RE: OT: WAS Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, it does not mean that you unethical for not agreeing with my position on MVP's. No, it makes you sensible. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: OT: WAS Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 No, sorry, I don't see. Hey, I made an honest mistake and apologized for it. And I am sincere in my apology. What more do you want? Are you saying that you can't make a mistake and apologize for it? That seems a bit, well, crazy. And I wasn't trying to lighten the mood, I really thought he was that guy that keeps posting in yoda-speak. Is it Ely? Who knows, when you get attacked out of the blue by so many people it is a bit hard to keep track of all the malcontents. No, it does not mean that you unethical for not agreeing with my position on MVP's. It means that you are wrong, but not unethical. My opinion, of course. The other thing that you are wrong about, and this time it is not just my opinion, you can check the facts, I DIDN'T bring up this whole MVP stuff. I posted a question about migrating GW6.5 to Exchange. And this list of such supposedly helpful individuals chose to attack me. I believe it was Ed that actually brought up the MVP stuff, not I. You are dead wrong. Again, I specifically try to avoid these kinds of discussion because I have better things to do with my time. But, if people are going to insist on bringing this stuff up ad nauseam, I'm going to take the opportunity to educate and persuade. Certifications are another matter. No, I am not an MCSE although I do hold certain vendor certifications. I have these certifications in order to get cheap software to run my business. But, as you should notice, I hold these certifications but do not advertise that fact. To do so would be, well, in poor taste. My opinion, of course. I have well established and particular views on certifications. Again, these are vendor-based and therefore meaningless in my view. Unethical? Hmm, I'd have to give that some thought. I suppose there might be an argument in there somewhere, but I consider vendor certifications more irrelevant versus unethical. Really, a whole different discussion. And, I just gotta say...a starving child reference?!?!?! I mean...what? So now I'm taking food out of the mouths of children because I believe that accepting a vendor honorarium is unethical? I...I...I literally don't even know what to say to something that incredibly inane. That one takes the cake. Nice use of the word glean though. Kudos. I love that word, glean, but don't get too much of a chance to use it. I also hate the word kudo...oh well. See, Greg? There's a point to be gleaned from your response which = numerous individuals have been trying to make and I happen to agree. = From what I can see, you verbally accosted Jim without prior provocation = and then recanted. Sorry doesn't cut it and neither does your extremely = poor attempt at humor to lighten the mood. Ya...I see your Schwartz is = as big as mine.. [no shot at you, Jim!] I am aware of Jim, his career, his professionalism, his reputation [from = this and other lists] and happen to know he is a member of two different = professions [one being IT], each with their own professional codes of = ethics [written or unwritten] and the two worlds don't collide. As I = see things, the two professions work very well with each other, can't = really operate without each other and the two arenas apparently have no = problems with titles, honorary or otherwise, ethics and, in fact, = encourage certifications and memberships in elite groups. Could that = include being an MVP? Sure! Would obtaining MSCE credentials help in = the IT arena? Of course! Would those memberships have any negative = impact on either of the worlds Jim or numerous others work in? No. = Like many others on this list, I care not if Jim, Ed, or hundreds of = others [Hi Missy!] are green, pink or live in Sunken R'lyeh - the = knowledge these highly experienced and helpful individuals carry and = impart to others for, well, NOTHING, is worth the price of this list's = membership. Experience speaks volumes over titles and certifications = yet titles can and do boost credibility in many cases. If helping = others deploy and maintain a Microsoft product while *NOT* being on = Microsoft's payroll and said individual is honored with a title of MVP = [one doesn't sign up or ask for that, ya know - it's given] and *IF* = named MVP gets a key chain or a kewpie doll dressed like Bill Gates or a = CD case with my grandmother's picture on it for his or her time and = trouble, then I say why not. Unethical? Hell no. Vendor whore? Maybe = - and I really don't mind at all. Doesn't change
OT: WAS Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
See, Greg? There's a point to be gleaned from your response which numerous individuals have been trying to make and I happen to agree. From what I can see, you verbally accosted Jim without prior provocation and then recanted. Sorry doesn't cut it and neither does your extremely poor attempt at humor to lighten the mood. Ya...I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.. [no shot at you, Jim!] I am aware of Jim, his career, his professionalism, his reputation [from this and other lists] and happen to know he is a member of two different professions [one being IT], each with their own professional codes of ethics [written or unwritten] and the two worlds don't collide. As I see things, the two professions work very well with each other, can't really operate without each other and the two arenas apparently have no problems with titles, honorary or otherwise, ethics and, in fact, encourage certifications and memberships in elite groups. Could that include being an MVP? Sure! Would obtaining MSCE credentials help in the IT arena? Of course! Would those memberships have any negative impact on either of the worlds Jim or numerous others work in? No. Like many others on this list, I care not if Jim, Ed, or hundreds of others [Hi Missy!] are green, pink or live in Sunken R'lyeh - the knowledge these highly experienced and helpful individuals carry and impart to others for, well, NOTHING, is worth the price of this list's membership. Experience speaks volumes over titles and certifications yet titles can and do boost credibility in many cases. If helping others deploy and maintain a Microsoft product while *NOT* being on Microsoft's payroll and said individual is honored with a title of MVP [one doesn't sign up or ask for that, ya know - it's given] and *IF* named MVP gets a key chain or a kewpie doll dressed like Bill Gates or a CD case with my grandmother's picture on it for his or her time and trouble, then I say why not. Unethical? Hell no. Vendor whore? Maybe - and I really don't mind at all. Doesn't change my attitude nor does it impact my respect for these folks. Does that make me unethical for not agreeing with you about someone else's ethics? I don't care to know your answer because I, and those who know me, know better than you. Nothing more to see here - citizens move along. I've been on this list for 4 or 5 years and whether you were around at inception, I have no knowledge. What I *do* know is every time you post to a thread you impose your theory of professional IT ethics, imply or outright accuse individuals of being unethical and wrong according to your standards, the topic goes south and for the next 3 days it's all about you and your semantics. I'll give you credit for standing your ground but we've all heard it ad nauseum and I don't believe any amount of rhetoric on your part is going to change any minds so would you please do us all a favor and either drop the drama queen/diva attitude or drop off to Sunken R'lyeh? Oh - are you an MCSE? Would having those initials behind your name enhance your credibility, marketability, business ventures and/or profits? Would obtaining such a title be unethical and wrong? If having those credentials put food in your children's mouths and a roof over their heads, would your attitude change any? Splash. Out. Barry J. Horner NT Server/Exchange/WWW Administrator Central Community College - Grand Island, NE (V) 308.398.7361(F) 308.398.7399 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I apologize. I responded and did not pay attention to the actual from address. I thought that you were that yoda guy. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: WAS Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, sorry, I don't see. Hey, I made an honest mistake and apologized for it. And I am sincere in my apology. What more do you want? Are you saying that you can't make a mistake and apologize for it? That seems a bit, well, crazy. And I wasn't trying to lighten the mood, I really thought he was that guy that keeps posting in yoda-speak. Is it Ely? Who knows, when you get attacked out of the blue by so many people it is a bit hard to keep track of all the malcontents. No, it does not mean that you unethical for not agreeing with my position on MVP's. It means that you are wrong, but not unethical. My opinion, of course. The other thing that you are wrong about, and this time it is not just my opinion, you can check the facts, I DIDN'T bring up this whole MVP stuff. I posted a question about migrating GW6.5 to Exchange. And this list of such supposedly helpful individuals chose to attack me. I believe it was Ed that actually brought up the MVP stuff, not I. You are dead wrong. Again, I specifically try to avoid these kinds of discussion because I have better things to do with my time. But, if people are going to insist on bringing this stuff up ad nauseam, I'm going to take the opportunity to educate and persuade. Certifications are another matter. No, I am not an MCSE although I do hold certain vendor certifications. I have these certifications in order to get cheap software to run my business. But, as you should notice, I hold these certifications but do not advertise that fact. To do so would be, well, in poor taste. My opinion, of course. I have well established and particular views on certifications. Again, these are vendor-based and therefore meaningless in my view. Unethical? Hmm, I'd have to give that some thought. I suppose there might be an argument in there somewhere, but I consider vendor certifications more irrelevant versus unethical. Really, a whole different discussion. And, I just gotta say...a starving child reference?!?!?! I mean...what? So now I'm taking food out of the mouths of children because I believe that accepting a vendor honorarium is unethical? I...I...I literally don't even know what to say to something that incredibly inane. That one takes the cake. Nice use of the word glean though. Kudos. I love that word, glean, but don't get too much of a chance to use it. I also hate the word kudo...oh well. See, Greg? There's a point to be gleaned from your response which = numerous individuals have been trying to make and I happen to agree. = From what I can see, you verbally accosted Jim without prior provocation = and then recanted. Sorry doesn't cut it and neither does your extremely = poor attempt at humor to lighten the mood. Ya...I see your Schwartz is = as big as mine.. [no shot at you, Jim!] I am aware of Jim, his career, his professionalism, his reputation [from = this and other lists] and happen to know he is a member of two different = professions [one being IT], each with their own professional codes of = ethics [written or unwritten] and the two worlds don't collide. As I = see things, the two professions work very well with each other, can't = really operate without each other and the two arenas apparently have no = problems with titles, honorary or otherwise, ethics and, in fact, = encourage certifications and memberships in elite groups. Could that = include being an MVP? Sure! Would obtaining MSCE credentials help in = the IT arena? Of course! Would those memberships have any negative = impact on either of the worlds Jim or numerous others work in? No. = Like many others on this list, I care not if Jim, Ed, or hundreds of = others [Hi Missy!] are green, pink or live in Sunken R'lyeh - the = knowledge these highly experienced and helpful individuals carry and = impart to others for, well, NOTHING, is worth the price of this list's = membership. Experience speaks volumes over titles and certifications = yet titles can and do boost credibility in many cases. If helping = others deploy and maintain a Microsoft product while *NOT* being on = Microsoft's payroll and said individual is honored with a title of MVP = [one doesn't sign up or ask for that, ya know - it's given] and *IF* = named MVP gets a key chain or a kewpie doll dressed like Bill Gates or a = CD case with my grandmother's picture on it for his or her time and = trouble, then I say why not. Unethical? Hell no. Vendor whore? Maybe = - and I really don't mind at all. Doesn't change my attitude nor does = it impact my respect for these folks. Does that make me unethical for = not agreeing with you about someone else's ethics? I don't care to know = your answer because I, and those who know me, know better than you. = Nothing more to see here - citizens move along. I've been on this list for 4 or 5 years and whether you were around at = inception, I have no knowledge. What I *do* know is every time you post = to a thread you impose your
