RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
I think it was the M: drive question which lit the touchpaper. You need to be familiar with the Exchange 2000 FAQ (its not very long) and the Appendix C *is* the M: drive. Keep at it. In a few years time you'll be helping everyone else (or getting cross with them for not knowing things that should be obvious grin). -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2003 14:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thank you so much. I was getting discouraged. I really do try to do the leg work before asking and I don't blame this list for asking me to at least do that. Thanks for your kind words. I apologize to anyone I might have offended. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Samantha, This seems to happen all the time. It happened to me when I first started learning exchange. What I've gotten out of it, is don't let one negative response stop you from still posting on this list. You are absolutely right, this list is to be used as a question/answer type of list. Or be pointed in the right direction. I think what Tony was trying to say was that instead of just asking the question, maybe trying to research it first? Maybe you are. Who knows we aren't sitting right next to you when you post. But sometimes it may appear like you're just looking for people to do your leg work for you. Maybe if you post what you've done so far before you post might give people on here a better understanding that you're trying to do the legwork but aren't finding any answers. But DO NOT get turned off by one response on this list. Keep posting. Just make sure you try to include what you've done so far when asking questions. Just trying to help you out. Because I know how it was when I was first trying to learn exchange. _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Thanks Tony for your advice. Why do you care what I ask on this listserv? I thought this list was for questions. Maybe the questions asked by people in this list seem stupid to you, but they are not. Who made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and which ones are not? If you are too good for the questions being asked on this list then don't answer. I don't know if all you do all day is work on an Exchange servers but I wear many hats here in the name of special education children and I don't have time during or after work everyday/and every minute to read books on Exchange server. I have picked up a few good books in the past few weeks and they are helpful and hopefully I won't have to bother this list.I wish for nothing more. But until I become a pro like yourself, I will look to people like yourself who know this stuff backwards and forwards to give some direction. I take great offense to your undeserved comments and wish that you could remember the days when you were learning. I was given this project and am doing the best I can. This list is for getting help, not a social event for buddies. It is a shame that you are not more patient. Thanks and I have appreciated your help in the past. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server You really really need to get trained on Exchange or start reading books on it as oppossed to asking this list for every thing you do. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400 Why is it there though? Will services run without it? Why would M:icrosoft put that there? Thanks Sam -Original Message- From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server Are you being funny? There is definitely a M: drive! What is that He's saying IGNORE the M: drive. Don't use it for anything. Don't virus scan it! Don't back it up! -kevin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for
RE: Upgrading thoughts from the been there done that crowd
If you need to co-exist with some users on 5.5 and some on 2003 then the ADC keeps the Exchange 5.5 directory and your new Active Directory synchronised and ensures that you can route mail between the two. If you can migrate in a single hit then you don't need it. -Original Message- From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 12:30 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Upgrading thoughts from the been there done that crowd I have been reading up on the AD connector for exchange and what I need to do etc. However I was wondering if I really need it at all. We are doing a new AD design and trusting back to our 4.0 domain then using the ADMIT tool to migrate users/computers and passwords over to the new domain structure (going from two to one). My thinking today has jumped over to the why do I even need to worry about the connector and upgrading exchange since part of this entire conversion is new exchange hardware anyway. We are going to wait until this fall and go right to Ex2K3 from 5.5 and skip over Ex2K. So here is my thinking, if I leave the old server alone, running on 4.0 in the old domain, then when 2K3 is released and I get the software build a new server in the AD on Win2K3. Wouldn't I be able to join that to the 5.5 organization and move the users over to the new server. Decommission the old server and remove the 4.0 infrastructure? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ForestPrep/Domainprep Question - Please help
Did you carefully follow all steps in Q273478 - XADM: How to Completely Remove Exchange 2000 from Active Directory? -Original Message- From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 13:13 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: ForestPrep/Domainprep Question - Please help Yes. When I ran the /removeorg, it said: Setup cannot update your current installation, because there is no Microsoft Exchange server installed. Even though it said that, I tried to re-run the ForestPrep and still didn't get the option to join an existing 5.5. What am I doing wrong? Please help if you can. Thanks Samantha -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: ForestPrep/Domainprep Question - Please help Did you follow Mr. Webb's advice from yesterday and run update.exe /removeorg from the Exch SP3 media? - Original Message - From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: ForestPrep/Domainprep Question - Please help I need to re-install ForestPrep. I chose the wrong option during the setup and need to re-run to accept the correct setting. When I tried re-installing it, it just went through the setup and didn't give me the option to Create a new organization or join an existing 5.5. Know of a way to uninstall ForestPrep? Or have any other ideas? Thanks Samantha _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook Upgrade to XP Pro
Talk nicely to Dell. They may be able to convert them to a volume licensing agreement for you and issue you a corporate license number. Else your into reactivating every time you change more than two hardware items at the same time (or is it three), or rebuilding a machine. Not nice. -Original Message- From: Bill Kuhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2003 13:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Outlook Upgrade to XP Pro We received new Dell pc's with the software pre-loaded. From your comment I assume that there is a method from loading from a server and bypass activation. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Outlook Upgrade to XP Pro Why will you be activating the software? Are these all retail copies? - Original Message - From: Bill Kuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Outlook Upgrade to XP Pro We are looking at upgrading from Outlook 98 to Outlook 2002 as well as the rest of the Office programs from the 97 versions. I have a couple of concerns: After you activate the software, what procedure do you go through when a hard drive dies? Also, does the Save My Settings Wizard work with Outlook 2002 as well? Thanks, Bill Kuhl _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Change Roles before AD migration
Since you can't change the role of an NT4 server from DC to member server, if you really want to do this you will need to upgrade the OS to W2K, then run DCPROMO to demote it to a member server. However I agree with Ed's comments. It would seem a lot easier to me to build a new Exchange 5.5 server on a W2K platform and move the users onto it if you don't want the Exchange 5.5 server to be a DC. Even better, leave it where it is, implement AD leaving the Exchange 5.5 server as an NT4 BDC, add Exchange 2000 on a new server, move the mailboxes across, switch off the old 5.5 server. -Original Message- From: Bravo, Liliana (CIP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 July 2003 21:15 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Change Roles before AD migration Hi folks, We are planning to migrate AD . Before that we want to do the following: Currently we have an NT Domain (1 PDC and 2 BDC) and my exchange Server 5.5 is on BDC (named cipx2). I want to move my Exchange on another server with the same name( cipx2) , however as member server. Do you know if after I moved my exchange on a member server with the same name of my old BDC we could have any problem with the change role? Do you know about any link about this process? TIA Liliana _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange migration
There is so much documentation available that I'm surprised that you haven't found it. Start at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/exchange2000/deploy/de fault.asp -Original Message- From: Elmerick, Ralph H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 July 2003 10:28 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange migration What are the actual steps to first install E2K. Should the ADC be installed first and then the ForestPrep done to expand the schema or the other way around. Also is there any documents available: Technet etc. which documents in great detail a migration from 5.5 to E2K using an existing Exchange 5.5 organization. Thanks. Ralph H. Elmerick NT/Exchange Administrator 330-471-3409 -Original Message- From: Mark Condron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2k log reporting All, I would be interested on feedback on what you all use to monitor and report on Exchange 2000 e-mail usage. I was using Melia for 5.5 but when we upgraded the Exchange 2000 version was not ready. I am currently testing Promodag so I would be grateful of any experience of this package but also any other packages that you guys recommend. I need to monitor 2 exchange servers in separate administrative groups and would like to be able to report on a team by team basis, and also report on public folders TIA -Mark Mark Condron ICT Manager Tel: 029 2043 1740 Fax: 029 2043 1701 Minicom:029 2043 1702 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wcva.org.uk www.volunteering-wales.net Wales Council for Voluntary Action (WCVA) Registered Charity: 21809 Company Limited by Guarantee: 425299 Registered in Wales -- -- CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the recipient(s) only. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and destroy the material whether stored on a computer or otherwise. -- DISCLAIMER: Any views or opinions presented within this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Wales Council for Voluntary Action, unless otherwise specipically stated. -- Wales Council for Voluntary Action, Baltic House, Mount Stuart Square, Cardiff , UK, CF10 5FH Registered Charity: 21809 Company Limited by Guarantee: 425299 Registered in Wales Reception (Head Office): 029 2043 1700 Help Desk: 0870 607 1666 Fax: 029 2043 1701 Minicom: 029 2043 1702 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.wcva.org.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Recipient update service
Network? Antivirus software? Name resolution? Build a clean W2K machine with just Outlook installed and see what happens. -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 14:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recipient update service Actually, the trouble began when I applied the hotfixes listed below. Upon further conversation, I removed these hot fixes. And now, the problems I am seeing are: When outlook is launched, AFTER it looks like it is ready to go, (You can see your folders and email etc.) it freezes for approx 60 seconds and then seems to work fine. This occurs on ALL workstations. But oddly enough, Web Outlook works just fine. Some users, when they create a new email, or reply to an email, will experience a wait of up to a minute before the message is actually sent. The message will stay on their screen and basically lock up outlook until it sends. Obviously, this is very frustration, and I am not sure what to do next... Any help would be appreciated -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- - - --- Title: Buffer Overrun In HTML Converter Could Allow Code Execution (823559) Date: 09 July 2003 Software: Microsoft(r) Windows (r) 98 Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition Microsoft Windows Me Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Terminal Services Edition Microsoft Windows 2000 Microsoft Windows XP Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Impact: Allow an attacker to execute code of their choice Max Risk: Critical Bulletin: MS03-023 Microsoft encourages customers to review the Security Bulletins at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-023.asp http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulletins/ms03-023.asp - - --- - - - --- Title: Flaw in Windows Message Handling through Utility Manager Could Enable Privilege Elevation (822679) Date: 09 July 2003 Software: Microsoft(r) Windows (r) 2000 Impact: Privilege Elevation Max Risk: Important Bulletin: MS03-025 Microsoft encourages customers to review the Security Bulletins at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-025.asp http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulletins/ms03-025.asp - - - --- Title: Buffer Overrun in Windows Could Lead to Data Corruption (817606) Date: 09 July 2003 Software: - Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 - Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition - Microsoft Windows 2000 - Windows XP Professional Impact: Allow an attacker to execute code of their choice Max Risk: Important Bulletin: MS03-024 Microsoft encourages customers to review the Security Bulletins at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03- 024.asp http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulletins/ms03-024.asp - - - John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recipient update service Then it isn't a flat-file backup any more. As soon as you use the agent for Exchange, it is a Full Online backup. A Flat-file backup would be considered an Offline backup when nothing is being written to the databases (thus the files are not open and are flat). Sounds like it is working fine for you. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:17 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Recipient update service Subject: RE: Recipient update service The Retrospect Exchange Agent does not require that. It is made to do online backups John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Digital Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recipient update service You must stop all your Exchange services every
RE: Internet Email
I guess that you are using Outlook to connect to Exchange. What client are you using for Internet email? -Original Message- From: Rob Talkington III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 13:19 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Internet Email This is the first time I've posted here and I couldn't find a search function. I use Exchange 5.5 SP4 and Outlook 2000 clients. We have our email hosted by a third party but use Exchange locally. We do not have IMS running on Exchange but have been able to send and receive internet email for years. Monday I came in and for some reason no one can send internet email anymore. Receiving it is fine but sending it generates a Non Delivery Report immediately after clicking on Send. I did not change anything on Exchange the weekend prior. I have searched many discussions and cannot find an answer that pertains to our problem. Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thanks! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: attachement overload
SIS=single instance storage, that is your 5mb file sent to 5 users on the SAME server will only consume 5mb. Everyone gets a pointer to the same message in the store. -Original Message- From: Ward, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 15:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: attachement overload Doesn't work like that...SIS Stu -Original Message- From: Tigue Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: attachement overload Running Exchange 5.5. We have a situation in our company where people need to mail files to each other on a regular basis. We have mailboxes in excess of 500mb. IS there any way to manage attachements better. We do not want to tell people not to use them. We do not want to block them. If one user sends a 5mb file to 5 users this will take 30 mb of space on the exchange server (5X5+5 for the sender in sent items). This is an AWFULL lot of redundancy in the database. IS there any way to manage this better? We tried public folders but this just moves the files from one database to another in Exchange 5.5. TIA __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments may be legally privileged and confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and permanently delete the e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of the contents to any other person. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP
As does mimesweeper. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2003 14:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP Products such as Tumbleweed and Antigen however will allow the administrator to quarantine zip files that are password-protected. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hurst, Paul Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP Bill, This will only stop the basic user (minesweeper for example will open multiple level zip file to scan or/and block certain attachments) because if you password protect the zipno can do and in it comes (assuming zips are allowed in). Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 June 2003 16:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Rec on Blocking Files types contain in ZIP I need something that can block specified file types contained in ZIP files.. i.e. if a say EXE...etc.. has been ZIP into a file attachment on an e-mail I need to block it.. Alas...my Trend suite does NOT! (disappointingvery!) rec's from anyone??? please FYI: presently exch55sp4. But I prefer a gateway type thingy..but on the box would do also. yes I requested Trend to add the feature..but no guarantees they will...sigh...bummer... thanks! bill _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (05) ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Clustering... is it worth it?
What client configurations are you thinking of supporting? We have a centralized architecture but line speeds are not fast enough to support online access - a word doc can take over a minute to stream down to some locations. Thus we have configured Outlook in offline mode, but this makes the use of public folders very painful since if the public folders are large and marked as available offline the ost file gets very large and is more likely to break. Can't see a good way around this apart from using Notes, which seems to cope with a centralized architecture and disconnected users much better :( . Anyone got any good ideas other than Exchange 2003? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2003 04:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it? (Can't resist - it's a 4-node cluster, with a passive same-scale server as part of the mix g). Which is 4,000 per node... Sounding reasonable to me so far... Oh, and if anyone's wondering if it's real world or Microsoft/HP playing - yes, I'm seriously considering (and have the budget to back it up) using it as a deployment model for my environment (no, I don't have 16,000+ users, but the concept remains the same). -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it? As you've read... No, I can't count. 16,000 users on a 7-node cluster, which is really a 5-node cluster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 6:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it? only 16,000 users? on an 8-node cluster? -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Clustering... is it worth it? But do consider revisiting this with 2003. With Microsoft running 16,000 users on an 8-node cluster now. Windows2003 and Exchange2003 of course. - Original Message - From: Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: RE: Clustering... is it worth it? That's pretty much the argument against clustering. In fact, many folks will tell you that Exchange needs much more hand holding in a cluster. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus?
The \0x1b character must be the 16th character in the domain preload line. I may be counting incorrectly but is there an extra space in the example file? -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 July 2003 14:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? Here are a few more things to check. Make sure that the LDAP port is listening on port 389. You can check this by going to the congiuration contain, protocols and checking out the propities on the LDAP. Or you could use an LDAP browser to try and connect to it. Also, insert an LMHOST file in to \winnt\system32\drivers\etc on the server you are configuring Use my sample below and change accordingly 192.168.1.1 mbexch1 #PRE #DOM:YOURDOMAIN 1234567890123456789 192.168.1.1 YOURDOMAIN \0x1b #PRE 192.168.1.2 mbexch2 #PRE #DOM:YOURDOMAIN 192.168.1.3 mbexch3 #PRE #DOM:YOURDOMAIN Now do a nbtstat -R to purge and reload the netbios cache. Let us know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: 01 July 2003 11:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? Cant check the switch as the engineer who looks after that side isnt around this week (politics!!!) we havent experienced any other connectivity issues though There was a spare slot in one of the racks, so I took this compaq desktop down there, plugged it into the same switch as the other two servers, but same problem Have also tried installing exchange 5.5 onto a windows 2000 server, with exactly the same result At a total loss with this.any further advice? Regards, Mr. Niki Blowfield NT Administrator Extension 482 Martin-Baker Aircraft Company Ltd. Lower Road Higher Denham near Uxbridge Middlesex UB9 5AJ England Tel : 01895 836 760 Fax : 01895 832 587 -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 July 2003 09:15 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? What switch is it you are using? Have you logged on to it to make sure you are not getting errors etc I know that some Cisco switches (if not configured correctly) can cause problems when the nic on the server is forced to full-duplex. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: 01 July 2003 09:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? I was thinking of doing something similar Unfortunately, the 2 existing servers are rack mounted. This 3rd 'server' is merely a Compaq desktop, and for evaluating a fax solution, and so its not really possible to them all together on one hub I suppose I could take the desktop down to the computer room and plug into the same switch as the two exchange servers Regards, Mr. Niki Blowfield NT Administrator Extension 482 Martin-Baker Aircraft Company Ltd. Lower Road Higher Denham near Uxbridge Middlesex UB9 5AJ England Tel : 01895 836 760 Fax : 01895 832 587 -Original Message- From: knighTslayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 July 2003 09:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? I've come across this before and for me it was a faulty switch on my LAN. Is there any chance you could but the machines on to a hub and try it? It may be a shot in the dark...but worth a stab. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: 01 July 2003 08:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? Hi Thanks for the responses Any of these servers multi-homed? No, but the 2 existing servers that are already in the Exchange Site have 2 network adapters and the Compaq teaming drivers installed Also, I know you say DNS is working, but try putting all the respective entries in all the server's hosts files. Tried putting all three servers (2 existing and 1 new) into each others lmhosts and hosts, imported lmhosts, rebooted, problem persists Verify that you can resolve the hostname properly through both WINS and DNS. Are you referring to any other means other than pinging the netbios then the full hostname? Thanks for any further advice Regards, Mr. Niki Blowfield NT Administrator Extension 482 Martin-Baker Aircraft Company Ltd. Lower Road Higher Denham near Uxbridge Middlesex UB9 5AJ England Tel : 01895 836 760 Fax : 01895 832 587 -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2003 16:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Cannot Join Existing Site - Exch5.5 - RPCPing gurus? Any of these servers multi-homed? Also, I know you say DNS is working, but try putting all
RE: Exchange 2000 Domino R5
Notes Connector. It's easy, robust, does dirsync, and will simplify your migration unless you were going for a big bang. We route SMTP into Exchange and then Exchange moves it into Notes if the target address is a Notes recipient. Works well and I can see some parts of the organisation being on Notes for ever. Paid for it, happy with it, supports lots of their business processes. -Original Message- From: Ronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 21:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 Domino R5 All I bringing up a new Exchange 2k server to replace my Notes server but am having a issue with my boss. He wants to keep both systems alive and running together with the same email addresses ands same domain name. He wants to just migrate a few people at a time into the new exchange server, while the others stay on Notes until it is time for their move. I am not sure how to approach this?? I know that I can't use the same MX record that we have for the notes server because it will not know what server to go to. We have a domain name of mile-high.com and email addresses are [EMAIL PROTECTED], he wants to keep the same addressing for the email. I am able to send to the outside world with the new exchange account but can't receive from the outside. Can anyone point me in the right direction ?? I know I could use a notes connector but seems like alot of wasted time when the server is going to go away. Any Ideas are appreciated. Thanks In Advance Ronk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Monitor Email content
Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Monitor Email content
Sure does but I'd rather have someone elses butt on the line than mine, especially if 'm doing it for them anyway. I'm intrigued - where is phone tapping legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 12:39 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. Depends on jurisdiction. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:10 To: Exchange Discussions Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Monitor Email content
Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: Monitor Email content
I'm not confusing my opinion with established law. Give me an example of anywhere in the world where the scenario I outlined below would be legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. Don't confuse your opinion with established law. This is a whole mess of it depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:46 To: Exchange Discussions Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors
RE: Monitor Email content
Which is exactly where a defined policy comes into play. To be able to read someone else's email the company must have an agreed policy in place whether or not the end user knows about it. That's the only way you can tell whether you are being asked to do something which you should do without contravening your terms of employment. -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Florida if you want a US location; England if you prefer the other side of the pond - DEPENDING on the chain-of-command structure for the given company. And a few other things. It depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:55 To: Exchange Discussions I'm not confusing my opinion with established law. Give me an example of anywhere in the world where the scenario I outlined below would be legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. Don't confuse your opinion with established law. This is a whole mess of it depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:46 To: Exchange Discussions Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang
RE: Monitor Email content
LOL. I nearly became a lawyer in my younger days and I just miss it. Now let's see - how's that restore coming along? -Original Message- From: Henderson Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 16:11 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content yawn -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 17:11 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Which is exactly where a defined policy comes into play. To be able to read someone else's email the company must have an agreed policy in place whether or not the end user knows about it. That's the only way you can tell whether you are being asked to do something which you should do without contravening your terms of employment. -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Florida if you want a US location; England if you prefer the other side of the pond - DEPENDING on the chain-of-command structure for the given company. And a few other things. It depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:55 To: Exchange Discussions I'm not confusing my opinion with established law. Give me an example of anywhere in the world where the scenario I outlined below would be legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. Don't confuse your opinion with established law. This is a whole mess of it depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:46 To: Exchange Discussions Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Monitor Email content
I've just spent the last couple of months doing this so I guess it's all still buzzing round. Apologies. We also elected for minimum HR and line manager approval. -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 16:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Which happens to be broadly similar to our policy here; coincidentally, I'm rewriting the operating procedure for this today anyway, and we're going to require the signoff of a local HR representative, and a line manager. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:00 To: Exchange Discussions First off, anyone who lets a manager dictate reading emails is a fool. This type of stuff has to come from the top down. As an example here, any email monitoring has to be approved by the CEO, who in turn passes it on to HR, then to me. At that point I do the configuration and then let whoever needs it, at it. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content I'm not confusing my opinion with established law. Give me an example of anywhere in the world where the scenario I outlined below would be legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. Don't confuse your opinion with established law. This is a whole mess of it depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:46 To: Exchange Discussions Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter
RE: Monitor Email content
Ha. Now I can see where you got it depends from! The assumption we accepted was that the line manager should know what her subordinates were doing and the HR person would ensure that it was business related. The initial request was from business manager to HR and needed sanction was required from senior person with work delegated to junior HR. If it was of a personnal nature as opposed to business related then senior HRs would be investigating with higher level managers approval. Exchange admin just there to ensure process was followed before providing access in controlled and auditable manner. If collusion was suspected I guess there would be sufficient evidence both electronic and paper to back track. Didn't write that in though. I'll put a little note aside for next time. Richard - wake up. It's time to go home. -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 16:23 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Mmm. One of the potentials that I worked us around was avoiding a local manager and a local HR person working together to bypass the procedure. Excessively paranoid, perhaps, but hey - that's what I'm paid for. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:19 To: Exchange Discussions I've just spent the last couple of months doing this so I guess it's all still buzzing round. Apologies. We also elected for minimum HR and line manager approval. -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 16:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Which happens to be broadly similar to our policy here; coincidentally, I'm rewriting the operating procedure for this today anyway, and we're going to require the signoff of a local HR representative, and a line manager. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:00 To: Exchange Discussions First off, anyone who lets a manager dictate reading emails is a fool. This type of stuff has to come from the top down. As an example here, any email monitoring has to be approved by the CEO, who in turn passes it on to HR, then to me. At that point I do the configuration and then let whoever needs it, at it. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content I'm not confusing my opinion with established law. Give me an example of anywhere in the world where the scenario I outlined below would be legal? -Original Message- From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:51 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Monitor Email content The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. Don't confuse your opinion with established law. This is a whole mess of it depends. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:46 To: Exchange Discussions Wow. So if a manager comes to me (Exchange admin) coz she dating a bloke in the typing pool and suspects he's two timing her and asks if she can read all his mail then it's ok for me to let her? Can I read his emails at the same time? What's my defence when he files a claim against me for emotional trauma when both his girl friends dump him? I just don't want to go there. The emails might be the companies property but who is allowed to read them is a different thing altogether. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 June 2003 15:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Monitor Email content not in the US . . . courts ruled a while ago that email is company property. A policy is good if you want to be *nice* but it is not required to read employee email . . . - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: RE: Monitor Email content Before you start looking at your users mail ensure that you have an email policy defined and that all your companies employees know what it is. Otherwise, you personally can be held responsible for invading someones privacy. Like with tapping phones you have to have reasonable grounds to do this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: Terry Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 22:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Monitor Email content I have been tasked with reviewing the content of employee email. What is the best method? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Brick level backups
No way of checking whether recipient has clicked link. Problem if user is off line. From a legal perspective if you do this you have to add text saying that it you don't click the link to see what it says, then you shouldn't have read the message, which is as much a problem as the disclaimer in the first place. -Original Message- From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 22:31 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups Why not put a link as the disclaimer? E.g.: signature Steve Molkentin BSES Phone, fax,etc http://www.bses.org.au/legal.html (there is no link here, just an example) /signature I just thought this might save 50 lines of crap in an e-mail... The person has been made aware of the legality of the document through the link... What do you think? Pointless? Saves rubbish in e-mails! ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 11:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's ok some company will make a 3rd party app I am sure, that will force you to read or click ok before you actually get to see the email. Hopefully that won't happen. Probably has just haven't seen it yet. From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:46 +0100 1: Nobody ever reads them 2: Nobody ever reads them 3: People read the message, and forget to read the disclaimer 4: go to 1 Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups You have one like this for disclaimers. I know the basics why not. I would like to see your reasons of why disclaimers are bad. From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:19:25 -0700 I probably should reread this, but thwas my answer to this question A year ago - plus an added point. Why not to do Brick Level Backups: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed
RE: Access Exchange 2000 from an external domain
Try it. That way you'll know whether it works or not in your environment. -Original Message- From: Pham, Tuan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 June 2003 12:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Access Exchange 2000 from an external domain Good morning all ! I have a situation that I need an answer, we have a dept. currently using Novell and they don't have any email system, they want to use our Exchange 2000 and house all their mailboxes(they don't want to use POP3 or IMAP). Can I create the AD accounts and mailboxes for them, and in OL2K under Microsoft Exchange Server - Advanced properties and set 'Logon network security' to 'None', so when they lauch OL2K it will prompt them for their credential? Does this work at all in W2K/E2K enviroment? I know in NT/Ex55 does. Thanks! TP _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers About a billion people on this planet speak Chinese ... going to included that as well ? I like the fact you are going to add Dutch to the disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch population speaks and understands English very well. ** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with Exchange 2003 ** -- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange 2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Original Message - From: Midgley, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might not be online when they read the message. We thought of using Latin since most of the legal team know that. Esperanto is a bit too leading edge. -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers *Has* anyone tested email disclaimers in the courts in the UK, EU or US? I'm not aware of any cases. I do find it ironic that lawyers, who knowingly write in a way that most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the disclaimer should be written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's all Greek to me. Or double-Dutch. Perhaps your disclaimer could consist of Legal disclaimer - you must read this in every relevant language, each linked to a web page which contains the text in that language. Or write it in Esperanto. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company
RE: Brick level backups
That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's ok some company will make a 3rd party app I am sure, that will force you to read or click ok before you actually get to see the email. Hopefully that won't happen. Probably has just haven't seen it yet. From: Randal, Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:46 +0100 1: Nobody ever reads them 2: Nobody ever reads them 3: People read the message, and forget to read the disclaimer 4: go to 1 Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups You have one like this for disclaimers. I know the basics why not. I would like to see your reasons of why disclaimers are bad. From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Brick level backups Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:19:25 -0700 I probably should reread this, but thwas my answer to this question A year ago - plus an added point. Why not to do Brick Level Backups: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all that tape and time, the convenience of having someone restore my mailbox is so simple I can be more careless with my email. I can always get my info restored. The Potential for user complacency because we can always restore uses Valuable IT time and resources. 9) Yes, it's true. For me, I have only done this using ArcServeIT. Because of comments here in this and other forums, CA took the Exchange agent back to the lab and did some more fixing on it. For me it was too little too late. Basically, BLB's are not perfect. Data is not perfectly recreated through the restore process. Problems included header info missing, digitally signed emails corrupt, attachments missing. 10) Many, many more reputable
RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might not be online when they read the message. We thought of using Latin since most of the legal team know that. Esperanto is a bit too leading edge. -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers *Has* anyone tested email disclaimers in the courts in the UK, EU or US? I'm not aware of any cases. I do find it ironic that lawyers, who knowingly write in a way that most people do not find clear, should be concerned that the disclaimer should be written so as to be understood by any recipient. It's all Greek to me. Or double-Dutch. Perhaps your disclaimer could consist of Legal disclaimer - you must read this in every relevant language, each linked to a web page which contains the text in that language. Or write it in Esperanto. -Original Message- From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Brick level backups That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages written in various different European languages (we route all our Internet mail through a single SMTP gateway in the UK). The legal team are pushing to add disclaimers in each language. Just because no-one ever reads disclaimers doesn't mean that they are not legally applicable - when was the last time you read the MS license agreement when installing software? And just because I select the other radio button and click OK doesn't mean that I have read the labels attached to those actions either. I would be interested in Williams disclaimer list if he would be happy to publish. Also, does anyone know of a disclaimer adder that is language aware? Otherwise I'm going to have to do some funny tricks with SMTP connectors and routing inside the company. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ADC issue
Q270480 and Q256862. -Original Message- From: Jon Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 July 2002 17:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: ADC issue One of my VIP users has two 5.5 mailboxes--the primary one that everyone sends mail to and a private one for who knows what. The private mailbox' name is fname minitial lname (Jane E. Smith), while her public mailbox is simply fname lname (Jane Smith). We recently installed AD, E2K and ADC. No errors were reported when ADC did its initial replication, though of course lots of new mailboxes were created. Here's the catch--her NT4 userid's display name (and hence her AD userid's display name) matches the secondary mailbox name, which is apparently why ADC connected that secondary mailbox to her primary AD account and created a new disabled account for her primary mailbox. We didn't notice it until this past weekend, when I wrote a script listing all the mailboxes and their userids. How can I exchange the two mailboxes? What I want to do is reassign the primary mailbox to her primary AD account and the secondary mailbox to the disabled AD account, and then change the two accounts' display names to reflect the mailbox swap. Though we've begun our firmwide migration to E2K, both mailboxes are still on the 5.5 server. E5.5: 5.5 SP4 on NT4 SP6a E2K: E2K SP2 on W2K AS SP2 ADC is installed on a DC running W2K SP2 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Confidentiality Notice Disclaimer *** This message, together with any attachments, is for the confidential and exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you receive it in error, please delete the message and its attachments from your system immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Do not disclose, copy, circulate or use any information contained in this e-mail. (1) The content of this e-mail is to be read subject to Lunn Poly terms of business, as applicable. (2) E-mail may be intercepted or affected by viruses and Lunn Poly accepts no responsibility for any interception or liability for any form of viruses introduced with this e-mail. (3) The sender shall remain solely accountable for any statements, representations or opinions that are clearly his or her own and not made in the course of employment. *** Lunn Poly Limited [Registered in England (Number 638309)] Lunn Poly House Clarendon Avenue Leamington Spa Warwickshire CV32 5PS Telephone: 01926 452245 Facsimile: 01926 451679 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A list of Thomson Travel Group companies is available for inspection at www.thomsontravelgroup.com] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
Would suggest that OWA on 2K isn't a big enough driver for you to rush your AD implementation. Anything wrong with OWA on your existing 5.5 architecture? Give you a bit of breathing space to get AD built and operational. -Original Message- From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 June 2002 16:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA Deep breath: If I want to get 100 people (currently in an nt4 domain/XCH 5.5 SP4) asap on xch2k OWA will this work: Install 1 backend exch2k server in my 5.5 site Install 1 frontend exch2k server in my 5.5 site (or just consolidate these onto 1 server and punch port 80/443 through firewall?) Install 2 AD domain controllers (split roles) for accounts (We have AD plan written, so we would start enough of this to get us going) Make 2 way trust between nt4 domain and ad Migrate users mailboxes to exch2k server (ADMT or Quest tool) Users with mailboxes on exch2k server either have to log into ad or log into nt4 and authenticate every time they use Outlook Thank you for any opinions or suggestions! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Confidentiality Notice Disclaimer *** This message, together with any attachments, is for the confidential and exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you receive it in error, please delete the message and its attachments from your system immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Do not disclose, copy, circulate or use any information contained in this e-mail. (1) The content of this e-mail is to be read subject to Lunn Poly terms of business, as applicable. (2) E-mail may be intercepted or affected by viruses and Lunn Poly accepts no responsibility for any interception or liability for any form of viruses introduced with this e-mail. (3) The sender shall remain solely accountable for any statements, representations or opinions that are clearly his or her own and not made in the course of employment. *** Lunn Poly Limited [Registered in England (Number 638309)] Lunn Poly House Clarendon Avenue Leamington Spa Warwickshire CV32 5PS Telephone: 01926 452245 Facsimile: 01926 451679 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A list of Thomson Travel Group companies is available for inspection at www.thomsontravelgroup.com] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
