RE: Trail for mail popped and routed
Hey, i just learned something ELSE!!! I had never heard of tracking.log but i'm all over it now. And believe it or not, i had won the relay battle when we first went to Exchange. We only relay our own IP numbers (this guy's on campus so it didn't affect him in this case) and you should have HEARD the squawk when they couldn't relay from home dialed up. I kinda said, well, that's just how Exchange works hehehe, which it is, when you don't allow relaying !! -Original Message- From: Steven Peck DNET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:02 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed How's this? Yes, you do have the freedom to do as you will. However, my maintaining reliable standards for infrastructure support has nothing to do with imparing your academic freedom. You might also look in \\servername\tracking.log to see if any messages from him are even passing through your server. I'd also turn off relay for him and try to pawn it off as a 'security' measure. :) Just an opinion without a hell of a lot of help :) -sp -sides, someone else pointed you to logging POP3 -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Nice to be able to say, and it might fly at a .com but at .edus, sigh, all we hear about is 'academic freedom' and we wind up having to accommodate (and support) a HOST of junk. But i agree in principle. I also think i should have known the answer, or at least how to turn a trace on or something. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 16:44 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Actually that is the best answer. If a person decides he wants to use your technology his own way, rather than the way you designed it, they should support that themselves. At the same time, you should educate him on the error of his ways. -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Thanks, that's a big help. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 16:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Turn off POP and tell him to use a real protocol. -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 3:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Trail for mail popped and routed Feel like I probably should know this, but I don't and can't seem to find the right search combination to discover the answer for myself. Exchange 5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6, have user (professor) who won't use native Outlook. Insists on Popping his mail from Exchange server, also using exchange for SMTP server with Outlook Express. He's having trouble with invalid syntax on outgoing email and thinks I should be able to see a trace of what got routed through the server. I don't see anything, not an NDR, nothing in his sent-items (of course, that's on his desktop). Is there a record of email sent using the exchange server as SMTP server with O.E ? Thanks for any pointers. Lynne Seamans Millersville University Millersville PA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: Restricting Users from sending mail
Or Netware newsgroups... still became a wobbler. - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: RE: Restricting Users from sending mail That is not old timers.. Those guys are still newbie's.. Old times were on the Banyan list, then became wobblers. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restricting Users from sending mail Old Timers: People who were on here when Loveletter broke... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restricting Users from sending mail Define old timers... -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Restricting Users from sending mail You know, I have never actually read our own FAQ. Damm fine piece of work. Now I see why old timers get so p*$$ed to see certain items repeated here. Thanks for the slap in the face! - Original Message - From: Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Restricting Users from sending mail M...cheese biscuits. Better yet, why not pickles and cheese?? www.picklesandcheese.com - Original Message - From: Preston Jeffares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Restricting Users from sending mail Thanks William... thats what I get for eating too many cheese biscuits for lunch and being lazy... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Restricting Users from sending mail The answer can be found here: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Restricting Users from sending mail Hrm... maybe I'm just missing it today... but isn't there a specific option to prevent select users from actually sending mail. The users need to be able to recieve mail... but not send any. I suppose I could implement a Send Message Size limit of zero... but wanted to know if there was a better way to do it. Exchange 2000 sp2 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Wanted: Plain text email client
Title: Message Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Title: Message You mean something other than putting plain text only in outlook or express? check ASB's site he has a bunch of recommendations -Original Message-From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:23 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks RobList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Title: Message Yes something other than that, because I want to only be able to receive plain text. Where on his web site? I couldn't find anything reference "mail" or "email", and the search isn't working. -Original Message-From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 June 2002 19:59To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client You mean something other than putting plain text only in outlook or express? check ASB's site he has a bunch of recommendations -Original Message-From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:23 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks RobList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Title: Message Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message-From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks RobList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Now, if I were making a recommendation to a government agency or something, I would suggest full lockdown, including plain text email settings. After a client's acceptance of any alleged risks, they can make decisions after that in their messaging setup. :o) William Try incredimailfree. www.incredimail.com [1] [1] I don't even know if it does plain text! LOL! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Trail for mail popped and routed
Wonderful! -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:05 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Hey, i just learned something ELSE!!! I had never heard of tracking.log but i'm all over it now. And believe it or not, i had won the relay battle when we first went to Exchange. We only relay our own IP numbers (this guy's on campus so it didn't affect him in this case) and you should have HEARD the squawk when they couldn't relay from home dialed up. I kinda said, well, that's just how Exchange works hehehe, which it is, when you don't allow relaying !! -Original Message- From: Steven Peck DNET [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:02 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed How's this? Yes, you do have the freedom to do as you will. However, my maintaining reliable standards for infrastructure support has nothing to do with imparing your academic freedom. You might also look in \\servername\tracking.log to see if any messages from him are even passing through your server. I'd also turn off relay for him and try to pawn it off as a 'security' measure. :) Just an opinion without a hell of a lot of help :) -sp -sides, someone else pointed you to logging POP3 -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Nice to be able to say, and it might fly at a .com but at .edus, sigh, all we hear about is 'academic freedom' and we wind up having to accommodate (and support) a HOST of junk. But i agree in principle. I also think i should have known the answer, or at least how to turn a trace on or something. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 16:44 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Actually that is the best answer. If a person decides he wants to use your technology his own way, rather than the way you designed it, they should support that themselves. At the same time, you should educate him on the error of his ways. -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Thanks, that's a big help. -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 16:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Trail for mail popped and routed Turn off POP and tell him to use a real protocol. -Original Message- From: Lynne Seamans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 3:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Trail for mail popped and routed Feel like I probably should know this, but I don't and can't seem to find the right search combination to discover the answer for myself. Exchange 5.5 sp4, NT4 sp6, have user (professor) who won't use native Outlook. Insists on Popping his mail from Exchange server, also using exchange for SMTP server with Outlook Express. He's having trouble with invalid syntax on outgoing email and thinks I should be able to see a trace of what got routed through the server. I don't see anything, not an NDR, nothing in his sent-items (of course, that's on his desktop). Is there a record of email sent using the exchange server as SMTP server with O.E ? Thanks for any pointers. Lynne Seamans Millersville University Millersville PA List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
I meant #4 and #2 are issues. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
I was at 19,2 dial up for 4 long months in 2002. I appreciate #4 as well. Of course this plain text email will exceed 12k already. ;) I don't get $5 for the addresses I sell. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
19,2 is really hard. I still have a PDA with a 28,8 modem which is already slow. This plain text e-mail was before I hit reply only 5KB BTW ;-) That's what I hate. They sell your (and my) e-mail addy for $5 apiece to each SPAM'er who wants it and we don't get a single $ :-( Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client I was at 19,2 dial up for 4 long months in 2002. I appreciate #4 as well. Of course this plain text email will exceed 12k already. ;) I don't get $5 for the addresses I sell. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
I too am very often 19.2 it is not too bad for a 6x8 TS window.. But nothing much more is worth anything. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client 19,2 is really hard. I still have a PDA with a 28,8 modem which is already slow. This plain text e-mail was before I hit reply only 5KB BTW ;-) That's what I hate. They sell your (and my) e-mail addy for $5 apiece to each SPAM'er who wants it and we don't get a single $ :-( Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client I was at 19,2 dial up for 4 long months in 2002. I appreciate #4 as well. Of course this plain text email will exceed 12k already. ;) I don't get $5 for the addresses I sell. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
5kb in transfer. 12kb in .pst storage. ;) My bad. BTW, I love it when people sign your address up for something and the confirmation email includes the IP address the request came from. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client 19,2 is really hard. I still have a PDA with a 28,8 modem which is already slow. This plain text e-mail was before I hit reply only 5KB BTW ;-) That's what I hate. They sell your (and my) e-mail addy for $5 apiece to each SPAM'er who wants it and we don't get a single $ :-( Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client I was at 19,2 dial up for 4 long months in 2002. I appreciate #4 as well. Of course this plain text email will exceed 12k already. ;) I don't get $5 for the addresses I sell. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Wanted: Plain text email client
Weird. It was showing up with 5kb in my Exchange 2000 public folder and the one I am just replying to shows up with 6KB in my PF. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 6:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client 5kb in transfer. 12kb in .pst storage. ;) My bad. BTW, I love it when people sign your address up for something and the confirmation email includes the IP address the request came from. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client 19,2 is really hard. I still have a PDA with a 28,8 modem which is already slow. This plain text e-mail was before I hit reply only 5KB BTW ;-) That's what I hate. They sell your (and my) e-mail addy for $5 apiece to each SPAM'er who wants it and we don't get a single $ :-( Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client I was at 19,2 dial up for 4 long months in 2002. I appreciate #4 as well. Of course this plain text email will exceed 12k already. ;) I don't get $5 for the addresses I sell. -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 3:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Plain text is for hard core paranoids like me and not dull ;-) If you're on a dialup line #4 is a big issue, also #4 is once you look at the source code of HTML mails created with a certain mail client. Sometimes the item is double in size :-( I don't need a 10kb mail with a short notice which would be 1kb if plain text... The real issue with web bugs is that once you red the message even in preview your mail address has been confirmed and the SPAM'ers are happy to sell your confirmed address for $5 to get you flooded with their fine mails ;-) Also, Yahoo! For example uses Web beacons to track the usage of their groups. Each message contains a sponsor footer which actually tracks your TCP/IP to keep Yahoo! informed who is using this group :-0 Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Yes, really. I've never had a problem with an HTML email bug. The little .gif call to a web server to track email, well, I track the emails I receive that do that. The problem is a non-issue to me personally. For example, only item#1 and #7 are even relevant to me in this list: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Plain text email is dull. :o) -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Ugh! Really? With all the Web beacons and bugs buried in HTML mail to track if you really open such a mail I finally decided to turn my Office XP SP1/Outlook 2002 into displaying all mail only as plain text... Cheers:Siegfried runat=server / -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wanted: Plain text email client Personally, I like HTML email. But: http://nohtmlemail.com/ William -Original Message- From: Rob Wilcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Wanted: Plain text email client Hi folks, I just wondered if someone could recommend a really straight forward simple email client, which handles plain text emails. I don't want it to be able to do HTML mail, either sending or receiving. Thanks Rob List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
