RE: Moving 45 users between sites
Watch all sorts of hell break out after doing it too... Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, and I'm still finding issues a YEAR after migrating people with that option on. Far better is to migrate the rules to a PST from the client side, then reimport them following migration. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
We have never had a single issue with using this option selected! Well I suppose it will be one of those strange Exchange sort of things, what works for one, does not work for another. Hence, confirming what everybody knows, test it first, if it works use it, if it fails try something else. Interested to find out why the Outlook client does export this information correctly but according to you it fails with Exmerge? Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 12:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Watch all sorts of hell break out after doing it too... Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, and I'm still finding issues a YEAR after migrating people with that option on. Far better is to migrate the rules to a PST from the client side, then reimport them following migration. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
The error I see most often is blown links to delegates. The linkage is stored internally as a DN (/o=Org/ou=Site/cn=Recipients/cn=DirName), and is copied verbatim. Changes to the target are not automatically reflected in these links, unless you carry over proxy addresses for those users. In our scenario at the time, we decided not to carry those over, which is part of the issue. Other rule types probably weren't problems, but anything referencing a directory object tanked pretty hard. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites We have never had a single issue with using this option selected! Well I suppose it will be one of those strange Exchange sort of things, what works for one, does not work for another. Hence, confirming what everybody knows, test it first, if it works use it, if it fails try something else. Interested to find out why the Outlook client does export this information correctly but according to you it fails with Exmerge? Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 12:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites Watch all sorts of hell break out after doing it too... Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, and I'm still finding issues a YEAR after migrating people with that option on. Far better is to migrate the rules to a PST from the client side, then reimport them following migration. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
Forgive if I am wrong but actually moving the rules is not an issue for the actual mailbox being moved but is actually affects users that have granted access to a users who's mailbox is being moved. Therefore I suppose our answer to the person in question (see somewhere below) would be yes you can move rules etc but in order to ensure the minimum of problems he/she should: 1. Inform all users to remove delegate access rights for any of the users that are about to be moved. 2. After the move has been completed send an email to his/her users stating that the users can now be granted delegate access again. Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 13:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites The error I see most often is blown links to delegates. The linkage is stored internally as a DN (/o=Org/ou=Site/cn=Recipients/cn=DirName), and is copied verbatim. Changes to the target are not automatically reflected in these links, unless you carry over proxy addresses for those users. In our scenario at the time, we decided not to carry those over, which is part of the issue. Other rule types probably weren't problems, but anything referencing a directory object tanked pretty hard. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites We have never had a single issue with using this option selected! Well I suppose it will be one of those strange Exchange sort of things, what works for one, does not work for another. Hence, confirming what everybody knows, test it first, if it works use it, if it fails try something else. Interested to find out why the Outlook client does export this information correctly but according to you it fails with Exmerge? Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 12:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Watch all sorts of hell break out after doing it too... Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, and I'm still finding issues a YEAR after migrating people with that option on. Far better is to migrate the rules to a PST from the client side, then reimport them following migration. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
Additional point (after offline chat with Roger) is that we missed at least one other possible issue: If somebody has a rule set to forward to a user that is moving these should be deleted and recreated after the move has taken place. Mike -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 13:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Forgive if I am wrong but actually moving the rules is not an issue for the actual mailbox being moved but is actually affects users that have granted access to a users who's mailbox is being moved. Therefore I suppose our answer to the person in question (see somewhere below) would be yes you can move rules etc but in order to ensure the minimum of problems he/she should: 1.Inform all users to remove delegate access rights for any of the users that are about to be moved. 2.After the move has been completed send an email to his/her users stating that the users can now be granted delegate access again. Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 13:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites The error I see most often is blown links to delegates. The linkage is stored internally as a DN (/o=Org/ou=Site/cn=Recipients/cn=DirName), and is copied verbatim. Changes to the target are not automatically reflected in these links, unless you carry over proxy addresses for those users. In our scenario at the time, we decided not to carry those over, which is part of the issue. Other rule types probably weren't problems, but anything referencing a directory object tanked pretty hard. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites We have never had a single issue with using this option selected! Well I suppose it will be one of those strange Exchange sort of things, what works for one, does not work for another. Hence, confirming what everybody knows, test it first, if it works use it, if it fails try something else. Interested to find out why the Outlook client does export this information correctly but according to you it fails with Exmerge? Mike -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 November 2001 12:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites Watch all sorts of hell break out after doing it too... Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, and I'm still finding issues a YEAR after migrating people with that option on. Far better is to migrate the rules to a PST from the client side, then reimport them following migration. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE MCT Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Veitch, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject:RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
Exmerge should be able to move rules etc if the option Associated folder messages is selected. Mike -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 November 2001 23:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Moving 45 users between sites There is no known way to do this without them knowing of the change unless you can get to their workstations and update their profiles while they aren't looking. Even then, they'll lose stuff like rules and out of office settings. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer Corporation (soon to be HP) All your base are belong to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hanji Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Moving 45 users between sites
Exmerge. Or there are a few 3rd party tools available. Regards, Rob Ellis Messaging Consultant Service Delivery Solutions Programmes IBM Global Services DDI: 01256 752845 Mobile: 07974 111867 Fax: 01256 754899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 6:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Moving 45 users between sites Hello. I need to move 45 users from one site to another site, within the same Org (all is 5.5, SP4). The built-in move mailbox wizard works within site. The exmerge will export to .pst, thus, the users will loose their ID in the exchange org... What is the best way to accomplish this? I would like them not to feel this move. (I know I will need to re-build their profile). Thanks! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the personal attention of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any attachments is unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the message. Any representations or commitments expressed in this email are subject to contract. ntl Group Limited _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
