RE: Internet Email
I guess I'll install an IMS. I know the config isn't supported by MS but it has worked for years so I thought I'd see if anyone had the same problem. Thanks for your help!!! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email
I guess that you are using Outlook to connect to Exchange. What client are you using for Internet email? -Original Message- From: Rob Talkington III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 July 2003 13:19 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Internet Email This is the first time I've posted here and I couldn't find a search function. I use Exchange 5.5 SP4 and Outlook 2000 clients. We have our email hosted by a third party but use Exchange locally. We do not have IMS running on Exchange but have been able to send and receive internet email for years. Monday I came in and for some reason no one can send internet email anymore. Receiving it is fine but sending it generates a Non Delivery Report immediately after clicking on "Send". I did not change anything on Exchange the weekend prior. I have searched many discussions and cannot find an answer that pertains to our problem. Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thanks! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient(s). If you have received the e-mail in error please notify the author by replying to this e-mail and delete it and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised disclosure, use, or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. Any views or opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are not necessarily endorsed by The Company, and The Company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. The Company does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in any way from its receipt or use or for any errors or omissions in its contents, which may arise as a result of its transmission. This email is covered by The Company Terms and Conditions of Business, a copy of which can be obtained on request. ** ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email
I'm a simpleton.. but from your description it sounds to me like you have each and every client workstation pop'ing their mail from your third party... "We do not have IMS running on Exchange but have been able to send and receive internet email for years. " maybe your third party updated/changed something? maybe it may thinks your trying to relay thru them (I've had troubles with covad's mail servers think that on occasion) maybe a quick telnet to the POP and SMTP server on the third party to see if you can communicate with it in general?? just some ideas bill -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email What does the NDR say? -Original Message- From: Rob Talkington III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:19 AM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Internet Email Subject: Internet Email This is the first time I've posted here and I couldn't find a search function. I use Exchange 5.5 SP4 and Outlook 2000 clients. We have our email hosted by a third party but use Exchange locally. Monday I came in and for some reason no one can send internet email anymore. Receiving it is fine but sending it generates a Non Delivery Report immediately after clicking on "Send". I did not change anything on Exchange the weekend prior. I have searched many discussions and cannot find an answer that pertains to our problem. Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thanks! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email
Oh... Both services in the same profile? Not a supported config in that version. Upgrade to Outlook 2002, it supports that config, or install an IMS which is much simpler. -Original Message- From: Rob Talkington III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:19 AM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Internet Email Subject: Internet Email This is the first time I've posted here and I couldn't find a search function. I use Exchange 5.5 SP4 and Outlook 2000 clients. We have our email hosted by a third party but use Exchange locally. We do not have IMS running on Exchange but have been able to send and receive internet email for years. Monday I came in and for some reason no one can send internet email anymore. Receiving it is fine but sending it generates a Non Delivery Report immediately after clicking on "Send". I did not change anything on Exchange the weekend prior. I have searched many discussions and cannot find an answer that pertains to our problem. Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thanks! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email
What does the NDR say? -Original Message- From: Rob Talkington III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:19 AM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Internet Email Subject: Internet Email This is the first time I've posted here and I couldn't find a search function. I use Exchange 5.5 SP4 and Outlook 2000 clients. We have our email hosted by a third party but use Exchange locally. We do not have IMS running on Exchange but have been able to send and receive internet email for years. Monday I came in and for some reason no one can send internet email anymore. Receiving it is fine but sending it generates a Non Delivery Report immediately after clicking on "Send". I did not change anything on Exchange the weekend prior. I have searched many discussions and cannot find an answer that pertains to our problem. Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thanks! Rob _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
I've seen that happen sporatically in the past - sometimes the only indication is that there are spool files in the mtadata directory. Never sorted it out, but a restart usually fixes it. Nice catch. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Brown, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:49 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Continuing various lines of investigation as to where this email had > disappeared to I investigated the MTA Perfmon counters. The > MTA Work Queue > Length was around 2000 with fluctuations up and down. None of the MTA > Queues would show anything about 0. Using MTA Connections for the IMC > showed 0 in the queue but Queue bytes was very large. > > Based on this I restarted the MTA and all the email that had > been sent since > I deleted the server and before putting the workaround into place was > re-routed to the IMC in Site2. > > I will be testing out of hours with the local IMC set back to > a cost of 1 > whether it will now send email properly. > > Any ideas as to why these emails weren't showing up in any queue? > > Thanks > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Brown, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:41 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where > the mail was > going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? > > Mark > > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Ok - with the work around in place, I'd think the next step would be to remove and reinstall the IMS on the server. I'd also think that you missed something when removing the first server from the site - have you followed every step in Q152959? -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Brown, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > understand. > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra intranet > product that provides connectivity within our organisation (Private IP > addresses). Telstra also provides internet access through > the same Frame > Relay service using NAT. So all our machines have access to > the internet. > Each Exchange server is configured to send external email > from that site via > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site > that is having > problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new > server to replace > it, moved everything across. Stopped all the services on the > first and > verified everything was working. Once the server was deleted > Internet email > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send > all email via > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site > to 10, made > sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated > the routing), > now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost effective > solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from here > onto the Frame > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go > out to the > Internet. > > > Mark > > -Original Message----- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and > do recal/update > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I > sent several > messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test > that haven't been > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I > track one of these > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. > It doesn't go > anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it > gets submitted to > the correct IMC and tracked properly. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Well, it goes somewhere! > > When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the > users outboxes? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved > all connectors, I > created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the > first server, ran > like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, > Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email > via another site. > As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet > Email stopped > working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the > message being > submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server > before you got > rid of the 1st one? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions &g
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Continuing various lines of investigation as to where this email had disappeared to I investigated the MTA Perfmon counters. The MTA Work Queue Length was around 2000 with fluctuations up and down. None of the MTA Queues would show anything about 0. Using MTA Connections for the IMC showed 0 in the queue but Queue bytes was very large. Based on this I restarted the MTA and all the email that had been sent since I deleted the server and before putting the workaround into place was re-routed to the IMC in Site2. I will be testing out of hours with the local IMC set back to a cost of 1 whether it will now send email properly. Any ideas as to why these emails weren't showing up in any queue? Thanks Mark -Original Message- From: Brown, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where the mail was going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Email Blackhole
Well then call PSS then. - Original Message - From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > I can use Outlook Express to send email externally by specifying the > Exchange server as the SMTP server. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:45 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole > > > What happens if you send mail via a telnet session from the server where the > user's mailbox resides. Does it get sent? > > - Original Message - > From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:40 PM > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where the mail > > was going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:38 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > Hope you let us know what the solution is after you call PSS. It still > > sounds like a routing problem though. Good Luck > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > > > understand. > > > > > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra > > > intranet product that provides connectivity within our organisation > > > (Private IP addresses). Telstra also provides internet access > > > through the same Frame Relay service using NAT. So all our machines > > > have access to the internet. Each Exchange server is configured to > > > send external email from that site > > via > > > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is > > > having problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new > > > server to replace it, moved everything across. Stopped all the > > > services on the first and verified everything was working. Once the > > > server was deleted Internet > > email > > > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all > > > email > > via > > > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, > > > made sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the > > > routing), now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost > > > effective solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from > > > here onto the > > Frame > > > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to > > > the Internet. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do > > recal/update > > > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > > > > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > > > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent > > > several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test > > > that haven't > > been > > > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one > > > of > > these > > > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It > > > doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem > > > it gets su
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
I can use Outlook Express to send email externally by specifying the Exchange server as the SMTP server. Mark -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole What happens if you send mail via a telnet session from the server where the user's mailbox resides. Does it get sent? - Original Message - From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where the mail > was going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:38 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Hope you let us know what the solution is after you call PSS. It still > sounds like a routing problem though. Good Luck > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > > understand. > > > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra > > intranet product that provides connectivity within our organisation > > (Private IP addresses). Telstra also provides internet access > > through the same Frame Relay service using NAT. So all our machines > > have access to the internet. Each Exchange server is configured to > > send external email from that site > via > > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is > > having problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new > > server to replace it, moved everything across. Stopped all the > > services on the first and verified everything was working. Once the > > server was deleted Internet > email > > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all > > email > via > > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, > > made sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the > > routing), now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost > > effective solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from > > here onto the > Frame > > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to > > the Internet. > > > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do > recal/update > > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent > > several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test > > that haven't > been > > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one > > of > these > > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It > > doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem > > it gets submitted > to > > the correct IMC and tracked properly. > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > Well, it goes somewhere! > > > > When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users > > outboxes? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Re: Internet Email Blackhole
What happens if you send mail via a telnet session from the server where the user's mailbox resides. Does it get sent? - Original Message - From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where the mail was > going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:38 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Hope you let us know what the solution is after you call PSS. It still > sounds like a routing problem though. Good Luck > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > > understand. > > > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra intranet > > product that provides connectivity within our organisation (Private IP > > addresses). Telstra also provides internet access through the same > > Frame Relay service using NAT. So all our machines have access to the > > internet. Each Exchange server is configured to send external email > > from that site > via > > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is > > having problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new server > > to replace it, moved everything across. Stopped all the services on > > the first and verified everything was working. Once the server was > > deleted Internet > email > > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all > > email > via > > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, > > made sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the > > routing), now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost > > effective solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from > > here onto the > Frame > > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to > > the Internet. > > > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do > recal/update > > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent > > several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that > > haven't > been > > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of > these > > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It > > doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it > > gets submitted > to > > the correct IMC and tracked properly. > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > Well, it goes somewhere! > > > > When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users > > outboxes? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > > > > I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all > > connectors, > I > > created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first > > server, > ran > > like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, > > Directory Replic
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
If it was a routing problem wouldn't I be able to find where the mail was going? Wouldn't it be queued somewhere? Mark -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 11:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Internet Email Blackhole Hope you let us know what the solution is after you call PSS. It still sounds like a routing problem though. Good Luck - Original Message - From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > understand. > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra intranet > product that provides connectivity within our organisation (Private IP > addresses). Telstra also provides internet access through the same > Frame Relay service using NAT. So all our machines have access to the > internet. Each Exchange server is configured to send external email > from that site via > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is > having problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new server > to replace it, moved everything across. Stopped all the services on > the first and verified everything was working. Once the server was > deleted Internet email > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all > email via > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, > made sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the > routing), now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost > effective solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from > here onto the Frame > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to > the Internet. > > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do recal/update > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent > several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that > haven't been > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of these > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It > doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it > gets submitted to > the correct IMC and tracked properly. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Well, it goes somewhere! > > When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users > outboxes? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all > connectors, I > created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first > server, ran > like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, > Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. > As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email > stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the > message being > submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before > you got > rid of the 1st one? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Yes > >
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Hope you let us know what the solution is after you call PSS. It still sounds like a routing problem though. Good Luck - Original Message - From: "Brown, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't > understand. > > All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra intranet > product that provides connectivity within our organisation (Private IP > addresses). Telstra also provides internet access through the same Frame > Relay service using NAT. So all our machines have access to the internet. > Each Exchange server is configured to send external email from that site via > their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is having > problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new server to replace > it, moved everything across. Stopped all the services on the first and > verified everything was working. Once the server was deleted Internet email > stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all email via > a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, made > sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the routing), > now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost effective > solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from here onto the Frame > Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to the > Internet. > > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do recal/update > in some orderly fashion in your org. > > How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced > message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent several > messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that haven't been > received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of these > messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It doesn't go > anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it gets submitted to > the correct IMC and tracked properly. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Well, it goes somewhere! > > When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users outboxes? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I > created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran > like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, > Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. > As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped > working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being > submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got > rid of the 1st one? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Yes > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole > > > Was it the original and 1st server in the site? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark > Sen
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
The GWART shows the correct information though. That's what I don't understand. All of our sites have a Frame Relay connection to an Telstra intranet product that provides connectivity within our organisation (Private IP addresses). Telstra also provides internet access through the same Frame Relay service using NAT. So all our machines have access to the internet. Each Exchange server is configured to send external email from that site via their own IMS. Each site has 1 Exchange server. The site that is having problems originally had 1 Exchange server, I built a new server to replace it, moved everything across. Stopped all the services on the first and verified everything was working. Once the server was deleted Internet email stopped working for that site only. My workaround is to send all email via a different site (increased the cost for the IMS in this site to 10, made sure the directory was replicated properly and recalculated the routing), now internet email is working, but this is not a very cost effective solution. Internet email Traffic is now being sent from here onto the Frame Relay to the other site, then back onto the Frame Relay to go out to the Internet. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do recal/update in some orderly fashion in your org. How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that haven't been received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of these messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it gets submitted to the correct IMC and tracked properly. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Well, it goes somewhere! When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users outboxes? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address s
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Likely a GWART issue. You probably need to cycle through and do recal/update in some orderly fashion in your org. How many physical ways do you have out to the Inet? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that haven't been received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of these messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it gets submitted to the correct IMC and tracked properly. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Well, it goes somewhere! When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users outboxes? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Li
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No. From a users point of view the mail goes as normal. No bounced message. The external recipient never receives the email. I sent several messages to an external account of mine on Friday to test that haven't been received, I haven't received any bounced messages. If I track one of these messages I get Message Submitted by Mark Brown. That's it. It doesn't go anywhere else. If I track a message before the problem it gets submitted to the correct IMC and tracked properly. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Well, it goes somewhere! When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users outboxes? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives:
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Well, it goes somewhere! When users compose and send mail do messages stay in the users outboxes? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
I moved all folders including all hidden folders. I moved all connectors, I created a new IMS. I turned all the services off from the first server, ran like that for a week with no lost email. Site Connectors all work, Directory Replication all works, I can send internet email via another site. As soon as I deleted the first server in the site Internet Email stopped working. It doesn't go anywhere. Message Tracking shows the message being submitted by the user, but it doesn't go anywhere else. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:36 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Did you move all the appropriate folders to the other server before you got rid of the 1st one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Yes -Original Message- From: Charles Marriott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 10:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the >actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and >also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
Was it the original and 1st server in the site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brown, Mark Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
-Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 22:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Email Blackhole >My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the actual options for >SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing >tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then >recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. GWART is fine. It shows the workaround that I have put into place. Namely that Site2Exchange via a site connector to Site2 is the primary SMTP route and the secondary SMTP route is Internet Mail Connector on Exchange1. >Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and also verify all >IMS settings. Address space for the IMS is currently SMTP * 10 Organization. Prior to the workaround it was SMTP * 1 Organization. Internet email was working 100% with the first exchange server (Exchange)still in the site but with all services stopped. As soon as I deleted the server out of the site Internet email disappears into a black hole. It isn't getting delivered at all. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Internet Email Blackhole
My first guess is to look at the GWART and see what's showing as the actual options for SMTP message delivery (you can also look at the site addressing properties on the routing tab). That should tell you where the mail is going. Try forcing replication and then recalculating routing to see if the GWART changes. Pay particular attention to the address space assigned to the IMS, and also verify all IMS settings. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA > -Original Message- > From: Brown, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:55 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Internet Email Blackhole > > > We have 1 Exchange Organisation. 5 Sites. > In Site1 we have Exchange and Exchange1. > I successfully moved all recipients, connectors, public > folders etc from > Exchange to Exchange1, including an Internet Mail Service. > I made sure that mail was being sent from and received by > Exchange1's IMS > and the IMS on Exchange was idle. > I stopped all the services on Exchange and left it like that > for a few days. > No problems, no lost email. > On Monday morning I deleted Exchange from the Organisation. > > Since then all email from Site1 sent to the internet has > disappeared without > a trace, no bounce back, no errors in the error log. Using > Message Tracking > I can see that the messages have been submitted to the store, > but haven't > gone to the IMS. The IMS is still successfully receiving > email. Other > sites with their own IMS' have had no problems, and I can track their > messages from Submitted to the store and getting to the IMS. I have > temporarily enabled Site2 to send Internet email from the rest of the > organisation, to get around this problem, but I don't > particular want our > Frame Relay link being hit by all the internet traffic from Site1. > > Any ideas? I'm guessing I should have deleted the IMS on > Exchange before > deleting it from the Organisation? Is there anyway I can fix > this and get > the emails that have been sent. > > Given I have a workaround at the moment I'm not stressing too > much, although > we have a number of disgruntled users that have to go through > their sent > items and forward sent emails to people that haven't received them. > > I'll be contacting PSS on Monday if no-one is able to suggest > a solution. > > Thanks > > Mark Brown > > _ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
