RE: E2K: automatic address list creation

2002-10-23 Thread Roger Seielstad
"Can be"???

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> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Miller [mailto:Kevinm@;wlkmmas.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: E2K: automatic address list creation
> 
> 
> I can be a tool...
> 
> --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP, And Beyond
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-98850@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: E2K: automatic address list creation
> 
> 
> Given enough $ there's a tool to do everything.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Uso [mailto:usofwd@;gmx.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:49 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: E2K: automatic address list creation
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > is there a way to create a hierarchal address list view
> > similar to Exchange 5.5 Address Book views? I have a list of 
> > over 10,000 Contacts of our sister companies that we had 
> > viewed in Exchange 5.5 in view like: Company Name -> Site -> 
> > Department -> Divison I can't find a way to do that 
> > automatically in E2K, I have to create each container 
> > separately. Is there a third party tool that can do that?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Uso
> > 
> > 
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RE: Advice on infrastructure design

2002-10-23 Thread Roger Seielstad
Gotta love corporate politics.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Veld, Paul [mailto:PVeld@;csr.com.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:31 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Advice on infrastructure design
> 
> 
> You'd like working here then!  If a site has more than 10 
> people, we have to
> put in an Exchange server.  If only I could convince them to 
> put all that
> extra money into my bank account instead :-).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com]
> Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 1:13 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Advice on infrastructure design
> 
> 
> No. Move the mailboxes to your central site, and save the 
> cost of 5 Exchange
> servers.
> 
> I have had plenty of 20 person offices hitting Exchange 
> across WAN links
> without issue. In fact, I have 2 offices going half way 
> across Europe, with
> 30 users each, to the only office there that can support 
> Exchange (from an
> admin standpoint).
> 
> Personally, I think a server for less than about 40-50 users 
> is insane.
> 
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange 
> [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk] 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:06 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Advice on infrastructure design
> > 
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Very few to be honest, at our head office we have something 
> > like 30 users,
> > then each site has around 10-15
> > 
> > Am I correct in assuming mailboxes need to be moved to our 
> > central server
> > first, then the sites created, then the mailboxes moved back?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
> > Sent: 10 October 2002 15:41
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Advice on infrastructure design
> > 
> > 
> > Good point
> > 
> > --
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:27 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Re: Advice on infrastructure design
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I agree, but am curious as too how many users at each site?
> > > Do you really
> > > need one at each location.
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Roger Seielstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:40 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Advice on infrastructure design
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Switch to x.400 connectors. There is precious little
> > > difference, at the
> > > > network level, between Site Connectors and intrasite
> > > communications - they
> > > > both rely entirely on RPC connectivity, which frankly 
> blows across
> > > unstable
> > > > or tempermental WANs.
> > > >
> > > > Alternately (since you'd need to own Enterprise to use
> > > x.400 connectors),
> > > > you could also use the IMS as your connector, but I find
> > > x.400 easier to
> > > use
> > > > for connector purposes.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > > > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > > > Atlanta, GA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange
> > > [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:26 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: Advice on infrastructure design
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you will excuse me if this seems like an amateurish 
> > > > > question to ask, but I think we need to revise our 
> > setup, and are 
> > > > > not in a position to hire a
> > > > > consultant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, we have 5 offices connected to each other via ADSL 
> > > > > links, using Sonicwall routers and their VPN capabilities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our Exchange Setup is 1 site with 5 servers. We've 
> had the odd 
> > > > > problem in the past when the ADSL links have gone down, and 
> > > > > messages have been lost.
> > > > > Not often, but once or twice
> > > > >
> > > > > It was suggested to me here that we should configure 
> > each server 
> > > > > as residing in a different site, and configure site connectors
> > > > >
> > > > > I now have an issue where one server experiences massive
> > > delays when
> > > > > delivering messages to other servers (8 hours in some

RE: E2K: automatic address list creation

2002-10-23 Thread William Lefkovics
I find him most useful.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Seielstad
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E2K: automatic address list creation


"Can be"???

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Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Miller [mailto:Kevinm@;wlkmmas.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:43 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: E2K: automatic address list creation
> 
> 
> I can be a tool...
> 
> --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP, And Beyond
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-98850@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: E2K: automatic address list creation
> 
> 
> Given enough $ there's a tool to do everything.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Uso [mailto:usofwd@;gmx.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:49 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: E2K: automatic address list creation
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > is there a way to create a hierarchal address list view
> > similar to Exchange 5.5 Address Book views? I have a list of 
> > over 10,000 Contacts of our sister companies that we had 
> > viewed in Exchange 5.5 in view like: Company Name -> Site -> 
> > Department -> Divison I can't find a way to do that 
> > automatically in E2K, I have to create each container 
> > separately. Is there a third party tool that can do that?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Uso
> > 
> > 
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RE: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
Its especially handy around the kitchen.


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:44 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


ESEUTIL fixes everything.  How long have you been doing this William?
You should know this by now.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


You don't run eseutil to fix permission problems, Daniel?  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Chenault
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


Oh, yes, let's automatically blame the server. And while we're at it,
let's run the utilities willy-nilly and see if something changes. 

What OS are the workstations running? Does this happen with _all_
clients, or just the ones who are complaining? Has it ever worked? What
changed?

-Original Message-
From: Niko [mailto:niko_n@;mail.tel-aviv.gov.il] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Can't send attachment with mail


Hi all,

We are using Exchange 5.5 Server with Service Pack 4(NT Server 4.0 with
Service pack 4) On Client end we are using Outlook 97, 2000 Now the
problem is that we cant send attachment with mails. The error when we
tried to send attachment is following: "you don't have appropriate
permission to perform this operation" "failed operation"

I try run ISINTEG -FIX -PRI(PUB) -TEST ALLTESTS and ESEUTIL /R but it is
not resolve problem

Thanks in advance
Niko


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RE: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
But they can send large attachments?
So, out of the blue this happened? 


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From: Niko [mailto:niko_n@;mail.tel-aviv.gov.il] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Can't send attachment with mail


All my clients can't send small attachments also (20kb)

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RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
Is the business going to accept the store being down overnight while the
database files are being xcopied to another server?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Thanks, sound like an interesting solution. I think whatever we do, the
chances are we are going to lose a days email, and the business is probably
prepared to accept that. 

I will do some digging on it.

Cheers
Greg



-Original Message-
From: Rob Hackney [mailto:Rob.Hackney@;tkcsales.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2002 15:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I had a similar setup at my old place.
We had an online spare server that was setup to xcopy relevant files
(*.edb/etc)from exch server to itself over night.
However, we had created a dual boot on it.  primary boot was just as member
server that was effectively an archive box but secondary boot was a mirror
of the exch server.  that way, when (and it did) the exch server went down,
I simply took out the exch server and booted the backup (used netdom to
remove and add the servers to the network)into its secondary config.  Ran
isinteg patches etc and voila was online in about an hour or so.
disadvantage was that it lost the days emails tho...
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dugas [mailto:brian@;summit-technical.com]
Sent: 21 October 2002 17:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


What if you kept a DR server on its own network separate from the production
network, then if the production server fails, you simply move the DR server
to the production netowrk.  You would need a PDC on the DR network too.


Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


We are looking at keeping an online spare server. I presume I can call it
"fred_bloggs" for example, and when the time comes, rename it, and then do
the install of exchange? It will be a member server (as is the current
server) in an NT4 domain, running NT4. There will of course be a BDC at the
remote site.

Cheers
Greg Heywood
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International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
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RE: Changing Mail Servers

2002-10-23 Thread Vincent Avallone
Can you tell me how you set it up?
Based on Chris's post, I didn't think it was possible.

-Original Message-
From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:Paul.Hurst@;eu.sony.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers

Vincent,

Actually we have two different domains in one of our Exchange sites and we
can 'move mailbox' OK (there is a trust though between the two) between the
servers.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Vincent Avallone [mailto:avallone@;ibiquity.com]
Sent: 22 October 2002 18:10
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers


Is it safe to assume that you are unable to move mailboxes from one Exchange
server in one domain to another Exchange box in a different domain?


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers

You need not do anything for that to work, but it works only for Outlook
with MAPI, and only when you move mailboxes using the Admin or System
Manager tools, not Exmerge.  POP3, IMAP4 or OWA won't automatically
update profiles.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
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[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Vincent
Avallone
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers


Do I have to DO anything for that to work?
It doesn't seem to work. Do I have to disable the old account? Should I
reread Ed's method?

My original server is using Associated Accounts to the new domain.

-Original Message-
From: Chris King [mailto:Cking@;whitneyhawks.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers

As long as the original server is still online it should tell the client
that the mailbox is now homed on the other server, and the client's
profile will be updated accordingly.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-311248@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Vincent
Avallone
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers


The new server is on another domain.

2. Bring up a new Windows 2000 server in the same AD domain as the
existing server.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers

If you followed Ed's Method it will.

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Avallone [mailto:avallone@;ibiquity.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers


Really?
I don't think 2000 will change the profile on the fly.

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:Dale.Edwards@;AmericanTower.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers

I think Exchange is intuitive enough to change the servername
automagically, if you are talking about changing it in the profile for
the User on their machines.  At least Exchange 5.5 was intuitive enough
to know that if I moved Users from Server A to Server B, the User did
not have to do anything. The servername in the profile got changed on
the fly.  If I am way off the actual topic, I apologize.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Changing Mail Servers


Just thought of this one. If you moved people from one server to another
then you will most likely have to touch each workstation.

- Original Message -
From: "Vincent Avallone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Changing Mail Servers


Yes I can what?
How should I change the name?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:thlabse@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Changing Mail Servers

Yes you can. As long as all your workstations are the same. But you
should have done it so it would have been transparent to the users.

- Original Message -
From: "Vincent Avallone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: Changing Mail Servers


Thanks to all your help, my new Exchange 2000 email server is up and
running pretty smoothly so far. When it is time to go live, what are
your suggestion on how to change the server name on my clients? I
thought there may be a registry entry that I can use regini with and
change it, but I haven't been able to find it yet. There i

RE: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
And you've restored from your last good backup/ replayed the transaction
logs? It's 24 hours later, if the data in the database is actualy worth
anything, you're 12 hours late (or more) in calling PSS. If the data in the
database isn't worth anything, delete the database and start over again. 

Oh.. btw, if you're running some shit antivirus software like PantyShield
for Exchange, remove it(completely and totally.. feel free to follow the 20
page long set of manual uninstall instructions) before you call PSS.

-Original Message-
From: Niko
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Can't send attachment with mail

All my clients can't send small attachments also (20kb)

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RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

2002-10-23 Thread Greg Heywood
Well that is the £1m question really..



-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com]
Sent: 23 October 2002 13:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Is the business going to accept the store being down overnight while the
database files are being xcopied to another server?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Thanks, sound like an interesting solution. I think whatever we do, the
chances are we are going to lose a days email, and the business is probably
prepared to accept that. 

I will do some digging on it.

Cheers
Greg



-Original Message-
From: Rob Hackney [mailto:Rob.Hackney@;tkcsales.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2002 15:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I had a similar setup at my old place.
We had an online spare server that was setup to xcopy relevant files
(*.edb/etc)from exch server to itself over night.
However, we had created a dual boot on it.  primary boot was just as member
server that was effectively an archive box but secondary boot was a mirror
of the exch server.  that way, when (and it did) the exch server went down,
I simply took out the exch server and booted the backup (used netdom to
remove and add the servers to the network)into its secondary config.  Ran
isinteg patches etc and voila was online in about an hour or so.
disadvantage was that it lost the days emails tho...
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dugas [mailto:brian@;summit-technical.com]
Sent: 21 October 2002 17:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


What if you kept a DR server on its own network separate from the production
network, then if the production server fails, you simply move the DR server
to the production netowrk.  You would need a PDC on the DR network too.


Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


We are looking at keeping an online spare server. I presume I can call it
"fred_bloggs" for example, and when the time comes, rename it, and then do
the install of exchange? It will be a member server (as is the current
server) in an NT4 domain, running NT4. There will of course be a BDC at the
remote site.

Cheers
Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: Public Folder Anti-Delete Permission

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Still confused. I'll remain blissfully ignorant though. 

-Original Message-
From: Hurst, Paul
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 4:08 AM
Subject: RE: Public Folder Anti-Delete Permission

Chris,

The reference is too multi-site PF's that have PF's from different sites
owning the different sub-folders as the PF tree grows.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
Sent: 22 October 2002 23:17
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Public Folder Anti-Delete Permission


Hmm.. I've never had that problem. How does one get that problem?
 
> Looks like a lot of Exchange admins are having similar 
> problems with users deleting folders.

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RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Hrmm... a subject I actually know quite a bit about. 

So, leaving the pimp hat in the closet, there are a number of possible
methods for moving the data across the WAN. Products such as double-take
(and other high availability solutions listed at www.mail-resources.com in
the high availability portion of the web links section) as well as snapshot
style solutions I haven't had a chance to list yet, exist to potentially aid
in this endeavor. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy David
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

Is the business going to accept the store being down overnight while the
database files are being xcopied to another server?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Thanks, sound like an interesting solution. I think whatever we do, the
chances are we are going to lose a days email, and the business is
probably
prepared to accept that. 

I will do some digging on it.

Cheers
Greg



-Original Message-
From: Rob Hackney [mailto:Rob.Hackney@;tkcsales.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2002 15:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I had a similar setup at my old place.
We had an online spare server that was setup to xcopy relevant files
(*.edb/etc)from exch server to itself over night.
However, we had created a dual boot on it.  primary boot was just as
member
server that was effectively an archive box but secondary boot was a
mirror
of the exch server.  that way, when (and it did) the exch server went
down,
I simply took out the exch server and booted the backup (used netdom to
remove and add the servers to the network)into its secondary config.
Ran
isinteg patches etc and voila was online in about an hour or so.
disadvantage was that it lost the days emails tho...
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dugas [mailto:brian@;summit-technical.com]
Sent: 21 October 2002 17:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


What if you kept a DR server on its own network separate from the
production
network, then if the production server fails, you simply move the DR
server
to the production netowrk.  You would need a PDC on the DR network too.


Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


We are looking at keeping an online spare server. I presume I can call
it
"fred_bloggs" for example, and when the time comes, rename it, and then
do
the install of exchange? It will be a member server (as is the current
server) in an NT4 domain, running NT4. There will of course be a BDC at
the
remote site.

Cheers
Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
I suspect none of them use xcopy!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Hrmm... a subject I actually know quite a bit about. 

So, leaving the pimp hat in the closet, there are a number of possible
methods for moving the data across the WAN. Products such as double-take
(and other high availability solutions listed at www.mail-resources.com in
the high availability portion of the web links section) as well as snapshot
style solutions I haven't had a chance to list yet, exist to potentially aid
in this endeavor. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy David
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

Is the business going to accept the store being down overnight while the
database files are being xcopied to another server?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Thanks, sound like an interesting solution. I think whatever we do, the
chances are we are going to lose a days email, and the business is
probably
prepared to accept that. 

I will do some digging on it.

Cheers
Greg



-Original Message-
From: Rob Hackney [mailto:Rob.Hackney@;tkcsales.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2002 15:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I had a similar setup at my old place.
We had an online spare server that was setup to xcopy relevant files
(*.edb/etc)from exch server to itself over night.
However, we had created a dual boot on it.  primary boot was just as
member
server that was effectively an archive box but secondary boot was a
mirror
of the exch server.  that way, when (and it did) the exch server went
down,
I simply took out the exch server and booted the backup (used netdom to
remove and add the servers to the network)into its secondary config.
Ran
isinteg patches etc and voila was online in about an hour or so.
disadvantage was that it lost the days emails tho...
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dugas [mailto:brian@;summit-technical.com]
Sent: 21 October 2002 17:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


What if you kept a DR server on its own network separate from the
production
network, then if the production server fails, you simply move the DR
server
to the production netowrk.  You would need a PDC on the DR network too.


Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


We are looking at keeping an online spare server. I presume I can call
it
"fred_bloggs" for example, and when the time comes, rename it, and then
do
the install of exchange? It will be a member server (as is the current
server) in an NT4 domain, running NT4. There will of course be a BDC at
the
remote site.

Cheers
Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
Fax +44 20 7320 8725
www.ipplc.com
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RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000

2002-10-23 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
I can make it happen.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:47 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


Maybe it didn't happen!

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Andrey Fyodorov
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


this is very elusive.

I can't reproduce this *under normal cirumstances*, i.e. create a user
account with mailbox, create another user account without a mailbox,
create a group, mail-enabled it, add both user accounts to the group,
send a test message to the group.


The groups that do not work are built like this:
- each customer has a separate OU
- inside the customer OU there are all the user accounts and group
accounts for the customer.
- each customer has a global security group AllUsers@[customer.com] and
every customer's user account is automatically added to the group. The
group is mail-enabled.
- Each customer has an account called Service
(UserPrincipalName=Service@[customer.com]), Service is also a member of
AllUsers@[customer.com] group. Service account does not have a mailbox.
- Messages sent to AllUsers@[customer.com] get stuck in "Awaiting
Directory Lookup" queue.
- If I create a mailbox for Service, messages flow normally. If I delete
the mailbox, messages get stuck again.

We have a few thousand customers, so there are a few thousand groups
called AllUsers@[customer.com], and each group has its own Service user
as a member. I wonder if the categorizer runs out of steam trying to
resolve the correct Service without a mailbox out of thousands. Although
the UPN clearly states which one is which...




-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


crap... I can't reproduce this behavior on my corporate Exchange 2000
environment.




-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:28 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


I just hope that when I call PSS, they would be able to escalate and fix
it.

We rely on global security groups that need to be mail-enabled, and our
hosting architecture uses a windows account that's a member of these
groups but is not mail-enabled.

I do not want to mail-enable this account because we then would pay
Exchange license fees for it to Microsoft (each customer has an account
like that).

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:Kevinm@;wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


Good job.. And thanks for sharing.. Simple solutions are often at the
bottom of the list of things to try.

--Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, Exchange MVP, And Beyond


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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: I just discovered a bug in Exchange 2000


This has been a nagging issue for a long time. I have not been able to
send mail to certain groups - messages would just get stuck in the Retry
Queue "Awaiting Directory Lookup". This was also coincidental with IIS
memory leak. I can't believe how simple the cause of the problem is!

The groups that experience problems are mail-enabled global security
groups AND some members of the group are not mail-enabled. That's all.

I have been looking at all other things trying to solve the problem. I
thought that for some reason there was a duplication of an SMTP address
somewhere (actually that used to be another bug in earlier version of
Exchange 2000) or maybe the LegacyExchangeDN was screwed up... I can't
believe it did not occur to me to check all the group's members to see
if any of them were somehow different.

Now we do have a reason for having such mixed groups for customer
provisioning methods.

Andrey Fyodorov
Senior Exchange Administrator
iNNERHOST
http://www.innerhost.com

P.S. please consider this bug officially claimed by Andrey Fyodorov, the
founder of the Scientific Jiggle Method and the Scientific Poking Around
method. :)

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RE: "unable to render this view" error

2002-10-23 Thread Exchange (Swynk)
Get him to clear out his IE cache.  We found this started happening with
IE6, and while we never spent a great deal of time on it, we never did
find out the root cause.

> -Original Message-
> From: brenda [mailto:xp@;myrealbox.com] 
> Posted At: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 AM
> Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
> Conversation: "unable to render this view" error
> Subject: "unable to render this view" error
> 
> 
> we have an Exchange server 5.5 SP3 (my company is afraid to 
> upgrade to SP4
> - but I guess this is another story). and we use IIS on 2000 
> server for outlook webacess to that server one of our users 
> while trying to read his mail via OWA is getting this 
> error:"unable to render this view" other users don't report 
> any problem. even this user don't have this problem all the 
> time. most of the time everything works but every few days 
> for few hours he is getting this error. and then it disappear 
> again. any idea how can we fix it? thanks in advance Brenda
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Resource mailbox

2002-10-23 Thread Jonathan Beeler
I have recently set up a mailbox on an E2k server in an Exchange mixed
mode site(sp3) as a resource mailbox for a conference room.  When a user
sends to the mailbox using Outlook xp or Outlook 2000, the meeting books
properly and all is just dandy - ie, the user gets confirmation that the
meeting was booked and it is placed in the resource mailbox's calendar.

However, when an Outlook 98 client associated with an Exchange 5.5  (sp4
with hotfixes) mailbox creates the meeting, although he gets a
confirmation that the meeting was booked, when you look inside the
resource mailbox's calendar, the meeting does not exist.


Does anyone know if this is a problem using Outlook 98 clients in this
configuration, or if someone is aware of a fix/setting change for this?

Thanks

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RE: Resource mailbox

2002-10-23 Thread Daniel Chenault
Sounds like you're doing auto-booking; OL98 doesn't support that.

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Beeler [mailto:jbeeler@;nb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:47 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Resource mailbox


I have recently set up a mailbox on an E2k server in an Exchange mixed mode
site(sp3) as a resource mailbox for a conference room.  When a user sends to
the mailbox using Outlook xp or Outlook 2000, the meeting books properly and
all is just dandy - ie, the user gets confirmation that the meeting was
booked and it is placed in the resource mailbox's calendar.

However, when an Outlook 98 client associated with an Exchange 5.5  (sp4
with hotfixes) mailbox creates the meeting, although he gets a confirmation
that the meeting was booked, when you look inside the resource mailbox's
calendar, the meeting does not exist.


Does anyone know if this is a problem using Outlook 98 clients in this
configuration, or if someone is aware of a fix/setting change for this?

Thanks

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RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

2002-10-23 Thread Rob Hackney
More than likely they don't use xcopy :-) but this was in a small firm of less than 80 
users/ mailboxes so the files were not actually that large - can't remember the exact 
size.  It meant that the store was only down for an hour or so - maybe less. So 
depending on the business, this could be seen as acceptable.  If memory serves me, we 
wrote 3 batch files, 1 to stop exch services, 1 to start exch services and the main 
one with all the xcopy commands and some other bits (eg postie).  Stupidly I didn't 
take a copy of them with me when I left

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:davida@;vss.com]
Sent: 23 October 2002 13:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I suspect none of them use xcopy!


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Hrmm... a subject I actually know quite a bit about. 

So, leaving the pimp hat in the closet, there are a number of possible
methods for moving the data across the WAN. Products such as double-take
(and other high availability solutions listed at www.mail-resources.com in
the high availability portion of the web links section) as well as snapshot
style solutions I haven't had a chance to list yet, exist to potentially aid
in this endeavor. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy David
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)

Is the business going to accept the store being down overnight while the
database files are being xcopied to another server?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


Thanks, sound like an interesting solution. I think whatever we do, the
chances are we are going to lose a days email, and the business is
probably
prepared to accept that. 

I will do some digging on it.

Cheers
Greg



-Original Message-
From: Rob Hackney [mailto:Rob.Hackney@;tkcsales.co.uk]
Sent: 22 October 2002 15:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


I had a similar setup at my old place.
We had an online spare server that was setup to xcopy relevant files
(*.edb/etc)from exch server to itself over night.
However, we had created a dual boot on it.  primary boot was just as
member
server that was effectively an archive box but secondary boot was a
mirror
of the exch server.  that way, when (and it did) the exch server went
down,
I simply took out the exch server and booted the backup (used netdom to
remove and add the servers to the network)into its secondary config.
Ran
isinteg patches etc and voila was online in about an hour or so.
disadvantage was that it lost the days emails tho...
Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dugas [mailto:brian@;summit-technical.com]
Sent: 21 October 2002 17:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


What if you kept a DR server on its own network separate from the
production
network, then if the production server fails, you simply move the DR
server
to the production netowrk.  You would need a PDC on the DR network too.


Brian 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Heywood [mailto:greg.heywood@;ipplc.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:48 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick disaster recovery question (if there is such thing)


We are looking at keeping an online spare server. I presume I can call
it
"fred_bloggs" for example, and when the time comes, rename it, and then
do
the install of exchange? It will be a member server (as is the current
server) in an NT4 domain, running NT4. There will of course be a BDC at
the
remote site.

Cheers
Greg Heywood
Technology Project Manager
International Power PLC
Phone +44 20 7320 8672
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Calender Permissions

2002-10-23 Thread Kishore Vara
Hello Friends,

Current config:
2 sites one running exchange2000 and sp2, the other 5.5 and sp4.

The problem is: A user on ex2000 (outlook xp/outlook 2002) cannot give
permissions to a client on exchange 5.5.
Error message received: "Non-local users cannot be given rights on this
server."

The same error message is received when assigning permissions from 5.5 to
2000.

There are no problems with permissions with ex2000 to ex2000.

Any ideas where i should start troubleshooting..?

Thanks in advance.


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RE: Exch 5.5 ost synch

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
I've seen this happen in the following situation:

Users had large messages, or lots of messages with attachments
AV running on the Exchange server (Trend Scanmail 3.5 in the case I've seen)
Move users to new server - synching would fail because the AV check of the large 
messages would cause sufficient delay to confuse the synch into behaving as though the 
connection had been lost.

If this fits your situation, the solution is to  shut off AV on the Exchange 
server long enough for all users to synch.  Or, have them move any large messages off 
to a .pst folder.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Craig A. Mills [mailto:craigam@;camnetwork.com]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:19 AM
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Subject: Exch 5.5 ost synch


I have two Exch 5.5 sites where every user receives synch errors, usually
to the inbox and sent folders. Its not at the client. Any suggestions?

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RE: Resource mailbox

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Not sure what booking method you are using, but Simpler-Webb has a product
called the Exchange Resource Manager which is reasonably priced and much
more full featured than the other direct booking options I am aware of.
Mention my name and get my standard 0% discount.

> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Beeler [mailto:jbeeler@;nb.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:47 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Resource mailbox
> 
> 
> I have recently set up a mailbox on an E2k server in an 
> Exchange mixed mode site(sp3) as a resource mailbox for a 
> conference room.  When a user sends to the mailbox using 
> Outlook xp or Outlook 2000, the meeting books properly and 
> all is just dandy - ie, the user gets confirmation that the 
> meeting was booked and it is placed in the resource mailbox's 
> calendar.
> 
> However, when an Outlook 98 client associated with an 
> Exchange 5.5  (sp4 with hotfixes) mailbox creates the 
> meeting, although he gets a confirmation that the meeting was 
> booked, when you look inside the resource mailbox's calendar, 
> the meeting does not exist.
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if this is a problem using Outlook 98 
> clients in this configuration, or if someone is aware of a 
> fix/setting change for this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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RE: Database Location

2002-10-23 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
As long as you put something there that's a dead weight and is not excessively being 
read all the time.
And as long as it does not use up 99.999% of the space.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Database Location


I disagree.  Point anything else you want to the RAID 5 volume EXCEPT
the information store transaction logs.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


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make sure you don't point anything else at the RAID5 volume.

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Avallone [mailto:avallone@;ibiquity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Database Location



I am just about finished with setting up my new Exchange 2000 server on
the new domain.  I have created an 18igig partition for my logs and OS
and a 36gig RAID 5 for my database.  The only thing I have on the RAID 5
is the .edb and the .stm. As you can tell I am still learning.  Is there
anything else I need to point to the RAID 5 drive? 

Thanks for the patience.

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Need Help w/Public Folder

2002-10-23 Thread Melissa Burgess

Win2K, E2k Enterprise SP2 native mode

I'm trying to set up our Human Resources public folder to send an auto reply 
acknowledgement of resume submission.  The public folder is mail enabled and I enabled 
auto reply under Global Settings/Internet Mail Format.  I set up a rule in the public 
folder to reply with a message template.  I receive the auto reply internally but not 
externally.  What am I missing?  Any help is greatly appreciated as I am new to 
administering Exchange.

TIA,

Melissa Burgess
IT Specialist
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Re: Need Help w/Public Folder

2002-10-23 Thread Jason Coleman
Be sure that you have given the anonymous access the ability to create
items otherwise you will have problems.

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RE: Address Book Listings

2002-10-23 Thread Todd Boynton
>
> Change the display name format to last name, first name.
>

I'm feeling really stupid today.  Where?

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Address Book Listings

Change the display name format to last name, first name.

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Boynton [mailto:tboynton@;maine.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:56 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Address Book Listings
> 
> 
> When a user is creating new mail and clicks on To... to bring 
> up the address book to add names to the message, Is there an 
> easy way to have names sorted by last name, first name 
> instead of the display name?
> 
> Outlook 2002 and Exchange 2000
>  
> Todd Boynton   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> ==Communications Specialist
> == UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
> ==  Maine School and Library Network
> ==University of Maine System
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RE: Need Help w/Public Folder

2002-10-23 Thread Melissa Burgess
The anonymous account has contributor permissions.  Do I need to change this?

-Original Message-
From: Jason Coleman [mailto:jcoleman@;lrn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Need Help w/Public Folder


Be sure that you have given the anonymous access the ability to create
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Resource mailbox

2002-10-23 Thread Jonathan Beeler
Thanks guys.  I figured that was the case - with the ol98 client.

And I'll be sure to use that discount, thanks.

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RE: "unable to render this view" error

2002-10-23 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Err, try searching the KB before posting.  It can be very helpful.  Try
Q184304.  Or do another search on :unable to render this view."

Geoff...


-Original Message-
From: brenda [mailto:xp@;myrealbox.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: "unable to render this view" error


we have an Exchange server 5.5 SP3 (my company is afraid to upgrade to SP4
- but I guess this is another story). and we use IIS on 2000 server for
outlook webacess to that server one of our users while trying to read his
mail via OWA is getting this error:"unable to render this view" other users
don't report any problem. even this user don't have this problem all the
time. most of the time everything works but every few days for few hours he
is getting this error. and then it disappear again. any idea how can we fix
it? thanks in advance Brenda

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RE: Contacts view:

2002-10-23 Thread Pillai, Raj

Thanks Chris, I kinda tweaked it using the Q article 305361 and my users
are satisfied with the result.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Contacts view:


Add them all to the To line and remove the ones they don't need. Or hack
the
outlib(?) dll to add the functionality back.

> -Original Message-
> From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:RPILLAI@;dancona.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:04 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Contacts view:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> We recently migrated to Exchange 2000 sp3 (enterprise) and 
> OL-XP on the client side.
> 
> In Outlook 98 when you create a new message, click To: and 
> change to Contacts, all the contacts are listed with e-mail, 
> business fax and the Like listed to the side of the name.  Is 
> there a way to make that happen in Outlook XP. Currently all 
> the user is seeing is the name listed 5 times And they are 
> having to guess which one is the one they need, or they have 
> to scroll way over to the right.
> 
> I looked at Q305361, but is there a better way?
> 

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RE: Need Help w/Public Folder

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Enable autoreplies ot the internet or use a server side script instead of a
rule. The latter being more preferable in my mind.

> -Original Message-
> From: Melissa Burgess [mailto:mburgess@;hrtransit.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Need Help w/Public Folder
> 
> 
> 
> Win2K, E2k Enterprise SP2 native mode
> 
> I'm trying to set up our Human Resources public folder to 
> send an auto reply acknowledgement of resume submission.  The 
> public folder is mail enabled and I enabled auto reply under 
> Global Settings/Internet Mail Format.  I set up a rule in the 
> public folder to reply with a message template.  I receive 
> the auto reply internally but not externally.  What am I 
> missing?  Any help is greatly appreciated as I am new to 
> administering Exchange.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Melissa Burgess
> IT Specialist
> Hampton Roads Transit
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RE: Address Book Listings

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
No need to feel stupid, Microsoft has made it difficult to do at best... See
Q250455.

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Boynton [mailto:tboynton@;maine.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:59 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Address Book Listings
> 
> 
> >
> > Change the display name format to last name, first name.
> >
> 
> I'm feeling really stupid today.  Where?
> 
> Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> == Communications Specialist
> == UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
> == Maine School and Library Network
> ==University of Maine System
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Address Book Listings
> 
> Change the display name format to last name, first name.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Boynton [mailto:tboynton@;maine.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:56 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Address Book Listings
> > 
> > 
> > When a user is creating new mail and clicks on To... to bring
> > up the address book to add names to the message, Is there an 
> > easy way to have names sorted by last name, first name 
> > instead of the display name?
> > 
> > Outlook 2002 and Exchange 2000
> >  
> > Todd Boynton   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  
> > ==Communications Specialist
> > == UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
> > ==  Maine School and Library Network
> > ==University of Maine System
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Re: Address Book Listings

2002-10-23 Thread Tony Hlabse
Try this one to see if it works. Never tried though.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q277717

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From: "Todd Boynton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Address Book Listings


>
> Change the display name format to last name, first name.
>

I'm feeling really stupid today.  Where?

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Address Book Listings

Change the display name format to last name, first name.

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Boynton [mailto:tboynton@;maine.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:56 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Address Book Listings
> 
> 
> When a user is creating new mail and clicks on To... to bring 
> up the address book to add names to the message, Is there an 
> easy way to have names sorted by last name, first name 
> instead of the display name?
> 
> Outlook 2002 and Exchange 2000
>  
> Todd Boynton   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> ==Communications Specialist
> == UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
> ==  Maine School and Library Network
> ==University of Maine System
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RE: Resource mailbox

2002-10-23 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
Maybe you could trade-in your Ol98 to get a better discount. What's the KBB value on 
Ol98?

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Beeler [mailto:jbeeler@;nb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Resource mailbox


Thanks guys.  I figured that was the case - with the ol98 client.

And I'll be sure to use that discount, thanks.

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Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a change to add users to a 
meeting but also sent a cancellation notice to other users.  I checked it out and its 
true.  Both messages went at the same time.  He never sent a cancellation notice he 
only added a few users to the meeting and wanted to just send the update to them.  An 
idea's?

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
User error.

> -Original Message-
> From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Calendar events
> 
> 
> I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a 
> change to add users to a meeting but also sent a cancellation 
> notice to other users.  I checked it out and its true.  Both 
> messages went at the same time.  He never sent a cancellation 
> notice he only added a few users to the meeting and wanted to 
> just send the update to them.  An idea's?
> 
> Thank you,
>  
> Alex Gonzalez
> Senior Systems Administrator
> Handleman Company
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914

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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
Did he by any chance remove the others users from the "to" and/or "cc" lists before he 
sent it?

-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Calendar events


I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a change to add users to a 
meeting but also sent a cancellation notice to other users.  I checked it out and its 
true.  Both messages went at the same time.  He never sent a cancellation notice he 
only added a few users to the meeting and wanted to just send the update to them.  An 
idea's?

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
Generally I would say yes but not this time.  I saw it happen and I don't understand 
it.  It is showing that he sent cancellations to all the other users that were on the 
meeting at the same time he was sending the updates.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events

User error.

> -Original Message-
> From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Calendar events
> 
> 
> I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a 
> change to add users to a meeting but also sent a cancellation 
> notice to other users.  I checked it out and its true.  Both 
> messages went at the same time.  He never sent a cancellation 
> notice he only added a few users to the meeting and wanted to 
> just send the update to them.  An idea's?
> 
> Thank you,
>  
> Alex Gonzalez
> Senior Systems Administrator
> Handleman Company
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
No he was actually just adding the users to the meeting in the scheduling tab.

-Alex

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events

Did he by any chance remove the others users from the "to" and/or "cc" lists before he 
sent it?

-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Calendar events


I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a change to add users to a 
meeting but also sent a cancellation notice to other users.  I checked it out and its 
true.  Both messages went at the same time.  He never sent a cancellation notice he 
only added a few users to the meeting and wanted to just send the update to them.  An 
idea's?

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
IIRC, if he was editing a calendar item already sent, and removed the Users
he did not want to receive the updated item, it would send them a
cancellation message.  Like I said, IIRC.

Geoff...



-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events


No he was actually just adding the users to the meeting in the scheduling
tab.

-Alex

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events

Did he by any chance remove the others users from the "to" and/or "cc" lists
before he sent it?

-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Calendar events


I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a change to add
users to a meeting but also sent a cancellation notice to other users.  I
checked it out and its true.  Both messages went at the same time.  He never
sent a cancellation notice he only added a few users to the meeting and
wanted to just send the update to them.  An idea's?

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Custom Forms with Outlook 2002 (preview pane).

2002-10-23 Thread Warren Cundy
Thanks, I went with Chilton preview to solve the problem.  Another lame
"security" feature in OL 2002.  

I thought there might be an easier reg hack to simply have Outlook display
the messages.

-Warren


> 
> You could use a custom preview pane extension instead of the 
> built in one. As mentioned in the article, the use of 
> vbscript is a non-factor in the Outlook 2002 version of the 
> preview pane. Or you could simply implement the workaround 
> mentioned in the article.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Warren Cundy [mailto:warrenc@;yaletech.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 12:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Custom Forms with Outlook 2002 (preview pane).
> > 
> > 
> > We use some custom forms here, and we are looking to upgrade
> > to Office XP. Unfortunately, Outlook 2002 has a problem with 
> > custom forms, at least as far as displaying them in the 
> > preview pane, see here for details:
> > 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q288754
> 
> Is there a way around this issue?  I've looked around 
> slipstick.com, but can't see anything.  How have others dealt 
> with this annoyance?
> 
> We don't use VBScript in our forms..
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Warren
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RE: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
PantyShield?  That must be a new one.

Where do you get it?  I would love to submit that one to my boss.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:34 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Can't send attachment with mail
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


And you've restored from your last good backup/ replayed the transaction
logs? It's 24 hours later, if the data in the database is actualy worth
anything, you're 12 hours late (or more) in calling PSS. If the data in
the
database isn't worth anything, delete the database and start over again.


Oh.. btw, if you're running some shit antivirus software like
PantyShield
for Exchange, remove it(completely and totally.. feel free to follow the
20
page long set of manual uninstall instructions) before you call PSS.

-Original Message-
From: Niko
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Can't send attachment with mail

All my clients can't send small attachments also (20kb)

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RE: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
He needs to wear something underneath the pink sundress.


-Original Message-
From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:38 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


PantyShield?  That must be a new one.

Where do you get it?  I would love to submit that one to my boss.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Posted At: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:34 AM
Posted To: List - Exchange Server List
Conversation: Can't send attachment with mail
Subject: RE: Can't send attachment with mail


And you've restored from your last good backup/ replayed the transaction
logs? It's 24 hours later, if the data in the database is actualy worth
anything, you're 12 hours late (or more) in calling PSS. If the data in
the
database isn't worth anything, delete the database and start over again.


Oh.. btw, if you're running some shit antivirus software like
PantyShield
for Exchange, remove it(completely and totally.. feel free to follow the
20
page long set of manual uninstall instructions) before you call PSS.

-Original Message-
From: Niko
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Can't send attachment with mail

All my clients can't send small attachments also (20kb)

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not just confidential......

2002-10-23 Thread Ali Wilkes (IT)
So not only did they block my message due to Chris's colorful metaphor,
BUT there is a confidentiality message at the end!!!

Wow.  So the automated ScanMail mailbox sends confidential mail. hm.

So do they quarantine them so the admins can go back and read all the
naughty words later?


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:40 PM
To: Ali Wilkes (IT)
Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action
taken.


Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.

Place = Exchange Discussions; ; ; Exchange Discussions
Sender = Ali Wilkes (IT)
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RE: Calendar events

2002-10-23 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
Right but he swears up and down that is not the case.  He showed me the process he was 
doing and the only thing he did was add users and ask Outlook to only send to those 
users.  


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:Dale.Edwards@;AmericanTower.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events

IIRC, if he was editing a calendar item already sent, and removed the Users
he did not want to receive the updated item, it would send them a
cancellation message.  Like I said, IIRC.

Geoff...



-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events


No he was actually just adding the users to the meeting in the scheduling
tab.

-Alex

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Calendar events

Did he by any chance remove the others users from the "to" and/or "cc" lists
before he sent it?

-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:alex.gonzalez@;handleman.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Calendar events


I have a user who is using Outlook XP SP2 who went to make a change to add
users to a meeting but also sent a cancellation notice to other users.  I
checked it out and its true.  Both messages went at the same time.  He never
sent a cancellation notice he only added a few users to the meeting and
wanted to just send the update to them.  An idea's?

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914


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RE: DL information

2002-10-23 Thread Hatley, Ken
Is there a way to export the owner?  I have to associate an owner with all
of the DLs.


Ken Hatley, MCSE
Messaging Consolidation
VM/Pgr. 877.500.2511
Office 972.997.9261


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: DL information

In the first (and only) line of the export file, list the attributes you
want to export.  You probably want:

Display Name,Directory Name,Members

if you're exporting distribution lists, and if you're exporting users,
add the attribute "Member Of" (no quotes).  You can just take the first
line of any file you export and add the attributes you want to it, then
export again.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


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Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: DL information


Sorry if this is a repeat post, I first posted on the web and have not
seen it yet.  I need to gather DL information for 6 Exchange 5.5 Orgs
and was wondering if anyone knows of a good tool.  I ran the extract in
the administrative console, but that only gives Alias, SMTP, and basic
information.  I am about to whip up a batch file that runs ONDL in the
BORK to extract the members and numbers of members by plugging in the
Aliases from the extract, but was wondering if anyone has a better
solution.  I am also supposed to get the owner of the DL, but I have not
come up with an automated solution for that yet.  Any suggestions would
be appreciated.


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RE: not just confidential......

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Note the URL is an internal URL only... So to read the doc I had to first
hack into their network.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ali Wilkes (IT) [mailto:AWILKES@;bordersgroupinc.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: not just confidential..
> 
> 
> So not only did they block my message due to Chris's colorful 
> metaphor, BUT there is a confidentiality message at the end!!!
> 
> Wow.  So the automated ScanMail mailbox sends confidential 
> mail. hm.
> 
> So do they quarantine them so the admins can go back and read 
> all the naughty words later?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: WC System Attendant [mailto:WCEXCHANGE2-SA@;baf.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:40 PM
> To: Ali Wilkes (IT)
> Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found 
> and action taken.
> 
> 
> Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.
> 
> Place = Exchange Discussions; ; ; Exchange Discussions
> Sender = Ali Wilkes (IT)
> Subject = RE: Can't send attachment with mail
> Delivery Time = October 23, 2002 (Wednesday) 09:39:47
> Policy = Dirty Words
> Action on this mail = Quarantine message
> 
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> see 
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RE: DL information

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Yes.

> -Original Message-
> From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:Ken.Hatley@;bankofamerica.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:15 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: DL information
> 
> 
> Is there a way to export the owner?  I have to associate an 
> owner with all of the DLs.
> 
> 
> Ken Hatley, MCSE
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RE: DL information

2002-10-23 Thread Hatley, Ken
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q169761
if anyone is interested


Ken Hatley, MCSE
Messaging Consolidation
VM/Pgr. 877.500.2511
Office 972.997.9261


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: DL information

Yes.

> -Original Message-
> From: Hatley, Ken [mailto:Ken.Hatley@;bankofamerica.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:15 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: DL information
>
>
> Is there a way to export the owner?  I have to associate an
> owner with all of the DLs.
>
> 
> Ken Hatley, MCSE
> Messaging Consolidation
> VM/Pgr. 877.500.2511
> Office 972.997.9261
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We have a winner!

2002-10-23 Thread Tim Ault
it appears Darcy was a winner of them there MEC session eval drawings..
twice!

(and here we were just chucking those sheets under the chairs..)

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Re: Can't send attachment with mail

2002-10-23 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Seen something simular. It had nothing to do with the server..

I moved the temporary internet files (or whatever that particular system 
called it) to another disk. I think the registry had still a setting to 
drive C while the folder was moved to drive D. The first problem was 
reported about 2 months after I moved the folder..

It gave exactly the same errormessage you experienced.

So.. perhaps you did something simular or it has something to do with IE 
settings.

Anyway, you may need to look on another location then the server itself..

Other things to think about: set logging on the server to maximum, check 
the systemlog.

If nothing helps try if it's fixed after a reboot :-)

Bye,



B.



At 06:32 22-10-02 -0700, you wrote:
Hi all,

We are using Exchange 5.5 Server with Service Pack 4(NT Server 4.0 with
Service pack 4)
On Client end we are using Outlook 97, 2000
Now the problem is that we cant send attachment with mails.
The error when we tried to send attachment is following:
"you don't have appropriate permission to perform this operation"
"failed operation"

I try run ISINTEG -FIX -PRI(PUB) -TEST ALLTESTS and ESEUTIL /R but it is
not resolve problem

Thanks in advance
Niko



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SEND TO -> Mail Attachment lost

2002-10-23 Thread Paul Done
I have a user who has lost the ability to send a MS Word document from
within word by using

FILE -> SEND TO -> MAIL RECIPIENT (As Attachment)

Will someone tell me how this can be restored?

Thanks,
Paul

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RE: Address Book Listings

2002-10-23 Thread Todd Boynton
Doh, never mind.  


Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
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==University of Maine System

 

-Original Message-
From: Todd Boynton 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Address Book Listings

>
> Change the display name format to last name, first name.
>

I'm feeling really stupid today.  Where?

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Address Book Listings

Change the display name format to last name, first name.

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Boynton [mailto:tboynton@;maine.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:56 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Address Book Listings
> 
> 
> When a user is creating new mail and clicks on To... to bring 
> up the address book to add names to the message, Is there an 
> easy way to have names sorted by last name, first name 
> instead of the display name?
> 
> Outlook 2002 and Exchange 2000
>  
> Todd Boynton   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: SEND TO -> Mail Attachment lost

2002-10-23 Thread Ben Schorr
What happens when they try to? Do they get an error message or 

Aloha,

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com


> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Done [mailto:pdone@;csusb.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:16 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: SEND TO -> Mail Attachment lost
> 
> 
> I have a user who has lost the ability to send a MS Word 
> document from within word by using
> 
> FILE -> SEND TO -> MAIL RECIPIENT (As Attachment)
> 
> Will someone tell me how this can be restored?
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul
> 
> P.S. I have a MAPI email client (Outlook 2k) that use to send 
> this no changes or upgrades to the system or Exchange that I 
> aware or have done.
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RE: We have a winner!

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
Yep.  Actually, three times.  They were giving away X-box games.  Since I don't have 
an X-box, I took one game and "traded" the other two for the conference shirt.  

Yeah, yeah, I know. . . I traded two $50 games for a $30 shirt.  I've still got one 
game that I'm willing to sell if anybody wants it, and it was worth it to get the 
shirt without having to be a vendor ho'.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault@;westat.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: We have a winner!


it appears Darcy was a winner of them there MEC session eval drawings..
twice!

(and here we were just chucking those sheets under the chairs..)

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RE: We have a winner!

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Ahyou should have e-bay'ed the games

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:25 PM
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Subject: RE: We have a winner!


Yep.  Actually, three times.  They were giving away X-box games.  Since
I don't have an X-box, I took one game and "traded" the other two for
the conference shirt.  

Yeah, yeah, I know. . . I traded two $50 games for a $30 shirt.  I've
still got one game that I'm willing to sell if anybody wants it, and it
was worth it to get the shirt without having to be a vendor ho'.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault@;westat.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: We have a winner!


it appears Darcy was a winner of them there MEC session eval drawings..
twice!

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RE: We have a winner!

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
Doesn't matter, really.  It was a missed opportunity, but not a loss.

Anyone want to buy the one I did get?  NFL Fever 2003, online enabled.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: We have a winner!


Ahyou should have e-bay'ed the games

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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Adams
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: We have a winner!


Yep.  Actually, three times.  They were giving away X-box games.  Since
I don't have an X-box, I took one game and "traded" the other two for
the conference shirt.  

Yeah, yeah, I know. . . I traded two $50 games for a $30 shirt.  I've
still got one game that I'm willing to sell if anybody wants it, and it
was worth it to get the shirt without having to be a vendor ho'.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Ault [mailto:timault@;westat.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: We have a winner!


it appears Darcy was a winner of them there MEC session eval drawings..
twice!

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RE: SEND TO -> Mail Attachment lost

2002-10-23 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
What has happened to the people who look things up in the KB or archives.
Come on folks.  What do you think they are there for?

http://search.support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?Catalog=LCID%3D1033%
26CDID%3DEN-US-KB%26PRODLISTSRC%3DON&Product=&KeywordType=ALL&Titles=false&n
umDays=&maxResults=25&withinResults=&Queryl=%22unable+to+mail+attachment+in+
Word%22&Query=%22unable+to+mail+attachment+in+Word%22&QuerySource=gsfxSearch
_Query

Probably will wrap.

Geoff...



-Original Message-
From: Paul Done [mailto:pdone@;csusb.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: SEND TO -> Mail Attachment lost


I have a user who has lost the ability to send a MS Word document from
within word by using

FILE -> SEND TO -> MAIL RECIPIENT (As Attachment)

Will someone tell me how this can be restored?

Thanks,
Paul

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RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Matt Natkin
Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the current stance on 
that is that they're "thinking about possibly" including RBL support in a future 
release.

Darcy

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Matt Natkin
OK thanks. What's everybody using?

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the current
stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" including RBL
support in a future release.

Darcy

-Original Message-
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
Dumb Luck.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


OK thanks. What's everybody using?

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the current
stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" including RBL
support in a future release.

Darcy

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL actually
is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties to provide the
functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in phoning stupid
admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company business.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night 
> and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
<>  Good point.  Thankfully, we were finally able to shift our outbound mail 
to a new set of IP's.  No more phone calls to (l)admins who rely on vigilante-RBL's 
[1] and/or don't know how to use a white list.

Darcy

[1] Osirusoft and SPEWS

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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL actually
is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties to provide the
functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in phoning stupid
admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company business.

-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
EMS Sales Engineer
MessageOne
512.652.4500 x-244

> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night 
> and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
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> To: Exchange Discussions
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> 
> 
> Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Ok please explain. 


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97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL actually
is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties to provide
the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in phoning
stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company
business.

-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
EMS Sales Engineer
MessageOne
512.652.4500 x-244

> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night
> and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread William Lefkovics
That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)

Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to comprehend
its functionality?

William  


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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL actually
is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties to provide
the
functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in phoning stupid
admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company business.

-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
EMS Sales Engineer
MessageOne
512.652.4500 x-244

> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night 
> and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place last
week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and maintain
various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical sales order
or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more than
a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to have for a
business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who knows what they
are doing, combined with software which doesn't completely suck might be
able to use them to some level of positive effect, but that'd be the
exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an 
> RBL actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll 
> likely have to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them 
> why RBL $foo is costing their company business.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
I recently had to fight a major battle with *multiple* domain admins who have decided 
to use either Osirusoft or SPEWS as the basis for SPAM blocking.

/rant on/
Osirusoft advertises as a relay blocking service, but they also hook into the SPEWS 
level one list for SPAM blocking.  You can try to contact Osirusoft if you feel 
they're blocking you in error, but they won't answer.

SPEWS is a similar story.  They are an aggressive anti-spam group.  "That's good" you 
say?  Wait.  They have two levels of lists: level 1, which is advertised as known, 
confirmed spammers only.  Then there's level 2, which is much more aggressive.  They 
not only block known spammers, but also suspected spammers, and anyone *near* them in 
network-space and using the same ISP.  Which means that if your IP is next to that of 
a known spammer, you may be on their level 2 list.

They do this so that you, the innocent bystander, will complain to your ISP and 
hopefully get the spammer kicked off the air.  And what if you can't do that?  Too 
bad, so sad. . . go ahead and post to their newsgroup with your tale of woe, then duck 
because the $hit is gonna come flying at your head as a horde of self-righteous 
vigilantes call *you* names because your ISP has hosted a spammer and of course any 
decent netizen wouldn't do business with them.  Since some, perhaps most, of us don't 
have any choice in the matter of our ISP, that's not a particularly helpful stance.

AND (yes, there's more) if the SPEWS tactic of blacklisting neighboring ISP's on their 
level 2 list doesn't get the spammer off the air, they'll boost those neighboring IP's 
to the level 1 list.  So, even though they *claim* that the level 1 list is confirmed 
spammers only, it ain't necessarily so.

Now, add in the admins who've set up their systems to use Osirusoft/SPEWS who either 
can't or won't use safe lists (I've found lots of those in the last couple of months), 
and you find yourself spending a LOT of time on the phone talking with admins trying 
to convince them that you're not a spammer; helping your users figure out how to 
continue doing business with customers who can no longer receive email from your 
company; sometimes talking directly to those customers to see if *they* can help you 
bea^H^H^H^H^H^talk some sense into their network admin or ISP, etc. . .
/rant off/

The moral of the story:  RBL's are a good thing, but know the policies of the RBL that 
you're using or develop your own RBL, and know how to use a white list.

Any questions?

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok please explain. 


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL actually
is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties to provide
the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you in phoning
stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their company
business.

-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
EMS Sales Engineer
MessageOne
512.652.4500 x-244

> -Original Message-
> From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night
> and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RBL's
> 
> 
> Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an
> RBL actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll 
> likely have to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them 
> why RBL $foo is costing their company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
I'd guess 68% or more of mail admins are unable to even spell RBL. The
majority of the remainder is unable to comprehend the implications of the
functionality on their environment, whether they understand how it actually
works or not. 

> -Original Message-
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> That's a little harsh. (I love it when you're harsh...)
> 
> Do you mean they are not aware of it, or they are unable to 
> comprehend its functionality?
> 
> William  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an 
> RBL actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll 
> likely have to join you in phoning stupid admins to tell them 
> why RBL $foo is costing their company business.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night
> > and the current stance on that is that they're "thinking 
> > about possibly" including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is 
> and isn't a spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the 
> movie rental place last week? Those are just some of the 
> wonderful people who report to and maintain various RBLs. And 
> you're going to block what may be a critical sales order or 
> customer service request based on their say so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they 
> leave more than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes 
> more than a nice to have for a business, RBLs become a 
> potential liability. An admin who knows what they are doing, 
> combined with software which doesn't completely suck might be 
> able to use them to some level of positive effect, but that'd 
> be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties 
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to 
> join you 
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday 
> night and the 
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Never mind Darcy's previous message answered my question

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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you 
> in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page
far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of romance.
... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

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[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the 
> movie rental place last week? Those are just some of the 
> wonderful people who report to and maintain various RBLs. And 
> you're going to block what may be a critical sales order or 
> customer service request based on their say so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> leave more than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes 
> more than a nice to have for a business, RBLs become a 
> potential liability. An admin who knows what they are doing, 
> combined with software which doesn't completely suck might be 
> able to use them to some level of positive effect, but that'd 
> be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly"
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
Well, if you mean I convinced you that an RBL can be Really Bad (L)admininstration, 
yes, I'd say I answered it in depth and detail.

Real-time Black List is what it actually stands for.  And Chris can laugh at me if he 
wants - I had to ask the first time I saw it as an acronym.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Never mind Darcy's previous message answered my question

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you 
> in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/. Seems
like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail. I'm not a
fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched google first then
show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding history of posts I've seen
to the contrary I'll assume you (collectively) are an idiot... And based on
your response below, my assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was
more or less spot on. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a 
> time, on a web page far, far away, there was a place made 
> especially for lovers of romance. ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance 
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is 
> and isn't a 
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie 
> rental place 
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who 
> report to 
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they 
> leave more 
> > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than 
> a nice to 
> > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An 
> admin who 
> > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > 3rd parties
> > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > join you
> > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is 
> costing their 
> > > company business.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > MessageOne
> > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> > night and the
> > > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about 
> possibly" 
> > > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > 
> > > > Darcy
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > 
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client connection question

2002-10-23 Thread Hatley, Ken
Is it possible to set up Outlook to connect to two different mailboxes in
different Orgs at the same time?  I need to be able to switch back and forth
and it is a pain to have to change the profile each timeor maybe a
utility to change on the fly.

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Christopher Hummert
Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before they post a
question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
assumptions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
(collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
on. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a
> time, on a web page far, far away, there was a place made 
> especially for lovers of romance. ... 
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance 
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF
> RIGHTEOUS ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> rental place
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who
> report to
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> leave more
> > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than
> a nice to
> > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An
> admin who
> > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
> > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > 3rd parties
> > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > join you
> > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is
> costing their
> > > company business.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > > EMS Sales Engineer
> > > MessageOne
> > > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> > night and the
> > > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about
> possibly"
> > > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > > 
> > > > Darcy
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> > 
> > ___

RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
You show your work because that's what professionals do. Why should I assume
that you've read the same KB articles specifically that I have or have tried
the same search strings as I have? Since you want information from others,
the onus is on you to provide sufficient data so as to retrieve the
information you are requesting. Your inability to properly phrase a
technical question is not a failing on my fault (although like Tenner's
problem with the same skill, blame is most likely on public school education
and/or too many lead paint chips as a child).

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. 
> Second why should I have to show my work to you before I post 
> a message to the list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and 
> the MS KB before they post a question? The only one that's an 
> idiot is the one that makes assumptions.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: 
> mail-abuse.org/rbl/. Seems like it might be a likely source 
> given that it talks about mail. I'm not a fsckign mind 
> reader; if you want me to know you searched google first then 
> show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding history of 
> posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
> (collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response 
> below, my assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, 
> was more or less spot on. 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> > RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> > RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon 
> a time, on 
> > a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially 
> for lovers 
> > of romance. ...
> > Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> > Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> > www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> > 
> > I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF 
> RIGHTEOUS 
> > ASS
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > www.google.com?
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> > and isn't a
> > > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> > rental place
> > > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who
> > report to
> > > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what 
> may be a 
> > > critical sales order or customer service request based on 
> their say 
> > > so?
> > > 
> > > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> > leave more
> > > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than
> > a nice to
> > > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An
> > admin who
> > > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> > > completely suck might be able to use them to some level 
> of positive 
> > > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ok please explain.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Chris Scharff
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > > 3rd parties
> > > > to provi

RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Hutchins, Mike
Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked
have been answered with something like the following, which tells me
there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..

I myself think it is getting old..

EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:


Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", follow the directions and
make sure you aren't an open relay when you get it working.  My guess is
that your server will be an open relay after reading some of the
previous posts.



I assume your talking about incoming mail.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q324021




You should either reconsider your decision to have port 137 opened or
install the latest Microsoft Security patch:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/secur
ity/bulletin/MS02-045.asp





-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before they post a
question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
assumptions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
(collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
on. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on 
> a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers

> of romance. ...
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS 
> ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> rental place
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who
> report to
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> leave more
> > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than
> a nice to
> > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An
> admin who
> > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Scharff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> > 3rd parties
> > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> > join 

RE: PF replication

2002-10-23 Thread Chris . Kindschi
I had a similar problem on a pair of test systems and never resolved it.  I
did not observe any replicated folders getting smaller, though; they just
replicated x number of messages and then stopped.  New messages would
replicate.  On the folder that lost messages over time, perhaps the age
limits were not the same on the two systems??

A workaround that my support people suggested was to copy all the folders to
a new branch of the public folder hierarchy and then replicate the copies.
After all are copied, delete the original folders and move everything so
that the hierarchy is back the way it was.  I did enough of them to prove
that it worked, but I had to stop partway through and do a backup to make
room in the transaction log directory.  I think when I do the production
system I'll try your three-at-a-time method first.

Chris Kindschi

-Original Message-
From: Jon Hill [mailto:JHill@;jennison.com]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: PF replication


Is there a limit to the number of public folders one can replicate at any
one time?

I have maybe 400 PFs, all but ten of which were until recently homed on my
5.5 server.  We'd like to get rid of the 5.5 box so we've been trying for
several months now to replicate the folders to our E2K cluster.  

The first time we tried this I did all the folders at once:  I used ESM to
add the E2K server name in the Replicas tab of each top-level folder and I
propagated changes to the children.  Within a couple of days I noticed that
some folders appeared emptier, and I soon confirmed that not only was
replication not 100% successful, but some of the E2K replicas were actually
*losing* data over time.  One folder had 1281 items on the 5.5 server but
1235 on the E2K.  Two days later the E2K server had 1201 items.  Ten days
later it had 50.  Since only one user had the delete permissions, I knew I
couldn't blame the users.

I removed the E2K server from the Replicas tab, waited a day and tried
again, this time changing replication priority to Urgent.  Same result.  I
ran isintegs on the 5.5 and the E2K public stores and even replaced the E2K
public store outright a couple of times.  Nothing has helped.

Then I tried doing smaller and smaller groups of folders with priority at
Urgent and at Normal.  Same result.  Finally about a week ago I did one
batch of 100 folders.  After comparing 5.5 Admin's Public Folder Resources
against ESM's Public Folder Instances, I determined that about 60 folders
had fully replicated, so I removed the 5.5 replica from those folders.  I
then stopped and restarted replication on the remaining 40, and got about
ten more.  The next try netted four more, and since then I've been
replicating three folders at a time, which has been successful but slow.

Any ideas about what the problem might be?  

The E2K Cluster is running W2K AS SP2 and E2K SP3.  The SRS server has W2K
Server SP2 and E2K SP3.  E2K SP3 has been applied to the AD Connector server
as well.  The 5.5 box is running NT4SP6a and E5.5 SP4.



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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread William Lefkovics
His ass really is righteous.

But RBL was new to everyone here at one time or another.  

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page
far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of romance.
... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the 
> movie rental place last week? Those are just some of the 
> wonderful people who report to and maintain various RBLs. And 
> you're going to block what may be a critical sales order or 
> customer service request based on their say so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> leave more than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes 
> more than a nice to have for a business, RBLs become a 
> potential liability. An admin who knows what they are doing, 
> combined with software which doesn't completely suck might be 
> able to use them to some level of positive effect, but that'd 
> be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly"
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread David N. Precht
Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread William Lefkovics
Yes, a clean ass is best.

For the record, as covered at the Exchange Roadmap session at MEC in
October, RBL will be supported in Titanium.

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of David N.
Precht
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Darcy Adams
"RBL will be supported in Titanium."  Not according to Kathy Edens (of Microsoft) last 
Monday night.  They might be setting up hooks to make it easier to use 3rd party RBL 
software, but she said they didn't have any immediate plans to do anything natively.  

Personally, if they do it with the right feature set, I'd like to have that capability 
native.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yes, a clean ass is best.

For the record, as covered at the Exchange Roadmap session at MEC in
October, RBL will be supported in Titanium.

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of David N.
Precht
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Veld, Paul
I found the following URL very helpful when trying to decipher some of the
acronyms floating around the Internet that I didn't know the meaning
of... http://www.ucc.ie/acronyms/

-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 7:28 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well, if you mean I convinced you that an RBL can be Really Bad
(L)admininstration, yes, I'd say I answered it in depth and detail.

Real-time Black List is what it actually stands for.  And Chris can laugh at
me if he wants - I had to ask the first time I saw it as an acronym.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Never mind Darcy's previous message answered my question

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a
spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to and
maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a critical
sales order or customer service request based on their say so?

An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more
than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who
knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't
completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive
effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok please explain.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on 3rd parties 
> to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to join you 
> in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> company business.
> 
> --
> Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> EMS Sales Engineer
> MessageOne
> 512.652.4500 x-244
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday night and the 
> > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > including RBL support in a future release.
> > 
> > Darcy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Martin Blackstone
My wife thought so. She couldn't wipe the smile off her face after meeting
Sharff.


-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


His ass really is righteous.

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Martin Blackstone
I am sick and didn't shower today. Does that mean I cant post?

-Original Message-
From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions@;entrysecurity.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a web
page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of romance.
... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly"
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
I guess it all depends on your definition of "supported".


-Original Message-
From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


"RBL will be supported in Titanium."  Not according to Kathy Edens (of
Microsoft) last Monday night.  They might be setting up hooks to make it
easier to use 3rd party RBL software, but she said they didn't have any
immediate plans to do anything natively.  

Personally, if they do it with the right feature set, I'd like to have that
capability native.

Darcy

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yes, a clean ass is best.

For the record, as covered at the Exchange Roadmap session at MEC in
October, RBL will be supported in Titanium.

William 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-104116@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of David N.
Precht
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Andrea Coppini
Relaying Black List I guess

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@;superioraccess.com] 
Sent: 24 October 2002 1:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


I am sick and didn't shower today. Does that mean I cant post?

-Original Message-
From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions@;entrysecurity.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Let's keep it clean, shall we?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 17:25
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on a
web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers of
romance. ... 
Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 

I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


www.google.com?

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is and isn't a

> spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie rental place 
> last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who report to 
> and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> so?
> 
> An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they leave more

> than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than a nice to 
> have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An admin who 
> knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't 
> completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive 
> effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL 
> > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on
> 3rd parties
> > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to
> join you
> > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is costing their 
> > company business.
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE
> > EMS Sales Engineer
> > MessageOne
> > 512.652.4500 x-244
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Still 3rd party.  I was at a meeting at MS on Monday
> night and the
> > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about possibly" 
> > > including RBL support in a future release.
> > > 
> > > Darcy
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RBL's
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party?
> 
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RE: "unable to render this view" error

2002-10-23 Thread brenda
i did SEARCH!
and this article was to old and not relevant to our problem.
BTW i did all the fixes in that article BEFORE posting!
thank you for your effort to find for us the article but in my case i
Always check Technet and other resources before posting.

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Gregory Householder
Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've
learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced
Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller
companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to
know about Exchange administration.  I consider myself a pretty good
admin.  I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange
Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of
discussion lists are.  
 
A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that
there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.
 
I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't.  I
remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did
everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the
road.
 
Thanks for listening..

Greg Householder
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-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked
have been answered with something like the following, which tells me
there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..

I myself think it is getting old..

EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:


Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", follow the directions and
make sure you aren't an open relay when you get it working.  My guess is
that your server will be an open relay after reading some of the
previous posts.



I assume your talking about incoming mail.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q324021




You should either reconsider your decision to have port 137 opened or
install the latest Microsoft Security patch:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/secur
ity/bulletin/MS02-045.asp





-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before they post a
question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
assumptions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
(collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
on. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on 
> a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers

> of romance. ...
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages 
> 
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS 
> ASS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
> 
> 
> www.google.com?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> > 
> > 
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> rental place
> > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who
> report to
> > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a 
> > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say 
> > so?
> > 
> > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they
> leave more
> > than 

RE: OWA 2000 login prompt

2002-10-23 Thread Jeffrey A. Beckham
Make sure basic authentication is turned on on the public virtual
directory on the fe and be servers.  Also, check the following file
level permissions:

Winnt\system32
Winnt\inetsrv
Winnt\wbem
Exchsrvr\exchweb
Exchsrvr\res

Authenticated Users should have R, RX, and List.  Force the replacement
of permissions on child objects so that it resets the permissions on the
files in the directories.  I've seen problems where permissions on some
of the files are off from their parent folders.

Jeff


-Original Message-
From: Etts, Russell [mailto:retts@;harman.com] 
Posted At: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:07 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: OWA 2000 login prompt
Subject: RE: OWA 2000 login prompt

I'm curious - why do you ask if any of the public folders are on a
cluster?

Thanks

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Edwards, Aaron [mailto:AEdwards@;watrust.com]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 12:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 2000 login prompt


No, None of the public folder are on clustered servers. Just one
back-end
server.

-Original Message-
From: McBee, Jim [mailto:JMcBee@;cta.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:51 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA 2000 login prompt


Are any of your public folders on clustered back-end servers?  

-Original Message-
From: Edwards, Aaron [mailto:AEdwards@;watrust.com] 
Posted At: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:01 PM
Posted To: Exchange Technical Mailing List
Conversation: OWA 2000 login prompt
Subject: OWA 2000 login prompt


Hi,

I have an annoying problem with our front-end OWA 2000. Everytime a user
logs in and clicks on the folders view, it promps for authentication
from "owa server name"."domain name".com. 

The only way to get past the login prompt is to either hit escape, which
gives you a "Login failed or cancelled" error, or enter the OWA server's
local administrator authentication. After you hit escape and ok, it
works just fine though.

I have this feeling it's a permissions problem, but I'm not sure on
what. In Internet Services Manager, I have basic authentication checked
on the Exchange virtual directory level and Anonymous Access (using the
local IUSR_"Server Name" user) at the website level.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Aaron




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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Bryon Barkley
Here Here Gregory!  I couldn't said it better myself.  Some people forget
that they were once beginners too!!!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-99077@;ls.swynk.com]On Behalf Of Gregory
Householder
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've
learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced
Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller
companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to
know about Exchange administration.  I consider myself a pretty good
admin.  I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange
Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of
discussion lists are.

A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that
there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.

I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't.  I
remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did
everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the
road.

Thanks for listening..

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's

Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked
have been answered with something like the following, which tells me
there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting..

I myself think it is getting old..

EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS:


Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", follow the directions and
make sure you aren't an open relay when you get it working.  My guess is
that your server will be an open relay after reading some of the
previous posts.



I assume your talking about incoming mail.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q324021




You should either reconsider your decision to have port 137 opened or
install the latest Microsoft Security patch:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/secur
ity/bulletin/MS02-045.asp





-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why
should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the
list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before they post a
question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes
assumptions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/.
Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail.
I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched
google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding
history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you
(collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my
assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot
on.

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
>
>
> Yea I really didn't think we were talking about:
> RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE
> RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on
> a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers

> of romance. ...
> Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links.
> Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance
> www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS
> ASS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: RBL's
>
>
> www.google.com?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> >
> >
> > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: RBL's
> >
> >
> > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is
> and isn't a
> > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie
> rental place
> > last week? 

RE: "unable to render this view" error

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
That puts you in the distinct minority of posters then. Join the elite few
by showing your work and you too can have a gold star next to your name. 

Seriously, if you've tried something and it didn't work then you should
include that information so those trying to help you don't cover old ground.
It keeps you from being offended because you might think you're being
patronized and it saves those who might want to respond to your post time in
researching and eliminating possible causes. More work for you certainly,
but it helps you to properly phrase your question and prevents those who
might respond from listing every possible cause of the problem you're
seeing.


-Original Message-
thank you for your effort to find for us the article but in my case i
Always check Technet and other resources before posting.

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Exchange 5.5 to 2000 Public Folder replication

2002-10-23 Thread Lee
I am in the process of migrating our Exchange 5.5 server to Exchange 2000.
All of the public folders are currently held on the 5.5 server. I have set
up Public Folder replication between the two servers but after replicating
once they will not replicate again. Consequently anybodires mailbox that
has been moved to the new server can't see most of the public folders.
Also we are getting several conflicts as well.

I have set up a seperate connection agreement for Public Folders

Any Ideas

Lee 

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Exchange a little slow but not for everyone

2002-10-23 Thread Morgan, Joshua
Hello all, here is my issue, I have several users who are experiencing
extreme slow downs with exchange, like 20 seconds to open an e-mail without
an attachment.
Currently everyone is running 
Windows XP and Office 2000
Server is Exchange 5.5 SP4 Running on a Windows 2000 Server with SP3

Its got me stumped because some people do not have any problems...

Any Help Appreciated,
Joshua







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Cell: (864) 449-9912
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New SMTP address generation in 5.5

2002-10-23 Thread Sean Winters
We are adding a new email domain to our existing 5.5 org. What is the
easiest way to automagically add the new "@newdomainname.org" to the
existing users addresses? It looks like 2K has an address generation tool
for such things but I can't find anything for 5.5.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Sean

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Exchange a little slow but not for everyone

2002-10-23 Thread Joshua
My Apologies if this Double Posts

Hello all, here is my issue, I have several users who are experiencing
extreme slow downs with exchange, like 20 seconds to open an e-mail
without an attachment. Currently everyone is running
Windows XP and Office 2000
Server is Exchange 5.5 SP4 Running on a Windows 2000 Server with SP3

Its got me stumped because some people do not have any problems…

Any Help Appreciated,
Joshua







Joshua Morgan
PROFITLAB
Senior Network Engineer
Phone: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
Cell: (864) 449-9912
Fax: (413) 581-4936
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.profit-lab.com
http://ncontrol.info

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New SMTP address generation in 5.5

2002-10-23 Thread Sean Winters
We are adding a new email domain to our existing 5.5 org. What is the
easiest way to automagically add the new "@newdomainname.org" to the
existing users addresses? It looks like 2K has an address generation tool
for such things but I can't find anything for 5.5.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Sean

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Well said Gregory. I too work for a smaller company and am routinely faced
with chanllenges which fall well outside my normal areas of 'expertise'[1].
Resources like this one and various others make my life much easier. Finding
people who know more about a topic you need help in, and who are willing to
share that expertise is a cause for joy.

Those who, on this list or on others learn to properly frame their issues,
research problems and then relay their quandry to their peers are already
miles ahead of those who lack those skills even if they are further behind
the curve in a certain topic area. 

There is a basic, fundamental toolset which all technical folks ought to
have. It's fairly evident from this forum (and many, many others) that too
few admins have a grasp of the fundamental tools required to do their jobs
or, have grown sloppy in their maintenance and usage of said tools. 

I guess some people get offended when pointed back to their toolbox, but I
for one enjoy exercising my basic skills as often and as thoroughly as
possible. It's amazing what one can learn sometimes by doing so. Course when
all else fails, deja.com or the archives are a good source of info. 


[1] If only my cow-orkers asked more questions about porn.

-Original Message-
From: Gregory Householder
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: RBL's

Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've
learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced
Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller
companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to
know about Exchange administration.  I consider myself a pretty good
admin.  I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange
Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of
discussion lists are.  
 
A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins.  I admit that
there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list.
 
I've said my two cents..  I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't.  I
remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did
everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the
road.
 
Thanks for listening..

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Chris Scharff
Nor could I after meeting her. What an amazing woman.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: RBL's

My wife thought so. She couldn't wipe the smile off her face after
meeting
Sharff.


-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


His ass really is righteous.

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RE: RBL's

2002-10-23 Thread Andy David
If only Martin hadnt slept through his wedding night.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:chris_scharff@;messageone.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


Nor could I after meeting her. What an amazing woman.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/23/2002 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: RBL's

My wife thought so. She couldn't wipe the smile off her face after
meeting
Sharff.


-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:william@;techsanctuary.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: RBL's


His ass really is righteous.

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