RE: Issues after SP1.
And I've seen a bunch of people with corrupt EMC cache profiles. Try deleting this file: c:\users\user\appdata\roaming\microsoft\mmc\Exchange Management Console Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Randal, Phil [mailto:pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Issues after SP1. Look here: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2010/02/04/453946.aspx Missing WSMan entry? That was the problem that we had. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Infrastructure Engineer NHS Herefordshire Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 14:32 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Issues after SP1. So after installing SP1 I can no longer EMC not EMS... The error on EMC is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. It was running the command 'Discover-ExchangeServer -UseWIA $true -SuppressError $true -CurrentVersion 'Version 14.1 (Build 218.15). The error on EMS is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. +CategoryInfo : OpenError: (System.ManagementRemoteRunspace:RemoteRunspace) []. PSRemotingTransportException + FullyQualifiedErrorId : PSSessionOpenFailed I checked the protocolSettings attribute and its set to RemotePowerShell§1, all required group memberships are in place. This is a mixed 2007 SP3 / 2010 SP1 environment, everything on 2K7 works as expected. And other pure and mixed 2010 SP1 environments I look at are just fine... this is odd. I've googled around and others are having this problem too but no solution found yet :( Any ideas? ~D --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. You should be aware that Herefordshire Council monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
I pay for a similar service from dyndns.org called mailhop backup mx - about $40 per year. They will store your messages and attempt to deliver them to your mail server for up to 10 days. Ralph -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard Our ISP provides a staging server that's pointed to by lower priority MX records and which holds the e-mail if there are any issues with our servers. Not sure how long for, but presumably it can be tweaked on request... Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 14:17 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard 5 days. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** Cut Carbon, Save Money, Save the Environment. Take the climate challenge and reduce your carbon footprint at www.stockport.gov.uk/carboff This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist Confidentiality Notice: -- This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and destroy all copies of the original message. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
Yeah, well, “back in the day” (granted, this is pre-historic for most of y’all) it took 3 days for an email to cross from the east coast of the US to the west coast of the US; as it would transit nine or ten different email systems – usually via dial-up. So…that’s the historical basis. I agree that in today’s well-connected networks, that five days is far too long. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard It really does vary. Personally I prefer a shorter time period as if you send a message you typically want to know if it has (or hasn’t) been sent, not have it sat in a queue for 5 days (I’ve seen plenty of systems set to 120 hours or 5 days or what seems a stupidly high period of time). From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 13:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
We have ours set to 3 days I believe specifically to try to allow for weekend issues like this without getting into the stupid 4-5 day range. At least those whose attempted sends failed should have received delivery failure messages and can try again manually if they care. --- [Sent from my BlackBerry - please excuse spelling/grammar] From: James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Mon Oct 04 07:02:01 2010 Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard Ok, so it looks like we're going to be missing some email then. C'est la vie, it is what it is. Thanks, James - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smithmailto:mich...@smithcons.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issuesmailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard Depends on the mail server. For Exchange, it’s 48 hours. For sendmail, it used to be 72 hours. Can’t speak to any others. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find documentation to that right now, though. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find documentation to that right now, though. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
Depends on the mail server. For Exchange, it's 48 hours. For sendmail, it used to be 72 hours. Can't speak to any others. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:49 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find documentation to that right now, though. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
Our ISP provides a staging server that's pointed to by lower priority MX records and which holds the e-mail if there are any issues with our servers. Not sure how long for, but presumably it can be tweaked on request... Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 14:17 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard 5 days. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** Cut Carbon, Save Money, Save the Environment. Take the climate challenge and reduce your carbon footprint at www.stockport.gov.uk/carboff This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Business Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
5 days isn't too long, IMHO. For exactly the kind of reasons the OP encountered. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 06:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Yeah, well, “back in the day” (granted, this is pre-historic for most of y’all) it took 3 days for an email to cross from the east coast of the US to the west coast of the US; as it would transit nine or ten different email systems – usually via dial-up. So…that’s the historical basis. I agree that in today’s well-connected networks, that five days is far too long. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard It really does vary. Personally I prefer a shorter time period as if you send a message you typically want to know if it has (or hasn’t) been sent, not have it sat in a queue for 5 days (I’ve seen plenty of systems set to 120 hours or 5 days or what seems a stupidly high period of time). From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 13:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Issues after SP1.
So after installing SP1 I can no longer EMC not EMS... The error on EMC is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. It was running the command 'Discover-ExchangeServer -UseWIA $true -SuppressError $true -CurrentVersion 'Version 14.1 (Build 218.15). The error on EMS is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. +CategoryInfo : OpenError: (System.ManagementRemoteRunspace:RemoteRunspace) []. PSRemotingTransportException + FullyQualifiedErrorId : PSSessionOpenFailed I checked the protocolSettings attribute and its set to RemotePowerShell§1, all required group memberships are in place. This is a mixed 2007 SP3 / 2010 SP1 environment, everything on 2K7 works as expected. And other pure and mixed 2010 SP1 environments I look at are just fine... this is odd. I've googled around and others are having this problem too but no solution found yet :( Any ideas? ~D --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Issues after SP1.
Look here: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2010/02/04/453946.aspx Missing WSMan entry? That was the problem that we had. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal | Infrastructure Engineer NHS Herefordshire Herefordshire Council | Deputy Chief Executive's Office | I.C.T. Services Division Thorn Office Centre, Rotherwas, Hereford, HR2 6JT Tel: 01432 260160 From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] Sent: 04 October 2010 14:32 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Issues after SP1. So after installing SP1 I can no longer EMC not EMS... The error on EMC is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. It was running the command 'Discover-ExchangeServer -UseWIA $true -SuppressError $true -CurrentVersion 'Version 14.1 (Build 218.15). The error on EMS is: [server-fqdn] Connecting to remote server failed with the following error message: The WinRM client cannot process the request. It cannot determine the content type of the HTTP response from the destination computer. The content type is absent or invalid. For more information see the about_Remote_Troubleshooting Help topic. +CategoryInfo : OpenError: (System.ManagementRemoteRunspace:RemoteRunspace) []. PSRemotingTransportException + FullyQualifiedErrorId : PSSessionOpenFailed I checked the protocolSettings attribute and its set to RemotePowerShell§1, all required group memberships are in place. This is a mixed 2007 SP3 / 2010 SP1 environment, everything on 2K7 works as expected. And other pure and mixed 2010 SP1 environments I look at are just fine... this is odd. I've googled around and others are having this problem too but no solution found yet :( Any ideas? ~D --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Herefordshire Council. You should be aware that Herefordshire Council monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
5 days. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up. W/o looking I'm pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's definitely not adhered to in all cases. If you feel/know there is some mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command. You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the server so they retry delivery to you. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered. Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower. James - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up. W/o looking I'm pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's definitely not adhered to in all cases. If you feel/know there is some mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command. You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the server so they retry delivery to you. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Hosted Exchange Options
Not really. We are exploring moving it all to a host. On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, KevinM kev...@wlkmmas.org wrote: Sounds like you want a hosted filtering option more then you want hosted Exchange. Postini, FOPE, ETC -- Most hosted providers use some sort of hosted filtering company.. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange Options When considering hosted Exchange options, do you know of vendors that do more complicated set ups? For example, PGP encryption, inbound and outbound filtering, TLS, and custom mail trailers? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
There is no real standard, other than the standards that the software vendor uses for their own products. 24-72 hours typically as other people have indicated. -- ME2 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings kicking off within an hour. I want myself and my users to know about communications problems in a much more timely fashion. -- ME2 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered. Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower. James - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up. W/o looking I'm pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's definitely not adhered to in all cases. If you feel/know there is some mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command. You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the server so they retry delivery to you. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
That's what delay warnings are for. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:55, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings kicking off within an hour. I want myself and my users to know about communications problems in a much more timely fashion. -- ME2 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered. Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower. James - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up. W/o looking I'm pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's definitely not adhered to in all cases. If you feel/know there is some mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command. You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the server so they retry delivery to you. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
Surely. What Im getting at is an overall reduction in all the timers - especially the final failure. I have worked in a number of places where the defaults were not only problematic, but attributed to measurable loss in productivity. Of course it always depends on your environment and your overall user skill levels. I find users dont understand the concept of delays unless really beaten into them. But failures; they get. -- ME2 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: That's what delay warnings are for. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:55, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings kicking off within an hour. I want myself and my users to know about communications problems in a much more timely fashion. -- ME2 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered. Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower. James - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up. W/o looking I'm pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's definitely not adhered to in all cases. If you feel/know there is some mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command. You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the server so they retry delivery to you. ~JasonG -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard Quick question.. Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this morning. James [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange Options
OwnWebnow has a really good exchange hosting platform that does some form of encryption, I don't know if it is specifically PGP. Also, they do outbound and TLS, I don't know about custom mail trailers. Karl Bickmore MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3 LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+ DataCore SANmelody Certified 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101 Scottsdale AZ, 85250 480-553-9967 X100 k...@ccnsconsulting.com Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks! -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hosted Exchange Options Not really. We are exploring moving it all to a host. On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, KevinM kev...@wlkmmas.org wrote: Sounds like you want a hosted filtering option more then you want hosted Exchange. Postini, FOPE, ETC -- Most hosted providers use some sort of hosted filtering company.. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange Options When considering hosted Exchange options, do you know of vendors that do more complicated set ups? For example, PGP encryption, inbound and outbound filtering, TLS, and custom mail trailers? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
I worked in BPOS for most of this year as a senior support dood. I worked there until my contract was canceled because I had a discussion over my pay grade with the wrong person.. I am considering becoming a BPOS partner - you get X% of the gross monthly for as long as the customer sticks with BPOS. It's a great gig; if only BPOS was better. Once they make the move to 2010 sometime start of next year it will be an amazing product. My personal email has been on 2010 for a few years now hosted by Microsoft and it's a wonder experience. Ask me anything you want to know about BPOS -- I have no NDA, and I have balls of tungsten -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
Now you are going to get Shookie all excited! :) Webster -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? Ask me anything you want to know ... I have balls of tungsten --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
It's only 6%. Not worth it - IMO. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I worked in BPOS for most of this year as a senior support dood. I worked there until my contract was canceled because I had a discussion over my pay grade with the wrong person.. I am considering becoming a BPOS partner - you get X% of the gross monthly for as long as the customer sticks with BPOS. It's a great gig; if only BPOS was better. Once they make the move to 2010 sometime start of next year it will be an amazing product. My personal email has been on 2010 for a few years now hosted by Microsoft and it's a wonder experience. Ask me anything you want to know about BPOS -- I have no NDA, and I have balls of tungsten -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
Exchange 2010 will be available before the end of CY 2010 for BPOS. It's already running in l...@edu. Please note that BPOS is far more than just the software itself. It's an entire hosting ecosystem - call it integration software. It's no shocker that the plain software comes out well before a new major version of BPOS. And yes, the Exchange team runs dogfood, and then all of Microsoft runs release candidates, and minor updates get slipstreamed into BPOS/l...@edu before they are available to the public. But they are fairly different efforts run by different groups in MSFT. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
It's more for the first year where you do the real migration work.. then after that you should not be doing much work.. 6% of 9$ a month times X,000 users for not doing much work at all is not a bad gig if you can make it work.. I am going to do it in South America.. Focus on Chile, Brazil and Argentina.. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? It's only 6%. Not worth it - IMO. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I worked in BPOS for most of this year as a senior support dood. I worked there until my contract was canceled because I had a discussion over my pay grade with the wrong person.. I am considering becoming a BPOS partner - you get X% of the gross monthly for as long as the customer sticks with BPOS. It's a great gig; if only BPOS was better. Once they make the move to 2010 sometime start of next year it will be an amazing product. My personal email has been on 2010 for a few years now hosted by Microsoft and it's a wonder experience. Ask me anything you want to know about BPOS -- I have no NDA, and I have balls of tungsten -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
Sure - if you can get into the several thousand user category. The couple of times I've come up with users that size, Microsoft has underbid me with their dedicated solution. I couldn't match the price, as a partner, that they were offering to the customer. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:59 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? It's more for the first year where you do the real migration work.. then after that you should not be doing much work.. 6% of 9$ a month times X,000 users for not doing much work at all is not a bad gig if you can make it work.. I am going to do it in South America.. Focus on Chile, Brazil and Argentina.. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? It's only 6%. Not worth it - IMO. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I worked in BPOS for most of this year as a senior support dood. I worked there until my contract was canceled because I had a discussion over my pay grade with the wrong person.. I am considering becoming a BPOS partner - you get X% of the gross monthly for as long as the customer sticks with BPOS. It's a great gig; if only BPOS was better. Once they make the move to 2010 sometime start of next year it will be an amazing product. My personal email has been on 2010 for a few years now hosted by Microsoft and it's a wonder experience. Ask me anything you want to know about BPOS -- I have no NDA, and I have balls of tungsten -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange Options
We use AppTix - they're really good in the reselling options. www.apptix.com Jay -Original Message- From: Karl Bickmore [mailto:k...@ccnsconsulting.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:43 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange Options OwnWebnow has a really good exchange hosting platform that does some form of encryption, I don't know if it is specifically PGP. Also, they do outbound and TLS, I don't know about custom mail trailers. Karl Bickmore MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3 LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+ DataCore SANmelody Certified 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101 Scottsdale AZ, 85250 480-553-9967 X100 k...@ccnsconsulting.com Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks! -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hosted Exchange Options Not really. We are exploring moving it all to a host. On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, KevinM kev...@wlkmmas.org wrote: Sounds like you want a hosted filtering option more then you want hosted Exchange. Postini, FOPE, ETC -- Most hosted providers use some sort of hosted filtering company.. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange Options When considering hosted Exchange options, do you know of vendors that do more complicated set ups? For example, PGP encryption, inbound and outbound filtering, TLS, and custom mail trailers? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS?
Maybe and sort of. The vast majority is still E12. That seems to be the goal but it remains to be seen. Shoot Kevin, we must have crossed paths at the door. When I started there were 6 people on the team and now there's 40ish and more in the pipe. I know what you mean about the scratch, coming up on a year and I know they won't want to pony up. Sort of a years paid education. M -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? Exchange 2010 will be available before the end of CY 2010 for BPOS. It's already running in l...@edu. Please note that BPOS is far more than just the software itself. It's an entire hosting ecosystem - call it integration software. It's no shocker that the plain software comes out well before a new major version of BPOS. And yes, the Exchange team runs dogfood, and then all of Microsoft runs release candidates, and minor updates get slipstreamed into BPOS/l...@edu before they are available to the public. But they are fairly different efforts run by different groups in MSFT. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? I was Demo-ing it for a few months - oddly enough, just quit today. We opted to keep Exchange hosted ourselves. I too was looking into them for just the Exchange, not the Sharepoint etc... I was disappointed that they still did not offer Exchange 2010, which is kinda odd since MS internally runs the latest software even before it RTMs. (Right?). There were also some limitations such as Public Folders, Could not use GOOD Enterprise Messaging, ActiveSync was extra $$. Also, it was much cheaper to just buy Exchange and host it ourselves. I spoke with BPOS many times on the phone; nobody really knew what was going on. A few people admitted it got a rocky start. Many questions went unanswered... I gave up hope. Sam -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Hosted Exchange: Opinions on BPOS? If you haven't heard of it, BPOS is short for Business Productivity Online Standard, Microsoft's hosted offering for Exchange, Sharepoint, OCS, and Live Meeting. I'm interested in using them for hosted Exchange for a client. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
