Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 20:34 -0700, Alexander Miller wrote: First, make sure you backup your filesystem, don't just rely on the backup created within Evolution. I guess you mean the Evolution files, not the entire filesystem? Well I sort of meant your whole home directory, including all the .* files and directories. That would be just everything in ~/.local/share/evolution? Sorry, Evo uses more than .local/share/evolution - although I can't recall the exact ones for 2.28. That's why I said to backup everything. The backup file created within Evo tars up all the requisite files plus information on the configuration - then the restore process just untars the file and leaves Evo to upgrade what's necessary when it restarts. So you can do all this with just the Evo backup file, but it's safer if you have another copy of the files elsewhere. I'm a novice user so I need fairly detailed step-by-step help. Evo should upgrade an old file structure the first time its run - be careful not to run Evo without the old files in place because it will create all the necessary things and not do the upgrade when the files are put in place I've never had any problems ever with the Evo upgrade process, but I've never done such a fairly large jump of versions. I'm not really talking about an Evolution upgrade process - rather about doing a fresh install of Mint 17 after deleting v.14; then installing Evo via the package manager, which would use Evo 3.10.4 (or maybe later.) My question then is how to save the data now, from 2.28.3, and later load it into the newer version. The file structure where Evo keeps all the data and account info changes over time to take account of efficiency and improvements. When a new version of Evo runs and it detects an old style file structure, the first thing it does is to upgrade all the files and directories to the new format(s). It is that upgrade process I'm talking about, not the upgrade of the Evolution application. If you do a large jump in versions, the upgrade process must go through multiple procedures to get the data files to the most recent formats. Some of those conversions are more monumental than others. There is more scope for things to go wrong if you are doing 5 upgrade procedures rather just one. But nevertheless, even if the automatic upgrade fails, the mail folders will still all exist in the backup. Evo stores the mail in standard formats - whether that be mbox or Maildir - so all you need do is to find the mail folders and copy the mail over by hand within Evo. Yes, it's a pain having to do that, but it is possible to do. I, and many others, have detailed the process for doing this on the mailing list many times over the last few years. I've been searching the mailing list archives but find it a bit difficult to locate posts that a) I fully understand and/or b) help me. Here's one I posted from Aug 2013 === Whatever the case, get your old mail into a temporary directory (copy from the backup or untar the backup file), find the exact unix directory that your files are in - if they are from your F16 system, I think that already used maildir format, so they will be in tmp/.local/share/evolution/mail/local (where tmp is the directory you untarred the backup into - DON'T do it in your home folder). Now within Evolution, create a new account - the email address you enter doesn't matter, you won't be using it - and for Server Type select Maildir format mail directories and point it at the directory you located above (i.e. tmp/.local/share/evolution/mail/local), There will now be a new account in the left hand side bar containing all the backed up mail. Copy that mail to the required location in Evolution - either under On This Computer or a remote folder. Once you have copied everything you want, then delete the account in Evolution and delete the files from the temporary directory. Please don't be tempted to just leave the temporary account in place and keep using it - it won't be backed up by Evolution and it is better to let Evo look after its data in its own private folders. == As for IMAP I don't feel a need for it and don't understand how it would help if I were to switch to it now. Because IMAP mail is held on a server somewhere so you don't have to worry about migrating the data to a new version. I've been perfectly happy with POP and 2.28.3. I wouldn't be thinking of upgrading Mint to the current LTS if it weren't for the recent publicity about bash vulnerability. It's vulnerable certainly - but it's only critically exploitable if you run externally facing services that call a shell. But yes, you should run a version that isn't vulnerable. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
I occasionally get this too. I use Evolution with IMAP on various devices (Desktop,Laptop). I like having all my sent messages stored via IMAP... so regardless of device, I can see what I have sent. The problem seems to happen when there is a poor network connection - so Evolution instead stores the outbound message locally. Coincidently, my outbound Submission is on the same server that hosts IMAP... (possible workaround?) It would be cool if when this happens, the message could be later synchronised into my INBOX/Sent folder when comms are better. On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 14:38 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing. The reported error was Failed to append to INBOX/Sent: Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.. Check that the Sent folder location is correct - go to Edit - Preferences - (Select Account) - Edit - Defaults. The Sent Messages folder: should be something sensible. If it isn't, click on the box and select the place where you want your sent messages saved. -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa m...@posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496 For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
Pete, thanks for your patience and very complete reply. I'll see if I can work my way through the details in the post you quoted. I'm just a user of the computer with very slight understanding of the hard software structures; and I'm too long in the tooth / short in the mental stamina (capacity?), to imagine ever catching up :(. Because IMAP mail is held on a server somewhere so you don't have to worry about migrating the data to a new version. I do understand that but since I haven't been using it, it would be of no help now in migrating my existing data, most of which resides only on my machine. Unless I'm missing something? Thanks again, Alexander. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 09:10 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: As for IMAP I don't feel a need for it and don't understand how it would help if I were to switch to it now. Because IMAP mail is held on a server somewhere so you don't have to worry about migrating the data to a new version. The OP asked how it would help now. The used account/s is/are POP, so the answer seems to be, that it doesn't help right now, but it would help to avoid issues in the future. JFTR I'm using POP, because I experienced more issues when using IMAP. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 01:59 -0700, Alexander Miller wrote: I do understand that but since I haven't been using it, it would be of no help now in migrating my existing data, most of which resides only on my machine. Unless I'm missing something? You're missing that you might need to do such an update in the future too. It doesn't help you right now, but _might_ prevent from the same issue in the future. I prefer POP, but indeed most people claim to have less issues when using IMAP. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
I do understand that but since I haven't been using it, it would be of no help now in migrating my existing data, most of which resides only on my machine. Unless I'm missing something? Create an IMAP account now. Copy all your current mail to the IMAP account now. Now don't worry about moving your data. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
As for IMAP I don't feel a need for it and don't understand how it would help if I were to switch to it now. Because IMAP mail is held on a server somewhere so you don't have to worry about migrating the data to a new version. The OP asked how it would help now. The used account/s is/are POP, so the answer seems to be, that it doesn't help right now, As I just said, it could help *right now* by copying all the mail to the IMAP server before attempting to do an upgrade. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
Ralf/Pete: I'll consider which route to go. I have some bias against having my mail semi-permanently stored elsewhere than on my own machine. I know that's not entirely logical in some respects but still ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 14:38 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing. The reported error was Failed to append to INBOX/Sent: Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.. Check that the Sent folder location is correct - go to Edit - Preferences - (Select Account) - Edit - Defaults. The Sent Messages folder: should be something sensible. If it isn't, click on the box and select the place where you want your sent messages saved. P. I have it set as .Sent in Maildir folder, the screenshot below shows this. Permissions for the .Sent folder are drwx-- 6 chris chris 4096 Oct 3 08:29 .Sent Sometimes it saves to the correct sent folder but more often than not it doesn't. -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11°N 97.89°W (Elev. 1092 ft) 09:44:15 up 2 days, 17:59, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.36, 0.60 Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, kernel 3.13.0-37-generic ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Some HTML messages cause evolution to take all resources
RE: Evolution 3.10.4 running under Ubuntu 14.04 on DELL Vostro 3500 with 8 GM RAM Increasingly, evolution is taking over my PC when it encounters messages written in HTML These are business-related messages that cannot be ignored. This morning, I have had message take all available RAM and all of a 6.6 GB swap file. This causes PC to lock up or become useless for minutes at a time while evolution does its thing. These are not new types of messages, but one similar to those I was receiving a few weeks ago. I hope someone can explain what is happening. Thank you, John ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
I have it set as .Sent in Maildir folder, the screenshot below shows this. Permissions for the .Sent folder are drwx-- 6 chris chris 4096 Oct 3 08:29 .Sent Sometimes it saves to the correct sent folder but more often than not it doesn't. I'm not entirely clear about something here - your screen shot shows that the sent folder is ChrisP/INBOX/Sent - so presumably the Evolution account ChrisP is a Maildir folder on your own computer? If so, then surely the folder name should be .INBOX.Sent? Or if the INBOX mail folder is really the Inbox (other than just being called that!), then it would be ..Sent. The .Sent directory refers to the Maildir folder ChrisP/Sent. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 10:30 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote: I occasionally get this too. I use Evolution with IMAP on various devices (Desktop,Laptop). I like having all my sent messages stored via IMAP... so regardless of device, I can see what I have sent. The problem seems to happen when there is a poor network connection - so Evolution instead stores the outbound message locally. Coincidently, my outbound Submission is on the same server that hosts IMAP... (possible workaround?) It would be cool if when this happens, the message could be later synchronised into my INBOX/Sent folder when comms are better. I guess you could call this a 'local' IMAP setup since the the folders are not on a remote server but here on the desktop. I've been using the type of setup for years and until my Mandriva box died back in July never had any issues of this type with Evolution. On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 14:38 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing. The reported error was Failed to append to INBOX/Sent: Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.. Check that the Sent folder location is correct - go to Edit - Preferences - (Select Account) - Edit - Defaults. The Sent Messages folder: should be something sensible. If it isn't, click on the box and select the place where you want your sent messages saved. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11°N 97.89°W (Elev. 1092 ft) 07:52:18 up 3 days, 16:07, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.31, 0.32 Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, kernel 3.13.0-37-generic ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 12:46 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: I have it set as .Sent in Maildir folder, the screenshot below shows this. Permissions for the .Sent folder are drwx-- 6 chris chris 4096 Oct 3 08:29 .Sent Sometimes it saves to the correct sent folder but more often than not it doesn't. I'm not entirely clear about something here - your screen shot shows that the sent folder is ChrisP/INBOX/Sent - so presumably the Evolution account ChrisP is a Maildir folder on your own computer? If so, then surely the folder name should be .INBOX.Sent? Or if the INBOX mail folder is really the Inbox (other than just being called that!), then it would be ..Sent. The .Sent directory refers to the Maildir folder ChrisP/Sent. P. Correct, all mail goes to a Maildir folder with their own '.' name. This is exactly the same way Evo was setup on my old Mandriva box before it died including the settings that were in the screenshot. All that should be doing is telling Evo that 'Sent' is a separate folder in the Maildir folder. Maybe I should have mentioned, if I didn't, that I have this setup as a local IMAP account using CourierIMAP so in the Maildir folder I have cur, new, tmp for the INBOX and the rest of the folders are in '.' format. that have their own cur, new, tmp folders. But, you probably know this. And again, this problem doesn't happen every time but it's intermittent. For instance I just replied to another post on this list and it saved to the correct 'Sent' folder. I guess the real question is what does this mean: Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation Chris -- Chris KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C 31.11°N 97.89°W (Elev. 1092 ft) 07:56:19 up 3 days, 16:11, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.14, 0.25 Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, kernel 3.13.0-37-generic ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
I'm not entirely clear about something here - your screen shot shows
that the sent folder is ChrisP/INBOX/Sent - so presumably the
Evolution account ChrisP is a Maildir folder on your own computer? If
so, then surely the folder name should be .INBOX.Sent? Or if the
INBOX mail folder is really the Inbox (other than just being called
that!), then it would be ..Sent. The .Sent directory refers to the
Maildir folder ChrisP/Sent.
Correct, all mail goes to a Maildir folder with their own '.' name. This
is exactly the same way Evo was setup on my old Mandriva box before it
died including the settings that were in the screenshot. All that should
be doing is telling Evo that 'Sent' is a separate folder in the Maildir
folder. Maybe I should have mentioned, if I didn't, that I have this
setup as a local IMAP account using CourierIMAP so in the Maildir folder
I have cur, new, tmp for the INBOX and the rest of the folders are in
'.' format. that have their own cur, new, tmp folders. But, you probably
know this.
Why not just have it as a local Maildir account rather than getting
Courier involved in it?
Anyway, presumably the setup of having all the mail folders appearing to
hang off INBOX is a Courier config thing and is just presentational
rather than reflecting the structure of the folders on the disk.
And again, this problem doesn't happen every time but it's
intermittent. For instance I just replied to another post on this list
and it saved to the correct 'Sent' folder. I guess the real question is
what does this mean:
Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation
It's a Glib error - from the source code:
==
if (stream-priv-pending)
{
g_set_error (error, G_IO_ERROR, G_IO_ERROR_PENDING,
/* Translators: This is an error you get if there is
* already an operation running against this stream when
* you try to start one */
_(Stream has outstanding operation));
return FALSE;
}
=
Can you see from the logs if the error is generated by Evo or is it
passed back to Evo by Courier? It strikes me that some thread may be
having problems writing - the problem is finding what: is it Courier
writing to the disk or Evo writing to IMAP.
P.
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Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 03:35 -0700, Alexander Miller wrote: Ralf/Pete: I'll consider which route to go. I have some bias against having my mail semi-permanently stored elsewhere than on my own machine. I know that's not entirely logical in some respects but still You can download from an IMAP server and delete them there too and even store IMAP in your home, but that's where the issues with IMAP started for me, by getting duplicated emails. I'm using POP, but I never upgraded by such huge steps as 2.28.3 to 3.10.4. Nowadays I'm using a rolling release, so I only update from one to the next release. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing.
On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 14:59 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
I'm not entirely clear about something here - your screen shot shows
that the sent folder is ChrisP/INBOX/Sent - so presumably the
Evolution account ChrisP is a Maildir folder on your own computer? If
so, then surely the folder name should be .INBOX.Sent? Or if the
INBOX mail folder is really the Inbox (other than just being called
that!), then it would be ..Sent. The .Sent directory refers to the
Maildir folder ChrisP/Sent.
Correct, all mail goes to a Maildir folder with their own '.' name. This
is exactly the same way Evo was setup on my old Mandriva box before it
died including the settings that were in the screenshot. All that should
be doing is telling Evo that 'Sent' is a separate folder in the Maildir
folder. Maybe I should have mentioned, if I didn't, that I have this
setup as a local IMAP account using CourierIMAP so in the Maildir folder
I have cur, new, tmp for the INBOX and the rest of the folders are in
'.' format. that have their own cur, new, tmp folders. But, you probably
know this.
Why not just have it as a local Maildir account rather than getting
Courier involved in it?
Anyway, presumably the setup of having all the mail folders appearing to
hang off INBOX is a Courier config thing and is just presentational
rather than reflecting the structure of the folders on the disk.
And again, this problem doesn't happen every time but it's
intermittent. For instance I just replied to another post on this list
and it saved to the correct 'Sent' folder. I guess the real question is
what does this mean:
Error appending message: Stream has outstanding operation
It's a Glib error - from the source code:
==
if (stream-priv-pending)
{
g_set_error (error, G_IO_ERROR, G_IO_ERROR_PENDING,
/* Translators: This is an error you get if there is
* already an operation running against this stream when
* you try to start one */
_(Stream has outstanding operation));
return FALSE;
}
=
Can you see from the logs if the error is generated by Evo or is it
passed back to Evo by Courier? It strikes me that some thread may be
having problems writing - the problem is finding what: is it Courier
writing to the disk or Evo writing to IMAP.
P.
I can't find any logs for courier or the imap daemon anywhere. The issue
is still intermittent. Of 5 test posts to myself 2 saved to the right
sent folder the other 3 showed the error. Stopping the imap daemon of
course kills the connection.
--
Chris
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31.11°N 97.89°W (Elev. 1092 ft)
14:00:00 up 3 days, 22:15, 3 users, load average: 0.41, 0.32, 0.24
Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, kernel 3.13.0-37-generic
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Re: [Evolution] Case insensitive regexp based message filter
Am Mittwoch, den 01.10.2014, 14:41 -0400 schrieb Dragan Jurkovic: Is it possible to specify regexp based message filter to match case insensitive pattern? I tried (?i)pattern but Evo is complaining about invalid regexp. /pattern/i does not work as well. Platform Evolution 3.10.4 on Ubuntu 14.04. Thanks, Dragan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Well, there is an option in mail filters to forward the mail to a program. So, you may try to feed the mail to grep -i ... -- thomas ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Case insensitive regexp based message filter
Am Samstag, den 04.10.2014, 22:46 +0200 schrieb Thomas Mittelstaedt: Am Mittwoch, den 01.10.2014, 14:41 -0400 schrieb Dragan Jurkovic: Is it possible to specify regexp based message filter to match case insensitive pattern? I tried (?i)pattern but Evo is complaining about invalid regexp. /pattern/i does not work as well. Platform Evolution 3.10.4 on Ubuntu 14.04. Thanks, Dragan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Well, there is an option in mail filters to forward the mail to a program. So, you may try to feed the mail to grep -i ... There also exists a program called grepmail, http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/, to scan emails. -- thomas ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Migrate data from 2.28,3 to 3.10.4
On Sat, 2014-10-044 at 17:27 +0200 Ralf Mardof wrote: You can download from an IMAP server and delete them there too and even store IMAP in your home, but that's where the issues with IMAP started for me, by getting duplicated emails. I'm using POP, but I never upgraded by such huge steps as 2.28.3 to 3.10.4. Nowadays I'm using a rolling release, so I only update from one to the next release. While the issue of IMAP v. POP has been widely commented, I have not seen comments in the thread about the Linux Mint update procedure outlined here: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2 The process involves making an backup of the home directory (for which Mint provides a tool), which would include the Evo data. I would follow the Evo backup procedure to try to restore later. However, the Mint update procedure should be sufficient to assure that there is a separate copy of all data. In response to a prior suggestion, I recently had to move selected messages from one Evo installation to another and used the procedure described earlier for creating a file and treating it as a separate account and then moving the messages to my account. The approach works perfectly and is something I first learned after trying Kmail . . . and discovering after the fact that it had no export function! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
