Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread James Bensley 
On 23 December 2010 01:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?

I often write notes against contacts in my address book, admittedly
nothing sensitive but someone might do. You never know what people are
going to do, so the answer is very important. Any sane person like you
or me would just stored contact details in it, but I would bet money
that there are people out there (even if by accident or ignorance)
that have put sensitive data in an address book entry.

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OT: Thursday Thilly

2010-12-23 Thread Steve Szabo 
They Ought to be Arrested
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2Qdb6wC0Iz4&feature=player_embedded
http://tinyurl.com/2auhkby

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Re: OT: Thursday Thilly

2010-12-23 Thread King's Kid 
OMG!! That is too funny and unfortunately, too true.
 BJ 


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From: Steve Szabo 
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 6:58:56 AM
Subject: OT: Thursday Thilly

They Ought to be Arrested
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2Qdb6wC0Iz4&feature=player_embedded
http://tinyurl.com/2auhkby

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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Think of it as a proof of concept.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:16 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. I've 
had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience I've 
seen it go both ways.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Um, Ouch...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_service_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22

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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
Hallelujah, brother.

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From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:49 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I'm still not happy about the weird things the EMS does because it has to get 
all SOAPy and pretend there's a cloud between my workstation and the Exchange 
server in the next room.

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
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From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
The answer is: Direct Access.

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http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I wonder if MS' answer is "gee, you don't need BES or RIM for that matter - 
just expose your mail system to the internet  - what? - can't get to your other 
intranet servers? - just expose them too - it should all be open" or 
something...


From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
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From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Campbell, Rob 
Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread KevinM 
The sooner BPOS gets to 2010 the sooner it will be a stable service... They 
can't get there soon enough if you ask me. 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
Of course. Who reads the fine print?

The issues have been known since MCIS (who remembers that? - Microsoft 
Commercial Internet Services) 1.0 and were scheduled to be addressed in MCIS 
2.0 - also known as Mercury. The project got canned, and instead MANY of those 
capabilities got built into Exchange 2000. But not all.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
BINGO

-Original Message-
From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
I'll second that!!!  Since I work in both environments (all three), I can 
say without a doubt that that life gets easy when 2007 goes away.  Most 
customers in D stop having trouble all together when they get migrated.  Corp 
almost runs itself and you can be rest assured  that it is the biggest testing 
ground in the world and a poster child of what not to do with exchange.

-Original Message-
From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:12 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

The sooner BPOS gets to 2010 the sooner it will be a stable service... They 
can't get there soon enough if you ask me. 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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