RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN MORE SPAM

[Steve Hanna]

You don't understand the definition of "spam" 
so I suggest that you may also STFU.

--steve




> -Original Message-
> From: Troels Majlandt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:16 PM
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> Subject: SV: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics AGAIN 
> MORE SPAM
> 
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> AGAIN MORE SPAM 
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> 
> John, you post some intelligent stuff I have to say. Yes, 
> there is an order of magnitude argument to be had in all of 
> this and you argue it well. I base my position on a couple of 
> premises, but the main argument
> is:
> 
> Titles are absolutely priceless and have the potential to be 
> much, much more corrupting than any monetary gift. For proof, 
> I will simply point to this entire discussion now 8 years 
> old. At the mere mention that there
> *might* be a conflict of interest problem with the MVP title, 
> which is what I posted 8 years ago, it has generated 
> thousands upon thousands of hateful emails, dragged on over 8 
> YEARS and people STILL cannot let it go.
> That, in and of itself, proves how corrupting an influence it 
> is. People are SO covetous of it that they cannot abide even 
> the mere SUGGESTION that there might be an ethical conflict.
> 
> > Very true.
> > 
> > But surely the greater motivational force in these cases 
> would be "If 
> > they don't go for product X in which I am an expert they 
> will not employ me."
> > rather than "If they don't go for product X in which I am 
> an MVP then 
> > there will be a slightly smaller online user community for 
> me to help 
> > and so my chances of retaining my MVP status will be diminished."
> > 
> > There is a much more powerful conflict of interests at work 
> with any 
> > paid consultancy than the MVP programme could ever produce. 
>  If I had 
> > a million dollars (cue Barenakedladies tunes lodged in 
> heads) to spend 
> > on upgrading my mail system to Exchange 2003 but was 
> worried it would 
> > be a more troublesome process than it appears and so had decided to 
> > hire Ed as a consultant to advise me on whether or not to proceed 
> > would it be the MVP award, even if it meant a lot to him, or the 
> > chance of getting his hands on (part of) the million dollars that I 
> > should be concerned might make him recommend the upgrade 
> even if it was not in my interests?
> > 
> > The MVP is orders of magnitude smaller than the greats vats of cash 
> > sloshing round this industry and is trivial in comparison 
> as are any 
> > conflicts of interest it might otherwise be able to produce.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 22 December 2003 18:58
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> > 
> > 
> > The second scenario still presents the potential for a conflict of 
> > interest. If you are accepting gifts from vendors then you 
> may not be 
> > forthcoming with all information about problems or issues with the 
> > system that might cause the client to choose NOT to 
> migrate, hold off 
> > on migration, etc. Still the potential for conflict of interest.
> > 
> > 
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Flame Warriors

[Steve Hanna]

Given our current message volume.
I'm sure we all remember these... 

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

--steve
PS: Dude, STFU.




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RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics

[Steve Hanna]

Dude,  STFU.

> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> 
> 
> First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the 
> phrase "I finish
> them (fights)" offensive but not someone being called a 
> "liar", "stupid",
> "idiot", "wife beater". You simply have zaro credibility.
> 
> Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential
> customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of
> interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting 
> with a vendor
> to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to 
> accepting a
> title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to 
> even debating
> this with you because you are never going to see it because 
> you are going
> to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just 
> like everyone
> else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't 
> have to like it
> and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when 
> I do, it is
> for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out.
> 
> Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that 
> I claim to be
> the "all ethical" sort. And to my knowledge, I have no 
> "ethics test" that
> I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and 
> exposes your
> bias. I am not, nor ever will be "all ethical" and "holier 
> than thou". I
> have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have
> never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all.
> Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft
> "partner". In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered
> unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, 
> there is a clear,
> bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention 
> and accepting a
> pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking
> about, but you are never going to see it because you will 
> never admit to
> the obvious and just want to pick a fight.
> 
> And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, 
> in my youth,
> I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular
> occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess
> what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG.
> 
> So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been 
> "offended" in
> any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff 
> said that you
> have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about 
> the DISTINCT
> difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that
> vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs 
> you money,
> the other doesn't.
> 
> > I am not "quibbling" with what you said, I'm instead taking 
> offense at
> > what you said.  You see, you can't claim to be the "all 
> ethical" sort
> > you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your 
> own making.  I
> > didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR
> > company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near 
> and dear.
> > 
> > How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one 
> point, and then
> > make irrelevant statements about people calling you names.
> > 
> > Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and
> > re-read the whole message.  It's not that I consider you a 
> liar, or that
> > you are stupid.  I now consider you incapable of having any type of
> > intelligent discussion based on the fact that you choose to ignore
> > 2/3rds of what was posted, or should I just assume that you 
> chose not to
> > discuss those points because you couldn't keep your "I have 
> my Ethics"
> > argument and all this would be moot?
> > 
> > Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single
> > contains the word "MOOT"?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Sadler
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:50 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> > 
> > 
> > So you are going to quibble with things that "I" said? You 
> people are so
> > whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where 
> were you when
> > I was called a "liar" or a "wife beater" or "stupid" or 
> "idiot" or that
> > I "starve children". All of that is OK in your whacky 
> bizarro world, but
> > explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in email 
> for Christ's
> > sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! 
> How could you
> > SAY such a thing. Never mind the "liar", "stupid", "idiot" 
> stuff, THAT,
> > sir, is uncalled for.
> > 
> > Bob, you amaze me.
> > 
> > > You know, I'm just as happy to NOT read this dribble, but 
> when someone
> > 
> > > points out so wonderfully how ethical they ar

RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

[Steve Hanna]

Dude, STFU

 --steve


> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> People mis-characterize and read things into my posts that 
> are not there.
> This one I have to do in-line.
> 
> > First of all, I've seen plenty of statements by people who 
> accurately depict
> > reasons that your opinion is bunk. You've either not read or not
> > comprehended them.
> > 
> 
> No one in 8 years has proven the statement flawed or 
> illogical that when
> you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry
> that it presents a real or perceived conflict of interest. 
> This has been
> the point since day one, is the point today and will be the 
> point tomorrow
> and the next day and the next.
> 
> > I've seen your comments repeatedly over the years, and 
> continue to disagree
> > with them. Its also painfully obvious to a casual observer 
> that you're using
> > incorrect statements in defense of your position.
> > 
> > > "And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that 
> > > a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that
> > > lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws."
> > 
> > While this is technically accurate, in fact it is 
> inaccurate. Both these
> > professions require licenses to practice. Lawyers who 
> decide to cross a
> > relatively arbitrary line involving a conflict of interest 
> can and have been
> > disbarred - in other words, their license to practice law 
> is revoked.
> > Doctors, too, can have their medical license suspended or 
> revoked. In either
> > case, they are not allowed to practice their profession without that
> > license. Ergo, those professions' codes of ethics *are*, if somewhat
> > indirect, law.
> > 
> 
> Yes, I understand and know all that, but that was not the 
> point. Ethics go
> far, far beyond mere laws. Lawyers can be disbarred for 
> ethics violations
> but not face any criminal prosecution. Yes, they can also be 
> disbarred AND
> face criminal prosecution, but the point was made in response to an
> argument that indicated that ALL ethics must be legislated. Don't take
> things out of context.
> 
> > Your most asinine statements, however, are your explicit 
> statements that
> > being awarded a vendor sponsored honor automatically 
> removes any and all
> > objectivity for those on whom the honor is bestowed. The 
> fact that you
> > repeatedly use that argument shows me how weak your 
> argument really is,
> > especially since you can't show a single instance of where 
> this actually has
> > happened.
> > 
> 
> I don't say this. I say that it is a real or perceived conflict of
> interest and hence a violation of basic ethics. I have stated 
> repeatedly
> that MVP's may well NEVER cause anyone to ACT unethically. 
> And guess what?
> It is irrelevant, it is still a real or perceived conflict of 
> interest.
> What part of this are you missing?
> 
> > Because the MVP community is both under NDA's to Microsoft 
> and also has
> > private community newsgroups, you don't see that MVP's as a 
> group are some
> > of the most critical of Microsoft's products and policies.
> > 
> > But none of that matters to you, because we're all just in 
> Microsoft's
> > pockets anyways. Its not like 12 of the 24 servers I've 
> deployed this year
> > run non-Microsoft OS's or anything.[1]
> > 
> 
> Again, it does not matter if MVP is the greatest thing since 
> sliced bread,
> results in world peace and gives every starving kid a home. 
> None of that
> changes that it is a real or perceived conflict of interest. Again, it
> matters not one bit if MVP's act unethically or not, it is a 
> conflict of
> interest plain and simple. I would be willing to bet that 
> most if not all
> of the MVP's do NOT act unethically because of the title. Guess what?
> Doesn't matter. Still an violation of basic conflict of 
> interest rules.
> 
> > So, I think its fair to say that you've not come even 
> remotely close to
> > proving to anyone where this alleged conflict of interest 
> is, and how it
> > negatively impacts our objectivity.
> > 
> 
> I didn't say that it negatively impacts your objectivity, I 
> said it has
> the *potential* to impact your objectivity. Why? Because it 
> is a real or
> perceived conflict of interest.
> 
> > And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three 
> accolades in my
> > signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. 
> The first (MTS)
> > was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly 
> biased towards my
> > employer?
> > 
> 
> You obviously fail to understand what I am talking about.
> > Roger
> > --
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis Inc.
> > 
> > [1] 8 OpenBSD and 4 Linux, with 2 more Linux boxes due 
> early next year
> > 
> > 
> 

RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

[Steve Hanna]

Dude, STFU.

 --steve


> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:58 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or
> knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon.
> 
> > http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml
> > 
> > Interesting. =20
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies?
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > >=20
> > > Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20
> > > the hiring
> > > body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20
> > > decision and you do
> > > what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20
> > > of decision
> > > making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that 
> MVP's will always
> > > recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain.
> > >=20
> > > You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20
> > > feel is and is
> > > not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20
> > > change the
> > > situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20
> > > of interest.
> > > Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you.
> > >=20
> > > > My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously 
> decided to =
> > =3D=20
> > > > standardize on MS software at all levels.  When it comes=20
> > > time to make=20
> > > > hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20
> > > how should I=20
> > > > proceed?  Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20
> > > deployment project.=20
> > > > =3D20
> > > >=20
> > > > First thing to be decided:=3D20
> > > > Do I want a generic technologist?
> > > > Do I want an unrelated technology guru?
> > > > Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru?
> > > >=20
> > > > Assuming I choose the last option:
> > > > Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be 
> able to help=20
> > > > with =3D my deployment after reading some books?
> > > > Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20
> > > > expertise somehow?
> > > >=20
> > > > The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20
> > > status is, IMO. =20
> > > > =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch 
> of cereal box=20
> > > > tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20
> > > >=20
> > > > You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with 
> an MVP will=20
> > > > automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20
> > > their own =3D=20
> > > > personal gain*.  I don't see this being the case.  If 
> I'm hiring Ed=20
> > > > (to use him =3D as an
> > > > example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20
> > > made the =3D=20
> > > > decision to use that MS technology.  At that point, I 
> want the best=20
> > > > person I can =3D find and afford.  Why hire a 
> consultant, if not for =
> > 
> > > > their knowledge?
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > >=20
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RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

[Steve Hanna]

Dude, STFU
 --steve




> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics 
> are designed to
> define the ceiling.
> 
> No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things 
> that people
> seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a
> spokesman, I have an opinion.
> 
> I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is 
> talk, talk,
> talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see 
> you make an
> intelligent comment or argument yet.
> 
> > A personal attack from me goes so much deeper, but I'll 
> leave that be.
> > On to bigger and brighter things!!!
> > 
> > >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that 
> a company's
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and 
> doctors follow
> > are also not laws."
> > 
> > Oh really!
> > 
> > >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or 
> in part, deciding
> > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, 
> not a legislative
> > body."
> > 
> > Now we're getting somewhere!!!  Tell me Greg, are YOU the 
> spokesman for the
> > IT industry?  Does the IT industry have "party" 
> affiliations?  Are Ed and
> > the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where you're the
> > "Conservative"?  Who voted you to be the spokesman for the 
> IT industry and
> > why didn't I/we get to vote?
> > 
> > >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something 
> that you have not
> > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your
> > criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)"
> > 
> > Not educated on Ethics?  Oh, I'm very educated in many 
> things, IT just
> > happens to be one of them.  I'm just interested in how you 
> came to these
> > conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and 
> anyone else who
> > follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them...
> > 
> > NEXT!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest 
> in your criticism.
> > 
> > And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and 
> doctors follow
> > are also not laws.
> > 
> > This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in 
> part, deciding
> > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, 
> not a legislative
> > body.
> > 
> > Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that 
> you have not
> > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> criticism, have
> > nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of 
> arguing. So, that
> > being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy?
> > 
> > > Oh, that was not a personal attack...  And I don't lose 
> arguments...
> > > 
> > > I tell ya what.  You find me the documentation to support 
> your claim 
> > > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you.  
> I'll need 
> > > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a 
> consortium of 
> > > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on 
> this subject.  
> > > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so 
> I can see at
> > > what point in time these laws went into effect...
> > > 
> > > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical 
> > > violation, right?
> > > 
> > > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise 
> > > migration since it might get those of us who are not 
> MVP's nominated 
> > > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist 
> you.  So, 
> > > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide 
> will be unethical in
> > nature...
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > > 
> > > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that 
> someone has lost
> > > an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a 
> wife beater,
> > > a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep 
> learning 
> > > things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list.
> > > 
> > > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you...  You 
> should have
> > > > asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you 
> some brain 
> > > > cells to operate with...
> > > > 
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RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

[Steve Hanna]

  Dude, STFU.
--steve

   


> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> Titles are priceless.
> 
> Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of 
> interest. If
> you work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that 
> industry, it
> is always going to at least be a perceived conflict of 
> interest. Whether
> it actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own
> business and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then 
> no, an MVP
> title would not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. 
> If you are in
> IT, it is.
> 
> 
> > Kindly define "significant gifts such as large dollar items 
> and titles".
> > Where, exactly is your threshold?  Let's get down to 
> specifics, Greg.
> > 
> > How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to 
> provide consulting
> > services surrounding Microsoft products?  It is not my job, 
> for example, to
> > steer people away from Windows to Linux.
> > 
> > Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters'
> > directions are complementary?  Still, your entire point is 
> flawed since
> > neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and 
> neither ask anything
> > of me, period.  (I take that back--they do ask one thing, 
> that we behave in
> > the forums.  If you claim that's a conflict of interest, it 
> will further
> > confirm my belief that you've lost it.)  The MVP award is a 
> "thank you", if
> > you will, for past service.  Not once has anyone directed 
> me to do a single
> > thing.
> > 
> > Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately 
> explain how
> > there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP 
> and what my
> > employer asks me to do.  Microsoft gives MVPs a modest 
> non-monetary award
> > for their work doing peer support.  It's right there, 
> disclosed in the MVP
> > website, as I told you before.  Personally, I provide this 
> peer support
> > service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of 
> my own free will.
> > My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft 
> Exchange, Windows and
> > various other complementary technologies to its customers.  
> Most other MVPs
> > are either consultants or Exchange administrators.  We 
> answer technical
> > questions and try to help people with their technical 
> problems.  We do not
> > sell Microsoft products.  Whatever we say we believe.  
> Where is the conflict
> > of interest, pray tell?
> > 
> > I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize 
> Microsoft's
> > products because I am an MVP.  Personally, I don't hesitate 
> to express my
> > opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft 
> disagree with
> > me.  Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even 
> more forthcoming.
> > Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its
> > insidious result, Mr. Deckler.  How, exactly, has the MVP 
> program caused
> > such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over 
> it?  Let's get
> > specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather 
> unconvincing.
> > 
> > For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I 
> receive a modest
> > gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this.  So my 
> employer, which
> > happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with 
> this arrangement.
> > Why should you?
> > 
> > It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person 
> is unprofessional
> > solely because he does not adhere to your personal 
> standards of ethics.
> > Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a 
> conflict of
> > interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to 
> the contrary.  That
> > is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional 
> ethics in this
> > field.  Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional 
> because they do not
> > adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those standards 
> are undefined
> > and based solely upon your own simplistic idea of 
> standards, your own
> > ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your personal 
> prejudices.  As long as
> > you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will call you on them.
> > 
> > You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know 
> you're right
> > because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong.  The 
> real problem is
> > that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that 
> you're right.
> > You are the one with the opinions.  But wait--you say you 
> deal in facts.  In
> > an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that 
> everything you say
> > is your opinion.  Which is it, fact or opinion?  Well, I 
> will argue that you
> > don't deal in facts, you're all about opinion, so don't go 
> claiming it's all
> > about "known facts".  There isn't a single fact in your 
> diatribe except for
>

RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

[Steve Hanna]

Dude, STFU.

 --steve



> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:44 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting
> direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as
> large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived 
> conflict of
> interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or
> company that he or she works for) and that third party.
> 
> This is the most very basic definition of conflict of 
> interest. One cannot
> serve two masters. If you have been given something, and 
> ESPECIALLY if it
> is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a
> conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong.
> 
> This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as 
> that. It is not
> only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can 
> prove to me that
> this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe
> something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, 
> nobody has
> proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of 
> personal attacks, I
> have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who 
> starves children,
> but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never 
> wavered from
> this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning 
> that this
> all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must
> send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC
> ETHICS.
> 
> Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you
> want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want 
> to change my
> mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that.
> 
> Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind 
> of craziness.
> Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to 
> me. Look at
> the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you 
> kidding me?
> And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical 
> Microsoft barbs. If
> someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to
> stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see 
> them. Nobody
> has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think
> that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, 
> that I do not
> see.
> 
> And all this nonsense about "tone" and stating things as "my 
> opinion" is
> all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read 
> what they
> want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight 
> talk to one
> person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, 
> annoying and
> pointless to another. There are way too many people in this 
> world to try
> to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact 
> voice that
> sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my 
> posts, well,
> there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over 
> every word and
> sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do 
> not have the
> time.
> 
> > First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only 
> need to state that
> > it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or 
> passage because it is
> > fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or 
> sentence further
> > backs up your opinion.  
> > 
> > It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling 
> in your moral and
> > symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to 
> realize that
> > your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a 
> total prat.  But that
> > is just my opinion.
> > 
> > Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human 
> condition.  If we all
> > got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get 
> very dull.  You
> > can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying 
> they are wrong.
> > This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion.  
> By saying that
> > someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and 
> your reasons are
> > based upon fact or accepted truth.
> > 
> > Allrightythen!  I guess this means that we aren't due to 
> bring this topic up
> > until June.  Thanks for the comic relief, Greg!
> > 
> > Eric Fretz
> > 
> > L-3 Communications
> > ComCept Division
> > 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> > Rockwall, TX 75032
> > tel:   972.772.7501
> > fax:  972.772.7510
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > 
> > In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that 
> stating anything as a
> > fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my 
> opinion, this opinion is
> > absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything 
> that comes out
> 

RE: Password Mainenance

[Steve Hanna]

Ouch.,
 
 --steve


> -Original Message-
> From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:46 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Password Mainenance
> 
> 
> No.
> 
> We have always manually created the passwords in the past and 
> kept a list.
> Doesn't make me a hacker of any sort.
> The company is getting so big, Just looking for a way of 
> automating it yet maintaining a password structure.
> I am one person managing two departments and too many servers 
> and sorkstations :)
> 
> John Parker, MCSE
> IS Admin.
> Senior Technical Specialist
> Digital Display Systems.
> 
> Alpha Video
> 7711 Computer Ave.
> Edina, MN. 55435
>  
> 952-896-9898 Local
> 800-388-0008 Watts
> 952-896-9899 Fax
> 612-804-8769 Cell
> 952-841-3327 Direct
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Be excellent to each other"
> ---End of Line---
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Password Mainenance
> 
> 
> What, you mean report what all the new passwords are to you?  Are you
> out of your mind?  I sure hope you are kidding.  If you seriously want
> to get a list of ALL passwords, why don't you go out and buy 
> LophtCrack
> - after all, what you are wanting is something to make you a hacker of
> the company you work for.
> 
> 
> Ben Winzenz
> Network Engineer
> Gardner & White
> (317) 581-1580 ext 418
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Posted At: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:47 AM
> Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
> Conversation: Disappearing email
> Subject: Password Mainenance
> 
> 
> Hey all, I am nearing a time when once again, I need to do a password
> change for my company.
> 
> Is there any password automation out there, that will allow 
> me to setup
> a password structure, changes the passwords and give me a 
> report of the
> new ones?
> 
> There has to be something out there like that...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John Parker, MCSE
> IS Admin.
> Senior Technical Specialist
> Digital Display Systems.
> Alpha Video
> 
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RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server

[Steve Hanna]

Samantha, 
 This list is at sometimes a little rough. If you wish to communicate within
this community there are certain expectations # 1, read the FAQ for this
list (as you should for any list). There are a bunch of very smart folk on
this list that are giving advise for *free*.. If you don't like the advise
ask for a refund[1]

[1] This was a quote sorry I can't remember who first made the statement.

--steve

  




> -Original Message-
> From: Bridges, Samantha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
> 
> 
> Thanks Tony for your advice.
> 
> Why do you care what I ask on this listserv?  I thought this 
> list was for questions.  Maybe the questions asked by people 
> in this list seem "stupid" to you, but they are not.  Who 
> made you the judge of what questions are good/helpful and 
> which ones are not?  If you are too good for the questions 
> being asked on this list then don't answer. 
> 
> I don't know if all you do all day is work on an Exchange 
> servers but I wear many hats here in the name of special 
> education children and I don't have time during or after work 
> everyday/and every minute to read books on Exchange server.  
> I have picked up a few good books in the past few weeks and 
> they are helpful and hopefully I won't have to bother this 
> list.I wish for nothing more.  But until I become a pro 
> like yourself, I will look to people like yourself who know 
> this stuff backwards and forwards to give some direction.  
> 
> I take great offense to your undeserved comments and wish 
> that you could remember the days when you were learning.  I 
> was given this project and am doing the best I can.  This 
> list is for getting help, not a social event for buddies.
> 
> It is a shame that you are not more patient.
> 
> Thanks and I have appreciated your help in the past.
> 
> Samantha
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
> 
> 
> You really really need to get trained on Exchange or start 
> reading books on 
> it as oppossed to asking this list for every thing you do.
> 
> 
> From: "Bridges, Samantha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:45:35 -0400
> 
> Why is it there though?  Will services run without it?  Why 
> would M:icrosoft 
> put that there?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Services Not Restarting After Reboot of Server
> 
> 
> 
>  > Are you being funny?  There is definitely a M: drive!  What
>  > is that
> 
> He's saying IGNORE the M: drive. Don't use it for anything. 
> Don't virus
> scan it! Don't back it up!
> 
> -kevin
> 
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Perhaps OWA, perhaps not...

[Steve Hanna]

NT4.0sp6a + ex 5.5 + owa, 
this is a small simple exchange deployment with OWA is running so that my
warehouse guys can see mail. 

Yesterday we had a power failure and dispite UPS's my exchange box went down
fast (and not quietly). The box came back up but it seems like OWA is now
pooched.. I'm not sure if the problem is with IIS or OWA, I would lean more
to IIS but I'd like more to go on. 

I get Event IDs
 5
 290
 1003
 1011 (the last two seem more like IIS)

 I'm also looking at 
 Q184841 XWEB: OWA Component for IIS May Cause Heap Corruption 
 I also can't telnet to :80 on the box anymore.

 When I try to start the MMC for IIS I get an error cannot connect to mail
"the data is invalid" 

 Thoughts

--steve

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RE: E-mail in to China

[Steve Hanna]

RightFax has matured somewhat over the years.
 --steve






-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E-mail in to China


Trials and Tribulation?

Admittedly, this was several years ago, but I tested about four
different fax-server products that integrated into exchange, the best
(in my opinion) was Faxination...

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E-mail in to China


Bertha Venation?
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Drew Nicholson
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E-mail in to China


Faxination.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Aguet, Pierre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: E-mail in to China


For all our business in China, after loosing hundreds of e-mails without
any logical explanation other than Chinese Gvt filters, we made a policy
to our sales persons to FAX ALL documents as well as they are sent to
.CN recipients.

Actually we are looking for a fax server to automate this process.

HTH.

Rgds

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Fennema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: E-mail in to China


I was wondering if anyone else is having issues sending and receiving
emails with China (.cn) addresses.  We have had several addresses over
the last 4-6 months that we cannot send/receive email with.  I watch it
leave my server with no issues, we receive no errors, but the recipient
never receives it. The same goes when they send to us, no errors, it
leaves there server, but never arrives here, again no error on either
end.  The only way we have found to get around the issue for business to
continue is to use a hotmail/yahoo account to correspond with them.  Has
anyone run into this? Does anyone have a suggestion of where to look
next?

Thanks,
Ryan

 
 
 
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Network Administrator
X-Rite Incorporated - Grandville, MI
Phone: (616) 257-2165 Fax: (616) 257-2165
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RE: Message rejected

[Steve Hanna]

You like pie?


> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:32 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Message rejected
> 
> 
> m
> pie...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:15 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Message rejected
> 
> 
> Friggin Lyris.
> 
> > I rarely tell anyone to shut their pie hole (Unless it's Andy 
> > David). Instead you shoudl ask him to document his argument 
> > in detail so you can consider it. At the moment, his 
> > assertion is too vague to consider as valid or not.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Edwards, Aaron
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Sent: 9/25/2002 4:29 AM
> > Subject: ADC vs. Exmerge
> > 
> > Hi,
> >  
> > We have about a 850 mailboxes and a 10 GB Info Store that is 
> > Exchange 5.5 SP4. We have seperate OWA 5.5 and IMS servers. 
> > We also run Antigen 6.5. We are planning on moving to 
> > Exchange 2000. We have a new server that we are going to 
> > migrate to. I have read the faqs and many white papers about 
> > migrating. From what I've read, the ADC is the recommended 
> > way to go to get your mailboxes, public folders, and settings 
> > moved over. However, one of our staff has brought up the 
> > argument that, in order to have a clean Exchange 2000 server, 
> > it is best to not use the ADC. He says that we should exmerge 
> > all our mailboxes, export our public folders to pst's, reset 
> > up our settings, and exmerge/import everything into the new 
> > server. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Should I just tell 
> > him to shut his pie hole?
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Aaron
> > 
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RE: test

[Steve Hanna]

Rather than continue to send test messages to the list check your list
prefs.
 
When was the last time you reviewd your settings.
If infact your settings are cowrrect perhaps an unsub / resub would work.

--steve





> -Original Message-
> From: Weatherly, Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:06 AM
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> Subject: test
> 
> 
> Test  
> Please reply if this anyone sees this
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RE: Exchange Security Breach????

[Steve Hanna]

Slow down.,.. don't get all worried about it. 

Read the implications of the klez family of viruses. explain it to your
boss.
your new slow down...

--steve
 




> -Original Message-
> From: Rama Arumugam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:23 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Exchange Security Breach
> 
> 
> What do you mean don't worry about? By the way we have NetShield and
> GroupShield both running on our exchange server and we do 
> block most of the
> extensions (.exe,.vbs, etc.) from coming in. 
> 
> Rama Arumugam
> Network Administrator
> Wire DynamiX.com
> (253) 395-4527
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:20 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Exchange Security Breach
> 
> It's Klez.  Don't worry about it.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rama Arumugam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Posted At: Thursday, September 19, 2002 09:28 AM
> > Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
> > Conversation: Exchange Security Breach
> > Subject: Exchange Security Breach
> > 
> > 
> > Hello everyone,
> > One of my users (unfortunately it's my Supervisor) got an 
> > alert from Group Shield saying that his attachment (.exe) was 
> > blocked.  But he swears that he didn't send out any emails.  
> > Couldn't argue with that. Not only that, we were unable to 
> > find anything on his Sent Items folder either. Here is what 
> > he received on his inbox from Postmaster 
> >  
> > -Original Message-
> > From: postmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >  
> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:55 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Undeliverable mail--"Helvetica"
> > The following mail can't be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Helvetica
> > The attachment is the original mail
> > **
> > **
> > *
> > I just can't seem to find any information on this on the 
> > internet. "Helvetica" is a font. That's all I've got so for. 
> > Could this be a Security breach? Is someone using my exchange 
> > server? Has anyone received any messages like this before? 
> > Please help. Any input is welcome! 
> > 
> > Thanks everyone!
> > rama
> > 
> > 
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RE: Another Outlook/Exchange question

[Steve Hanna]

This is probably not the best way to manage your mail. 

 for outlook questions see www.slipstick.com

--steve
 
 






> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Another Outlook/Exchange question
> 
> 
> Another note: it seems that when sending my e-mail via a 
> networked client (connected to Exchange but sending internet 
> e-mail directly), in plain text mode, some attachments are 
> being added - including an html copy of the message!  Anybody 
> know how to stop this?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Daniel L. Miller
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:10 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Stores
> 
> 
> Correct
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Fugatt
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:27 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Stores
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> It sounds like you are running Exchange 2000 Standard and not 
> Enterprise.
> 
> Mark Fugatt
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:28 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Stores
> 
> 
> I've tried creating a new storage group.  After creation, it 
> won't allow me
> to add any mail stores - though it seems public stores are acceptable.
> What's wrong?
> 
> What I really want to do is MOVE a store/storage group.  My 
> primary storage
> group currently resides on my system partition and I want to 
> shift it to my
> data partition.  How can I do this?
> 
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RE: Exchange 2k SMTP

[Steve Hanna]

two great sites 

  dnsstuff.com
  dnsreport.com 

the below link is the report for the dot com in question (me thinks)

http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=amfes.com


--steve





> Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
> 
> 
> OK, I've verified DNS works.
> I've verified via NSLOOKUP that I can find a remote server.
> I've verified via TELNET that I can access a remote server.
> 
> SO WHY ISN'T MY INTERNET E-MAIL WORKING?!?!?!?  This is really getting
> frustrating.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Daniel L. Miller
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:34 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
> 
> 
> OK, I found it in the help file.
> Telnet amfes.com 25
> 
> Yes, I get in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:07 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
> 
> 
> Can you resolve the Mx record for an external domain from the Exchange
> server itself? If so, can you then telnet to that Mx record 
> on port 25?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Daniel L. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:18 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
> >
> > Text of the NDR below.  I have tried adjusting the time settings.  I
> > currently have them set to the minimum so I can get 
> confirmation of the
> > rejection quickly!
> >
> > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
> >
> >   Subject:  Testing again
> >   Sent: 8/18/2002 7:42 PM
> >
> > The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
> >
> >   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on 8/18/2002 7:44 PM
> > Could not deliver the message in the time limit 
> specified.
> > Please retry or contact your administrator.
> > 
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> Chris Scharff
> > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:35 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Exchange 2k SMTP
> >
> >
> > What does the NDR say...
> >
> > >Any attempt to
> > > send
> > > internet e-mail results in failed delivery notifications.
> >
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RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5

[Steve Hanna]

When I subbed this list some 2 years ago. I was promptly told to read the
FAQ. I did, and thus avoided the brutality you speak of.

--steve







> -Original Message-
> From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:25 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> 
> 
> You guys are brutal on here to newcomers.  I've been in this 
> business for
> 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year.  Cut me some slack
> please.
> 
> 
>  And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a 
> little reading.
> > Jeesh.  If you have been on this list even just lurking in 
> the background,
> > you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger.
> > 
> > Geoff...
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my 
> statement.
> > 
> > As others have said: 
> > - Don't do BLBs
> > - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server.
> > - Perform a proper Exchange backup.  How?  Read the WPs and 
> report back
> > tomorrow with any 
> > additional questions.  
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't get it.  What gives you the impression I don't know
> > > what Circular
> > > Logging is?  Just because I have it turned on.  I would turn 
> > > it off if we
> > > could figure out how to back up the edb files and could 
> flush the log
> > > files.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging
> > > is, or what
> > > the
> > > > impact is.
> > > > 
> > > > Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your
> > > company's mail
> > > > resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup 
> and Disaster
> > > > Recovery whitepapers from MS' website.
> > > > 
> > > > Do not leave the building without having the printouts in
> > > your hands.
> > > > 
> > > > Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them.  All
> > > will be explained
> > > > in those whitepapers.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it 
> > > > > turned on.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb
> > > > > and priv.edb
> > > > > until we can get the OF Agent working.  As far as BLB's, the 
> > > > > FIRM has to
> > > > > do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want 
> > > > > to be able to
> > > > > restore a mailbox.  This is a law firm remember the Lawyers 
> > > > > are in charge
> > > > > not IT.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or 
> renaming them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Do you know what circular logging is?  Do you know what the
> > > > > logfiles are
> > > > > > for?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On this particular server we are doing circular logging but
> > > > > that shouldn't
> > > > > > hurt anything.  We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again
> > > > > made us shut
> > > > > > it off because we were having constant problems with it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!!  No wonder you have trouble with
> > > > > this server.
> > > > > > > Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and
> > > > > flush logs when
> > > > > > > complete.  You aren't doing circular logging too, are you?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never
> > > have to stop ANY
> > > > > > service.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > > From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM
> > > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > > Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I know this has come up before but how is everyone else
> > > > > backing up their
> > > > > > > Exchange servers.  We're using Backup Exec and only
> > > backing up the
> > > > > > > mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb.  Is it wise to
> > > > > stop those service

RE: Test

[Steve Hanna]

FAQ 1.11
--steve






> -Original Message-
> From: Gary Duckman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:04 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Test
> 
> 
> Test message please ignore
> 
> 
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RE: JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax?

[Steve Hanna]

hope your mouth is big enough for your foot.

--steve

  

> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Grech [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax?
> 
> 
> the virus really creates a directory from the followinf
> 
> C:\WINDOWS
> C:\WINNT
> 
> Delete it immediatley
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Bob Razler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, May 22, 2002 18:27
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject:JDBGMGR.EXE Hoax?
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Hello:
> > 
> > I have received several emails from people saying they are
> > getting a
> > notice that they have a virus (mail from someone who thinks they are
> > infected) telling them to delete jdbgmgr.exe (which has a teddy bear
> > icon).  This looks too much like one of those hoaxes where someone
> > tries to get users to delete a needed file.  Any experience 
> with this
> > today?
> > 
> > Robert J. Razler, Esq.
> > Approvals Manager
> > Heritage Building Group, Inc.
> > Suite A-100
> > 3326 Old York Road
> > Furlong, PA 18925
> > 215.794.0550, ext. 1117
> > www.heritagebuildinggroup.com
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > PGP Public Keys available at:
> > http://www.razler.com/PGPKey.htm
> > 
> > - -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andrey
> > Fyodorov
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:16 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Win2K DNS is PISSING ME OFF
> > 
> > Hi all.
> > 
> > I have two Win2K AD DNS servers. Recently they have been acting up:
> > all of a
> > sudden one of them stops using root hints and can't resolve a lot of
> > good
> > domain names (request timed-out). I restart the DNS server service
> > and
> > everything is OK again. Then 10-15 minutes later, it starts giving
> > request
> > timed-out. Both DNS servers experience this at different times.
> > 
> > Has anyone here seen this?
> > 
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> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use 
> 
> > 
> > iQA/AwUBPOvGqWwjiy2yaukAEQJpOQCeM/695zjSoC5wQTlVSQLM9nyImykAoPdZ
> > nXeOXC2wwqmt73DDSrE4lzgt
> > =2CS5
> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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inetinfo 99% of the CPU

[Steve Hanna]

Is ther something obvious in E2k that causes inetinfo to reach 99% of CPU
all the kbs I can find suggest re-service pack 

 The box is win2k sp2 + e2k sp2.

I'm trying to answer a question for someone else (I don't have a 2k box yet)

I continue to research..

--steve



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RE: Email Accounts

[Steve Hanna]

Yes.

more answers will require more info.

--steve



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:31 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Email Accounts
> 
> 
> Hi
>There is a problem where i am at of users can attach and read other
> users email. They don't have Domain Admin rights(some of them 
> do as far as
> workgroup managers). Is there a way to fix this.
> 
> Thanks
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RE: Offline Folders Unavailable

[Steve Hanna]

 A) You could always just re-create the profile.
 B) PST in the mix perhaps
 C) 2 hours is a life time :-)


> -Original Message-
> From: Fred W. Macondray Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Offline Folders Unavailable
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a user who converted to Exchange and is using Outlook 2000.  He
> wishes to use Offline Folders, but the option is greyed out. 
> 
> He's also got Internet email enabled. 
> 
> What could cause the Offline folders to be unavailable?   Even in the
> Options under Mail Services the option is unavailable.
> 
> I've only got 2 hours to figure this out !
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Fred
> 
> Fred Macondray
> Systems Administrator
> Virtual Purchase Card, Inc.
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> http://www.virtualpurchasecard.com
> 
> -   "Guaranteed B2B Purchases"
> 
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RE: Suggestions would help thanks

[Steve Hanna]

Troll, 

  link 

 
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q180/0/94.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=t
ech&FR=0&qry=LMHOSTS&rnk=4&src=DHCS_MSPSS_tech_SRCH&SPR=W98


> 
> 
> I am the LMHOST KING bow down to me !! o yeah  microsoft.com 
> have been slow
> latly when doing searchs
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Murphy, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:36 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> Here's an even better site.  www.google.com
> 
> This provides a much better hit ratio then Microsoft's 
> website.  I have
> about a 50% success rate with their knowledge base returning 
> the appropriate
> information.  Good luck.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom.Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> hey, here's a secret site :
>   www.microsoft.com
> 
> they have a thing called a "knowledge base"
> If you search for LMHOSTS  you get a peek into
> over 100 articles with information about LMHOSTS files.
> 
> Don't tell anybody else about this site, just give them the answers
> after you have researched it yourself and you look like a genius!
> 
> Looks like #5 and #7 would be a great place to start.
> 
> Search Results
> Your search for lmhosts found 104 matches. 1 through 10 are 
> listed below. 
> 1 Name Resolution Using Lmhosts May Generate System Error 
> 1214 (Q219381) 
> 2 Performance Monitor Logs Lose Data Across Subnets (Q237579) 
> 3 Win95/98/NT Dialup, Authentication, Browsing Using TCPIP, 
> IPX/SPX, or
> NetBEUI (Q232511) 
> 4 Bringing Up a Windows NT Advanced Server in a TCP/IP WAN (Q102044) 
> 5 The Lmhosts File for TCP/IP in Windows (Q101927) 
> 6 How to Troubleshoot TCP/IP Connectivity with Windows (Q102908) 
> 7 LMHOSTS File Information and Predefined Keywords (Q102725) 
> 8 REG: TCP/IP Transport Entries, Part 2 (Q102974) 
> 9 Embedding Non-printable Characters in LMHOSTS Computer 
> Names (Q104576) 
> 10 Windows NT NBTSTAT -R vs. LAN Manager ADDNAME (Q107060) 
>  
> Tom Gray, Network Engineer
> All Kinds of Minds & The Center for Development and Learning
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> Internet:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AT&T Net: (919)960-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> Bob,
> 
>   I use the lmhost file for my clients and it works like 
> a charm.  I
> would like to know if you know where I could find more info 
> about lmhost
> files.  Right now I have the lmhost file set only for 1 
> server which is the
> exchange server.  Do you know the parameters to enter in the 
> lmhost file to
> give more access to the entire network.  
> 
> Thanks 
> Rich
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Sadler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> Richard:
> 
> This is possible without making any changes, except to the W98 clients
> themselves.  Merely add the Microsoft for Networking Client on each
> machine, give each an IP Address, tell the the router IP address for
> Gateway.  Then in their Outlook clients, be sure to add a new server,
> which points to the exchange server in NY.  If they have 
> trouble finding
> the server, drop a LMHOST file on each W98 machine showing the address
> of the Exchange Server.
> 
> We were doing this exact same setup (and still are with some remotes)
> and it works just fine.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> wise as#
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Monteleone-Haught Matt - Millville
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:33 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Suggestions would help thanks
> 
> 
> What does your network admin think you should do?  
> 
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:41 AM
> >>>To: Exchange Discussions
> >>>Subject: Suggestions would help thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>We have our main office in NY and another office in Florida. 
> >>> Florida office needs to access NY Network for email and files.
> >>>
> >>>Florida Network:
> >>>
> >>>Novell server (not sure what the version) Cisco router, T1 
> >>>line and 4 workstations with 98 win.
> >>>
> >>>NY Network:
> >>>
> >>>2 NT4 SP6 servers  1 Server set up with RAS/VPN 10 ports 
> >>>which is a file server the other server is our exchange 5.5 
> >>>server.  We have a cisco router 1600 with a T1 line. 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I told my boss to purch

RE: Off Topic Kinda

[Steve Hanna]

troll..
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html
~steve



> 
> Does anyone know a good program or books for making good 
> stationery HTML for
> outlook 2000.  I want to make some fancy email BABY!!
> 
> Rich
> 
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RE: Off Topic "Display IP from DOS using %???%

[Steve Hanna]

pardon, I said pardon. huh what... 

ipconfig /? for the full story

--steve





> -Original Message-
> From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:52 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Off Topic "Display IP from DOS using %???%
> 
> 
> Well,
> 
>   I know this can be done, but have forgotten!
> 
> From dos type echo %username% and displays User name (vanhuia)
> 
>   What is it for Ip address?   echo %ip%?
> 
> Thanks
>   
> 
> Adriaan Van Huissteden
> 
> Network Administrator
> Connect Credit Union
> Phone: (03) 6233 0660
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K

[Steve Hanna]

Two halves of coconut banging them together.

--steve


> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:04 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> Beat that!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Smith Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:58 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> TS-1000 (2k RAM, membrane keyboard, RF converter for BW TV) 
> 
> Joseph Smith
> 
> Network Administrator
> Perlos, Inc.
> 5201 Alliance Gateway
> Fort Worth, TX 76178-3729
> Work: 817-224-9012
> Cell: 817-999-7703
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kuminda Chandimith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:33 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> Well My first was a small computer called Lazar (I am not sure whether
> it is
> a major brand At that time)  something which had a 64 KB of memory and
> GWBasic in its ROM. I Was damn Illiterate those days I did 
> not knew how
> to
> find the configuration Of that "Toy"
> 
> Then not to mention the Commodore ant ARC computer with 256 memory And
> no
> hard disk - 51/2 floppies. And that first floppy diskette of 
> mine.. What
> trouble I went through to own that..
> 
> 
> Kuminda Chandimith
> Sr. Technical Consultant
> Ducont.com FZ-LLC
> Tel:  + 971-4-3913000 Ext 237
> Fax: +971-4-3913001
> http://www.ducont.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Utegaard, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 October 2001 22:02
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> Yes, but I have all my enterprise data stored on cassettes via TRS-80.
> We
> have a storage warehouse just for them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> Litton 4k drum memory all program loaded via paper tape. 
> Don't drop the
> roll.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Cornetet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> 
> 
> > HP 2100
> >
> > 4K words of *core* memory, and a model 33 teletype w/ paper tape for
> program
> > storage.
> >
> > Have you ever loaded an OS at 110 baud?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:00 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> >
> >
> >
> > PDP-11.
> >
> > Ed Crowley
> > Compaq Computer
> >
> > --- "Soysal, Serdar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Man I remember the first computer I wrote my first
> > > Pascal program on.  It
> > > was an 8086 PC with no hard disk and 256K of RAM.
> > > The code had different
> > > procedures for about 10 sorting algorithms and it
> > > was intended to be a tool
> > > for comparing how different algorithms performed
> > > with certain data sets.  It
> > > had overwhelmed the CPU when I tried to compile it
> > > in Turbo pascal.  Aah,
> > > the good old days...
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shields, Anthony
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:21 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As sarcastic as it is.  It is interesting, if one
> > > presumes, that the
> > > very machines we're mentioning were in fact our
> > > first 'computers'.  For
> > > me, reading your emails is like walking down memory 
> lane...TRS-80's 
> > > , TI-99a? Or 994a?, TRS-80's with 384K of RAM, etc...
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:41 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> > >
> > >
> > > Ooh!  Ooh!
> > > Can I get Colour Display for my TRS-80s?  I've got a
> > > killer ap that I
> > > wrote in basic that draws these neato boxes on the
> > > screen and I have
> > > been aching to see it in full 8 bit colour!
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Soysal, Serdar
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Sent: 10/1/01 8:46 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> > >
> > >
> > > You've got COLOR DISPLAY  When did THAT come
> > > out?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rocky Stefano
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You all lose. I've clustered 25 Atari 2600's and can
> > > now play Mission
> > > Impossible in 8bit color
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> 

RE: today's admin backwards virus

[Steve Hanna]

That being the case the receptionist could manage the servers. I myself am
waiting for the MS easybake oven.
--steve


> -Original Message-
> From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:41 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: today's admin backwards virus
> 
> 
> 
> > Not a chance I'd ever want my production servers to auto 
> > update anything. I
> > strictly want to test each patch before I apply it to any 
> > production server.
> 
> absolutely, but what would be nice is something like 'MS 
> update server',
> which automatically downloads ALL relevant security patches 
> and hotfixes,
> scans your network and alerts you to what needs applying. a management
> console should be available to allow 'drag and drop' 
> deployment of security
> patches and hotfixes across the network.
> 
> the system should also be intelligent enough to know the 
> server applications
> you are running and how this impacts which patches should be 
> run and in what
> order they should be applied.
> 
> dan.
> 
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RE: Disable ability to reply

[Steve Hanna]

My suggestion, if used, is to be used with the knowledge that "there are
seldom good technological solutions for behavioral problems" 

--steve







> -Original Message-
> From: Garrish, Robert B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:42 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Disable ability to reply
> 
> 
> Dear DL Members,
> 
>   We have presented a couple of alternate options, such 
> as creating a
> generic mailbox to use to send the message from, so that any 
> reply would not
> go to a mailbox belonging to a human being.  We even 
> mentioned Steve Hanna's
> idea of stating it at the beginning of the message, and at 
> the end of the
> message!!
>   We have restrictions set up on the SDLs.  The "concern" 
> is that the
> person from HR who needs to be the Original Sender does not 
> want to get any
> replies at all.  Thus, we are trying to figure out a way to 
> prevent the
> recipients from being able to reply to the Original Sender.
> 
>   Thanks for all the replies.
> 
> 
> Rob Garrish
> Exchange Administrator
> Wawa Inc.
> 610-558-8371
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:21 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Disable ability to reply
> 
> 
> Are you wishing to keep them from replying to all, replying 
> to the sender,
> or both?  If you want to keep them from replying to all you 
> can go about it
> a couple of ways.  First, on the Delivery Restrictions tab of 
> the System DL,
> only allow yourself (and any others necessary) to address mail to it.
> Second, you can address System DL messages using BCC.  
> Finally - and this is
> what I would ALSO do (all 3), only send System DL messages 
> from a specific
> mailbox - as in one designated for System messages, Corporate 
> Communication,
> etc.  Only allow that mailbox to address the System DL.  Some 
> of these are
> business policy issues.
> 
> I believe just trying to limit replies to specific messages 
> will cause you
> much more pain than doing it this way.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:21:33 -0400, "Exchange Discussions"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Dear DL Members,
> > 
> > I have been asked to figure out how to send an e-mail 
> message out to
> > a System Distribution List, and prevent the recipients from 
> being able to
> > reply to the message they receive.
> > I did not think that this was possible.  I used the "help" in
> > Outlook 2000 and performed a couple of searches in Tech Net 
> on the Web.
> > Our user community has both Outlook 97 and 2000, and we 
> are Exchange
> > 5.5 with SP3.
> > Please help or point in the correct direction.
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > Rob Garrish
> > Exchange Administrator
> > Wawa Inc.
> > 610-558-8371
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
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RE: Disable ability to reply

[Steve Hanna]

Add a line at the beginning of the MSG stating " do not reply to this MSG as
it was sent from an administrative mail box"

beyond that "delivery restrictions"

--steve




> 
> Dear DL Members,
> 
>   I have been asked to figure out how to send an e-mail 
> message out to
> a System Distribution List, and prevent the recipients from 
> being able to
> reply to the message they receive.
>   I did not think that this was possible.  I used the "help" in
> Outlook 2000 and performed a couple of searches in Tech Net 
> on the Web.
>   Our user community has both Outlook 97 and 2000, and we 
> are Exchange
> 5.5 with SP3.
>   Please help or point in the correct direction.
>   Thanks.
> 
> 
> Rob Garrish
> Exchange Administrator
> Wawa Inc.
> 610-558-8371
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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RE: third party client can't send email to external address!?

[Steve Hanna]

to continue a thread
please summarize the thought again
or call p s s

I know it sucks but hey WTH

--steve


> 
> I'm kind a desperate.
> Can somebody help me get this resolved.
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RE: x400 addressing

[Steve Hanna]

Ha ha ha . 

# banner NO! > exchange discussions 

Never a dull moment..

--steve




> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:55 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: x400 addressing
> 
> 
> N N   O   !!
> NNN  O O  !!
> N N   N  O O  !!
> N  N  N  O O  !!
> N   N N  O O  !!
> NNN  O O
> N N   O   !!
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> Tech Consultant
> Compaq Computer Corporation
> All your base are belong to us.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Engels PHAT
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:58 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: x400 addressing
> 
> 
> Okay,
> 
> I understand, but is there a way to let Exchange use the smtp 
> addressing
> instead of the x400 adresses?
> 
> greetings
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chetwood, Rachel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:45 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: x400 addressing
> > 
> > 
> > As I understand it, Exchange uses the X400 addresses for internal
> > addressing, and even if you'd never installed a X400 
> > connector, they would
> > still have X400 addresses. I think this is what Ed was saying.
> > HTH
> > cheers
> > Rachel
> > 
> > > --
> > > From: Engels PHAT[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Reply To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Sent: 03 September 2001 10:18
> > > To:   Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject:  RE: x400 addressing
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:11 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: x400 addressing
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Just remove them in Site Addressing.  However, if you do so, 
> > > > people will
> > > > stop getting their mail.
> > > > 
> > > > All Exchange 5.5 recipients that you want to receive mail 
> > > > must have X.400
> > > > addresses defined.  If you get rid of them, things stop 
> > > > working.  This is
> > > > regardless of the connector you are using to connect sites.
> > > 
> > > I've removed the X400 connectors. In my opinion I should be 
> > able to remove
> > > the X400 addresses now.
> > > 
> > > In case I never installed an X400 connector things will be 
> > working without
> > > a
> > > problem. How can I reach this
> > > 
> > > Greetings
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> > > > Tech Consultant
> > > > Compaq Computer Corporation
> > > > All your base are belong to us.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
> > Engels PHAT
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:58 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: x400 addressing
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Previously I've connected our Exchange Sites via the X400 
> > > > connector. Due to
> > > > some problems I want to get rid of the X400 addresses and 
> > > > therefor I've
> > > > switched to the IMS. Exchange is still using the X400 
> > > > addressing to send
> > > > mail to recipients. See below. How get I prevent Exchange 
> > is using 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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RE: How to set up exchange server

[Steve Hanna]

buy a book, come back when your finished reading it.
--steve



> -Original Message-
> From: Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:07 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: How to set up exchange server
> 
> 
> Dear All:
> 
> We have an Exchange server 5.5 as an internal email
> system. We want to use Seattle Lab mail engine. How to
> connect Exchange server as internal email to Seattle
> Lab server as external email system.
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> Jim
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RE: User Friendly Exchange List

[Steve Hanna]

Long live this nasty a** list. The attitude of this list is one of it's most
valued properties. As a   "new" admin (in the exchange realm) this list has
forced me to be very, very diligent in my study and in the administration on
my company's investment. If this list should become user friendly it will
loose the school master appeal. I'm sure that we all have a school master
that we would like to go back and thank 10 or 15 years on.

just my $.02
--steve



> -Original Message-
> From: Josefowski, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:40 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: User Friendly Exchange List
> 
> 
> The list is what it is.  It has a reputation, and lives up to 
> it, but if you
> do need help, it is an invaluable resource.  People forget 
> the one thing
> that could save them before they post to any list:  subscribe 
> for a few days
> to get the feel of it.  Think before you post.  I listened 
> for a couple of
> weeks before I was brave enough to post a reply, and was 
> quite honestly
> tickled when my answer was affirmed by one of the elders.
> 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry A. Duncan MCP, MCT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:47 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: OT: User Friendly Exchange List
> 
> 
> I normally would never do such a thing, but after watching the tone of
> this group for some time now and seeing compliants on other 
> lists about
> the abusive nature of it's elders, I've taken it upon myself 
> to create an
> alternative Exchange mail list that will be user friendly, polite and
> sensitive to new Admin needs.
> 
> This is not an attack on you or your methods, just a realization that
> different people learn different ways and it's time to have an
> alternative.
> 
> I wish the Swynk Exchange mail list well, and I hope you'll 
> do the same
> for us.
> 
> For those interested in joining this new list, you can feel 
> free to do so
> at: http://www.topica.com/lists/msexchange.
> 
> 
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