Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Are you sure that you just haven't forgot to do Folder/Clean (or Purge, I am not sure with the English wording)? IMHO, exactly in terms of deleted messages on IMAP servers Evolution is much better than Thunderbird, which is just clueless. Google for it a little bit, but IMHO (and in the opinion of the authors of IMAP protocol -- Mark Crispin to name the one) the right way of deleting messages in IMAP folders is to mark them as \Deleted and physically delete them only on purge. Of course, then you have to have „View/Hide deleted messages“ (as Evolution has and Thunderbird and I suspect Lotus Notes doesn't). See Thunderbird's bug for that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359281 Matěj I thought I did expunge as well, but the messages were still there. Honestly I don't remember 100% though. If I move back to Linux, which is likely as Windows is already getting on my nerves, I'm sure I will go back to Evo. I will try it at that time. Thanks, James ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:40:51 -0500, Caleb Marcus scripst: I prefer Evo to Thunderbird, but increased functionality in the Mail component is not why. OK, so why? Matěj ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. In case anyone was wondering, I did the upgrade to Fedora 8 and none of the problems I've complained about recently have gone away, to wit: * Frequent freezes in the UI while composing messages. * Other freezes while Evo contacts servers -- it doesn't seem to be multithreaded in any meaningful sense. * Complete non-funcionality of spam filtering (Bogofilter), which used to work well and now doesn't work at all. Caveats: 1) this is an upgrade, not a reinstall. It's not impossible that some of these problems are due to this. 2) I'll be wiping my Bogofilter database and starting again, just to see what happens. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
non-Mail functions aside, I disagree with your statement that Evolution is vastly superior when it comes to functionality. Thunderbird now has the equivalent of vFolders (search folders) and is far more customizable in many ways. Beyond that, it has a huge library of extensions to add functionality. I prefer Evo to Thunderbird, but increased functionality in the Mail component is not why. On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 22:22 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2007-11-07, 17:37 GMT, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. I think we should admit the honest truth that Evolution is less reliable comparing to my previous kMail (and probably also comparing to Thunderbird, but I have less experience with that -- although I have to admit that some of that experience was pretty horrible, including data loss). On the other comparing to other two, it is vastly superior in amount of functionality. Have you tried vFolders with kmail? Matěj ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On 2007-11-07, 17:27 GMT, James Pifer wrote: 2) I also connected to my corporate mail (Lotus Notes) using IMAP. When I would delete messages they would disappear or become hidden on Evo, but if I used the Notes client the messages were still in the Inbox. I also didn't seem to be able to use Folders. Maybe there were settings that I could have modified this behavior, but I did not see any. Thunderbird handles both of these situations a lot better. The trade off I think, is that Thunderbird is a little bit slower. Good trade off for me since now I do not have to go back periodically and cleanup my Inbox with the Notes client. Are you sure that you just haven't forgot to do Folder/Clean (or Purge, I am not sure with the English wording)? IMHO, exactly in terms of deleted messages on IMAP servers Evolution is much better than Thunderbird, which is just clueless. Google for it a little bit, but IMHO (and in the opinion of the authors of IMAP protocol -- Mark Crispin to name the one) the right way of deleting messages in IMAP folders is to mark them as \Deleted and physically delete them only on purge. Of course, then you have to have „View/Hide deleted messages“ (as Evolution has and Thunderbird and I suspect Lotus Notes doesn't). See Thunderbird's bug for that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359281 Matěj ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 13:42 +1000, Ian Mortimer wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Seems like it might be. I've been using Evolution for a long time also and found it very stable until we moved to Exchange. Not only does Evolution crash more often it generates a bug report on just about every exit (and has a acquired a few other annoying habits like multiple password prompts). Just to reiterate: I can't speak to stability problems with Exchange, but I get stability problems anyway and I've never used Exchange in any shape or form. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
and stop displaying that annoying message dialog when it does the server check for messages... just display a small progress bar in the bottom portion of the window with a cancel operation button. jm2cts. Wendell On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 17:43 -0500, Caleb Marcus wrote: One thing that's always bothered me about Evo is that when it's checking folders or refreshing something, or otherwise connecting to the IMAP server, it refuses to download messages when I click them until it's done or I stop it manually... it seems that in the interest of usability, Evo should prioritize viewing new messages, and cancel the current synchronization operation (or somehow multitask) when the user tries to view a message. On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:39 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). Oh, definitely. As a (non-Evo) developer, I do value consistency and I have to agree that I haven't always seen that with this product. I certainly didn't meant to imply that Evo has no problems at all. In fact, a lot of distro upgrades were solely because of bugs/quirks or inability to upgrade because of all the Gnome dependencies. I will agree that I probably have an extra level of stability through the use of distro packaging. I will easily admit I went to distro-only packaging because of many of the quirks I encountered while using the real releases. On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file). I see occasional problems with filters as well, and junk filtering does seem to work sometimes while not others. Frustrating. Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. Good luck with the upgrade. I saw many improvements moving from Ubuntu's 2.10 to 2.12 packages. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Wendell MacKenzie System Engineer Phone: 613.782.5736 Mobile: 416.997.7934 IM/other: mackendw [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEA Systems, Inc. Corporate Office, USA 2315 North First Street San Jose, CA 95131 Fax: 408.570.8901 www.bea.com The 2 most important rules in life:: 1. Don't tell everything you know Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it.___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
If you use the button to manually check for messages, then the detailed dialog box makes a lot of sense. However, you can set it to automatically check every so often, and it won't display the dialog box then. On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 07:46 -0500, Wendell Mackenzie wrote: and stop displaying that annoying message dialog when it does the server check for messages... just display a small progress bar in the bottom portion of the window with a cancel operation button. jm2cts. Wendell On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 17:43 -0500, Caleb Marcus wrote: One thing that's always bothered me about Evo is that when it's checking folders or refreshing something, or otherwise connecting to the IMAP server, it refuses to download messages when I click them until it's done or I stop it manually... it seems that in the interest of usability, Evo should prioritize viewing new messages, and cancel the current synchronization operation (or somehow multitask) when the user tries to view a message. On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:39 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). Oh, definitely. As a (non-Evo) developer, I do value consistency and I have to agree that I haven't always seen that with this product. I certainly didn't meant to imply that Evo has no problems at all. In fact, a lot of distro upgrades were solely because of bugs/quirks or inability to upgrade because of all the Gnome dependencies. I will agree that I probably have an extra level of stability through the use of distro packaging. I will easily admit I went to distro-only packaging because of many of the quirks I encountered while using the real releases. On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file). I see occasional problems with filters as well, and junk filtering does seem to work sometimes while not others. Frustrating. Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. Good luck with the upgrade. I saw many improvements moving from Ubuntu's 2.10 to 2.12 packages. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Wendell MacKenzie System Engineer Phone: 613.782.5736 Mobile: 416.997.7934 IM/other: mackendw [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEA Systems, Inc. Corporate Office, USA 2315 North First Street San Jose, CA 95131 Fax: 408.570.8901 www.bea.com The 2 most important rules in life:: 1. Don't tell everything you know Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please immediately return this by email and then delete it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Not for me. I don't have any Exchange accounts. Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file). Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). Oh, definitely. As a (non-Evo) developer, I do value consistency and I have to agree that I haven't always seen that with this product. I certainly didn't meant to imply that Evo has no problems at all. In fact, a lot of distro upgrades were solely because of bugs/quirks or inability to upgrade because of all the Gnome dependencies. I will agree that I probably have an extra level of stability through the use of distro packaging. I will easily admit I went to distro-only packaging because of many of the quirks I encountered while using the real releases. On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file). I see occasional problems with filters as well, and junk filtering does seem to work sometimes while not others. Frustrating. Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. Good luck with the upgrade. I saw many improvements moving from Ubuntu's 2.10 to 2.12 packages. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. poc I think that upgrading only to find new and different problems is un-settling at best. Also, I am not keen on the fact that evolution is so dependent on so many other packages, gtk, libsoup, etc. and the only convenient way to upgrade evolution is to upgrade to a newer version of your favorite OS. This is the kind of thing that prevents Linux from making any ground in the enterprise for regular everyday users. Way too much change and a lack stability. When I get newer versions of Firefox or Thunderbird I don't have to upgrade my whole OS and should not. Just a thought don't flame me to death over this it is just a suggestion that if evolution could stand on it's own on a Linux platform that would sure help. And yes there are way more problems with the exchange accounts on evolution than there are with IMAP or POP accounts. Filters are flaky on exchange, the whole exchange backend process dies a lot. whereas my POP account just keeps working and the filters work for it as well. Todd ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. --chris Evo is/was very solid for me. I've been using it for years. I still use it now on FC7 for all my mailing lists. Only reason I moved to Thunderbird on another machine is that it runs Vista instead of FC. I really only had 2 complaints about EVO. 1) It did not seem to handle LDAP very well. Our LDAP directory contains several thousand entries. I believe it was limited to the 1st 1000. I cannot confirm that, nor can I confirm the EVO version I was running. 2) I also connected to my corporate mail (Lotus Notes) using IMAP. When I would delete messages they would disappear or become hidden on Evo, but if I used the Notes client the messages were still in the Inbox. I also didn't seem to be able to use Folders. Maybe there were settings that I could have modified this behavior, but I did not see any. Thunderbird handles both of these situations a lot better. The trade off I think, is that Thunderbird is a little bit slower. Good trade off for me since now I do not have to go back periodically and cleanup my Inbox with the Notes client. Don't get me wrong, I really like Evo, and if there was a stable Windows version I might still be on it. My $0.02. James ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
I've had crashes when I only used one POP account, and I'm still getting crashes with one IMAP account... I should clarify that they're not complete crashes per se, but times when it hangs for a while and can't be closed without --force-shutdown. On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
One thing that's always bothered me about Evo is that when it's checking folders or refreshing something, or otherwise connecting to the IMAP server, it refuses to download messages when I click them until it's done or I stop it manually... it seems that in the interest of usability, Evo should prioritize viewing new messages, and cancel the current synchronization operation (or somehow multitask) when the user tries to view a message. On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:39 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 13:37 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). Oh, definitely. As a (non-Evo) developer, I do value consistency and I have to agree that I haven't always seen that with this product. I certainly didn't meant to imply that Evo has no problems at all. In fact, a lot of distro upgrades were solely because of bugs/quirks or inability to upgrade because of all the Gnome dependencies. I will agree that I probably have an extra level of stability through the use of distro packaging. I will easily admit I went to distro-only packaging because of many of the quirks I encountered while using the real releases. On a different note, my junk filters simnply do not work at all (they do with the distro package). I've tried SA and Bogofilter and they are never automatically activated (I'm tracking them with a log file). I see occasional problems with filters as well, and junk filtering does seem to work sometimes while not others. Frustrating. Tomorrow Fedora 8 will be released so I'll be able to upgrade and hopefully these issues will go away, but it's annoying to try and stay up with the latest Evo's only to find some missing funcionality for reasons that are not clear. Before anyone asks, upgrading to the Rawhide version means installing a large number of additional packages so I don't care to do that, having had other stability problems with Rawhide in the past. Good luck with the upgrade. I saw many improvements moving from Ubuntu's 2.10 to 2.12 packages. --chris ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0400 From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? To: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Not for me. I don't have any Exchange accounts. Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). poc Hi Patrick, A few years ago I used to get freezing of the GUI and a stalled or interrupted flow of text when typing. One of the guys in a LUG that I haunt, suggesting checking my network settings, especially the hosts file. So apart from having 127.0.0.1 localhost I added 127.0.0.1 andrew.Family.home andrew to the hosts file, and everything picked up speed, and no more freezing. YMMV Cheers -- Andrew Greig Community Distributor OpenOffice.org Melbourne, Australia ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Seems like it might be. I've been using Evolution for a long time also and found it very stable until we moved to Exchange. Not only does Evolution crash more often it generates a bug report on just about every exit (and has a acquired a few other annoying habits like multiple password prompts). The Exchange connector also crashes sometimes so although Evolution is still running it can't connect to the Exchange server. A few linux users here have moved from Evolution to thunderbird after being migrated to Exchange (which is ironic when Evolution is the only linux client our Exchange service officially support). Maybe things will improve when Evolution can do MAPI. -- Ian ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 10:30 +1100, Andrew Greig wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0400 From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird? To: Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 11:38 -0500, Chris Williams wrote: That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I can't be the only exception to this. I've been using Evo since it's .9x days on various flavors of Fedora Core, and recently Ubuntu. In all this time, I have only seen Evo crash a handful of times. My initial impression is that Exchange users are the ones that seem to suffer the most, is that the case? Not for me. I don't have any Exchange accounts. Admittedly, I only use Evo to check 5-7 IMAP accounts and occasionally a Groupwise account. I guess I just wanted to comment that there are cases where Evo has, and continues to be rock-solid for some users. No doubt, but in a way that's actually more worrying. i.e. Evo works for some people most of the time and for other people not so much. Evo in all its incarnations has had variable levels of reliability for me, on two different machines, always using Fedora and KDE. The distro packages have I think been more reliable than self-compiled versions, which might mean something. Right now I'm using a self-compiled 2.12.1 on F7 with all distro updates installed and the entire UI freezes every few seconds when I'm typing, when changing folders, and when (apparently) contacting the IMAP server, plus evolution-alarm-notify sometimes eats 100% of CPU and has to be killed (I notice because I monitor my CPU temperature!). poc Hi Patrick, A few years ago I used to get freezing of the GUI and a stalled or interrupted flow of text when typing. One of the guys in a LUG that I haunt, suggesting checking my network settings, especially the hosts file. So apart from having 127.0.0.1 localhost I added 127.0.0.1 andrew.Family.home andrew to the hosts file, and everything picked up speed, and no more freezing. Fascinating. I'll try that, thanks. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:27 +0200, Danie Malherbe wrote: Hi Bob, The only reason why I am sticking to TB and not Evolution is that I use 3 service providers...cellphone, exchange, and home DSL, so it is very easy to switch between the 3 SMTPs in TB (change which SMTP to use for sending your mail), it is just a tab/drop down menu with your choices (pre-setup). Just go to Edit, Account Settings... At the bottom of your Default Identity you can choose any of your setup Outgoing servers (SMTP). Just click on the down arrow and a drop-down box appears with your choices... select the relevant one and send/receive your mail on all your accounts. No need to remember all the settings for each SMTP (server name, UN, PW, etc.) Maybe you know of a way to work around this problem. This is one of the cons I guess... You can create 3 send-only accounts i.e., receiving options will have None and sending option will have your SMTP account details. These accounts will be listed in your Composer. You need to keep the account in enabled state though. Danie Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Sankar P Harver's Law: A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise™ http://www.novell.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:27 +0200, Danie Malherbe wrote: Hi Bob, The only reason why I am sticking to TB and not Evolution is that I use 3 service providers...cellphone, exchange, and home DSL, so it is very easy to switch between the 3 SMTPs in TB (change which SMTP to use for sending your mail), it is just a tab/drop down menu with your choices (pre-setup). Just go to Edit, Account Settings... At the bottom of your Default Identity you can choose any of your setup Outgoing servers (SMTP). Just click on the down arrow and a drop-down box appears with your choices... select the relevant one and send/receive your mail on all your accounts. No need to remember all the settings for each SMTP (server name, UN, PW, etc.) Maybe you know of a way to work around this problem. This is one of the cons I guess... Danie I use both Evolution (on a Linux system) and TB (because I recently got a new laptop so I'm using Vista until it pisses me off enough to go back to Linux) ANYWAY, both of them are easy to switch the service provider to send your mail. When creating a new message both have a drop down in the From: section that you can select any of the configured accounts. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. James ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Thanks Sankar, I was thinking along those lines... good idea though! Danie Sankar P wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:27 +0200, Danie Malherbe wrote: Hi Bob, The only reason why I am sticking to TB and not Evolution is that I use 3 "service providers"...cellphone, exchange, and home DSL, so it is very easy to switch between the 3 SMTPs in TB (change which SMTP to use for sending your mail), it is just a tab/drop down menu with your choices (pre-setup). Just go to Edit, Account Settings... At the bottom of your Default Identity you can choose any of your setup Outgoing servers (SMTP). Just click on the down arrow and a drop-down box appears with your choices... select the relevant one and send/receive your mail on all your accounts. No need to remember all the settings for each SMTP (server name, UN, PW, etc.) Maybe you know of a way to work around this problem. This is one of the cons I guess... You can create 3 send-only accounts i.e., receiving options will have None and sending option will have your SMTP account details. These accounts will be listed in your Composer. You need to keep the account in enabled state though. Danie Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Hi James, What you say is correct. But :-) ... you would already have set up all your accounts to use a specific SMTP setting. So all you are actually doing when choosing the account to send with, is which account information will accompany your email. If you want to use say not your work SMTP, but your home SMTP, you would then have to change the information... :-( It would really be great to have this easy to switch SMTP function in Evol that they are using in TB, I would then def. switch permanently to Evol. Good Luck with Vista... I switched to Ubuntu Feisty at the moment (I have to much problems with my ATI graphics card in Gusty) and I am very happy. I am playing with Windows in VirtualBox at the moment, as I only have a few things that I still need in Wondows... (Endnote being one of them as I need to CWYR). Cheers Danie James Pifer wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:27 +0200, Danie Malherbe wrote: Hi Bob, The only reason why I am sticking to TB and not Evolution is that I use 3 "service providers"...cellphone, exchange, and home DSL, so it is very easy to switch between the 3 SMTPs in TB (change which SMTP to use for sending your mail), it is just a tab/drop down menu with your choices (pre-setup). Just go to Edit, Account Settings... At the bottom of your Default Identity you can choose any of your setup Outgoing servers (SMTP). Just click on the down arrow and a drop-down box appears with your choices... select the relevant one and send/receive your mail on all your accounts. No need to remember all the settings for each SMTP (server name, UN, PW, etc.) Maybe you know of a way to work around this problem. This is one of the cons I guess... Danie I use both Evolution (on a Linux system) and TB (because I recently got a new laptop so I'm using Vista until it pisses me off enough to go back to Linux) ANYWAY, both of them are easy to switch the service provider to send your mail. When creating a new message both have a drop down in the From: section that you can select any of the configured accounts. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. James ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I also find the poor state of TB documentation rather disconcerting (and I say this as someone who's always complaining about the Evo docs). poc On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 07:20 -0600, Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 07:20 -0600, Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Funny, I used Tbird for years (first on Windows, then on several Linux OS'es and OS X) before switching to Evolution last year. Recently I had occasion to return to Tbird for about a week, when in a fit of pique unrelated to Evo I decided to rip most of GNOME out of my system. I was hard-pressed to remember why I had liked Tbird so much for so long. I don't mean to sound as if I'm dumping on it because I'm sure a large part of my discomfort was just having to readjust to its quirks after having become used to Evo's quirks. But I guess I expected to feel like I was returning to an old friend, and instead I found myself thinking that's irritating much more often than I'd expected. For me the principle advantage of Evo is the way it integrates into GNOME. Tbird feels alien outside of Windows (it feels especially alien on OS X), especially when you like to do most things from the keyboard as I do. If you're not a GNOME user, though, it doesn't make as much a difference, I guess. I'm Microsoft-free, so all the Exchange stuff isn't an issue for me either way; if anything, it's a little frustrating to see how much of Novell's Evo effort goes to making Evo work with Exchange. I wonder about the future of Tbird. It seems to be in an uncertain state within the Mozilla Foundation, and one of its main developers just quit. In the beginning it seemed like Firefox and Thunderbird were accorded near-equal priority, but at some point Mozilla started putting way more of its eggs in the Firefox basket and the bird is suffering some neglect -- not so much that it isn't still a viable project or valuable app, but neglect nonetheless. Anyway, I'm back with Evo, which I guess speaks volumes. -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. --S. Jackson ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
In Evolution, I believe that every mail account can have a separate SMTP server... just set the right SMTP server in each account, and you should see a From dropdown box in the Compose window. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:27 +0200, Danie Malherbe wrote: Hi Bob, The only reason why I am sticking to TB and not Evolution is that I use 3 service providers...cellphone, exchange, and home DSL, so it is very easy to switch between the 3 SMTPs in TB (change which SMTP to use for sending your mail), it is just a tab/drop down menu with your choices (pre-setup). Just go to Edit, Account Settings... At the bottom of your Default Identity you can choose any of your setup Outgoing servers (SMTP). Just click on the down arrow and a drop-down box appears with your choices... select the relevant one and send/receive your mail on all your accounts. No need to remember all the settings for each SMTP (server name, UN, PW, etc.) Maybe you know of a way to work around this problem. This is one of the cons I guess... Danie Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
That's very true on my Ubuntu system... Thunderbird is the more stable of the two clients. However, I put up with it. On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:46 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Without wanting to start a religious war, it's been my personal experience that Evo crashes and/or hangs a lot more than TB on the same platform (many versions of Fedora using KDE). Despite this, I use Evo nearly all the time because I'm comfortable with it (maybe that's why I see more problems :-) I also find the poor state of TB documentation rather disconcerting (and I say this as someone who's always complaining about the Evo docs). poc On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 07:20 -0600, Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Moving to Evo from Thunderbird?
I recently switched, and I'm loving the integration with my calendar and everything... you should be able to import all your old Thunderbird downloaded mail by going to FileImport, selecting Single File, and browsing over to ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ and finding your mail files (Not sure where they are, I deleted my Thunderbird folder.) You may have to right click and check off Show hidden files in the file browser to find it. As for contacts, you can export them in Thunderbird to a CSV and re-import them with Evolution the same way you imported your mail (make sure to select Mozilla CSV rather than Evolution CSV in the file type box when you import the file.) On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 07:20 -0600, Bob Root wrote: Is there any further information about moving from Thunderbird To Evolution; Pros and Cons etc. I really like the look and feel of Evolution; have used Thunderbird for years prior to shedding Windows op systems. Thanks Bob ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
