RE: Virtual Server mailbox finding query
Hi Michael, Er, I guess that something in Exchange isn't configured to work as I need it but the clustering aspect of it works fine. If I switch one server off, failover works fine, and moves back again when required. It's pretty seamless. As far as Exchange goes the two active servers aren't working together in this one aspect as I require, surely there's something I can tweak to correct this? Looking at clustering white papers seems like it'll tell me to set up what I already have. I went through them in order to get where I am. Thank you for the suggestion though, if you do come up with anything more specific I'd be very grateful! Cheers Neal -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2008 17:21 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtual Server mailbox finding query This isn't Exchange 101 per se, but you have your cluster set up wrong. I know that that isn't much specific help - but it's the fact. Jumping right in without knowing a lot more details would be ill-advised in my opinion. There are some excellent white papers on clustering at technet.microsoft.com/exchange. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Palmer, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Virtual Server mailbox finding query Let me re-phrase... I *am* looking, but if anyone can help, much obliged! Cheers Neal -Original Message- From: Palmer, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2008 15:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Virtual Server mailbox finding query Hi all, This may be Exchange 101 and it's been a while since I fiddle with our setup so it may be quicker to ask here than trawl through a ton of docu's just to find what I need... so... We have 3 clustered E2K3 servers, two active, one passive, and it's worked fine since I set it up. The issue we have is that to deliver mail, the node has to be specified in the email address, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] We want to remove the 'node1' or 'node2' and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sending an email to a user not existing on a node returns this error :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/08/2008 15:20 A configuration error in the e-mail system caused the message to bounce between two servers or to be forwarded between two recipients. Contact your administrator. node1.internal.uwic.ac.uk #5.3.5 The two nodes don't seem to 'trust' eachother. I'm guessing this is the first hurdle in removing the node from the address entirely. Basically I need the active nodes to work out where the mailbox is, and deliver the mail. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers Neal ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: AV on Exchange?
Our Exchange 2003 boxes seem to cope with Antigen's multiple scan engines OK. And load is a very bad reason for getting rid of AV on those boxes. It is a good reason for getting beefier boxes, though. Sometimes new trojans get past the first line of defense and into your information store. And then the patterns get updated. Desktop AV patterns might be updated rather less frequently than the scanner used on your Mailbox servers (e.g. McAfee still has only daily updates).. For example, just yesterday we has some stuff get past ClamAV and McAfee's uvscan on our gateway boxes, only to be clobbered by more up to date patterns in Microsoft and Sophos's scanners. It's also a lot easier to be certain that email viruses are contained if you're scanning your exchange stores on access. Only a handful of servers to verify as properly working vs thousands of desktop PCs. So my answer would be that the right strategy is defense in depth. At the gateway, on your mail servers, and on the desktop. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2008 20:31 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: AV on Exchange? Both, but I don't like the performance hit I'm taking on the Exchange server. From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: AV on Exchange? Do you put AV on your Exchange server or let your gateway scanners do all the work? I'm not talking about file based AV b/c everyone knows it would be just silly not to put that on your server. If you would have ask me a year ago whether or not I would recommend putting AV on exchange I would have said with out a question YES. Over the last year I have seen a ton of places only relying on their SMTP gateway scanner and the desktop scanners. So if your a shop tight on money it begs the question can you do without or its that just a BIG no no. What do you guys do? Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Exchange 2003 disaster recovery
I have inherited a network with 2 Windows 2000 file servers and a Windows 2003 server running exchange 2003 enterprise edition. There is also a spare server labelled mail dr which I believe was going to be used as a disaster recovery server in the event of a failure in the main mail server. Both the mail server and the mail dr server have the same tape drive in them. Allegedly the previous admin was going to configure the mail dr server so that he could use the previous night's backup to restore the data onto the server and everything would be back to normal relatively quickly. Does this sound feasible? And if so is there any documentation on the steps involved Thanks Andy Lawrence This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2003 disaster recovery
It's feasible, but then you would also have to restore the system state of the Exchange server before doing the4 Exchange restore? Question to ask management: how long can Exchange be down before it starts to really hurt the business. I suspect you will find the answer is less than the amount of time it will take to restore to the new server from back up even if it goes smoothly the first time. Get yourself something like Double Take which can replicate all of the data in real time to the standby server. If your main server dies you will be back up and running in about 4 minutes from the time you tell it to failover. Way cheaper than a cluster and a lot less overhead to maintain. HTH Clayton Doige IT Project Manager CME Development Corporation T: 020 7430 5355 M: 07949 255062 E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] W:www.cetv-net.com From: Andy Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 10:36 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2003 disaster recovery I have inherited a network with 2 Windows 2000 file servers and a Windows 2003 server running exchange 2003 enterprise edition. There is also a spare server labelled mail dr which I believe was going to be used as a disaster recovery server in the event of a failure in the main mail server. Both the mail server and the mail dr server have the same tape drive in them. Allegedly the previous admin was going to configure the mail dr server so that he could use the previous night's backup to restore the data onto the server and everything would be back to normal relatively quickly. Does this sound feasible? And if so is there any documentation on the steps involved Thanks Andy Lawrence This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl http://www.blackspider.com/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ This electronic mail message and any attached files contain information intended for the exclusive use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any viewing, copying, disclosure or distribution of this message or its contents may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by electronic mail and delete the original message and any attachments without retaining any copies. _ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exchange 2003 disaster recovery
Andy Yes, there is plenty of disaster recovery documentation for Exchange 2003 on the Microsoft Technet website. Take a look at the Exchange 2003 Disaster Recovery Guide at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb125070(EXCHG.65).aspx Paul Charlish Sun Microsystems Andy Lawrence wrote: I have inherited a network with 2 Windows 2000 file servers and a Windows 2003 server running exchange 2003 enterprise edition. There is also a “spare” server labelled “mail dr” which I believe was going to be used as a disaster recovery server in the event of a failure in the main mail server. Both the mail server and the mail dr server have the same tape drive in them. Allegedly the previous admin was going to configure the mail dr server so that he could use the previous night’s backup to restore the data onto the server and everything would be back to normal relatively quickly. Does this sound feasible? And if so is there any documentation on the steps involved Thanks Andy Lawrence This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl http://www.blackspider.com/ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items
Just a quick note to say that, with my boss, I'm going to be deleting and recreating this user's mailbox. Mdbvu32 looks slightly scary if I'm honest J From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 19:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Thanks Kevin and Michael for your assistance. This sounds like a good plan, I'll try it on a test mailbox first, then proceed with the live mailbox (after a backup of course!) Richard From: Bingham, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 15:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Delete the Contacts folder instead, then run outlook /resetfolders. You can delete the Contact or other default folder with a ugly client like MDBVU32. From: Senter, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Why not exmerge out everything but the contacts, delete the mailbox, create a new mailbox and exmerge back in. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items I think you are running into the maximum size of a delete transaction. I would probably open the mailbox in Outlook and put someone to deleting a few thousand at a time, or develop a script. It should be pretty easy, but you should test test test! ' CDO 1.x folder constants Public Const CdoDefaultFolderCalendar = 0 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderContacts = 5 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderDeletedItems = 4 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderInbox = 1 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderJournal = 6 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderNotes = 7 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderOutbox = 2 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderSentItems = 3 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderTasks = 8 Dim objSession, objFolder ' Create MAPI session Set objSession = CreateObject(MAPI.Session) ' logon using an new MAPI session with a dynamically created profile strProfileInfo = Your Servername vbLf Your Mailbox objSession.Logon , , False, True, 0, False, strProfileInfo ''' or connect to a MAPI session already in progress ''' objSession.Logon , , False, False, 0 ' Get the default contacts folder Set objFolder = objSession.GetDefaultFolder(CdoDefaultFolderContacts) ' get the item collection Set objCollection = objFolder.Messages ' get first contact Set objContact = objCollection.GetFirst() ' Loop through the collection Do While Not objContact Is Nothing objContact.Delete ' Get next message Set objContact = objCollection.GetNext() Loop objSession.Logoff Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Sorry, I'm trying to get rid of them in preparation for exmerging back in a proper version of the contacts (i.e. only a few thousand with no duplicates!) Richard From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 10:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items I don't understand your objective. Are you trying to delete all of those contacts? Or just get a copy of them elsewhere? Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exmerge limit on no. of items I have a user who, after using Entourage, has ended up with nearly 1 million contacts. I'm trying to use exmerge to get them all out, but each four hour pass of the Contacts folder only removes ~10,000 items. Not very practical, it would take me weeks! Does anyone know a better solution that doesn't involve recreating the mailbox? Cheers Richard This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
MS licensing???
I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to *my lawyer* to get clarification on how to interpret *Their license*.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/http://certificatesforexchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/http://domainsforexchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] email address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy...but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Stopping POP3 download
If you are going to do that why not just disable pop3? Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 -Original Message- From: Michael Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Stopping POP3 download If this is effecting everyone, you could change the pop3 port so they can't connect. I've done that. Sent from my iPhone On 10-Aug-08, at 3:35 AM, Liby Philip Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hit there, I have POP3 users, who leave a copy of their mails on the E2K3 server. I am using move-mailbox to move users mailbox to new E2K7 in a new domain. Once we migrate to E2K7 I want to stop the users downloading the mails again to their .pst creating duplicates. How can I do this? Regards liby ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ _ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
Hmm, Interesting. I would much rather keep all the mail on my server but if I can't get management to pay for it this might be an option.. The one problem I see with this is when they send email it states its coming from @gmail.com instead of @mycompany.com Thanks On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy…but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to *my lawyer* to get clarification on how to interpret *Their license*.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
I will have to play with this Very Nice! On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO it would not, that is why you would set the reply to address in the client to the email address they would have on the corporate mail server, then it would appear as if it came from that and when the recipient replies it will GO to that, all the gmail happenings will go on in the background and outsiders will be none the wiser…unless they snoop into the headers J I have done this before and it works fine if you're on a budget. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:39 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: MS licensing??? Hmm, Interesting. I would much rather keep all the mail on my server but if I can't get management to pay for it this might be an option.. The one problem I see with this is when they send email it states its coming from @gmail.com instead of @mycompany.com Thanks On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy…but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to *my lawyer* to get clarification on how to interpret *Their license*.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
Yes. That's why I said Windows and not AD. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: MS licensing??? Is that still true if you use local accounts instead of AD? On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ _ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2003 disaster recovery
What I would do is keep a spare box fully patched and ready to go. Keep it outside of the domain. When you need to use it, rename it to your failed Exchange box, domainify it, and install Exchange with the /DisasterRecovery switch. Note you also need to Service Pack it with /DisasterRecovery too. This works much better if your storage is on a SAN, or if you have another easy way to present the disks/databases to the standby server. Everyone has different ideas, and there is more than one solution for any particular problem. From: Andy Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 10:36 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2003 disaster recovery I have inherited a network with 2 Windows 2000 file servers and a Windows 2003 server running exchange 2003 enterprise edition. There is also a spare server labelled mail dr which I believe was going to be used as a disaster recovery server in the event of a failure in the main mail server. Both the mail server and the mail dr server have the same tape drive in them. Allegedly the previous admin was going to configure the mail dr server so that he could use the previous night's backup to restore the data onto the server and everything would be back to normal relatively quickly. Does this sound feasible? And if so is there any documentation on the steps involved Thanks Andy Lawrence This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl http://www.blackspider.com/ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: AV on Exchange?
Gateways only. - Postini (hosted by ISP) - ProofPoint AntiVirus - McAfee SCM Gateway - Sean On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Matt Plahtinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Do you put AV on your Exchange server or let your gateway scanners do all the work? I'm not talking about file based AV b/c everyone knows it would be just silly not to put that on your server. If you would have ask me a year ago whether or not I would recommend putting AV on exchange I would have said with out a question YES. Over the last year I have seen a ton of places only relying on their SMTP gateway scanner and the desktop scanners. So if your a shop tight on money it begs the question can you do without or its that just a BIG no no. What do you guys do? Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items
Why not use the Mailbox Manager to wipe it out over nite? Nikki From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Just a quick note to say that, with my boss, I'm going to be deleting and recreating this user's mailbox. Mdbvu32 looks slightly scary if I'm honest J From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 19:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Thanks Kevin and Michael for your assistance. This sounds like a good plan, I'll try it on a test mailbox first, then proceed with the live mailbox (after a backup of course!) Richard From: Bingham, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 15:50 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Delete the Contacts folder instead, then run outlook /resetfolders. You can delete the Contact or other default folder with a ugly client like MDBVU32. From: Senter, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Why not exmerge out everything but the contacts, delete the mailbox, create a new mailbox and exmerge back in. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items I think you are running into the maximum size of a delete transaction. I would probably open the mailbox in Outlook and put someone to deleting a few thousand at a time, or develop a script. It should be pretty easy, but you should test test test! ' CDO 1.x folder constants Public Const CdoDefaultFolderCalendar = 0 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderContacts = 5 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderDeletedItems = 4 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderInbox = 1 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderJournal = 6 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderNotes = 7 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderOutbox = 2 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderSentItems = 3 Public Const CdoDefaultFolderTasks = 8 Dim objSession, objFolder ' Create MAPI session Set objSession = CreateObject(MAPI.Session) ' logon using an new MAPI session with a dynamically created profile strProfileInfo = Your Servername vbLf Your Mailbox objSession.Logon , , False, True, 0, False, strProfileInfo ''' or connect to a MAPI session already in progress ''' objSession.Logon , , False, False, 0 ' Get the default contacts folder Set objFolder = objSession.GetDefaultFolder(CdoDefaultFolderContacts) ' get the item collection Set objCollection = objFolder.Messages ' get first contact Set objContact = objCollection.GetFirst() ' Loop through the collection Do While Not objContact Is Nothing objContact.Delete ' Get next message Set objContact = objCollection.GetNext() Loop objSession.Logoff Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:29 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items Sorry, I'm trying to get rid of them in preparation for exmerging back in a proper version of the contacts (i.e. only a few thousand with no duplicates!) Richard From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2008 10:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exmerge limit on no. of items I don't understand your objective. Are you trying to delete all of those contacts? Or just get a copy of them elsewhere? Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exmerge limit on no. of items I have a user who, after using Entourage, has ended up with nearly 1 million contacts. I'm trying to use exmerge to get them all out, but each four hour pass of the Contacts folder only removes ~10,000 items. Not very practical, it would take me weeks! Does anyone know a better solution that doesn't involve recreating the mailbox? Cheers Richard This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
Exchange is tied to AD, so regardless you have to authenticate with a username and pw at the server level hence a Windows CAL + Exchange Cal. From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: MS licensing??? Is that still true if you use local accounts instead of AD? On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
I thought it was much simpler than that - open wallet, empty on table, get loan for 10% more. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Simon Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MS licensing??? I will have to play with this Very Nice! That is what Shook says to TVK! J Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
