Hi Richard Ruquist An excellent point us, because Jesus never condemned homosexuality. He never said anything about it.
And as you say, it's not mentioned in the 10. And the 10 as far as I know were all that Jesus preserved. So Christianity doesn't have a case against homosexuality that I can think of. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." Woody Allan ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 11:02:01 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. Roger, So you must think that the jewish law condemning homosexual behavior was eliminated by Jesus. It's not in the 10 and certainly Christians are making a big fuss over it. Richard On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > I was irritated because I have already answered this question. > Jesus did away with the laws of the jews, which to my mind were > the laws of man, not God. The Laws of God are the 10 commandments. > They held and still do, just as God declared them. > > To give you a for instgance, jesus said that > it is not what goes into a man's mouth that > makes him unclean, it is whjat comes out of it. > > What does fulfillment of the law mean ? > It means that Jesus died for breakers of those laws > including you and me. So in that sense if you > break the laws, his Gospel will save you. > The Gospel is the fulfillment of the laws. > > You only need to accept that fact for it to be > saved. > > > > o invent him > so that everything could function." > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-17, 07:01:49 > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. > > > I was waiting for your reply. > Alas, Jesus was a Jew > and Jews have 613 commandments, > not just 10. > Insults do not help your argument. > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial >> and you speed off. How can you be taken seriously ? >> >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 9/17/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-09-15, 12:03:08 >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >> >> Nonesense >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> He was talking about the 10 commandments. >>> He fulfilled them with his death and res. >>> >>> >>> Jesus did away for example with the dietary laws when >>> he said that it is not what a man puts into his mouth >>> that can make him unclean, it is what comes out of it. >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 9/15/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>> so that everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-09-15, 08:08:22 >>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >>> >>> Jesus did not do away with any OT laws. >>> He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount. >>> >>> Matthew 5: >>> [17] "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; >>> I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. >>> [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an >>> iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. >>> [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and >>> teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he >>> who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of >>> heaven." >>> >>> Roger, are you one of the least? >>> Richard >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> Hi John Clark >>>> >>>> 1)Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible >>>> days). >>>> Russell also hadn't a clue (he admitted) as to the meaning of pragmatism. >>>> On the other hand, Proverbs says, "Fear of God is beginning of >>>> wisdom (or knowledge)." >>>> >>>> 2) To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, >>>> not a shark. >>>> >>>> 3) Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish >>>> laws in leviticus and numbers. Jesus did away with them. >>>> But God did order a few massacres. The forgiveness of Jesus >>>> also did away with the need for them. >>>> >>>> The Old Testament is the problem. >>>> The New Testament is the solution. >>>> >>>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>>> 9/15/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>>> so that everything could function." >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: John Clark >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:46 >>>> Subject: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You're a slow learner. >>>> >>>> Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell >>>> said "So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in >>>> praise of intelligence." >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bible stories are generally based on true happenings. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do you believe that the stories in Mother Goose are generally based on >>>> true happenings too? I know there are no reasons to believe either one >>>> but >>>> faith don't need no education, or reasons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Science deals with facts, religion deals with values. >>>> >>>> >>>> Values? One of the best ways to become a atheist is to actually read the >>>> Bible, so let's go directly to the source and read some quotations from >>>> the >>>> Bible and see some of those wonderful values that it teaches: >>>> >>>> Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against >>>> the sun. >>>> Numbers 25:4 >>>> >>>> The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn >>>> of man, and the firstborn of beast. >>>> Exodus 13:15 >>>> >>>> Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers. >>>> Isaiah 14:21 >>>> >>>> And the priest shall dip his finger in some of the blood, and sprinkle it >>>> seven times before the LORD. >>>> Leviticus 4:17 >>>> >>>> And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters >>>> shall ye eat. >>>> Leviticus 26:29 >>>> >>>> Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the >>>> sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle >>>> thereof, with the edge of the sword. >>>> Deuteronomy 13:15 >>>> >>>> Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy >>>> all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, >>>> infant >>>> and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.? >>>> 1 Samuel 15:2-3 >>>> >>>> Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray >>>> you, bring them out unto you, an do ye to them as is good in your eyes. >>>> Genesis 19:8 >>>> >>>> And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto >>>> her >>>> .... Thou shalt go in unto her. Deuteronomy 21:11-13 >>>> >>>> The LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, >>>> above all people that are upon the face of the earth. >>>> Deuteronomy 7:6 >>>> >>>> I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your >>>> children. >>>> Leviticus 26:22 >>>> >>>> And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of >>>> their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. >>>> Jeremiah 19:9 >>>> >>>> For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put >>>> to >>>> death. >>>> Leviticus 20:9 >>>> >>>> The Lord is a man of War. >>>> Exodus 15:3 >>>> >>>> Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the >>>> stones.? >>>> Psalms 137:9 >>>> >>>> People lamented because the Lord had smitten many people in a great >>>> slaughter. >>>> 1Samuel 6:19 >>>> >>>> Smite through the loins of them that rise against him...that they rise >>>> not >>>> again. >>>> Deuteronomy 33:11 >>>> >>>> And thou shalt eat the fruit of? thine own body, the flesh of thy sons >>>> and >>>> of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. >>>> Deuteronomy 28:53 >>>> >>>> ? 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