RE: Blocking a newsletter
If it isn't in writing, I don't go there. If there's a lawsuit, I have that permission in writing. -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title. As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems them might be having? We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day. We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox. But does that mean you should? No. I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the contents were. But I have worked with some people who have done it. There's where the trust has to come into play. I even showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes. They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the news
RE: Blocking a newsletter
As a landlord as well, I pay a management company to take care of those things. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Way back when I was an administrator, I never opened a mailbox unless I was on the phone with the person and asked for permission first. I'm also a landlord. I'd never let myself into one of my tenant's apartments without first asking permission unless it was on fire or water was running out of it. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, granted specific permissions, I have that ability. I for one, NEVER access users' mailboxes. Ever. Should there be such a need the manager of the person requesting access is granted access. Such access is not a 'right'. William Lefkovics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your job to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem, or if asked to by their manager/supervisor. As any Mail Administrator should tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an Exchange Administrator? I don't think so. The company has that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull. However, if it is something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different. Dennis -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
RE: Blocking a newsletter
So act when all hell breaks loose. Or ask the CEO if he wants you to act as censor. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce the policy. Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something offensive. Then all hell breaks loose. And indeed as with any job there are ethics of behavior. Jim -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title. As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems them might be having? We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day. We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox. But does that mean you should? No. I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the contents were. But I have worked with some people who have done it. There's where the trust has to come into play. I even showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes. They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exce
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Way back when I was an administrator, I never opened a mailbox unless I was on the phone with the person and asked for permission first. I'm also a landlord. I'd never let myself into one of my tenant's apartments without first asking permission unless it was on fire or water was running out of it. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, granted specific permissions, I have that ability. I for one, NEVER access users' mailboxes. Ever. Should there be such a need the manager of the person requesting access is granted access. Such access is not a 'right'. William Lefkovics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your job to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem, or if asked to by their manager/supervisor. As any Mail Administrator should tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an Exchange Administrator? I don't think so. The company has that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull. However, if it is something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different. Dennis -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _
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Perhaps you should add "Babysitter" to your job title! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Management knows I run scanmail with emanager and have the filter to catch profanity among other things. When a message meets the criteria it is archived and I look at the messages only then. I have already made the decision to make no exceptions and expect everyone to follow the AUP. Jim -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
"Now come on Father, what would you say to a nice cup of tea?" -Original Message- From: Great Cthulhu Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter If you don't like it, then do like Father Jack and yell, "DRINK! GIRLS! FECK!" a lot. Sure makes the day fly by. (:= [snip] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If it violates policy, let HR send out the order to block the specific word in emails. If someone's mailbox needs to be browsed and ripped through, let the C*O do it and the IT guy stay out of the way. In other words, there is no technical solution. It's up to a given company to determine what it wants its level of liability to be. If you don't like it, then do like Father Jack and yell, "DRINK! GIRLS! FECK!" a lot. Sure makes the day fly by. (:= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Yea but the question is the word "f^uck" really something that violates a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
It's not up to you to tell what is or is not against a company policy. You don't have to understand it.. --B. There is no better way to exercise the imagination than the study of the law. No artist ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth. -- Jean Giradoux At 13:37 18-12-2002 -0800, you wrote: Yea but the question is the word "f^uck" really something that violates a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce the policy. Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something offensive. Then all hell breaks loose. And indeed as with any job there are ethics of behavior. Jim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Yea but the question is the word "f^uck" really something that violates a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce the policy. Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something offensive. Then all hell breaks loose. And indeed as with any job there are ethics of behavior. Jim -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title. As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems them might be having? We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day. We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox. But does that mean you should? No. I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the contents were. But I have worked with some people who have done it. There's where the trust has to come into play. I even showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes. They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an except
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Well, in Finland working for a telecommunications operator (little known fact :) and asp, just starting to look at logs, who sent what to whom would get me jailed up for up to 3 years without the appropriate permissions from the people involved :-P . It's like you were tapping somebodys phone but graver since you have the control you do when managing the systems. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18. joulukuuta 2002 23:21 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter IANAL, but I do know that the legality of accessing mail in a mailbox varies greatly depending on the jurisdiction. And since IANAL, I know better than to try and figure out whether it may or may not be legal for myself or someone else to do so. I leave that determination to the blood sucking ogres we pay to know such things. On 12/18/02 13:47, "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce the policy. Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something offensive. Then all hell breaks loose. And indeed as with any job there are ethics of behavior. Jim -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title. As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems them might be having? We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day. We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox. But does that mean you should? No. I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the contents were. But I have worked with some people who have done it. There's where the trust has to come into play. I even showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes. They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel
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IANAL, but I do know that the legality of accessing mail in a mailbox varies greatly depending on the jurisdiction. And since IANAL, I know better than to try and figure out whether it may or may not be legal for myself or someone else to do so. I leave that determination to the blood sucking ogres we pay to know such things. On 12/18/02 13:47, "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Funny. My dictionary doesn't have the word Exchange Administrator in it. Oh well, guess everything I said before you can forget. LOL Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I think you need to check the Dictionary.com site again. <> That implies not only the ability, but the sanction. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter That's what I said in the beginning. You may the "rights" to do it, but that doesn't mean you should. I don't go anywhere that a manager or supervisor tells me to. We get User requests all the time asking for access to a User's mailbox that has left the Company. We bounce it back to them and tell them they need managerial approval. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Um, no. Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email. I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts. The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given. Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be fired. If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied. there is a difference. www.dictionary.com? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think you need to check the Dictionary.com site again. <> That implies not only the ability, but the sanction. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:52 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter That's what I said in the beginning. You may the "rights" to do it, but that doesn't mean you should. I don't go anywhere that a manager or supervisor tells me to. We get User requests all the time asking for access to a User's mailbox that has left the Company. We bounce it back to them and tell them they need managerial approval. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Um, no. Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email. I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts. The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given. Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be fired. If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied. there is a difference. www.dictionary.com? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's what I said in the beginning. You may the "rights" to do it, but that doesn't mean you should. I don't go anywhere that a manager or supervisor tells me to. We get User requests all the time asking for access to a User's mailbox that has left the Company. We bounce it back to them and tell them they need managerial approval. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Um, no. Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email. I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts. The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given. Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be fired. If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied. there is a difference. www.dictionary.com? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http
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Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title. As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems them might be having? We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day. We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox. But does that mean you should? No. I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the contents were. But I have worked with some people who have done it. There's where the trust has to come into play. I even showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes. They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting
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Um, no. Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email. I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts. The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given. Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be fired. If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied. there is a difference. www.dictionary.com? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/
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>>there is implicit trust That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not touching it. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search
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Of course they know... they made the decision to run it, right? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Management knows I run scanmail with emanager and have the filter to catch profanity among other things. When a message meets the criteria it is archived and I look at the messages only then. I have already made the decision to make no exceptions and expect everyone to follow the AUP. Jim -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, granted specific permissions, I have that ability. I for one, NEVER access users' mailboxes. Ever. Should there be such a need the manager of the person requesting access is granted access. Such access is not a 'right'. William Lefkovics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey Edwards Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your job to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem, or if asked to by their manager/supervisor. As any Mail Administrator should tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an Exchange Administrator? I don't think so. The company has that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull. However, if it is something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different. Dennis -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: htt
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My gut reaction to taking a hit of Diet Pepsi would be to hurl. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter > > > My gut reaction would be to take a hit of diet pepsi and ask > myself why I felt so threatened by this newsletter. If i > still felt this way after i finished the whole can, I'd > probably go and ask them why, and if it were not for work > purposes I'd ask them to consider unsubbing. > > But then by the time I drunk a whole tin of pepsi I would > probably have remembered something else more important to the > running of the network to do instead. > > -Original Message- > From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wed 18/12/2002 16:14 > To: Exchange Discussions > Cc: > Subject: Blocking a newsletter > > > > Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or > appears to be) to the > f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name > there is other > profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company > policy or let it slide? > My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are > subscribed and then politely > ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing > sent to a work > address. > > Jim Liddil > > > _ > List posting FAQ: > http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .+--xm ,)ç³r(ﺷ \bಽ!豶 0 ê§&zÇì°±rí¥¬:.Ë mé[hyâ½´\z[,ç°)râZ Zvh䲧+-iÙ¢2à«G( _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's not true. As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO. You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail system. You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about. It may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others. And I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive documents. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, no they don't. In fact, I know of multiple occasions in which people (including coworkers of mine) were fired for accessing someone else's mailbox without prior approval. Yes, the email is the company's property. That does not imply, however, that the admins can look through it at their leisure. In most companies, including every one in which I have worked, its an instantly terminatable offense. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter > > > Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to > browse ANYONE's > mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't > be anything in > there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. > Remember -- > the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. > > Gèoff... > > > -Original Message- > From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter > > > From my point of view: > If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a > written order, > what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, > and can get > you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is > normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an > exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your > armour that > will be used and abused by everyone. > > I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I > must tell you, > taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it > because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places > Hummert considers > normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. > Sincerly, > > Rachel > > -Original Message- > From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Blocking a newsletter > > > Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to > be) to the > f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other > profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy > or let it slide? > My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then > politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of > thing sent to a > work address. > > Jim Liddil > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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that's not necessarily true. Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has to be tasked with it. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My gut reaction would be to take a hit of diet pepsi and ask myself why I felt so
threatened by this newsletter. If i still felt this way after i finished the whole
can, I'd probably go and ask them why, and if it were not for work purposes I'd ask
them to consider unsubbing.
But then by the time I drunk a whole tin of pepsi I would probably have remembered
something else more important to the running of the network to do instead.
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Subject: Blocking a newsletter
Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.
Jim Liddil
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RE: Blocking a newsletter
I disagree with you. As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your job to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem, or if asked to by their manager/supervisor. As any Mail Administrator should tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an Exchange Administrator? I don't think so. The company has that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull. However, if it is something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different. Dennis -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I hate those guys -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Damn Hummerts keep posting. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Hummert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Damn liberals keep screwing everything up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTE
RE: Blocking a newsletter
While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an Exchange Administrator? I don't think so. The company has that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull. However, if it is something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different. Dennis -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
We just went through the same thing pertaining strictly to emails. No personal emails that you wouldn't want the Company to see and access at all times to anyone's mailbox. In this day and age, too many lawsuits are swayed by emails that documented an employee or employer's actions. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Alexander Wall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
No need to shout. Yes he has the right, but it should be excercised with caution and the boss backing you 100%. But the way it the original message read to me ( and that perception has been cleared up) He have been randomly sampling for his own amusement. He wasn't. I have known very ignorant or un-ethical admins. that would and do. Don't look at the clients email without a reason. He had reason and policy backing him, and he chose to stick with policy. Very ethical of him. rachel -Original Message- From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking a newsletter
Damn Hummerts keep posting. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Hummert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Damn liberals keep screwing everything up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
block it all... -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Damn liberals keep screwing everything up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Damn liberals keep screwing everything up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking a newsletter
Well, that opens an entirely different discussion. We drafted a consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file. In this day and age, with "human rights" litigation running rampant, a company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues. Alex - Original Message - From: "Dale Geoffrey Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Rachel: As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail. That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc. It is THEIRS. Gèoff... -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Management knows I run scanmail with emanager and have the filter to catch profanity among other things. When a message meets the criteria it is archived and I look at the messages only then. I have already made the decision to make no exceptions and expect everyone to follow the AUP. Jim -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
Forums.somethingawful.com come join us in FYAD..you'll love it there :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter >From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Blocking a newsletter
>From my point of view: If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone. I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly, Rachel -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jim, Phytoceutica is a big company that makes really complex medicine-thingies. You have access to brilliant lawyers. WTF are you talking to a bunch of techno-weenies for? Print out your AUP and go walk into your general counsel's office. -tom -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Blocking a newsletter Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just figure out whether I like the person or not, and base it on my personal opinion. It's good to be king! ;-) Alex - Original Message - From: "Drew Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 09:43 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter If they forward that email, and someone gets offended, it's a different issue. But simply subscribing to it? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If they forward that email, and someone gets offended, it's a different issue. But simply subscribing to it? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Check with HR. Put the ball in their court. - Original Message - From: "James Liddil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yea but there's a difference between the context of @ss-raped (which is a description of a violent act upon another person) and f^ckedcompany (which describes a company). Seems like 2 different lines to me -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped? Sure it is a fine line. Jim -Original Message- From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree. The only thing that hurts them is the name. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter One could argue that the newsletter is similar to subscribing to the WSJ newsletter or a Motley Fool newsletter, since it provides insight into companies which may be in your industry or which the user might be invested. I browse the f-kedcompany.com website once a month at least to see what's going on in the industry... I've even forwarded content to my boss. Not knowing what the company policy is though.. Not sure I can offer guidance. On 12/18/02 10:14, "James Liddil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You could also argue that the content on that website leads to better business decisions within your own company, by pointing out the stupidity of others -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter One could argue that the newsletter is similar to subscribing to the WSJ newsletter or a Motley Fool newsletter, since it provides insight into companies which may be in your industry or which the user might be invested. I browse the f-kedcompany.com website once a month at least to see what's going on in the industry... I've even forwarded content to my boss. Not knowing what the company policy is though.. Not sure I can offer guidance. On 12/18/02 10:14, "James Liddil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone? Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking a newsletter
One could argue that the newsletter is similar to subscribing to the WSJ newsletter or a Motley Fool newsletter, since it provides insight into companies which may be in your industry or which the user might be invested. I browse the f-kedcompany.com website once a month at least to see what's going on in the industry... I've even forwarded content to my boss. Not knowing what the company policy is though.. Not sure I can offer guidance. On 12/18/02 10:14, "James Liddil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh here's an interesting story about Robin Wolaner who worked for Cnet and blocked access to f^uckedcompany.com. She was harassed and humiliated by the people that checked out that site that she actually quit her job http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=7 http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1164 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No you should let it go. It's a pretty good news letter. Check out the site and see what I mean, they basically talk about how screwed up some company policies are and they have good stories on them. Thus the name -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Blocking a newsletter Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the f^ckedcompany.com newsletter. Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the newsletter. So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work address. Jim Liddil _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
