Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Jerry J.
Have an interesting problem. Currently have our exchange server locked
down so that no one can route mail from outside the internal network. Now
we are setting up remote monitoring PC's that are using the internet to
send alerts. But obviously that will not work since they are outside the
internal network. Inputting IP info for each machine is not desired as
there are over 300 machines that will be doing this and their addresses
may change. Looking for a means that these computers can authenticate to
the server. This is something that can be inserted into the code of the
software sending alerts. But I am not seeing a sure fire way to accomplish
this.
So to sum it up, exchange server is locked down so no system outside the
internal network can route mail. Need to find a way that certain systems
that are outside the internal network can route mail thru our server using
some sort or authentication that is hard coded into our software. Or any
other means that anyone can think of.
Thanks

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Re: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Andy David
Why not just use Blat, postie etc on the remote machines?

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Subject: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5


 Have an interesting problem. Currently have our exchange server locked
 down so that no one can route mail from outside the internal network. Now
 we are setting up remote monitoring PC's that are using the internet to
 send alerts. But obviously that will not work since they are outside the
 internal network. Inputting IP info for each machine is not desired as
 there are over 300 machines that will be doing this and their addresses
 may change. Looking for a means that these computers can authenticate to
 the server. This is something that can be inserted into the code of the
 software sending alerts. But I am not seeing a sure fire way to accomplish
 this.
 So to sum it up, exchange server is locked down so no system outside the
 internal network can route mail. Need to find a way that certain systems
 that are outside the internal network can route mail thru our server using
 some sort or authentication that is hard coded into our software. Or any
 other means that anyone can think of.
 Thanks

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Chenault
A few ways I can think of:
1. On the same page where one can put in allowed IP addresses you can add
only clients that authenticate. This, however, would require any POP/IMAP
clients using these servers to have to change their settings.
2. If it is a static set of addresses that are otherwise external to your
org add the domain(s) of those addresses to your routing tab as inbound
and have CRs that reroute to the address.
3. If the external machines have IPs  that all reside in the same subnet,
one that you do not control, have the person who controls that subnet (who
would most likely by your ISP and who would likely have an SMTP server) if
they can route through his box.

I suppose I could come up with some more solutions if I knew the details of
what these boxes are doing, who they are sending to, etc.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5


Have an interesting problem. Currently have our exchange server locked down
so that no one can route mail from outside the internal network. Now we are
setting up remote monitoring PC's that are using the internet to send
alerts. But obviously that will not work since they are outside the internal
network. Inputting IP info for each machine is not desired as there are over
300 machines that will be doing this and their addresses may change. Looking
for a means that these computers can authenticate to the server. This is
something that can be inserted into the code of the software sending alerts.
But I am not seeing a sure fire way to accomplish this. So to sum it up,
exchange server is locked down so no system outside the internal network can
route mail. Need to find a way that certain systems that are outside the
internal network can route mail thru our server using some sort or
authentication that is hard coded into our software. Or any other means that
anyone can think of. Thanks

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Scharff
Have the remote monitoring machines utilize SMTP AUTH or put a basic SMTP
server on the machines doing the monitoring so they can route mail on their
own.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:32 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Have an interesting problem. Currently have our exchange 
 server locked down so that no one can route mail from outside 
 the internal network. Now we are setting up remote monitoring 
 PC's that are using the internet to send alerts. But 
 obviously that will not work since they are outside the 
 internal network. Inputting IP info for each machine is not 
 desired as there are over 300 machines that will be doing 
 this and their addresses may change. Looking for a means that 
 these computers can authenticate to the server. This is 
 something that can be inserted into the code of the software 
 sending alerts. But I am not seeing a sure fire way to 
 accomplish this.
 So to sum it up, exchange server is locked down so no system 
 outside the internal network can route mail. Need to find a 
 way that certain systems that are outside the internal 
 network can route mail thru our server using some sort or 
 authentication that is hard coded into our software. Or any 
 other means that anyone can think of.
 Thanks
 
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Re: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Jerry J.
We do not need an application on the remote machines for sending the
e-mail alerts. Looking for a means of allowing these machines that are on
various other networks around the country to be able to relay thru our
mail server without being an open relay.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Scharff
Oversnipped so I have no idea what you are responding to. 


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 From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:56 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 We do not need an application on the remote machines for 
 sending the e-mail alerts. Looking for a means of allowing 
 these machines that are on various other networks around the 
 country to be able to relay thru our mail server without 
 being an open relay.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Ed Crowley
I think you'll have to figure out how to make these machines
authenticate, or use a VPN.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


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Subject: Re: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5


We do not need an application on the remote machines for sending the
e-mail alerts. Looking for a means of allowing these machines that are
on various other networks around the country to be able to relay thru
our mail server without being an open relay.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Jerry J.
My apologies. Had to walk away before sending message. This was to the
first response about using Blat from Andy. We have full capabilities to
send the e-mails.
I put the smpt server on the local machine out and the programmers do not
think that will be feasible due to the many variables involved at each
site. (their words exactly)
So it looks like I am stuck with trying to resolve this on the exchange
server with something that they can hard code into our remote software.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Scharff
Oversnipped again, but SMTP AUTH seems to meet the desired objective of the
original query.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 My apologies. Had to walk away before sending message. This 
 was to the first response about using Blat from Andy. We have 
 full capabilities to send the e-mails.
 I put the smpt server on the local machine out and the 
 programmers do not think that will be feasible due to the 
 many variables involved at each site. (their words exactly) 
 So it looks like I am stuck with trying to resolve this on 
 the exchange server with something that they can hard code 
 into our remote software.
 
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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Jerry J.
Thanks Chris, I do believe that it exactly what I am needing to do. Now I
have never touched it before so if I set this up on my exchange server and
they hard code the account and password into the software, how will that
affect internal users using Outlook? I am assuming that they will need to
have this account and password entered into they outlook profile
somewhere.
I just do not want to put out a change and bring our e-mailing to a halt.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Scharff
Not sure how your environment is configured, but in mine it doesn't effect
internal users at all. None of my internal users use SMTP... Well, there is
the Mac guy, but his client is already configured to use SMTP AUTH with his
own NT credentials. Adding one or one hundred more user accounts wouldn't
effect his ability to relay though.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:26 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 Thanks Chris, I do believe that it exactly what I am needing 
 to do. Now I have never touched it before so if I set this up 
 on my exchange server and they hard code the account and 
 password into the software, how will that affect internal 
 users using Outlook? I am assuming that they will need to 
 have this account and password entered into they outlook 
 profile somewhere.
 I just do not want to put out a change and bring our 
 e-mailing to a halt.


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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Public Folder: Exchange

Doesn't your internal network accept internet mail in some way?  How do
people address mail to your company?

1. Many ISPs allow SMTP AUTH'ed mail from outside, you could have your
monitor machines send mail to your ISP's SMTP AUTH server.

2. You could set up your own SMTP relay that only relays to your
Exchange server AND only if AUTH is valid and then allow exchange to
accept mail from this relay.

-Kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Posted At: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:08 AM
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 Conversation: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5
 Subject: RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5
 
 
 My apologies. Had to walk away before sending message. This 
 was to the first response about using Blat from Andy. We have 
 full capabilities to send the e-mails. I put the smpt server 
 on the local machine out and the programmers do not think 
 that will be feasible due to the many variables involved at 
 each site. (their words exactly) So it looks like I am stuck 
 with trying to resolve this on the exchange server with 
 something that they can hard code into our remote software.
 
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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Chenault
Another thought:

Set up an internal box with a SMTP daemon. Run it on a port diff. from 25
(12345 or something equally unlikely). On your firewall map all inbound
requests for port 12345 to the IP of that internal box. As an added measure
use AUTH just in case some wiseguy finds the port on your border.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5


We do not need an application on the remote machines for sending the e-mail
alerts. Looking for a means of allowing these machines that are on various
other networks around the country to be able to relay thru our mail server
without being an open relay.

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RE: Routing restrictions Exchange 5.5

2002-11-22 Thread Jerry J.
Well it looks like what I am going to do is set up distro lists for each
site and send the mail to the list then have anyone that needs to get the
alerts on the list.
Sucks for me. Alot of administration. But I plan to set up a server to
automatically do this for me in the future since all information is
located on a SQL server.
Thanks for the info tho. As always I am learning more and more about
exchange.

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