RE: Defragging the IS
For that little, I wouldn't bother. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Well, if you've got kick ass hardware, you'd be luck to get 4GB an hour. I would estimate 2GB an hour at best if I were you. D BSD Skunks the Penguin - Roger Seilestad -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
He didn't mention anything about AD... D Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can. -John Wesley -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
True - but still the same point. The Ed Crowley method works beautifully. Have used it several times and didn't have any down time or data issues. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS He didn't mention anything about AD... D Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can. -John Wesley -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
That was actually my recommendation, but I don't make the final decisions around here. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
He could still do the Ed C. method on his W2K server provided there isn't any AD in the picture. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS True - but still the same point. The Ed Crowley method works beautifully. Have used it several times and didn't have any down time or data issues. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS He didn't mention anything about AD... D Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can. -John Wesley -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Agreed. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS He could still do the Ed C. method on his W2K server provided there isn't any AD in the picture. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS True - but still the same point. The Ed Crowley method works beautifully. Have used it several times and didn't have any down time or data issues. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS He didn't mention anything about AD... D Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can. -John Wesley -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Defragging the IS
I feel your pain. You might want to explain the experienced recommendation from others that have done this several times and the proven track record. This along with the words about defragging the IS may help to convince them otherwise. Good luck! Or wait until late, in the dark, and take a baseball bat to them. Then do it your way while their out sick. Your call. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS That was actually my recommendation, but I don't make the final decisions around here. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Call me slow, but why not put the NT 4 server in your new AD world and move the IS and such over so as to prevent any loss or downtime? Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Tim for 16MB don't recovery much space in this and Defrag Database 36 GB is very dangerous. Two hours? M for my experience 8GB = 1.50 Horas Depend the Hard of Server -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Yes, that is the white space and that is ALL the offline defrag is going to do for you other than potentially destroy the IS. Tell your boss to forget about it. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Speakin of CareBear... William doesn't run that list. Consulting: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
About 3 months ago I defragged a 28GB IS (exch 5.5 sp3) down to about 22GB...it took about 12 hours (this was on faster hardware than the production machine -- I was doing testing in our test lab). Why not build the new server on your SAN (different server name, part of the same site) and move the user mail bags to the new server? You'll have to leave the old server up for awhile (we do for about 2 weeks) so that the users email client will automatically update to the new server. -- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Absolutely. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Speakin of CareBear... William doesn't run that list. Consulting: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I don't think he's in today. I forwarded a great OOA response from someone telling me to contact $Lotus Support (not sure what $Lotus means) but never heard from him. Oh well.. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Maybe there is money in Lotus support ;) --- Clark, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he's in today. I forwarded a great OOA response from someone telling me to contact $Lotus Support (not sure what $Lotus means) but never heard from him. Oh well.. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
LOL! No, I got kicked off. Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Speakin of CareBear... William doesn't run that list. Consulting: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Um, why? lol Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS LOL! No, I got kicked off. Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Speakin of CareBear... William doesn't run that list. Consulting: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Defragging the IS
Really? What's the link, I'm subbin... :P D Happiness comes only when we push our brains and hearts to the farthest reaches of which we are capable. -Leo C. Rosten -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS LOL! No, I got kicked off. Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Speakin of CareBear... William doesn't run that list. Consulting: If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS ROFLWilliam!!! -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't really call me slow - I might have to go to the carebear list that William runs. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS OK, what would be a more realistic estimate then? I'd like to be able to give them some idea. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragging the IS Don't do a defrag for a measly 16MB! 2-3 hours for a 36GB IS!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, rggghhh. D Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. -Original Message- From: Crosby, Tim (Sarcom) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragging the IS Tomorrow we are scheduled to move our single server Exchange 5.5 site over to a new Compaq DL380 server that is part of a SAN. Old server is NT4, SP6. New server will be Windows 2000, SP2 but will still have Exchange 5.5, SP4. My boss wants us do a complete backup of the server tonight, then come in tomorrow and do a defrag of the database, back it up again, and restore it to the new server. It seems to be the general consensus on this list that defrag=bad. But what about in this situation where we are moving to a new server and we are scheduled to have the server down for 24 hours anyway? I checked the event logs and, as of last night it shows that the database has 16 megabytes of free space after online defragmentation. Is this the white space that I've heard about? And is that all the space we will gain by doing a defrag? If that's the case, I will suggest we don't take the time and risk of doing a defrag of the IS. I'm guessing it will take at least 2-3 hours to defrag our 36GB database Or will there be a performance increase by doing a defrag now? Thanks for your input. Tim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
