Re: [Evolution] Why does Thunderbird work and Evolution fail?

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

To the OP - Sorry for the double up, forgot to hit "reply list" :)

Just a probably completely wrong suggestion...  Setting up a new router 
yesterday, same machine same IP address same everything else except the 
new router also handles IPv6 and may've talked to gmail on that.


Before I could get Thunderbird in I had to respond to Google's "critical 
security alert" and click the 'yes this was me' box. Nothing else I 
tried would let Thunderbird connect.


Check for one of those. Also check the "allow /insecure/ apps" setting 
is turned on (yeah, like your web browser (especially Chrome!) is going 
to be more secure than Evo or TB!), although if Thunderbird is working 
that should be.


Gmail got its customer base by being simple to use. They have now gone 
and made it damned annoying to use. But there's a lot of work in 
changing after using them for so many years. Must get off my backside 
and rebuild my own server.


On 11/09/21 3:25 am, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list wrote:

Thunderbird 78.13.0 (64-bit)
Evolution 3.40.5 (flatpak gite4cdc88)
Kernel: 5.4.0-84-generic x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
Distro: Linux Mint 20.2 Uma

So I currently have 8 Gmail/G-Suite accounts that use imap and oauth2.
As of my upgrade to LM 20.x, Evolution fails to authenticate into the 
gmail

environment.

Every time Evolution attempts to connect via imap, I get the login 
dialog, followed
by the request to allow/deny Evolution access to my account. I provide 
the required
information and nothing happens.  No list of emails, no previews, no 
indication of email being available.


At the next time interval or the next time I click Send/Receive, the 
same things happens.


The only clue seems to be that on the 2nd and following attempts the 
login popup says "Oauth2 secret not found".  I haven't cleared any 
caches intentionally, maybe accidentally.


Yet,  same set up, same machine Thunderbird is running flawlessly on 
the same 8 accounts.  Checking the Google account pages, shows for 
every account that both

Evolution and Thunderbird  are authorized.

So why does Evolution fail when Thunderbird succeeds?

What did I screw up?

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Re: [Evolution] Calendar is read-only

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Just a suggestion (and please bear in mind that I have NO google 
calendar experience and it is after midnight here!)


Is there a setting in Google that you need to toggle? Often if you wish 
to add Thunderbird or other mail programs to Google's email, you need to 
change a security setting to "allow less secure apps" (yes, they 
consider TB etc 'less secure' than using a web interface!)


I don't have experience with their calendars, but would wonder if there 
is something with them you need to alter?


Hope this helps, and really hope I don't push you into looking in a 
false direction!


On 20/08/21 12:07 am, Lucas Eichhorn via evolution-list wrote:

Hi!
I was looking for alternatives to TB (on Ubuntu) and came across
Evolution. Looks pretty nice and it also has the must-have calendar
feature. However it seems to stay in “read-only”, I tried 3 ways of
adding it. Which means I cannot add/edit events and that makes the
calendar useless to me. I searched a bit online but couldn't find a
solution. Could you help me out? Am I doing something wrong? The
calendars I want to add are Google calendars and I tried the options of
adding: Google, On The Web, CalDAV.
Best! :)

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Re: [Evolution] Safe to delete .debris folder? Y/N?

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

On 22/02/21 11:04 pm, Andy Proctor via evolution-list wrote:



[..]
Do you by any chance have Mega installed and linked to your Evolution 
folder?

[..]
No worries, thanks it really helps, yes I do have mega installed and linked to 
my evolution folder. It would point to it being sync errors across machines, or 
items deleted on one then moved to the other.
Useful to know, thoughts on "safe to delete"? I might just move/rename and see 
and report back.
Rename or move would be best (and I do that often myself if I have any 
doubts), however there is a 'clear' button if you go to Mega -> Settings 
-> Advanced.


There's also a schedule option, on mine it is set to clear .debris after 
30 days which I suspect is the default. I only have 2 files there, a 
script runs on my media PC every few hours to check the IP address and 
overwrites one file when it changes (every few months), with that file 
synced over mega (in case I ever need to access a machine while away 
from home)


I believe (and I could be wrong on this) that the  .debris folder is 
used where files change often and there's some uncertainty as to which 
is the correct version, or in cases where files change on 2 clients 
causing conflicting versions. I only have a couple that may change and 
there's copies of them in my debris folder, but in your case you'd 
probably have quite a few and changes, and if more than one machine uses 
that sync and can update emails (via the email server), and wind up 
polling simultaneously, that could lead to apparent conflicts.


I'm replying to the list in case it helps others with similar questions. 
Very little search results on this folder on duckduckgo etc :)


Take care,
KR
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Re: [Evolution] Safe to delete .debris folder? Y/N?

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Hi there,

I've only seen ".debris" folders from the sync/cloud backup tool "Mega" 
(aka 'mega.nz'). I haven't come across it anywhere else on my system or 
any other's I've administered (and a check on the machines here that 
have Mega shows it somewhere with that, those that don't have Mega don't 
have such a folder).


Searching on the web also only finds references to Mega.

Do you by any chance have Mega installed and linked to your Evolution 
folder?


HTH,HAND,
KR

[Sorry for the repeated message Andy, I often forget to hit "reply-list" 
and didn't manage to catch it this time :)]


On 21/02/21 3:23 am, Andy Proctor wrote:

Hi All,

I have been doing some routine housekeeping and notice that the 
Evolution subfolder called .debris contains lots (thousands) of files 
(totals over 300MB). Am I safe to delete this folder and what is its 
purpose? (It doesnt seem to be the trash as I empty that on close.


Thanks

Andy

PS I know I can move it somewhere else, but really interested to know 
what it is first.


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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Hi Daniel,

Are you able to ping the address "www.googleapis.com" (open a terminal, 
type the command "ping www.googleapis.com"). That will tell you if there 
is any name resolution issues on your end or not. 
https://www.googleapis.com initially did not respond when I tried it in 
my browser, but http:// did work (though only giving a "not found" text 
on the page (different to a 404). The https version now gives the same 
response, so I wonder if they had an outage?



In thunderbird on this machine the URL being used is 
"*oauth://accounts.google.com* (https://mail.google.com/)" - I don't 
know if Evolution will manage that or not. I cannot see where to find 
that URL in Evolution.


Can I ask you to check the settings for the mail account in Evolution? 
For my gmail account there I have


Receiving email :
Server : *imap.gmail.com* port *993*
username : my email address
Encryption : TLS on a dedicated port
Authentication OAuth2 (Google)

Sending email :
Server : *smtp.gmail.com* port *465
*Encryption : TLS on a dedicated port
Authentication OAuth2 (Google)*
*
I believe Evolution should get these settings automatically, but there 
could be a glitch somewhere causing something to be off.


As at the start, I'd check that you can reach the googleapis URL first, 
as a firewall glitch or other issue may be stopping that.


I hope this is of some use,
KR


On 14/02/21 5:01 pm, Daniel Caron via evolution-list wrote:

image.png
Good day everyone, first time comer here.
I am having this problem with the first time connection with Evolution
This is what I end up with, any solution here

Daniel Caron
carondaniel1...@gmail.com 



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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Patrick, while I agree that the form of quoting you prefer seems 
naturally better, for quite some time now the form that Daniel Caron 
used is the most common. It is absolutely irritating but you might as 
well try to stop any of the other tides of behaviour those of us who 
prefer the old 'hand-crafted' ways find annoying. Most people do it and 
the few of us who normally don't are disappearing.


For the same reason I gave up the fight against HTML in email some 20 
years back. We cannot win, we can only do our best to remember a better 
world, and keep some flame alive.



A number of email clients make it harder to quote properly, especially 
those on Android it seems, and probably a number of Windows clients.


I see the style of quoting that Mr Caron uses consistently in email 
discussions from scientists, lawyers and judges alike. I also see it 
from mechanics and other well-trained people, suggesting that the styles 
those of us who have been around tech for decades consider "normal use" 
may not be as natural to others as they seem to us. They certainly don't 
seem to appear natural to experts in other fields!


Please do understand that other people have different work-flows to 
yours, and those flows work for them :) It's a lot more helpful to try 
to deal with the problem than it is to jump on someone because you don't 
see that others have different ways of doing things :)


[I'll go hide in the bushes now, pretending I'm waiting to pounce like a 
tiger whereas I'm really just snoozing till mealtime like a common moggy]


On 15/02/21 7:16 am, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2021-02-14 at 12:46 -0500, Daniel Caron wrote:

ok sorry for that

And you top-quoted again ...

The easy way to avoid this is to just select the part of the text you
want to comment on before hitting Reply, then Evo will quote only that
and place the cursor after it. You can then move it around to split the
text and insert comments where you want, but most of the time just one
comment is enough and this will do the right thing.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Sorting by "unread"

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Good evening,

Firstly, my thanks for your work on this project.

On 20/01/21 10:14 pm, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:

On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 12:45 +1300, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:

that still leaves many messages scattered throughout the
listing.

Hi,
by any chance, is View->Group By Threads checked? The screenshots of
Thunderbird you posted in another message in this thread suggest you do
not use it there, thus if it's enabled in Evolution you might want to
disable it too.

Just a wild guess.



Not quite a perfect guess I'm afraid. It has improved things 
considerably but those that I've replied to are still further down the 
list. I have the ones that are unread and not replied to, then the rest 
of the messages that haven't had replies, then the messages that have 
had replies.


I blame being stuck in a Windows shop where the best I could use was 
Thunderbird. If I'd been allowed Linux and Evolution life would've been 
a hell of a lot easier, and I'd have developed more sane workflows :)


Thanks again.

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Re: [Evolution] Sorting by "unread"

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

I don't have a "read status" column, nor is it in the list. I have 
status, flagged, attachments, received date, from, subject, and date. If 
I bring up "add column" I get the options of to, size, flag status, 
follow up flag, due by, location, sender, recipients, messages, messages 
to, labels, subject - trimmed, UID, sender mail and recipients mail.


The one you're suggesting is the one I desperately want! :)

As previous, version is "*3.36.4-0ubuntu1*" - is this perhaps something 
that version lacks for some reason?


Thanks very much for your time!

On 20/01/21 9:08 pm, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:

On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 12:43 +1300, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:

With Thunderbird, when I set up a new mail folder (whether the inbox
of
a new account or some other folder). I first click the Date header to
sort by date, then I click the "sort by read" column

Click the "Read status" column header to sort by [un]read status. Then
Ctrl-click the date column header to apply as secondary sort criterion.

andre
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Re: [Evolution] Sorting by "unread"

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Thanks, but that still leaves many messages scattered throughout the 
listing. I think replying to a message also alters the "status", hence 
it's not just read/unread but read, unread, replied-to and perhaps 
something(s) else.


On 20/01/21 9:44 am, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:

On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 09:29 +1300, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:

  As per previous, I'm still hoping to be able to simply sort my
messages by whether or not an email is flagged as 'read'.

Click on the header of the (by default) first column in the list.

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Re: [Evolution] Sorting by "unread"

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Installation is default as of this morning (I'd not installed it on this 
machine before today).


With Thunderbird, when I set up a new mail folder (whether the inbox of 
a new account or some other folder). I first click the Date header to 
sort by date, then I click the "sort by read" column


I've put a couple of screenshots at https://postimg.cc/gallery/KYshgKM 
to show what I am referring to.


With the workflow I've developed over the last however many years I've 
been using Thunderbird (at least 9), this is quite useful to me. I don't 
have the ability to remember to do things like changing views, which is 
why I am stuck on TB since it lets me see all my unread stuff at the top 
of the list, then everything else in date order below that. At a single 
glance as I walk past the screen I can see if there is anything to take 
care of that I may have forgotten, rather than having to remember to 
change screens for whatever else may be there.


On 20/01/21 10:21 am, Zan Lynx wrote:

On 1/19/21 1:29 PM, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:


As per previous, I'm still hoping to be able to simply sort my 
messages by whether or not an email is flagged as 'read'.


You need to sort by _something_. Probably Received would work best.

Then there is a dropdown near the top of the message list where you 
can choose to view All, only Unread, Last 7 Days, and other options. 
The Unread filter is what you want I think.


That is part of the Search Bar I believe, so if you moved or made that 
hidden somehow you'll have to find it again.




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[Evolution] Sorting by "unread"

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Good morning folks,

As per previous, I'm still hoping to be able to simply sort my messages 
by whether or not an email is flagged as 'read'.


Not by date - some of my contacts get screwed up dates in their system.
Not by whether or not I've replied to a message - some need a followup 
reply and I'd rather keep them handy
Not by whether or not I've seen the message - I may be on the road and 
take a quick look, realise I can't deal with it today, and change it 
back to 'unread' for tomorrow
Not by any of the other sorting options - I just want to bring the 
'unread' messages to the top of the list - ALL of the unread messages.



I just tried with version *3.36.4-0ubuntu1*  on *Mint 20* (64 bit) using 
*Mate 1.24.0* for the desktop


I'd prefer to use Evolution over Thunderbird, and hopefully could work 
with most of the other differences (though I'd need to use TB a half a 
dozen or so times each week for it's "mail merge" plugin at least until 
Ev gets that as a plugin/native :) ), but this one is a definite 
deal-breaker for me :(


Thanks for your time,
KR
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Re: [Evolution] Still stuck with sorting messages

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

No, that's what I have been doing. I'm wondering if "status" is not 
quite the same as "unread" - possibly includes "replied to" and/or 
something else?


Not a major deal-breaking thing, but I do sometimes go hunting for 
emails that I know were their last message or came in around 3 weeks ago 
or.. I'm also one of these weirdos who doesn't remove past emails which 
doesn't help.


On 12/10/20 12:30 am, Steve T via evolution-list wrote:
Does right clicking the heading bar, then customise the current view, 
then sort options give you what you want?

 Status and date can both be specified there I think.



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