're told. Most adults don't believe in Santa Claus even though they once did because they were told by their parents when they were still quite young that he didn't exist, if they waited until they were 17 to be informed it would be too late and they wouldn't have believed them because Santa Claus exists would have already have become fixed as a axiom that cannot be questioned. And we'd be living in a world were most adults believed in Santa Claus and were dreaming up all sorts of ingenious excuses why we can never manage to detect him or his workshop at the north pole. What I don't understand, because it seems so out of character, is if God does exist why He would place belief, in particular the belief in something when there is absolutely no reason for doing so, as the ultimate virtue.? ? John K Clark ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that. And you know that because you were told it over and over again from the very moment you learned language, and everything that adults tell young children is always 100% true. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: there is no indisputable reason to believe in God. Yes. Faith or trust is required In other words stupidity is required. and that's exactly what God wants God wants? GOD WANTS??!! The guy's omnipotent, God doesn't want, God has. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Hi Richard Ruquist I was irritated because I have already answered this question. Jesus did away with the laws of the jews, which to my mind were the laws of man, not God. The Laws of God are the 10 commandments. They held and still do, just as God declared them. To give you a for instgance, jesus said that it is not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean, it is whjat comes out of it. What does fulfillment of the law mean ? It means that Jesus died for breakers of those laws including you and me. So in that sense if you break the laws, his Gospel will save you. The Gospel is the fulfillment of the laws. You only need to accept that fact for it to be saved. o invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 07:01:49 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. I was waiting for your reply. Alas, Jesus was a Jew and Jews have 613 commandments, not just 10. Insults do not help your argument. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial and you speed off. How can you be taken seriously ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/17/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 12:03:08 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Nonesense On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist He was talking about the 10 commandments. He fulfilled them with his death and res. Jesus did away for example with the dietary laws when he said that it is not what a man puts into his mouth that can make him unclean, it is what comes out of it. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 08:08:22 Subject: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Jesus did not do away with any OT laws. He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5: [17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Roger, are you one of the least? Richard On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark 1)Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days). Russell also hadn't a clue (he admitted) as to the meaning of pragmatism. On the other hand, Proverbs says, Fear of God is beginning of wisdom (or knowledge). 2) To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, not a shark. 3) Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish laws in leviticus and numbers. Jesus did away with them. But God did order a few massacres. The forgiveness of Jesus also did away with the need for them. The Old Testament is the problem. The New Testament is the solution. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:46 Subject: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: You're a slow learner. Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell said So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. Bible stories are generally based on true happenings. Do you believe that the stories in Mother Goose are generally based on true happenings too? I know there are no reasons to believe either one but faith don't need no education, or reasons. Science deals with facts, religion deals with values. Values? One of the best ways to become a atheist is to actually read the Bible, so let's go directly to the source and read some quotations from the Bible and see some of those wonderful values that it teaches: Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun. Numbers 25:4 The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast. Exodus 13:15
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Roger, So you must think that the jewish law condemning homosexual behavior was eliminated by Jesus. It's not in the 10 and certainly Christians are making a big fuss over it. Richard On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist I was irritated because I have already answered this question. Jesus did away with the laws of the jews, which to my mind were the laws of man, not God. The Laws of God are the 10 commandments. They held and still do, just as God declared them. To give you a for instgance, jesus said that it is not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean, it is whjat comes out of it. What does fulfillment of the law mean ? It means that Jesus died for breakers of those laws including you and me. So in that sense if you break the laws, his Gospel will save you. The Gospel is the fulfillment of the laws. You only need to accept that fact for it to be saved. o invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 07:01:49 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. I was waiting for your reply. Alas, Jesus was a Jew and Jews have 613 commandments, not just 10. Insults do not help your argument. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial and you speed off. How can you be taken seriously ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/17/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 12:03:08 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Nonesense On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist He was talking about the 10 commandments. He fulfilled them with his death and res. Jesus did away for example with the dietary laws when he said that it is not what a man puts into his mouth that can make him unclean, it is what comes out of it. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 08:08:22 Subject: Re: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. Jesus did not do away with any OT laws. He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5: [17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Roger, are you one of the least? Richard On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark 1)Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days). Russell also hadn't a clue (he admitted) as to the meaning of pragmatism. On the other hand, Proverbs says, Fear of God is beginning of wisdom (or knowledge). 2) To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, not a shark. 3) Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish laws in leviticus and numbers. Jesus did away with them. But God did order a few massacres. The forgiveness of Jesus also did away with the need for them. The Old Testament is the problem. The New Testament is the solution. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:46 Subject: Re: Re: the nothing but fallacy. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: You're a slow learner. Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell said So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. Bible stories are generally based on true happenings. Do you believe that the stories in Mother Goose are generally based on true happenings too? I know there are no reasons to believe either one but faith don't need no education, or reasons. Science deals with facts, religion deals with values. Values? One of the best ways to become a atheist is to actually read the Bible, so let's go directly to the source and read some quotations from the Bible and see some of those wonderful values that it teaches: Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun
