[Evolution] Evolution changes the message that I am readingtt

2001-09-17 Thread Ralph Sanford

Hi,
I finally decided to try and use Evolution for my default emailer and
when reading significant number of messages at a single sitting I ran
into the following irksome problem. Is there a way aroung this?


The most efficient way that I have found to read a volume of mail in a
folder is to start at the oldest unread message and then to use Ctrl-D
or P to read through the messages and deleting as required.  Once I
start at the oldest message I expect to be able to continuously read all
the messages in that folder without any disruptions from the email
program.  Currently with evolution this does not happen as the open
message (the one being read) will be replaced with the first message
opened in the folder whenever new messages are added to the folder.

Assuming 100 new messages in a folder, starting at the bottom of the
message viewer (the oldest messages), open the message in a message
window, read and use Ctrl-D or P to move to the next message.  Further
assume that you have read 15 messages by the time evolution automaticlly
fetches new messages and one or more of the new messages are filtered
into the folder that is being read.  When the new messages are added to
the folder, the message in the message viewer (should be number 15) will
become message number 1.  

Close the message viewer, double click on message 15 and start reading
again.  Now at message 27 when new messages arrive.  Now the message
viewer will show message number 15 (the message double clicked i.e. the
start of this string) when it should be showing number 27.   Close the
viewer, double click on the 27th message to start again and when
messages arrive when reading number 54 . you're back to 27.

When reading a folder worth of messages this is not an aid to
producivity.  Whatever message I am reading should remain in view
regardless of what Evolution is doing and I should be able to continue
with my reading without interruption.

Does anyone have a suggested solution to allow a continuous flow of
reading?

Thanks
Ralph






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Re: [Evolution] Usability issues and bugs

2001-09-19 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>Evolution really seems to be making some nice progress towards a release,
>but there are still several problems I'm seeing, and want to check here
>first before filing bug reports.  I have all red-carpet updates for
>MDK7.0.  I'm running evolution-0.13-ximian.7, apparently built 9/12.
>
>1) Reply doesn't work.  The message window pops up with the FROM: and
>TO: fields filled in, but when trying to send the message, repeated
>errors like "Address not present" occur.  Finally after repeatedly trying
>to enter the TO: field manually, it was accepted.
>

I can not comment on the other items you mentioned, but I have
encountered the Reply not working correctly as you have described above. 
Have noticed this with 2 machines each using SuSE7.2 with Evolution
0.13.7 and all the latest (Sept 18) updates from Red Carpet.  The issue
of the TO: field not recognizing that an address is present seems to be
frequent but not absolutely every time.

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[Evolution] Spell Checking for SuSE

2001-09-24 Thread Ralph Sanford

The recent conversation about others getting spell checking to work in
Evolution is frustrating cause I can not get spell check in SuSE 7.2

With Red Carpet the computers have the latest available Evo (13.7) for
SuSE.  The Ximian channel for SuSE shows that aspell, aspell-en and
gnome-spell are available.  However these can not be downloaded because
they fail a dependancy for libpspell-impl.so.6

The pspell included with SuSE 7.2 is pspell 12-38 which satisfies
libpspell-impl.so.4   A serch of sourceforge found pspell 12.2 which
also provides libpspell-impl.so.4  I could not find a pspell listed at
the gnome.org.   If the latest version of pspell is 12.2
(libpspell-impl.so.4) then how do others satisfy the dependency for
libpspellimpl.so.6? 

Has anyone had success getting spell checking to work with Evo in SuSE
and if so, how did you do it?  OR any suggestions on how to get spell
checking to work with SuSE?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: [Evolution] Filtering issues...

2001-09-30 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Sun, 2001-09-30 at 00:30, Ujwal S. Sathyam wrote:
> I am using the 9/29 CVS snapshot and am encountering some strange
> filtering problems. I have 2 POP accounts and have 4 filters set up to
> handle incoming mail:
> 
> 1. "If addressed to account #1" -> move to Folder "Account#1"; Stop
> Processing
> 2. "If addressed to account #2" -> move to Folder "Account#2"; Stop
> Processing
> 3. "If Subject contains 'Evolution'"-> move to Folder "Evolution"; Stop
> Processing
> 4. "If not addressed to either accounts #1 or #2" -> Delete. (This is
> mainly a SPAM filter)
> 
> Now, filters 1, 2,  and 3 seem to be working. But the Spam filter #4 is
> not working. I tried various actions like setting color and status, but
> it still does not work. Mail that does not meet criteria for filters 1-3
> end up in Inbox instead of being deleted. It looks like filter #4 is not
> being run at all. However, if I manually apply filters, filter #4 kicks
> in, so the rule is set up OK. All this stuff used to work pre beta-4.
> 
> Any ideas? This behaviour is getting rather annoying.
> 

Not a real solution but a potential workaround.  Create a new Folder
"spam" and have filter 4 move to folder "spam".  This would give you a
single source to delete what is probably junk mail and the opportunity
to glance at the contents of the folder to see if there actually is some
legitimate mail.  As an add-on for filter 4 perhaps move to folder spam,
then delete.


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[Evolution] Encrypted attachments with Evolution 0.14 do not work

2001-10-01 Thread Ralph Sanford

I recently tried to send attachments with my email from Evolution 0.14
encrypted using pgp.  What the recipients received was an encrypted
email which when decrypted had the attachment included within the body
of the email (not as an attachment) and the attachment appeared to
remain encrypted.  The 3 recipients have not changed their systems since
the last encrypted mails were sent successfully and all 3 recipients
have reported the same problem.  The only change I can think of is that
I upgraded from Evo 0.13 to 0.14 via Red Carpet.

All the recipients are using pgp 6.5.8, the keys were exchanged years
ago and have not changed.  I believe all the recipients are using PMMail
as their email program.  Until yesterday the use of encrypted mail
between us worked without problems.

My system is SuSE 7.2 with pgp 6.5.8.  The evolution is 0.14 as
downloaded last week using Red Carpet.

Has there been a change to the encryption methodology of Evolution? 

Should I change my evolution setting in some manner?

Have other user successfully sent encrypted attachments using evolution
0.14?  If I send encrypted attachment using evolution from my computer
to my wife's computer also using evolution then the attachments are
received correctly at her computer.  However the majority of my email
recipients are not using evolution as their email package so this is not
as significant as being able to communicate with other users.

Any suggestions?  Or does some one know how to back grade to evolution
0.13?

Thanks

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Re: [Evolution] Encrypted attachments with Evolution 0.14 do notwork

2001-10-02 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 12:27, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> There weren't any encryption changes between 0.13 and 0.14 as far as I
> can remember.
> 
> Jeff
> 


I have now tested sending pgp encrypted attachments using Evo 0.14 (the
Red Carpet version from last week) from 3 separate computers and the
results are a non-functioning message when received on a non-Evo email
program.  All 3 computers had worked with Evo 0.13 and are SuSE 7.2
systems with the Red Carpet upgrade from 0.13 to 0.14.  Between the Evo
computers sending encrypted attachments works fine and the Evo computers
can all properly receive encrypted attachments from other emailers.  The
problem appears to be limited to Evo sending encrypted attachments to
non Evo emailer programs.

To the best of my knowledge the only changes to the 3 computers I tried
to send the Evo encrypted files from were that the computers were
upgraded using Red Carpet after ver 0.14 became available.  (Other
updated programs from Ximiam occured at the same time such as Control
Center.)  All 3 computers had been able to send encrypted attachments to
non Evo systems when using Evo 0.13

Below is an example of an encrypted message sent from Evo 0.14 to a non
Evo email program.  Note that the pgp encrypted attachment does not show
as a separate attachment as it should but is included in the body of the
email.  This little example shows some of the header, the body of the
email and what appears to be the attached file.  (The information about
content type does not typically show up with the opened encrypted
email.)


**
START
**

Subject: from Linda's machine
From: Linda Sanford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ralph Sanford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted";
boundary="=-Yi9vrxwVWvUMI/utMEQt"
X-Mailer: Evolution/0.14 (Preview Release)
Date: 02 Oct 2001 20:57:47 -0600
Message-Id: <1002077868.1179.6.camel@lsanford>
Mime-Version: 1.0


--=-x1HU38Qwke+lADyVzIXs
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

test from Linda's machine using Evo 0.14 of pgp encrypted attachment to
computer with WinNT and pmmail.




--=-x1HU38Qwke+lADyVzIXs
Content-Type: application/msword
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=staff_home_numbers.doc
Content-ID: <1002077620.1137.1.camel@lsanford>
Content-Transfer-Encodin
base64

0M8R4KGxGuEAPgADAP7/CQAGAAABJA
AA
EAAAJgEAAAD+ACMAAAD///
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
//
/s
pcEATSAJBAAA8BK/EAAABAAA3AUAAA4AYmpiauI94j0AAA
AA
AAAJBBYAIhQAAIBXAACAVwAA3AEAAAD//w8AAA
AA
AAD//w8AAAD//w8AAGwAACwBLAEAAC
wB
etc., etc.

***
FINISH
***


> On Mon, 2001-10-01 at 20:41, Ralph Sanford wrote:
> > I recently tried to send attachments with my email from Evolution 0.14
> > encrypted using pgp.  What the recipients received was an encrypted
> > email which when decrypted had the attachment included within the body
> > of the email (not as an attachment) and the attachment appeared to
> > remain encrypted.  The 3 recipients have not changed their systems since
> > the last encrypted mails were sent successfully and all 3 recipients
> > have reported the same problem.  The only change I can think of is that
> > I upgraded from Evo 0.13 to 0.14 via Red Carpet.
> > 
> > All the recipients are using pgp 6.5.8, the keys were exchanged years
> > ago and have not changed.  I believe all the recipients are using PMMail
> > as their email program.  Until yesterday the use of encrypted mail
> > between us worked without problems.
> > 
> > My system is SuSE 7.2 with pgp 6.5.8.  The evolution is 0.14 as
> > downloaded last week using Red Carpet.
> > 
> > Has there been a change to the encryption methodology of Evolution? 
> > 
> > Should I change my evolution setting in some manner?
> > 
> > Have other user successfully sent encrypted attachments using evolution
> > 0.14?  If I send encrypted attachment using evolution from my computer
> > to my wife's computer also using evolution then the attachments are
> > received correctly at her computer.  However the m

Re: [Evolution] Mail Filters

2001-10-02 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 23:46, Joseph Tan wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> I was wondering if incoming mail filters actually work under Evolution
> 0.14? I simply cannot get my incoming mail filtered automatically, Apply
> Filters (Ctr-Y) doesn't do anything.
> 
> I may report this as a bug unless I'm missing something.
> 
> Another query is that according to the release schedule Evolution
> Release Candidate 1 is going to arrive soon. Do people really expect
> Evolution to jump from 0.14 to version 1 in a short matter of a few
> months?
> 
> Cheers,
> Joseph Tan
> 

The filters work and work well.  I am currently using Evo 0.14, but also
had a about 10 filters working at once in 0.13 so the filters worked
there as well.  As per typical with manual input items, check your
spelling in the filter rule as a small error will negate the filter. 
Also if you want to keep the original message from showing up in your
inbox plus your sub-folder, remember to add an action of "stop
processing" to your filter rule after the message has been directed to
the sub-folder.

The fastest way I have found to set up filters for mailing lists is to
open a message from the mailing list in question and then Tools ->
Create filter from message and as long as you have a folder waiting then
all you have to do is add the command to stop processing and your filter
is complete.




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Re: [Evolution] Encrypted attachments with Evolution 0.14 do notwork

2001-10-03 Thread Ralph Sanford

It is after decryption by PMMail.  The message appears in the message
list of PMMail, the passphrase is type in and PMMail opens the message. 
The body of the email message is decrypted but the attachment is non
functioning within the body.  I can not comment on the
"Content-Encoding" stuff as I usually do not see it or look for it.  




On Wed, 2001-10-03 at 12:30, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> Is this before or after the decryption in PMMAIL? Also, the
> "Content-Encodin\nbase64\n" seems a bit wrong.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Wed, 2001-10-03 at 01:29, Ralph Sanford wrote:
> > On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 12:27, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > > There weren't any encryption changes between 0.13 and 0.14 as far as I
> > > can remember.
> > > 
> > > Jeff
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have now tested sending pgp encrypted attachments using Evo 0.14 (the
> > Red Carpet version from last week) from 3 separate computers and the
> > results are a non-functioning message when received on a non-Evo email
> > program.  All 3 computers had worked with Evo 0.13 and are SuSE 7.2
> > systems with the Red Carpet upgrade from 0.13 to 0.14.  Between the Evo
> > computers sending encrypted attachments works fine and the Evo computers
> > can all properly receive encrypted attachments from other emailers.  The
> > problem appears to be limited to Evo sending encrypted attachments to
> > non Evo emailer programs.
> > 
> > To the best of my knowledge the only changes to the 3 computers I tried
> > to send the Evo encrypted files from were that the computers were
> > upgraded using Red Carpet after ver 0.14 became available.  (Other
> > updated programs from Ximiam occured at the same time such as Control
> > Center.)  All 3 computers had been able to send encrypted attachments to
> > non Evo systems when using Evo 0.13
> > 
> > Below is an example of an encrypted message sent from Evo 0.14 to a non
> > Evo email program.  Note that the pgp encrypted attachment does not show
> > as a separate attachment as it should but is included in the body of the
> > email.  This little example shows some of the header, the body of the
> > email and what appears to be the attached file.  (The information about
> > content type does not typically show up with the opened encrypted
> > email.)
> > 
> > 
> > **
> > START
> > **
> > 
> > Subject: from Linda's machine
> > From: Linda Sanford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Ralph Sanford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted";
> > boundary="=-Yi9vrxwVWvUMI/utMEQt"
> > X-Mailer: Evolution/0.14 (Preview Release)
> > Date: 02 Oct 2001 20:57:47 -0600
> > Message-Id: <1002077868.1179.6.camel@lsanford>
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > 
> > 
> > --=-x1HU38Qwke+lADyVzIXs
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > 
> > test from Linda's machine using Evo 0.14 of pgp encrypted attachment to
> > computer with WinNT and pmmail.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --=-x1HU38Qwke+lADyVzIXs
> > Content-Type: application/msword
> > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=staff_home_numbers.doc
> > Content-ID: <1002077620.1137.1.camel@lsanford>
> > Content-Transfer-Encodin
> > base64
> > 
> > 0M8R4KGxGuEAPgADAP7/CQAGAAABJA
> > AA
> > EAAAJgEAAAD+ACMAAAD///
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //////////
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > //
> > /s
> > pcEATSAJBAAA8BK/EAAABAAA3AUAAA4AYmpiauI94j0AAA
> > AA
> > AAAJBBYAIhQAAIBXAACAVwAA3AEAAAD//w8AAA
> > AA
> > AAD//w8AAAD//w8AAGwAACwBLAEAAC
> > wB
> > etc., etc.
> > 
> > ***
> > FINISH
> > ***
> > 
> > 
> > > On Mon

[Evolution] Encrypted Attachments with Evo 0.14 AND 0.15

2001-10-03 Thread Ralph Sanford

Just downloaded and installed Evo 0.15 to replace the 0.14 that was
giving me problems with encrypted attachments.

The problem continues in Evo 0.15.  Attachments sent encrypted by Evo
are not usable when received on an emailer other than Evo.  The
encrypted attachment from Evo is not separated as an attachment like it
should be and is shown with the email body in some format language (does
not appear to be typical pgp encrypted text).


Jerry, you had made the comment that the pgp coding had not changed
between Evo version 0.13 and 0.14.  Is it possible that there was a
change in how Evo handles attachments (mime, base64, QP)?
 


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[Evolution] NEW problem with Evo and encryption

2001-10-03 Thread Ralph Sanford

A new problem has been spotted regarding the use of Evo and encrypted
email.  This is regarding email that is encrypted but does not contain
an attachment.

When encrypted email is received by evo there is a lock icon displayed
until the email is decrypted for display.  So far so good.  After
reading the displayed message it is decided to reply to the original
sender.  Hit the reply button and a new message window is opened with
the original message included EXCEPT that the original message that is
being quoted is now encrypted.  This is not so good, in fact this is not
workable.  It is impossible for me to type a comment into an encrypted
block of text.  Also the original poster does not know what his message
looks like after it is encrypted and since the original message was
encrypted to my public key then it is not possible for him to open it
anyhow.  Once the message has been decrypted by me for my use then I
should be able to send it to whomever I choose in plain, decrypted text
or encrypted IF I so choose.

I believe this was handled correctly in Evo 0.13 it is incorrect in 0.14
and 0.15



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Re: [Evolution] Focus on message list?

2001-10-04 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 10:46, Zot O'Connor wrote:
> I am finding whenever the list updates new messages it resets the focus
> to about 1/3 Up.
> 
> Said another way, instead of looking at the last message received, it is
> jumping to about 2000 out of 3600.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 

Yes, I wrote to the list on Sept 17 about this.  I found that the focus
would change from the message I was viewing to the most recent message
that I had directly opened from the message list.  There being no one
else that mentioned it, I then sent a message to Bugzilla, have not
heard anything since.

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Re: [Evolution] NEW problem with Evo and encryption

2001-10-04 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 15:34, Dan Berger wrote:
> I think there's a bug in bugzilla on the topic, no?  Eventually it
> would be friendlier if Evo did the "right thing" in both cases - since
> the recipient has no control over the broken mailers on the send side
> (hell, I'm ecstatic when I find someone who can spell pgp ;)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 02:46:48PM -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > 
> > The problem with in-line pgp encrypted messages is that we have to do
> > evil hacks to detect and then decrypt the text and show it in the
> > viewer. When we go to reply, we use a different code path that looks for
> > the "message body" part and sends that off to the composer. It doesn't
> > do any evil hacks to decrypt pgp encrypted blocks.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> 
> -- 
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> 

As some one who has correspondents obviously using in-line pgp
encryption, I would also appreciate if Evo could work in either case.

I am using email to communicate with other persons and telling those
people to change their emailer because my email program is using a
different spec is not going to happen.


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[Evolution] RC2 still broken

2001-11-18 Thread Ralph Sanford

Downloaded and installed Evo RC2 using Red Carpet on to SuSE 7.2.  I was
looking forward to a fix for the broken PGP that started in RC1.

RC2 does not provide any relief.  A message signed by PGP is reported in
Evo as PGP 2.6.x is not supported.  EXCEPT the sender signed the message
using PGP 6.5.8 (I know that because I signed from a second machine and
emailed it to myself).  The message is readable so the error report from
Evo is just very annoying.

However if the message is encrypted then Evo is broke, dead,
non-functional.

IF the message is encrypted, and of course if there is an encrypted
attachment, then Evo shows the header of the message and the error
indication from Evo that 2.6.x is not supported.  The body of the
encrypted message, the attachment and any possible method of recovery
are not visible.  The is no encrypted undeciphered text, no icon or menu
holding the text, nothing.

The recovery is to set Evo to leave messages on the server at all
times.  And then to close Evo and use a different email client to
retrieve messages from the server, sort through those messages, find the
encrypted message and view the email all through the other email client.

The result is that I am having to manage 2 email clients and the
messages left on the server when all I want to do is receive and send
encrypted email, preferably with Evo.

While Evo's handling of encrypted email is not perfect, as I have
mentioned in earlier posts, prior to RC1 it was generally functional.  I
understand that there was a change with PGP coding in RC1 with the
removal of support for PGP 2.6.x.  Now there needs to be a fix so that
encrypted messages can be used with Evo with at least the functionality
that was in the previous beta releases.


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[Evolution] Spell checking in SuSE

2001-11-18 Thread Ralph Sanford

If you are using Evo in SuSE 7.2 and are getting tired of Red Carpet
refusing to download the aspell and gnome-spell packages needed to get
spell checking working in Evo try the following:

Use Red Carpet to replace your newer pspell package with pspell
0.12.2-ximian.4 from the SuSE channel of Red Carpet.  Red Carpet still
won't load aspell or gnome-spell but now you are on the way.  Go to
ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/suse-72-i386 and grab the rpm's for
aspell and gnome-spell.  Use Yast1 to install aspell and gnome-spell;
roughly the same as --force with your favourite rpm package except that
it will automatically fire up Suseconfig for you.  

Now spell checking works in Evo (assuming that you have turned spell
checking on in Gnome control centre).  Slick.  Just need to find a way
to get English rather than American spelling.

I have had this set up for several days now and the older version of
pspell does not appear to cause any problems, except that Red Carpet
wants to upgrade to the newer version of pspell.

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Re: [Evolution] RC2 still broken

2001-11-18 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Sun, 2001-11-18 at 18:48, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> On Sun, 2001-11-18 at 20:18, Ralph Sanford wrote:
> > Downloaded and installed Evo RC2 using Red Carpet on to SuSE 7.2.  I was
> > looking forward to a fix for the broken PGP that started in RC1.
> > 
> > RC2 does not provide any relief.  A message signed by PGP is reported in
> > Evo as PGP 2.6.x is not supported.  EXCEPT the sender signed the message
> > using PGP 6.5.8 (I know that because I signed from a second machine and
> > emailed it to myself).  The message is readable so the error report from
> > Evo is just very annoying.
> 
> You are a tad bit confused here, Evolution isn't complaining that the
> sender signed the message with pgp 2.6.x, it's complaining that you have
> Evolution configured to use pgp 2.6.x and that that version of pgp is no
> longer supported for use within Evolution.
> 
> > 
> > However if the message is encrypted then Evo is broke, dead,
> > non-functional.
> > 
> > IF the message is encrypted, and of course if there is an encrypted
> > attachment, then Evo shows the header of the message and the error
> > indication from Evo that 2.6.x is not supported.  The body of the
> > encrypted message, the attachment and any possible method of recovery
> > are not visible.  The is no encrypted undeciphered text, no icon or menu
> > holding the text, nothing.
> > 
> > The recovery is to set Evo to leave messages on the server at all
> > times.  And then to close Evo and use a different email client to
> > retrieve messages from the server, sort through those messages, find the
> > encrypted message and view the email all through the other email client.
> > 
> > The result is that I am having to manage 2 email clients and the
> > messages left on the server when all I want to do is receive and send
> > encrypted email, preferably with Evo.
> > 
> > While Evo's handling of encrypted email is not perfect, as I have
> > mentioned in earlier posts, prior to RC1 it was generally functional.  I
> > understand that there was a change with PGP coding in RC1 with the
> > removal of support for PGP 2.6.x.  Now there needs to be a fix so that
> > encrypted messages can be used with Evo with at least the functionality
> > that was in the previous beta releases.
> > 
> 
> All that you need to do is point evolution to your pgp binary and it
> will auto-detect that the binary is pgp 6.5.8 and *poof*, problem
> solved.
> 
> Jeff
> 

Something is out of whack here.  This computer never had any PGP 2.6.x
versions installed in any OS: so if Evo saw a PGP 2.6.x binary it was
mistaken.

However I checked to be sure some package did not sneak PGP 2.6.x in as
a dependency or whatever and my system remains clean with just a single
version of PGP 6.5.8i.   In an effort to try your fix I went to the Evo
account setup and changed the binary from PGP to other and then tried to
change it back to /usr/bin/pgp.  Evo refused to accept and retain the
change to pgp!  At this point the fun is definitely gone.  PGP 6.5.8 is
there, it works, and my copy of Evo denies it. Have no idea what caused
this, but I not interested in playing anymore.

Grabbed the pgp keyrings moved them into gnupg which is loaded by
default on SuSE, some quick tweaking and Evo can again read encrypted
messages.  BTW Evo seems to remember the gnupg passphrase for the
complete (pgp was iffy) and the signature report from gnupg appears to
have better qualitative content than the previous PGP signature reports.
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[Evolution] Mouse not working with new install of 7.3

2001-12-02 Thread Ralph Sanford

Installed SuSE 7.3 on my desktop,though the X-server and mouse problems
made this a very lengthy install.  The X is working now but the mouse is
still a problem.  I had saved data and other files and did a clean
install of 7.3.

At this time if I boot directly to a graphical interface then the mouse
does not function.  I can use the keyboard to Tab around KDM and get to
a windowed environment, but without a mouse there is no reason to be
there. 

If I startup to a text - console interface and then use "startx" I go
directly to KDE and the mouse is working.  From a text - console typing
in "init 5" will go to KDM and the mouse is working.  This is functional
but not as convenient as loading directly to the GUI. And this is
definitely not the computer to show windows users how easy linux is to
use.

Any suggestions as to what needs to be tweaked, modified or removed so
that this computer can boot directly to KDM?  Switching between init 3
and init 5 shows that GPM is added and removed, however I do not want to
rush in and remove a utility (such as GPM) until I know that it is safe
to do so.  Should this be switched off?

This computer has been a problem install of X since I got started at
SuSE 6.2.  Alternatively the problem has appeared to be motherboard
BIOS, video card,or  mouse.  The install have always been without X and
then use yast or sax to get X working.  This install of 7.3 had just
been harder than previous installs.  So far I have tried configuring
with yast, yast2, sax, sax2 and xf86config.  I have used several of the
mouse protocol (ps/2 using psaux, worked in the past and is in place
right now), changed the video settings and tried booting with and
without frame buffers (matrox video card). I could not find a solution
in the reference or configuration manuals.  Also no solution on the SuSE
database. 

This is an out of the box clean install of SuSE 7.3, and not a hand
rolled kernel.  


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[Evolution] Mouse not working with new install of 7.3 - Now SORRY !

2001-12-02 Thread Ralph Sanford

My apologies to the evolution list.

I obviously did not check the address that this was being sent to. This
was intended for another list.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


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[Evolution] Feature request, or where are these hidden?

2001-12-09 Thread Ralph Sanford

After spending much of today fleshing out my contacts section of
evolution, the following observations came up;

1.  Within the "contacts" it is possible to sent email to the contact
that is open.  Being that evolution is a fine email program this makes
sense.  But for quite a number of contacts I have also typed in their
WWW address, so why can not evolution call up the default browser from
within the contacts area of evolution?
  Evolution is destined to be a primary PIM for many people (possibly
their only information manager), why not allow a significant piece of
that information to be accessed from within evolution?  For example if
someone has a number of contacts in their suppler category, then while
reviewing their category listing in evolution it would also be possible
to check the suppliers website.  Bookmarks in a browser are a separate
information listing and not synchronized with evolution.  One way to
manage the information is to allow for browser access from evolution
email OR contacts.


2.  "Contacts" has two very useful tools to help manage the information
namely "contact lists" and "categories".  Can they be used together so
that a contact list can be tagged to be included in certain categories. 
Right now tagging an individual contact and its associated email
addresses to a specific category or three is very easy.  How about
allowing a contact list, with its email addresses, being similarly
tagged to categories.
  For example. A category called the "XYZ Corporation" may have a number
of names and email addresses, but that number of names will be smaller
than the entire contact section of evolution.  A contact list may have
the names of the Board of Directors of XYZ Corp, or the accounting group
of XYZ, or a group of golfing buddies from the XYZ Corp.  I would like
to be able to have evolution recognize these three contact lists as
being in the category XYZ Corp.  This would be very useful rather than
having to scroll through the entire contact section of evolution to find
a contact list.


If necessary I guess this could be considered a feature request /
proposal.  Alternatively perhaps someone could tell me where they
already exist within evolution.



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Re: [Evolution] Spell problems take two

2001-12-09 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 22:07, Jeff Soule wrote:
> I have been struggling to get spell check to work with no luck from day
> 1...
> 
> I just discovered that if I start evolution as root spell check will
> work.  any ideas whith this additional info what the problem could be?
> 
> BTW Redhat 7.0
> 2.4.14 kernel
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
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> ~~~


Do you have spell checking turned on Gnome Control Center for each user
in addition to being turned on for root?


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Re: [Evolution] Spell problems take two

2001-12-09 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 00:03, Jeff Soule wrote:
> I think that I do...
> 
> How can I verify it?  The Gnome Control Center/HTML Viewer says that I
> do.  Also the gnome-spell-component starts when creating an email 
> ps -e | grep gnome-spell
> 15727 ?00:00:00 gnome-spell-com
> 
> ?
> 
> /Jeff
> 

If you are checking the Control Center as a user, then I would believe
that it has been checked.  It just seemed like a possibility on your
system where you have spell checking that works but only for one user
(root), that maybe the HTML Viewer had only been adjusted for root
settings and not for each of your users.

Other than that, I can not help you very much.  I currently have 3 SuSE
(SuSE 7.2 and 7.3) systems setup to enjoy spell checker in Evolution. 
The way it is accomplished in SuSE ( which may mean nothing to your RH
system) is as follows:
1.  Install pspell-0.12.2-ximian.4.i386 using your preferred RPM manager
to overwrite the existing and higher version numbered files.
2.  Use the SuSE program YaST (like rpm --force) to install
aspell-0.33.7.1-ximian.3.i386 and gnome-spell-0.4-ximian.1.i386.  There
are dependency problems reported that need to be forced through when
installing these rpms in SuSE.  The YaST program will also run a
configuration utility called SuSEconfig after the installation of the
rpms.
3.  Go to gnome control center and turn on spell checking.
4.  Log off and then log on.

In SuSE the sequence of installation is important to get evolution spell
checking to work.  Pspell-0.12.2 MUST be installed before aspell and
gnome-spell.  Perhaps you can remove pspell, aspell and gnome-spell from
your system and then reinstall in sequence?  

YMMV.


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Re: [Evolution] Spell problems take two

2001-12-10 Thread Ralph Sanford

I understand your frustration, however I can not provide any additional
insights.
 
The method that I described works for SuSE 7.2 or 7.3 on a desktop or
laptop with a KDE environment.  Would have expected that this method
would easily worked for you assuming that you are using RH and Gnome.

Looks like the guys from Ximian will need to provide your solution.

Ralph


On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 09:16, Jeff Soule wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
> I already tried reinstalling pspell, aspell and gnome-spell :-(
> The strange thing is that it works for root and not my own less
> privilaged login...  I realy need a spelling checker as I don't spell
> well at all.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> /Jeff
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 23:44, Ralph Sanford wrote:
> > On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 00:03, Jeff Soule wrote:
> > > I think that I do...
> > > 
> > > How can I verify it?  The Gnome Control Center/HTML Viewer says that I
> > > do.  Also the gnome-spell-component starts when creating an email 
> > > ps -e | grep gnome-spell
> > > 15727 ?00:00:00 gnome-spell-com
> > > 
> > > ?
> > > 
> > > /Jeff
> > > 
> > 
> > If you are checking the Control Center as a user, then I would believe
> > that it has been checked.  It just seemed like a possibility on your
> > system where you have spell checking that works but only for one user
> > (root), that maybe the HTML Viewer had only been adjusted for root
> > settings and not for each of your users.
> > 
> > Other than that, I can not help you very much.  I currently have 3 SuSE
> > (SuSE 7.2 and 7.3) systems setup to enjoy spell checker in Evolution. 
> > The way it is accomplished in SuSE ( which may mean nothing to your RH
> > system) is as follows:
> > 1.  Install pspell-0.12.2-ximian.4.i386 using your preferred RPM manager
> > to overwrite the existing and higher version numbered files.
> > 2.  Use the SuSE program YaST (like rpm --force) to install
> > aspell-0.33.7.1-ximian.3.i386 and gnome-spell-0.4-ximian.1.i386.  There
> > are dependency problems reported that need to be forced through when
> > installing these rpms in SuSE.  The YaST program will also run a
> > configuration utility called SuSEconfig after the installation of the
> > rpms.
> > 3.  Go to gnome control center and turn on spell checking.
> > 4.  Log off and then log on.
> > 
> > In SuSE the sequence of installation is important to get evolution spell
> > checking to work.  Pspell-0.12.2 MUST be installed before aspell and
> > gnome-spell.  Perhaps you can remove pspell, aspell and gnome-spell from
> > your system and then reinstall in sequence?  
> > 
> > YMMV.
> > 
> > 

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Re: [Evolution] PGP/GPG issues

2001-11-19 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Mon, 2001-11-19 at 08:19, Dan Winship wrote:
> On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 22:22, Jason Kasper wrote:
> > A couple of questions regarding encryption in evolution  
> > 
> > First, if I send an e-mail and encrypt it from evolution to a recipient
> > who uses kmail or Microsoft Outlook (no comments please), the e-mail
> > isn't detected as being PGP-encrypted in either of those two mail
> > clients (I've not checked others).
> 
> Yeah, support for PGP/MIME among other mailers seems to be pretty
> abysmal. I think we're going to have to support sending old-school
> inline PGP messages as well.
> 

Thank you, I will truly look forward to this backward compatibility from
Evo.

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Re: [Evolution] multiple email addresses -follow up question

2001-11-28 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 14:59, Dan Winship wrote:
> > good.  However, many of my contacts have multiple email addresses.  (The
> > address book allows up to 3 if memory servers).  But the chooser doesn't
> > seem to allow me to choose which email address I wish to use for the
> > contact I wish to select.
> 
> Yeah, the UI for this should get better eventually. For now, you can
> right-click on the underlined address in the "To" entry of the composer
> after exiting the address-picker dialog, and it will let you pick which
> email address you wanted.
> 
> -- Dan

As a related question to the above:
If a contact has multiple email addresses, how do you send to more than
one address for the same person?  Once you have selected ONE of the
addresses then none of the remaining addresses can be selected.  It
appears that once a contact address has been used then all of that
contact listing is not accessible, can not add the UI add the contacts
other addresses as CC or BCC (except by typing the address)

The right click to select an address works most of the time, but does
not acknowledge how to send to multiple address.  The contact list can
accommodate up to 3 addresses, now how to get the emailer to deal with 2
or 3 of those addresses simultaneously. 

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Re: [Evolution] Making evolution my default mail client

2001-12-19 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 16:29, Alec Edworthy wrote:
> What I meant was I cannot get any of the following to work:
> 
> mailto:"%t"; 
> mailto:"%s";
> "mailto:%t";
> "mailto:%s";
> 
> They all just result in either %s or %t appearing in the To: box of the
> compose window.
> 
> Anyone got any ideas?
> 
> Sorry for not making myself clear last time :-(
> 
> Alec
> 
> On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 23:15, Alec Edworthy wrote:
> > Something even weirder I cannot get mailto:"%t"; or mailto:"%s"; or
> > "mailto:%t"; or "mailto:%s"; on my system, using Ximian Gnome and
> > Evolution 1.0.0.99 +cvs.2001.12.13.08.57
> > 
> > Anyone got any ideas?
> > 
> > Thanks, Alec
> 

For KDE control centre in the setting LAN -> email use:
evolution mailto:"%t";

For Gnome control centre in the URL handler use 
protocal: mailto  and set as: evolution "%s"

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Re: [Evolution] forward with attachments?

2002-01-02 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:21, Gil Hauer wrote:
> Please forgive the lame question but is this possible? I can't seem to
> find any options or menu commands to do this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gil
> 
> 

Perhaps I do not understand your question as the answer seems fairly
straight.  

- from the message that you want to forward select "forward" from the
tool bar or Ctrl F from the keyboard or use the menu bar -> Actions ->
Forward As if you want to send the forwarded message inline rather than
the default as an attachment.  The default forward will open up a new
message window with the message being forwarded added as an attachment.
- in the new message window select "attach" from the tool bar. Add a
recipient address and send.  Is this what you meant?

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Re: [Evolution] forward with attachments?

2002-01-03 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 06:24, Gil Hauer wrote:
> Sorry -- let me be more clear:
> 
> I received a mail message that contains attachments which I would like
> to forward intact. When I try and forward it all of the attachments
> disappear and I cannot forward them without first saving them and
> composing a new message.
> 
> The question, then, is whether there is an easier way.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Gil
> 

There is an easier way.  When I receive email with attachments I can
forward the message and the attachments by clicking "forward" on the
tool bar.  The attachment window in the new message only shows the
message that is being forwarded, but the attachments are also included.


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[Evolution] Evolution 1.0.1 on SuSE

2002-01-13 Thread Ralph Sanford

Appears to be an unresolvable dependency in SuSE when trying to add
Evolution 1.0.1.   The system already has Evolution 1.0 installed and
working fine.

Evolution 1.0.1 has additional dependencies beyond 1.0, namely:
libgal19
libiconv.so.2

Libgal19-0.19-ximian.1.i386 has a dependency of libiconv.so.2

The latest libicon rpm that I could find at ftp.ximian was
libiconv-1.5.  Installing libiconv-1.5 does not appear to solve for
libiconv.so.2.  Forcing ligal19 and evolution1.0.1 produces a
non-functional version of evolution as evo will not load without
libiconv.so.2.  

Reinstalling evolution-1.0.ximian.3 over evolution 1.0.1 results in a
working evolution without the need for libiconv.so.2.

Any suggestion on how to resolve and upgrade evolution on SuSE?


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Re: [Evolution] E 1.0.1, Red-Carpet & SuSE 7.2; Now SuSE 7.3

2002-01-21 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 05:08, Uwe Stieber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I discovered the same issue last week and got quick help from the Ximiam
> team :-). You can get an libiconv RPM package from
> http://primates.ximian.com/~thunder/pkg-out/suse-72-i386/. After
> installing the package (only temprorary till the dependency is removed),
> you can upgrade to Evolution 1.0.1. This eMail is written with Evo 1.0.1
> on a SuSE 7.2 system.
> 
> Best regards,
> Uwe Stieber
> 
> > I'am using SuSE 7.2 with KDE (will switch back to Gnome soon) and
> > Evolution 1.0. It's not possible to change to the new version of E,
> > because there is libiconv.so.2 missing.
> > 
> >  Red-Carpet output:
> >  Package gtkhtml needs package libiconv.so.2 which cannot be found.
> >  Package libgtkhtml20 needs package libiconv.so.2 which cannot be found.
> >  Package evolution needs package libiconv.so.2 which cannot be found.
> >  Package libgal19 needs package libiconv.so.2 which cannot be found.
> > 
> > There were one or two questions about this issue in the last days, but
> > none was answered (or did I miss the answers?). Is there already any
> > solution? Any hints?
> > 

I had reported the similar problem early last week for SuSE 7.3.  I did
not receive a helpful response from ximian like Uwe did, however, Uwe's
response works for SuSE 7.3.

Downloaded and installed the libiconv-1.5-ximian.3.i386.rpm as mentioned
above then installed:
libgal19-0.19-ximian.1.i386.rpm
evolution-1.0.1-ximian.2.i386.rpm

This is what was needed to get evolution upgraded from a working 1.0 to
a working Evolution 1.0.1 on SuSE 7.3.

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Re: [Evolution] Re: [Users] .... NOW spell chicking for SuSE

2002-02-06 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 01:10, Jim George wrote:
snipped
> I have SuSE7.1 and have no spell-check functionality at all. :(
> 
> I have tried installing aspell, pspell, and gnome-spell but aspell has a
> dependency on libltldl.so which I can't seem to find any where (for my
> distribution).
> 
> Can anyone give me a definitive (I know it sounds like I want it on a
> plate bu tI've chased this one round for so long now) answer as to how I
> get spell-checking working under evolution?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jim
> 
This methods works for SuSE 7.2 and 7.3.

If you are using SuSE try the following IN THE SEQUENCE LISTED:
1. using red carpet, rpm or whatever load pspell0.12.2-ximian.4 (not a
newer version)
2. ftp the aspell and gnomespell rpm's from Ximian.
3. use Yast1 to install aspell and gnomespell (rpm --force might work,
but I know that Yast definitely does and ignores the dependency)
4. using gnome control centre -> html viewer -> miscellaneous ensure
that spell checking is enabled and that you have selected the language
"en", not en-gb or en-ca.

This should work, but only if you do it in sequence and possibly offer a
sacrifice to the deity of your choice.

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Re: [Evolution] Re: [Users] .... NOW spell chicking for SuSE

2002-02-08 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 00:46, Jim George wrote:
> If it's ok with you guys I'm going to keep on with this as I really need
> to get it working.
> 
> I now have the following rpms installed;
> 
> ispell-3.1.20-297
> aspell-en-gb-0.33.7.1-ximian.3
> gnome-spell-0.4-ximian.1
> pspell-devel-0.12.2-ximian.6
> pspell-0.12.2-ximian.4
> aspell-0.33.7.1-ximian.3
> 
> I should point out that I had to force aspell to install using --nodeps as it 
>complains bitterly about a missing 
> libltdl.so.0. The only rpm I could find containing this was for red-hat 7.1 (I run 
>SuSE 7.1).  Even after installing
> it aspell still complained.
> 
> Please let me know what else I need to do to get this working?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jim
> 
snipped

If you force using --nodeps then it appears that you used rpm to
install.  Do not know for sure that rpm works.  Yast1 does work and
calls up SuSEconfig.  I would recommend quitting evolution, killev etc.,
removing all the spell packages and then install pspell, aspell and
gnomespell in the sequence and manner that I had described earlier. 
Restart X, and set html viewer -> miscellaneous to "en".  This exact
method is what I found that works.

aspell-en-gb does not work.  Or at least did not as of November.

 
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Re: FW: [Evolution] A dependency problem

2002-02-14 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 11:27, Rory D. Hudson wrote:
> I haven't heard back from anyone regarding this issue, and I was curious
> if someone knew a solution to my problem.  I currently can't get
> evolution to install on two of my machinesPlease help me, thank you
> very much
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rory D. Hudson  
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:03 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [Evolution] A dependency problem
> 
> Hello there
> First off Evolution and red-carpet are really shaping up and looking
> great.  However, I am having one problem here that I hope somebody could
> help me with.  I had a computer with version 0.14.99 of Evolution.  I
> wanted to install the newest version of Evolution so here is what I did
> I removed Evolution 0.14.99, and when I go to install the newest version
> of Evolution via Red Carpet I receive the following error message: 
> Unable to complete RPM transaction: dependencies are not met:
> Evolution-0.14.99-snap.ximian.200109272130 requires libgpilot.so.0
> Evolution-0.14.99-snap.ximian.200109272130 requires libgpilotdcm.so.0
> Evolution-0.14.99-snap.ximian.200109272130 requires
> libgpilotconduit.so.0
> I am confused as to why I am receiving this because I have already
> removed Evolution.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thanks again
> and keep up the awesome work!
> 


For whatever reason, it would appear that removing evolution14.99 is
causing a dependency issue within Red Carpet.  Probably that most
reliable way to get evolution up and running again is to bypass Red
Carpet.  After you have a functioning system maybe Red Carpet will work
in the future.

Without knowing what distro you are using and what gnome-ximian files
you may have on your computer it is impossible to tell how to get your
system working, however, here are two attempts:
1. Reload the evolution rpms that you had originally used to get 14.99

2. Ignore 14.99 and go directly to evolution 1.0.2 using the rpms from 
ftp.ximian.com .  This will involve considerable dependency problems but
the people using SuSE 7.3 and Mandrake 8.1 had to do this until
recently.  before 1.0.2 was available, below was the minimum rpms needed
to get SuSE 7.3 to install evolution 1.0.1.  Your mileage WILL vary.
gnome-spell-0.4-ximian.1.i386.rpm
aspell-0.33.7.1-ximian.3.i386.rpm
bonobo-1.0.14-ximian.1.i386.rpm
bonobo-conf-0.14-ximian.1.i386.rpm
evolution-1.0.1-ximian.2.i386.rpm
gnome-pilot-0.1.63-ximian.2.i386.rpm
gtkhtml-0.16.1-ximian.1.i386.rpm
gtkhtml-1.0.0-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libbonobo-conf0-0.14-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libgal14-0.14-ximian.2.i386.rpm
libgal18-0.18.1-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libgal19-0.19-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libgtkhtml15-0.12.0-ximian.6.i386.rpm
libgtkhtml18-0.15.0-ximian.2.i386.rpm
libgtkhtml19-0.16.1-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libgtkhtml20-1.0.0-ximian.1.i386.rpm
libiconv-1.5-ximian.3.i386.rpm
libnss3-0.9.5-ximian.1.i386.rpm
pilot-link-0.9.5-ximian.2.i386.rpm
pspell-0.12.2-ximian.4.i386.rpm
Just go through this list one at a time and satisfy all dependencies and
then you will have a working evolution.
 
This is not a direct answer to your question, but it is an answer to
your problem.

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Re: [Evolution] Reading threads

2002-02-24 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 11:49, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> Then use 'p' instead of 'n' ;-)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 08:50, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> > On a related note, I normally sort upwards so newest messages are at the
> > top. when I move a message I've just read to a more-appropriate folder,
> > I'd like the selection to move to the next message in sort order, ie.
> > upwards, not downwards.
> > 
> > 
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> 

Is it possible to sort the messages with the newest messages on top and
then be able to read upwards PLUS deleting the read messages.

The only potential keyboard shortcut I have found for this is ctrl-d;
but this only works in the downward direction and I would rather have
the option to do this upwards. 


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Re: [Evolution] how many people actually use pgp over gpg, and why?

2002-06-25 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:15, Michael Leone wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 09:31, Michael Rothwell wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 20:04, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > > I have just recently rewritten support for gnupg using the --status-fd
> > > [...]
> > > Evolution 1.1.x. I would also like to know why you won't use gnupg.
> > 
> > I don't know anyone who uses PGP anymore. Even people using crypto on
> > Windows are using gpg these days, in my limited experience. Plus, GPG is
> > free, portable, and available, whereas PGP is not free and has been 'end
> > of lifed,' so to speak.
> 
> Then you should get out and meet more people. :-)
> 
> I use PGP when on Windows, since there are no decent GPG plugins for my
> MUA (Pegasus). And I know of at least 2 others who use PGP on Windows.
> There's also no decent GUI for GPG on Windows, and most Windows users
> wouldn't know a command line if it bit them. :-)
> 

Have to agree with Michael on the use of PGP in windows.  An end-user or
consumer type person using windows may use PGP, but is extremely
unlikely to use GPG or have even heard of GPG.

In order to use evolution to communicate quickly and efficiently with
computer users (still more likely to be windows users), evolution and
GPG needs to be compatible with people who use email clients ranging
from outlook express, outlook, through to eudora, pegasus and pmmail. 
Communicating with persons using evolution/GPG on linux is an extremely
small percentage of the world of computer users.

Rather than any effort being made to rationalize any reduction in
compatibility between linux/evolution/GPG and the rest of world using
PGP, I would far prefer that ability of evolution users to communicate
with windows email clients be enhanced.  Such as the ability to
seamlessly send encrypted attachments to the above named email clients. 
BTW, we are not actually communicating with them if they can not open
the encrypted attachments seamlessly as well.  

I do not really want to get into a debate about the benefits of GPG vs
PGP or PGP in line quoting vs RFC compliance.  I just want to be able to
use evolution to communicate seamlessly with the greatest number of
other email users.


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Re: [Evolution] how many people actually use pgp over gpg, and why?

2002-06-26 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 00:16, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 01:56, Ralph Sanford wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 21:15, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 09:31, Michael Rothwell wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 20:04, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > > > > I have just recently rewritten support for gnupg using the --status-fd
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > Evolution 1.1.x. I would also like to know why you won't use gnupg.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know anyone who uses PGP anymore. Even people using crypto on
> > > > Windows are using gpg these days, in my limited experience. Plus, GPG is
> > > > free, portable, and available, whereas PGP is not free and has been 'end
> > > > of lifed,' so to speak.
> > > 
> > > Then you should get out and meet more people. :-)
> > > 
> > > I use PGP when on Windows, since there are no decent GPG plugins for my
> > > MUA (Pegasus). And I know of at least 2 others who use PGP on Windows.
> > > There's also no decent GUI for GPG on Windows, and most Windows users
> > > wouldn't know a command line if it bit them. :-)
> > > 
> > 
> > Have to agree with Michael on the use of PGP in windows.  An end-user or
> > consumer type person using windows may use PGP, but is extremely
> > unlikely to use GPG or have even heard of GPG.
> > 
> > In order to use evolution to communicate quickly and efficiently with
> > computer users (still more likely to be windows users), evolution and
> > GPG needs to be compatible with people who use email clients ranging
> > from outlook express, outlook, through to eudora, pegasus and pmmail. 
> > Communicating with persons using evolution/GPG on linux is an extremely
> > small percentage of the world of computer users.
> 
> You're missing the point completely. You do not need to use PGP in
> Evolution to be compatable with people using other clients with PGP, GPG
> is PGP compatable and thus my question boils down to:
> 
> Is there any reason to allow LINUX users to use pgp 5.0 or pgp 6.5.8
> when they have gpg as a valid option (that is probably better in every
> way shape and form including support, since, well, pgp has none).
> 
> > 
> > Rather than any effort being made to rationalize any reduction in
> > compatibility between linux/evolution/GPG and the rest of world using
> > PGP, I would far prefer that ability of evolution users to communicate
> > with windows email clients be enhanced.  Such as the ability to
> > seamlessly send encrypted attachments to the above named email clients. 
> > BTW, we are not actually communicating with them if they can not open
> > the encrypted attachments seamlessly as well.  
> > 
> > I do not really want to get into a debate about the benefits of GPG vs
> > PGP or PGP in line quoting vs RFC compliance.  I just want to be able to
> > use evolution to communicate seamlessly with the greatest number of
> > other email users.
> 
> 
> Surf on over to http://bugzilla.ximian.com, assign bugs 17540 and 17541
> to yourself and get hackin' ;-)
> 
> 
> You also realise that Microsoft didn't write the PGP code used by
> Outlook, NAI did. And NAI is no longer supporting that stuff :-)
> 
> The way I see it, that means we don't have to either.
> 
> Jeff
> 

Since the message subject is and remains: "how many people actually use
pgp over gpg, and why?"   I do not feel that have completely missed any
point.

How many people actually use pgp?  In my experience virtually all
windows users that are using public key encryption are using pgp,
because it is easier for them to use than GPG.  I believe that this is
the point that Michael Leone was also trying to make.  Your experience
may be different but that does not make my experiences less valid and
does not mean that I have missed the point.

I never said that anyone needed to use pgp in evolution to be compatible
with other email clients or for any other reason.  With regard to your
new question of allowing linux user to use pgp in evolution, that is
really a question of convenience to existing pgp users vs the ability of
ximian to program evolution to work as efficiently as possible.  I would
suggest that every encrypted mail user from windows that tries linux
will initially start with pgp as their keys are pre-existing and pgp
will be more familiar to them.  In the general computer world and even
among linux users with limited experience, my experience remains that
pgp is more common.  Not trying to suggest that there are not valid
reasons to switch to gpg, but stating t

Re: [Evolution] Spell checking no longer works with SuSE 8.0

2002-08-15 Thread Ralph Sanford

On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 09:10, Paul Hands wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I recently upgraded to SuSE 8.0 from 7.3.  I have evolution 1.08 and
> connector 1.07 under KDE3.
> 
> Since the upgrade, spell checking doesn't work in Evolution new mail.  I
> have loaded gnome_spell, aspell and pspell..
> 
> An rpm query gives..
> pspell-12.2-206
> aspell-0.33.7.1-91
> aspell-en-0.33.7.1-91
> gnome-spell-0.4-1.ximian.2
> ispell-3.2.06-114
> ispell-american-3.2.06-114
> ispell-british-3.2.06-114
> 
> 
> In the gnome preferences, spell checking is turned on and the dialect is
> set to "en".  The "spell check document" option is active in the
> composer, but even with blatant typos, insists that there are no
> spelling errors.  I've tried it with a dialect of en_gb and en_GB as
> well, to no avail.  The presence or absence of ispell makes no
> difference.  If I remove aspell or pspell, the spell check option gets
> grayed out in the menu, so the system seems to be aware of the state of
> the installation.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Paul
> 

Hi Paul,

A couple of small possibilities for you.  Did you get the evolution
1.0.8 rpm from www.usr-local-bin.org?  The rpm from that site has been
particularly good about working with spell check.

Also there is a version of gnome-spell from that same site
gnome-spell-0.4.1-SuSE.jeo.1  that I am using on several SuSE computers
which may be different than the version that you are using.

Finally you can try adding the pspell-dev from the SuSE CD.  One of my
installs refused to spell check in evolution until I got desperate and
added this file.  No, I do not know why it works that way, but it did.

HTH


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Re: [Evolution] Contact List View

2003-01-07 Thread Ralph Sanford
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:25, Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
> Am I missing something obvious, or is it not possible to view contacts
> grouped by category?
> 
> TTFN, 
> Lonnie Borntreger
> 
> 

Appears to be a slight change in operating method from 1.08 -> 1.2
My recollection of 1.08 was that immediately after selecting the
category that the appropriate contacts would be shown. 

Now, after selecting the category you will notice a small box to the
right of the category selection drop down menu.  The box says "Find
Now".  Click on it and the appropriate category will then be displayed. 
What used to be an automatic one-step procedure is now two-steps.

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Re: [Evolution] Contact List View

2003-01-07 Thread Ralph Sanford
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:25, Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
> Am I missing something obvious, or is it not possible to view contacts
> grouped by category?
> 
> TTFN, 
> Lonnie Borntreger
> 
> 

Appears to be a slight change in operating method from 1.08 -> 1.2
My recollection of 1.08 was that immediately after selecting the
category that the appropriate contacts would be shown. 

Now, after selecting the category you will notice a small box to the
right of the category selection drop down menu.  The box says "Find
Now".  Click on it and the appropriate category will then be displayed. 
What used to be an automatic one-step procedure is now two-steps.

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