RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Ed Crowley
Also remember that it sends a notification to each recipient only once until
it is turned off and back on again. 

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
One man's Spam is another man's UCE.


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To: Exchange Discussions

Does it not work period, or does it just not work when receiving mail from
the Internet?  Exchange 2000 (and 5.5) have a feature that allows you to
turn off Out of Office responses to the Internet.  Exchange 2000 has this
turned off by default.  If OOF is working inside the office, but not
outside, this would be the problem.
-

Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418

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Posted At: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:54 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Out of Office Outlook98 and Exchange 2000
Subject: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000



I have an issue with one user in that they set Out Of Office, but it
doesn't work. Although it informs them that it is on, if a mail is sent
to them no OOO is received in reply. 

Server: 1 Exchange 2000 Sp3
 Mailbox limit set to 280Mb

Client  NT4 SP6 Outlook 98 (8.5.6614.0)
Mailbox size 86Mb

We use roaming profiles, we have set his profile from scratch just in
case, although it is a server side function. 

I would be grateful for any advice that may point me in the right
direction.

David


Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee
Registered in England Company No. 291646


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RE: Exchange 2003 with Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Neil Hobson
Sure we do, but sometimes it's nice to have some info on setting up the
lab.  :-)

Mike - just run the ExDeploy utility supplied on the E2k3 CD - it covers
step-by-step several scenarios of installation, including deploying an
additional E2k3 server.

Neil

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Posted At: 27 June 2003 05:42
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Exchange 2003 with Exchange 2000
Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 with Exchange 2000


I was hoping to set it up and move a couple mailboxes over to it to
start playing with it.

Uh huh... Yeah.  We ordinarily call that a lab. 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange 2003 with Exchange 2000

Is there a howto or white paper on setting up an Exchange 2003 as a
second server to an Exchange 2000 server? I was hoping to set it up and
move a couple mailboxes over to it to start playing with it.

Any gotchas or look out fors that I should know about?

Thanks,
Mike


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RE: Not Open Relay, but...

2003-06-27 Thread William Lefkovics
Oh well.
 

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Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but...

boggle

You tested someone else's domain at abuse.net without permission?  You do
realize that if it would have failed other tests, they get put on RBL's?
Not a move I would have made.  Yikes.
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Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday,
June 26, 2003 12:19 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Not Open Relay, but...
Subject: RE: Not Open Relay, but...


I tested it using abuse.net's relay test. It looks like your good for
not being an open relay. So my opinion is that you just have a spammer
who's trying to mine for address in your company. From what I
understand, there's a new program going around the spammer world, that
bruteforce guesses e-mail address and collects the NDR's from that
domain to determine what's legit and what isn't. My advise would be for
you to trace back the IP address he's using and put it in your host.deny
file.



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RE: IIS log Files with wrong date??

2003-06-27 Thread Chris Quinn
For an interesting article on time standards (or non-standards as they seem
to be) have a look at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,985020,00.html

Chris Quinn
IT Manager
Blue Planet Aquarium 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 June 2003 22:45
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IIS log Files with wrong date??


I thought they were in UTC.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T


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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IIS log Files with wrong date??


IIS Log times are in GMT 

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From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: IIS log Files with wrong date??

W2K Sp3, E2K Sp3 -- only one exchange server.

I setup OWA and im trying to trouble shoot a problem.  Enabled IIS logging
and the time in the logs do not match the actual time.  Example I log into
OWA at 14:00 and my logs say that I did at 18:00.  Any ideas? My system time
is correct, My DC time is correct, the computer that im logging into OWA
with time is correct.  Looked on technet for wrong log time with IIS and
haven't found anything useful yet.  I'm sure its some newbie thing ive over
looked. Thanks for any input

Matt

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RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Exchange Discussion
Only tested Internally, I don't like allowing Out of Office responses to the Internet 
;-)

Regards
David

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 June 2003 16:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Does it not work period, or does it just not work when receiving mail
from the Internet?  Exchange 2000 (and 5.5) have a feature that allows
you to turn off Out of Office responses to the Internet.  Exchange 2000
has this turned off by default.  If OOF is working inside the office,
but not outside, this would be the problem.
-

Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418

Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:54 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Out of Office Outlook98 and Exchange 2000
Subject: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000



I have an issue with one user in that they set Out Of Office, but it
doesn't work. Although it informs them that it is on, if a mail is sent
to them no OOO is received in reply. 

Server: 1 Exchange 2000 Sp3
 Mailbox limit set to 280Mb

Client  NT4 SP6 Outlook 98 (8.5.6614.0)
Mailbox size 86Mb

We use roaming profiles, we have set his profile from scratch just in
case, although it is a server side function. 

I would be grateful for any advice that may point me in the right
direction.

David


Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee
Registered in England Company No. 291646


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RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Exchange Discussion
Isn't allowing Out of Office replies to the Internet a great thing :-)

-Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion 
Sent: 27 June 2003 10:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Only tested Internally, I don't like allowing Out of Office responses to the Internet 
;-)

Regards
David

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 June 2003 16:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Does it not work period, or does it just not work when receiving mail
from the Internet?  Exchange 2000 (and 5.5) have a feature that allows
you to turn off Out of Office responses to the Internet.  Exchange 2000
has this turned off by default.  If OOF is working inside the office,
but not outside, this would be the problem.
-

Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner  White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418

Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:54 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Out of Office Outlook98 and Exchange 2000
Subject: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000



I have an issue with one user in that they set Out Of Office, but it
doesn't work. Although it informs them that it is on, if a mail is sent
to them no OOO is received in reply. 

Server: 1 Exchange 2000 Sp3
 Mailbox limit set to 280Mb

Client  NT4 SP6 Outlook 98 (8.5.6614.0)
Mailbox size 86Mb

We use roaming profiles, we have set his profile from scratch just in
case, although it is a server side function. 

I would be grateful for any advice that may point me in the right
direction.

David


Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7 3YG Registered Charity No. 209617 A company limited by guarantee
Registered in England Company No. 291646


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RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Neil Hobson
If OOF isn't working at all for this user, it could be that this user's
OOF message is corrupt.  Try the following:

The OOF message is a hidden entry in the user's mailbox.  The Out of
Office Assistant creates a set of two rules in the Inbox subtree.

The first contains a Message Class of
IPM.Note.Rules.Oof.Template.MicrosoftMessage with a field,
PT_String8=MSFT:TDX OOF Rules. The other rule contains a Message Class
of IPM.Note.Rules.OoFTemplate.Microsoft. If one or both of these rules
are corrupted or unsynchronized with the OOF-enabled indicator, then
it's possible that the Out Of Office notification may no longer work.

To resolve this, use the Mdbvue32 utility from the Exchange Server 2000
CD-ROM or the Exchange 2000 Server service pack to delete the two
entries for Out of Office. Export the user Rules from Outlook (client
and server), then use MDB Viewer to manually remove all Rules from the
mailbox.  To do this:

1. Find mdbvu32.exe in the \support\utils directory on any of the
Exchange Server CDs.
2. Run mdbvu32.exe.
3. Click OK to clear the first window that pops up.
4. Make sure that your profile is selected in the Choose Profile window
and click OK.
5. Click on the MDB menu option.
6. Click on the OpenMessageStore option.
7. Make sure that Mailbox- [user's full name] is selected and click on
Open
8. Click on the MDB menu option again.
9. Click Open Root Folder.
10. In the Child Folders box - double click on Top of Information
Store.
11. In the next Child Folders box - double click on Inbox.
12. Look in the Associated Messages in Fld box. (All of your rules are
in this box).
13. Once you find the rule that you want to delete then close the
properties for that rule.
14. On the MAPI_FOLDER page make sure that the rule that you want to
delete is still highlighted.
15. In the Operations available (select operation, then push Call
Function button) text box, push the drop down button to reveal the list
of functions.
16. Scroll down the list of functions until you see lpFld -
deleteMessages() (ON SELECTED MSGS) and then click on it to select it.
17. Next press the Call Function button. This will delete the rule that
you selected.
18. Press the Close button to exit the MAPI_FOLDER window.
19. Press Close again to exit the next window.
20. Press close again to exit the last window.
21. Click on the MDB menu option.
22. Click Store Logoff. (Then click OK and OK again).
23. Click Session and then click on Exit.

Microsoft KB articles that address this issue are:
Q297281 XADM: Out of Office Message Is Not Sent
Q255509 OL2000: (CW) How to Use the Out of Office Assistant
Q253138 XADM: Mdbvu32.exe to Delete Delegate Rules in a User's Mailbox

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: 27 June 2003 10:38
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Isn't allowing Out of Office replies to the Internet a great thing :-)

-Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion
Sent: 27 June 2003 10:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Only tested Internally, I don't like allowing Out of Office responses to
the Internet ;-)

Regards
David

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RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000

2003-06-27 Thread Exchange Discussion
Cheers Neil I'll give it a go.

Regards
David

-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 June 2003 10:51
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


If OOF isn't working at all for this user, it could be that this user's
OOF message is corrupt.  Try the following:

The OOF message is a hidden entry in the user's mailbox.  The Out of
Office Assistant creates a set of two rules in the Inbox subtree.

The first contains a Message Class of
IPM.Note.Rules.Oof.Template.MicrosoftMessage with a field,
PT_String8=MSFT:TDX OOF Rules. The other rule contains a Message Class
of IPM.Note.Rules.OoFTemplate.Microsoft. If one or both of these rules
are corrupted or unsynchronized with the OOF-enabled indicator, then
it's possible that the Out Of Office notification may no longer work.

To resolve this, use the Mdbvue32 utility from the Exchange Server 2000
CD-ROM or the Exchange 2000 Server service pack to delete the two
entries for Out of Office. Export the user Rules from Outlook (client
and server), then use MDB Viewer to manually remove all Rules from the
mailbox.  To do this:

1. Find mdbvu32.exe in the \support\utils directory on any of the
Exchange Server CDs.
2. Run mdbvu32.exe.
3. Click OK to clear the first window that pops up.
4. Make sure that your profile is selected in the Choose Profile window
and click OK.
5. Click on the MDB menu option.
6. Click on the OpenMessageStore option.
7. Make sure that Mailbox- [user's full name] is selected and click on
Open
8. Click on the MDB menu option again.
9. Click Open Root Folder.
10. In the Child Folders box - double click on Top of Information
Store.
11. In the next Child Folders box - double click on Inbox.
12. Look in the Associated Messages in Fld box. (All of your rules are
in this box).
13. Once you find the rule that you want to delete then close the
properties for that rule.
14. On the MAPI_FOLDER page make sure that the rule that you want to
delete is still highlighted.
15. In the Operations available (select operation, then push Call
Function button) text box, push the drop down button to reveal the list
of functions.
16. Scroll down the list of functions until you see lpFld -
deleteMessages() (ON SELECTED MSGS) and then click on it to select it.
17. Next press the Call Function button. This will delete the rule that
you selected.
18. Press the Close button to exit the MAPI_FOLDER window.
19. Press Close again to exit the next window.
20. Press close again to exit the last window.
21. Click on the MDB menu option.
22. Click Store Logoff. (Then click OK and OK again).
23. Click Session and then click on Exit.

Microsoft KB articles that address this issue are:
Q297281 XADM: Out of Office Message Is Not Sent
Q255509 OL2000: (CW) How to Use the Out of Office Assistant
Q253138 XADM: Mdbvu32.exe to Delete Delegate Rules in a User's Mailbox

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: 27 June 2003 10:38
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Isn't allowing Out of Office replies to the Internet a great thing :-)

-Original Message-
From: Exchange Discussion
Sent: 27 June 2003 10:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OOOF Outlook98 and Exchange 2000


Only tested Internally, I don't like allowing Out of Office responses to
the Internet ;-)

Regards
David

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Haiku Friday

2003-06-27 Thread Tim Gowen

New server install,
Hard drive failure within days.
Wait for engineer.


Tim

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Veritas OR Microsoft Echange Restore

2003-06-27 Thread Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC
If you are using Veritas as a backup system and you ant to restore
Exchange5.5,which procedure would you follow Microsoft restore or Veritas
restore? I am getting readt to restore exchange and i was looking at
Veritas way of doing it, and also Microsoft way, and i figured since i am
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RE: Black List Recommendation

2003-06-27 Thread Roger Seielstad
We use Spamcop's BL, and have had very good success with it - although we're
calling it from Sendmail directly on our external relays.

One of the biggest advantages is that they post *exactly* why a mail server
is listed, and they give specific steps to get unlisted.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Black List Recommendation
 
 
 Hi
 
 Am currently evaluating GFIs MailEssentials anti-spam product 
 and would like to try the Black List functionality.? Does 
 anyone have a recommendation for a good black list???
 ?
 Thanks in advance
 
 Greg
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RE: Black List Recommendation

2003-06-27 Thread Woodruff, Michael
I think Spamcop is a little to aggressive for some.  Then again, if you want to block 
spam, go for it. 


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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:14 PM
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We use Spamcop as primary and NJABL as secondary. The most agile and accurate is 
Spamcop and you can expect to get rid of 90+% of Spam using that list.

/Luis

On 27 Jun 2003 at 12:03, Greg Marr wrote:

 Hi
 
 Am currently evaluating GFIs MailEssentials anti-spam product and 
 would like to try the Black List functionality.  Does anyone have a 
 recommendation for a good black list???   Thanks in advance
 
 Greg



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Re: Veritas OR Microsoft Echange Restore

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
What are the differences?

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 If you are using Veritas as a backup system and you ant to restore
 Exchange5.5,which procedure would you follow Microsoft restore or Veritas
 restore? I am getting readt to restore exchange and i was looking at
 Veritas way of doing it, and also Microsoft way, and i figured since i am
 using Veritas, i might as well do it theirway

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HTML Message hangs outlook

2003-06-27 Thread Chris Quinn
On several machine in my organisation, attempting to open a message from one
particular supplier causes Outlook to hang - I can open it in Outlook XP on
my machine, but even previewing it in Outlook 2000 on at least three other
machines causes a Not responding message in task manager.  This even
happens when showing the message in the Preview pane.  The machines in
question are running Win98SE and Outlook 2000 SR1, and the server is
Exchange 5.5 SP4 on NT4 SP6a.

If I save the message as a html file, the machines can open it in Internet
Explorer.

Saving the message as an HTML file and opening it in a text editor shows
that it was generated by MS Word 9 - the HTML header is shown below:

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML xmlns=http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40; xmlns:v = 
urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml xmlns:o = 
urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office xmlns:w = 
urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:wordHEADTITLELizards/TITLE
META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
META content=Word.Document name=ProgId
META content=MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800 name=GENERATOR
META content=Microsoft Word 9 name=OriginatorLINK 
href=cid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rel=File-ListLINK 
href=cid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rel=Edit-Time-Data!--[if !mso]

Any ideas why Outlook can't handle it?

Chris Quinn
IT Manager
Blue Planet Aquarium 

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RE: Haiku Friday

2003-06-27 Thread Harmer, Michael
WD Click of Death
Christmas Day in Nighty Eight
I survived, barely

I Feel your pain
Exchange Server 5.0
Nightmare it was then

Michael Harmer

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New server install,
Hard drive failure within days.
Wait for engineer.


Tim

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Migrating strategy

2003-06-27 Thread Pham, Tuan
Good morning all!

I'm asking around in the group for different methods of what would be the safe choice 
to migrating 5.5 to E2K(not at once, we're looking at a period of six-months before 
retire 5.5).   This is kind of what I have in my environment:

One NT4.0 domain with a single site of Exch5.5 - roughly 1700 mailboxes 
One Active Directory - Single domain -2DCs 

There is a full trust between the two right now, we're planing to use ADMT for this 
process.

Any thoughts or input will be grateful.

Thanks!!!

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Removing NNTP entries

2003-06-27 Thread Johan Sunnerstig
Hi.
We have a box running XChange 5.5 Sp4 on NT Server 4 Sp6a.
A long time ago we served NNTP from this box, but since it was used very
little, and since it requires a hefty amount of disk, we got rid of it.
However, the news entries remain in the main site, hidden, but they still
slow down alot of thing, such as IMAP.

Im wondering, is there any way to remove these?
I've tried just about everything I can think of.

Regards
Johan

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RE: Black List Recommendation

2003-06-27 Thread Tom Meunier
Find anything good here?  Interesting augmentation, if you don't do business with the 
target country...

http://blackholes.us/

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 Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
 Conversation: Black List Recommendation
 Subject: Black List Recommendation
 
 
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 Am currently evaluating GFIs MailEssentials anti-spam product 
 and would like to try the Black List functionality.  Does 
 anyone have a recommendation for a good black list???
  
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RE: Veritas OR Microsoft Echange Restore

2003-06-27 Thread John Parker
Confusion Reigns here
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-Original Message-
From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Veritas OR Microsoft Echange Restore


If you are using Veritas as a backup system and you ant to restore
Exchange5.5,which procedure would you follow Microsoft restore or Veritas
restore? I am getting readt to restore exchange and i was looking at
Veritas way of doing it, and also Microsoft way, and i figured since i am
using Veritas, i might as well do it theirway

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Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Mellott, Bill
I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
Antigen will do it.

I spoke to Trend about this yesterday and they said it is a limitation of
the program (whatever that means). I would not look for them add any new
features to their E55 versions of Scanmail. 

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Mellott, Bill
thanks

No I was kind'a hoping they might add it to IMSS

Dont know If I can get the $$$ Antigen..will have to see...

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


Antigen will do it.

I spoke to Trend about this yesterday and they said it is a limitation of
the program (whatever that means). I would not look for them add any new
features to their E55 versions of Scanmail. 

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Couch, Nate
What version of Trend are you running?  All of the versions I know about
from Trend allow file blocking based on file extension.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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Re: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
Antigen, Tumbleweed etc..
Most of the gateway products will do this for you.

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From: Mellott, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


 I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
 files..
 i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail
I
 need to block it..

 Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

 rec's from anyone??? please
 FYI: presently exch55sp4.
 But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

 yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
 will...sigh...bummer...

 thanks!

 bill

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Mellott, Bill
IMSS 5.12..true while it will allow attachment blocking.
IF say the EXE in questions is zip'd up..NG it passes right thru
It does get scanned for vireses...BUT hey...Im a bit of a dictator...NO
EXE..etc.. period! in my system

so now people have a way of getting around the EXEetc attachment
block...just ZIP it up and it's in!

bill

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


What version of Trend are you running?  All of the versions I know about
from Trend allow file blocking based on file extension.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
They all do. But the 3.x versions for Exchange 5.5 will not block an
extension if it is in a ZIP file.
I have no clue if the E2K versions can. 

-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

What version of Trend are you running?  All of the versions I know about
from Trend allow file blocking based on file extension.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP


I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
files..
i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I
need to block it..

Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)

rec's from anyone??? please
FYI: presently exch55sp4.
But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.

yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
will...sigh...bummer...

thanks!

bill

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Re: Migrating strategy

2003-06-27 Thread Tony Hlabse
Are you willing to change the name of your Domain?

From: Pham, Tuan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Migrating strategy
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:46:56 -0500
Good morning all!

I'm asking around in the group for different methods of what would be the 
safe choice to migrating 5.5 to E2K(not at once, we're looking at a period 
of six-months before retire 5.5).   This is kind of what I have in my 
environment:

One NT4.0 domain with a single site of Exch5.5 - roughly 1700 mailboxes
One Active Directory - Single domain -2DCs
There is a full trust between the two right now, we're planing to use ADMT 
for this process.

Any thoughts or input will be grateful.

Thanks!!!

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RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP

2003-06-27 Thread Couch, Nate
I see the light.

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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:44 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP
 
 They all do. But the 3.x versions for Exchange 5.5 will not block an
 extension if it is in a ZIP file.
 I have no clue if the E2K versions can. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:20 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP
 
 What version of Trend are you running?  All of the versions I know about
 from Trend allow file blocking based on file extension.
 
 Nate Couch
 EDS Messaging
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP
 
 
 I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP
 files..
 i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail
 I
 need to block it..
 
 Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!)
 
 rec's from anyone??? please
 FYI: presently exch55sp4.
 But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also.
 
 yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they
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PF creation script in e2k

2003-06-27 Thread Presley, Steven
I am looking for a way to script pf creation in a native win2k\e2k
environment.  I was hoping that I could use pfadmin to create public
folders, but it does not seem to be able to do it.  Could anyone point
me in the right direction on how to script pf creation in e2k (examples,
links, etc..)?
 
Thanks!
 
Steve

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Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Pillai, Raj


Hello Everyone,

Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all outbound internet
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(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)

Thanks

Raj

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Pillai, Raj

Thanks.

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Mark Nold
Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?

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Thanks.

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You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Gill Gilliland
Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would include the
logo?

Gill


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Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?

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Thanks.

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(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)

Thanks

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Mark Nold
I've thought of that but that then requires touching each client does it
not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?

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Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would include the
logo?

Gill


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Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?

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Thanks.

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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Erik Sojka
Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the business
thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?

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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
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 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
 I've thought of that but that then requires touching each 
 client does it
 not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
 
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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
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 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would include the
 logo?
 
 Gill
 
 
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 Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
 
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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
 Thanks.
 
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 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
 You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 
 
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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
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 Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
 
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 Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all outbound internet
 emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
 
 (Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
 
 Thanks
 
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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Ben Schorr
I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A friend from
another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that looks like their
company letterhead.

That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail client doesn't
support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people on dial-up links
and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
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 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the 
 business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
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  I've thought of that but that then requires touching each 
 client does 
  it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would 
 include the 
  logo?
  
  Gill
  
  
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  Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
  
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  Thanks.
  
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  You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 
  
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  Hello Everyone,
  
  Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all 
 outbound internet 
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  (Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
  
  Thanks
  
  Raj
  
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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Erik Sojka
Oy.  Because Email has to be made the *exact* equivalent of paper messages,
right?  

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
 I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A friend from
 another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that 
 looks like their
 company letterhead.
 
 That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail 
 client doesn't
 support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people 
 on dial-up links
 and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.
 
 -Ben-
 Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
 Director of Information Services
 Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
 http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the 
  business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   I've thought of that but that then requires touching each 
  client does 
   it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would 
  include the 
   logo?
   
   Gill
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Mark Nold
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   Thanks.
   
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
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   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   
   Hello Everyone,
   
   Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all 
  outbound internet 
   emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
   
   (Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
   
   Thanks
   
   Raj
   
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Re: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
Heck, why stop there.
Include a handy PowerPoint presentation with every email!



- Original Message - 
From: Ben Schorr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


 I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A friend from
 another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that looks like
their
 company letterhead.

 That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail client doesn't
 support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people on dial-up
links
 and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.

 -Ben-
 Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
 Director of Information Services
 Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
 http://www.hawaiilawyer.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
  Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the
  business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
   I've thought of that but that then requires touching each
  client does
   it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
   Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would
  include the
   logo?
  
   Gill
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nold
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
   Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
   Thanks.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
   You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
  
   Hello Everyone,
  
   Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all
  outbound internet
   emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
  
   (Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
  
   Thanks
  
   Raj
  
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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Ben Schorr
I'll suggest that!  Maybe something self-executing with a company theme
song.  Announce your presence with authority!  :)

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:38
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Heck, why stop there.
 Include a handy PowerPoint presentation with every email!
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ben Schorr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
  I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A 
 friend from
  another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that 
 looks like
 their
  company letterhead.
 
  That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail 
 client doesn't
  support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people 
 on dial-up
 links
  and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.
 
  -Ben-
  Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
  Director of Information Services
  Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
  http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
   Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the
   business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
  
-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
I've thought of that but that then requires touching each
   client does
it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
   
-Original Message-
From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would
   include the
logo?
   
Gill
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
 Of Mark Nold
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
   
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Thanks.
   
-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this.
   
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   
Hello Everyone,
   
Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all
   outbound internet
emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
   
(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
   
Thanks
   
Raj
   
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OT: Server Feedback

2003-06-27 Thread Cooke, Brian
All,
We're looking at our options for a new exchange server.   On the hardware
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though, so I was curious if any one has any feedback as far as Dell servers
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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Ben Schorr
I guess.  I advised against it, but as usual the PHB's don't want to hear
it.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:35
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Oy.  Because Email has to be made the *exact* equivalent of 
 paper messages, right?  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
  
  I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A 
 friend from 
  another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that 
 looks like 
  their company letterhead.
  
  That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail client 
  doesn't support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular 
 with people on 
  dial-up links and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.
  
  -Ben-
  Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information 
  Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
   
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the 
   business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
   
-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


I've thought of that but that then requires touching each 
   client does 
it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?

-Original Message-
From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would 
   include the 
logo?

Gill


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Mark Nold
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?

-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this. 

-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails



Hello Everyone,

Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all 
   outbound internet 
emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)

(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)

Thanks

Raj

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Re: OT: Server Feedback

2003-06-27 Thread Tony Hlabse
Always go with first tier Servers, Storage and backup devices. If you 
consider Dell in that catergory then fine.

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:40:07 -0400
All,
We're looking at our options for a new exchange server.   On the hardware
side of things we're leaning towards Dell.  We have never used Dell before
though, so I was curious if any one has any feedback as far as Dell servers
are concerned and how their support is?
Thanks in advance for all your responses.

Brian

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RE: Server Feedback

2003-06-27 Thread Marlovits, John [JM1]
I've used Dell before and really didn't have too many issues.  Their
support is decent.  The only problems were with the remote assist cards
with Netware 5.
I'd pay for the 4hr response time if it's an important server with any
vendor.
I'm using Compaq/HP now and they are also fine.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
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All,
We're looking at our options for a new exchange server.   On the
hardware
side of things we're leaning towards Dell.  We have never used Dell
before though, so I was curious if any one has any feedback as far as
Dell servers are concerned and how their support is?

Thanks in advance for all your responses.


Brian

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Change Password in Outlook doesn't work across a trust

2003-06-27 Thread john
I have users logging into Outlook to Exchange that is in a different
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Exchange 2000 default signature for all email mailboxes

2003-06-27 Thread john
Anyone know how to make a generic signature go out from Exchange for every
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RE: Exchange 2000 default signature for all email mailboxes

2003-06-27 Thread Pillai, Raj

You can add a disclaimer/default signature with a lot of the Anti-virus
products that
are available. I use Trendmicro's IMSS.

Other alternative is to add an SMTP event sync. Search the Microsoft KB
for the article.


Raj

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every
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RE: Exchange 2000 default signature for all email mailboxes

2003-06-27 Thread Slinger, Gary
Yes, thanks.  I even know how to read a FAQ and search with google. 

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Anyone know how to make a generic signature go out from Exchange for every
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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Wilson, Fenton
And an electric email commanded taser to shock some sense into him/her

Fenton

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


I'll suggest that!  Maybe something self-executing with a company theme
song.  Announce your presence with authority!  :)

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:38
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Heck, why stop there.
 Include a handy PowerPoint presentation with every email!
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ben Schorr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
  I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A 
 friend from
  another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that 
 looks like
 their
  company letterhead.
 
  That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail 
 client doesn't
  support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people 
 on dial-up
 links
  and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.
 
  -Ben-
  Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
  Director of Information Services
  Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
  http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
   Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the
   business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
  
-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
I've thought of that but that then requires touching each
   client does
it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
   
-Original Message-
From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would
   include the
logo?
   
Gill
   
   
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
 Of Mark Nold
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
   
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Thanks.
   
-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this.
   
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   
Hello Everyone,
   
Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all
   outbound internet
emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
   
(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
   
Thanks
   
Raj
   
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RE: Server Feedback

2003-06-27 Thread Sean Winters
Ditto this comment. 

For some reason I have been around Dell servers probably more than any
other make for the last 5-6 years. In that time I can tell you I have
seen one RAID card and one hard drive (Fujitsu - but sold through Dell)
fail. This was not on the same server. Oh, also one DLT changer ate a
tape and had to be replaced.

Four hour service is nice and reasonably priced. The above DLT changer
had this and I had a replacement in hand in about 90 minutes. Not bad.

On a slightly different note, do not consider Dell Inspiron laptops for
anything other than target practice. In my experience there has been not
been a more problematic laptop produced.

Sean Winters

-Original Message-
From: Marlovits, John [JM1] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:49 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Server Feedback

I've used Dell before and really didn't have too many issues.  Their
support is decent.  The only problems were with the remote assist cards
with Netware 5.
I'd pay for the 4hr response time if it's an important server with any
vendor.
I'm using Compaq/HP now and they are also fine.


-Original Message-
From: Cooke, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OT: Server Feedback


All,
We're looking at our options for a new exchange server.   On the
hardware
side of things we're leaning towards Dell.  We have never used Dell
before though, so I was curious if any one has any feedback as far as
Dell servers are concerned and how their support is?

Thanks in advance for all your responses.


Brian

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Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread MSX dude
Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit. 
If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
I don't see the benefits either.  Your two points are spot on.  Exchange
failures are generally due to poor hardware or poor administration.
Mitigate these two issues and you will have a great single-node [1] cluster.


[1] Single-Node copyright Ed Crowley.






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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?


Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server. We
already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit. 
If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising clustering
because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?

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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand holding
in a cluster. 

-Original Message-
From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit. 
If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising clustering
because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?

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Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread William Lefkovics
But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


- Original Message - 
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
 In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
holding
 in a cluster.

 -Original Message-
 From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

 Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
 We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit.
 If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
 corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

 I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
clustering
 because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
 whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?



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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Schneider, Bryan D
You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the server (not 
likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where you have to apply 
patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service packs, etc... You can 
failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much time as you need to work on the 
server without interrupting users or bouncing email.
 
On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and the rest 
using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one quad-Xeon 700Mhz 
without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange 2003 with Windows 2003 runs 
more efficiently so far in our tests. However, Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / 
PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to failover to. 
 
You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a heartbeat. We haven't 
had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we attributed to the SAN. 
 
2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

-Original Message- 
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


- Original Message -
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
 In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
holding
 in a cluster.

 -Original Message-
 From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

 Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
 We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit.
 If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
 corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

 I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
clustering
 because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
 whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?



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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
Havent they recommended Active/Passive for awhile now?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, Bryan D
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the server (not 
likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where you have to apply 
patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service packs, etc... You can 
failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much time as you need to work on the 
server without interrupting users or bouncing email.
 
On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and the rest 
using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one quad-Xeon 700Mhz 
without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange 2003 with Windows 2003 runs 
more efficiently so far in our tests. However, Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / 
PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to failover to. 
 
You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a heartbeat. We haven't 
had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we attributed to the SAN. 
 
2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

-Original Message- 
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


- Original Message -
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
 In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
holding
 in a cluster.

 -Original Message-
 From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

 Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
 We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit.
 If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
 corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

 I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
clustering
 because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
 whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?



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Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread William Lefkovics
Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


- Original Message - 
From: Schneider, Bryan D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.

 On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.

 You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.

 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

 -Original Message- 
 From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



 But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

 With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
 Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


  That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
  In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
 holding
  in a cluster.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?
 
  Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
  We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the
benefit.
  If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the
database
  corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.
 
  I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
 clustering
  because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
  whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?
 


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RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

2003-06-27 Thread Dan Bartley
A major automotive manufacturer did this for a bit, required in the company
pronounced sig. It was very silly and amateurish, made employees very
embarrassed to send email. 

The logo was about 200x200 and they used fonts at about 16 pt. I guess they
saw the light, I don't see it in their sigs anymore, just normal text now.

Dan Bartley 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Fenton
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 16:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails

And an electric email commanded taser to shock some sense into him/her

Fenton

-Original Message-
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails


I'll suggest that!  Maybe something self-executing with a company theme
song.  Announce your presence with authority!  :)

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:38
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 Heck, why stop there.
 Include a handy PowerPoint presentation with every email!
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ben Schorr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:39 PM
 Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
 
 
  I've been seeing a lot of activity in this area lately.  A 
 friend from
  another firm has been tasked with creating stationery that 
 looks like
 their
  company letterhead.
 
  That'll be fun when they have to e-mail somebody who's mail 
 client doesn't
  support HTML.  It'll probably make them popular with people 
 on dial-up
 links
  and who pay for their bandwidth and connect time, too.
 
  -Ben-
  Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4
  Director of Information Services
  Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
  http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:32
   To: Exchange Discussions
   Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
  
   Other than shiny things making managers happy, what is the
   business thingamabob you're trying to solve with putting the logo?
  
-Original Message-
From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
I've thought of that but that then requires touching each
   client does
it not?  Is there a way to force stationary on the server level?
   
-Original Message-
From: Gill Gilliland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
Couldn't you just create your own stationary that would
   include the
logo?
   
Gill
   
   
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 Of Mark Nold
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Any suggestions as to which 3rd party apps?
   
-Original Message-
From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
Thanks.
   
-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
You will definitely need a 3rd party tool for this.
   
-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:53 AM
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Subject: Inserting Logo on Internet emails
   
   
   
Hello Everyone,
   
Is there a way or tool to insert company logo on all
   outbound internet
emails? (using the SMTP or Exchange Server)
   
(Exchange 2000 SP3 Enterprise, Windows 2000 Sp2)
   
Thanks
   
Raj
   
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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Martin Blackstone
I believe they have always recommended an Active/Active cluster.

Paul Roubicheux sais the E2K3 clusters awesomely. 

-Original Message-
From: Schneider, Bryan D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.
 
On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and the
rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to. 
 
You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a heartbeat.
We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we attributed to
the SAN. 
 
2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

-Original Message- 
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


- Original Message -
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
 In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more
hand
holding
 in a cluster.

 -Original Message-
 From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

 Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange
server.
 We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the
benefit.
 If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the
database
 corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

 I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
clustering
 because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any
links or
 whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?



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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Andy David
Active/Active Clusters however are limited to 1900 mapi connections (Sp2+) so for that 
reason and others, Active/Passive is generally recommended.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


I believe they have always recommended an Active/Active cluster.

Paul Roubicheux sais the E2K3 clusters awesomely. 

-Original Message-
From: Schneider, Bryan D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the server (not 
likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where you have to apply 
patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service packs, etc... You can 
failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much time as you need to work on the 
server without interrupting users or bouncing email.
 
On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and the rest 
using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one quad-Xeon 700Mhz 
without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange 2003 with Windows 2003 runs 
more efficiently so far in our tests. However, Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / 
PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to failover to. 
 
You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a heartbeat. We haven't 
had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we attributed to the SAN. 
 
2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

-Original Message- 
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


- Original Message -
From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
 In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
holding
 in a cluster.

 -Original Message-
 From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?

 Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
 We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the benefit.
 If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the database
 corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.

 I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
clustering
 because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
 whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?



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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Slinger, Gary
The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


- Original Message -
From: Schneider, Bryan D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.

 On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.

 You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.

 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

 -Original Message- 
 From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



 But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

 With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
 Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


  That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
  In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
 holding
  in a cluster.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: MSX dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:50 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Clustering... is it worth it?
 
  Upper management here is inquiring about clustering our exchange server.
  We already have our PRIV, PUB and DIR on a SAN.  I don't see the
benefit.
  If the server itself fails, I can rebuild it in an hour.  If the
database
  corrupts it would have taken the cluster down too.
 
  I have searched the internet but all I find are vendors praising
 clustering
  because they want to see you something.  Does anyone have any links or
  whitepapers are unbiased in their opinions?
 


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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread William Lefkovics
The PPT would be wrong then as 4+1+2  8
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


- Original Message -
From: Schneider, Bryan D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on 
 the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.

 On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook 
 and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.

 You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.

 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

 -Original Message-
 From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



 But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

 With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
 Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


  That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
  In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
 holding
  in a cluster.
 


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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread Slinger, Gary
OK, I'll try it another way - the presentation that I heard at Tech-Ed,
matched up against my notes, indicated that it was:

A) 4 x 4-way servers, active, plus
B) 1 x 4-way server, passive, plus
C) 2 x 2-way servers, passive, for backups, etc.

Equals 7.

I never claimed 8. I'm perfectly capable of basic math.  8, to my
recollection, notes, and thoughts of the PPT, is wrong.,

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The PPT would be wrong then as 4+1+2  8
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


- Original Message -
From: Schneider, Bryan D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on 
 the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.

 On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook 
 and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.

 You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.

 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

 -Original Message-
 From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



 But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

 With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
 Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


  That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
  In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
 holding
  in a cluster.
 


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RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

2003-06-27 Thread William Lefkovics
You are totally right.  Cochran's slides do say that.  My notes do not.

I am wrong.  I'm sorry, Gary.

7-node cluster per the slides.  4-1-2.  Not 5-1-2.
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

OK, I'll try it another way - the presentation that I heard at Tech-Ed,
matched up against my notes, indicated that it was:

A) 4 x 4-way servers, active, plus
B) 1 x 4-way server, passive, plus
C) 2 x 2-way servers, passive, for backups, etc.

Equals 7.

I never claimed 8. I'm perfectly capable of basic math.  8, to my
recollection, notes, and thoughts of the PPT, is wrong.,

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The PPT would be wrong then as 4+1+2  8
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slinger, Gary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?

The TechEd PPT was 4-1-2; other than that, concur. 

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?

Definitely Active/Passive.

The 8-node cluster I mentioned it 5-1 with 2 for snap back up to stream to
tape after.
This is per a TechEd presentation.

William


- Original Message -
From: Schneider, Bryan D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


 You have the benefit of quick recovery in event of hardware failure on 
 the
server (not likely typically). But, it is really nice for maintenance where
you have to apply patches, security updates, virus engine updates, service
packs, etc... You can failover in a matter of seconds and you have as much
time as you need to work on the server without interrupting users or
bouncing email.

 On an active/active cluster we host 16,000 users, 2500 using Outlook 
 and
the rest using OWA 2000. We can have both virtual machines running on one
quad-Xeon 700Mhz without users noticing much of a slowdown at all. Exchange
2003 with Windows 2003 runs more efficiently so far in our tests. However,
Microsoft is now recommending ACTIVE / PASSIVE so you have a fresh server to
failover to.

 You already have a key component - SAN - so I would cluster in a
heartbeat. We haven't had any issues - except for a corrupted db which we
attributed to the SAN.

 2003 promisses to make clustering better, but we haven't tested that yet.

 -Original Message-
 From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 7:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it?



 But do consider revisiting this with 2003.

 With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now.
 Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course.


 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM
 Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it?


  That's pretty much the argument against clustering.
  In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand
 holding
  in a cluster.
 


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