RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: Message I am not sure this is correct. I believe you are referencing NAS as the platform Microsoft does not support. I have seen many design documents in relation to large stores utilizing SAN's for Exchange 2000. I know that this is 5.5 so I could be wrong for this version. But Microsoft uses aSAN for their Exchange farm (EMC Sym's). -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers incontext below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's onlyabout 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mai
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: Message Yes. I repplied service pack 35b to my personal cranial datacentre and the corrupt file has been repaired. Thank you. -Original Message-From: Mommens, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) I am not sure this is correct. I believe you are referencing NAS as the platform Microsoft does not support. I have seen many design documents in relation to large stores utilizing SAN's for Exchange 2000. I know that this is 5.5 so I could be wrong for this version. But Microsoft uses aSAN for their Exchange farm (EMC Sym's). -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers incontext below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's onlyabout 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answer
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Was that before or after the lobotomy? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Yes. I repplied service pack 35b to my personal cranial datacentre and the corrupt file has been repaired. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Mommens, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) I am not sure this is correct. I believe you are referencing NAS as the platform Microsoft does not support. I have seen many design documents in relation to large stores utilizing SAN's for Exchange 2000. I know that this is 5.5 so I could be wrong for this version. But Microsoft uses a SAN for their Exchange farm (EMC Sym's). -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers in context below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup? --Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked? --No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have? --A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's only about 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: Message
Well, actually, SAN _is_ supported; NAS is not. Here is the
reference William included on a previous reply[1]:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechnol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp
On a somewhat-related note, WHO thought up these acronyms?!
SANNAS; I wonder if I should read the documentation backwards, to
find any hidden messages :)
[1] Thanks, William!
Eric
-Original Message-From: David N. Precht
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001
11:19 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error
when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Apologize, William already answered this...SAN is "dude, you are SO NOT
SUPPORTED"
-Original Message-From: David N.
Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December
06, 2001 23:16To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Whats Supported with MS
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY,
Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06,
2001 16:24To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
William,
AFAIK, Exchange will workwith a SAN (Storage
Area Network), but_not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's
been up and running for 3 months, now.
Eric
-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December
06, 2001 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Wait. I missed that.
Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize
that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good
help otherwise.
William
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001
12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane,
See my answers incontext
below:
1.
Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for
over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer
to redirect the store.
We have seven servers
total, this is the only one with a
problem.
2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on
this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until
recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_
the SAN
switchover)
3. This is a dumb question,
butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging
turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question,
tho.
(Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb
answers.)
4. How many log mdbdata log files do you
have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been
able to get a good backup, they're still
there.
5. If
you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a
very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage
capacity,
it's
onlyabout 50%
full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full,
however.
Diane (picking at straws here.)
Eric
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06,
2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using
MS backup)
Diane, Yes, I have. It
makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am
only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry,
should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job
on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I
wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the
backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks
on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then
have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the
other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas?
Should I try running some diags on the store?
Eric
-Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39
PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5
(using MS backup)
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Actually, in a quick check, it only shows you how you COULD do it. Doesn't say it is supported. Also, this doc is based on beta (as stated in the bottom of the doc : This is a preliminary document and may be changed substantially prior to final commercial release. ) Dave --- HOLLIDAY, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, actually, SAN _is_ supported; NAS is not. Here is the reference William included on a previous reply[1]: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechn ol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech nol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp On a somewhat-related note, WHO thought up these acronyms?! SANNAS; I wonder if I should read the documentation backwards, to find any hidden messages :) [1] Thanks, William! Eric -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Apologize, William already answered this...SAN is dude, you are SO NOT SUPPORTED -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 23:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Whats Supported with MS -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 16:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) William, AFAIK, Exchange will work with a SAN (Storage Area Network), but _not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and running for 3 months, now. Eric -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers in context below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup? --Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked? --No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have? --A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's only about 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Actually, in a quick check, it only shows you how you COULD do it. Doesn't say it is supported. Also, this doc is based on beta (as stated in the bottom of the doc : This is a preliminary document and may be changed substantially prior to final commercial release. ) Dave --- HOLLIDAY, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, actually, SAN _is_ supported; NAS is not. Here is the reference William included on a previous reply[1]: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechn ol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech nol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp On a somewhat-related note, WHO thought up these acronyms?! SANNAS; I wonder if I should read the documentation backwards, to find any hidden messages :) [1] Thanks, William! Eric -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Apologize, William already answered this...SAN is dude, you are SO NOT SUPPORTED -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 23:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Whats Supported with MS -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 16:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) William, AFAIK, Exchange will work with a SAN (Storage Area Network), but _not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and running for 3 months, now. Eric -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers in context below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup? --Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked? --No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have? --A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's only about 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
That was the response when I was running a help desk from one of my senior people (didn't actually say that to users, just laughing later in staff meetings..) Like people that wanted to have a VILE (a/k/a Vaio) laptop running ME with an Opera browser with a ISDN line, doing VPN remote access (nothing wrong with those, except the VILE part). Like man , that ain't in the SLA or a company machine D --- Lefkovics, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still like the dude, you are SO NOT SUPPORTED line though. I'm going to use that one. -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Well, actually, SAN _is_ supported; NAS is not. Here is the reference William included on a previous reply[1]: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechn ol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech nol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp On a somewhat-related note, WHO thought up these acronyms?! SANNAS; I wonder if I should read the documentation backwards, to find any hidden messages :) [1] Thanks, William! Eric -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Apologize, William already answered this...SAN is dude, you are SO NOT SUPPORTED -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 23:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Whats Supported with MS -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 16:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) William, AFAIK, Exchange will work with a SAN (Storage Area Network), but _not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and running for 3 months, now. Eric -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers in context below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup? --Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked? --No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have? --A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's only about 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric - List Charter and FAQ at: http
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Is this a new Exchange setup? Has this ever worked? This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? How many log mdbdata log files do you have? If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. Diane (picking at straws here.) -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Hello all, First, a little background info: Environment: Exchange 5.5 sp4, Enterprise Compaq Proliant ML530, dual Xeon 866 proc., 1Gb RAM, 69Gb SAN (whoohoo!) OK. I am temporarily using MS's Windows Backup (ver. 5), until we have Veritas' NetBackup in place. On two of my three servers, it works fine. On the third one, I consistently get the following error: - Backup Status Operation: Backup Active backup destination: File Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup of "LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Directory" Backup set #1 on media #1 Backup description: "Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup of "LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Information Store" Backup set #2 on media #1 Backup description: "Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second -- The kicker is, there is no other backup process running! I have rebooted the server, to no avail. Any ideas? TIA, Eric Eric Holliday Exchange Administrator Corporate Information Systems Logistics Management Institute PH: 703.917.7117 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_char
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane,
See my answers
incontext below:
1. Is this a new Exchange
setup?--Not
really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN
array ran perf optimizer to redirect the
store.
We have seven servers total,
this is the only one with a
problem.
2.
Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use
ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was
around _before_
the SAN
switchover)
3.
This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly
still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question,
tho.
(Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb
answers.)
4.
How many log mdbdata log files
do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to
get a good backup, they're still
there.
5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably
have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_
increased my storage capacity,
it's
onlyabout 50%
full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full,
however.
Diane (picking at straws here.)
Eric
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane, Yes, I have. It makes
_no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running
the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS
is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers
with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that
ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems
from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file
then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on
the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas?
Should I try running some diags on the store?
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Eric, have you tried changing the time it does
the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up
manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer?
Diane
-Original Message- From:
HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Forgive me for being dense, but what does the
AT command have to do with this error? -Original
Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Try this:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313
-Original Message- From:
HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
OK, in light of recent comments about the
looong questions not being answered, let me
restate my question: Is this the right place to
get a question answered about problems
using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5
(sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer
me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday
-Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Hello all, First, a little
background info: Environment: Exchange 5.5 sp4, Enterprise Compaq
Proliant ML530, dual Xeon 866 proc., 1Gb RAM, 69Gb SAN (whoohoo!) OK. I am temporarily
using MS's Windows Backup (ver. 5), until we have Veritas' NetBackup in place. On two
of my three servers, it works fine. On the third one, I consistently get the following
error:
-
Backup Status Operation: Backup
Active backup destination: File
Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10
AM" Backup of "LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Directory"
Backup set #1 on media #1 Backup description: "Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM"
Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently
being backed up by another process.
Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM.
S
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Wait. I missed that.
Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may
not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help
otherwise.
William
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane,
See my answers
incontext below:
1. Is this a new Exchange
setup?--Not
really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN
array ran perf optimizer to redirect the
store.
We have seven servers total,
this is the only one with a
problem.
2.
Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use
ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was
around _before_
the SAN
switchover)
3.
This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly
still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question,
tho.
(Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb
answers.)
4.
How many log mdbdata
log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to
get a good backup, they're still
there.
5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably
have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_
increased my storage capacity,
it's
onlyabout 50%
full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full,
however.
Diane (picking at straws here.)
Eric
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane, Yes, I have. It makes
_no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running
the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS
is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers
with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that
ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems
from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file
then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on
the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas?
Should I try running some diags on the store?
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Eric, have you tried changing the time it does
the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up
manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer?
Diane
-Original Message- From:
HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Forgive me for being dense, but what does the
AT command have to do with this error? -Original
Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Try this:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313
-Original Message- From:
HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
OK, in light of recent comments about the
looong questions not being answered, let me
restate my question: Is this the right place to
get a question answered about problems
using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5
(sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer
me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday
-Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Hello all, First, a little
background info: Environment: Exchange 5.5 sp4, Enterprise Compaq
Proliant ML530, dual Xeon 866 proc., 1Gb RAM, 69Gb SAN (whoohoo!) OK. I am temporarily
using MS's Windows Backup (ver. 5), until we have Veritas' NetBackup in place. On two
of my three servers, it works fine. On the third one, I consistently get the following
error:
-
Backup Status Operation: Backup
Active backup destination: File
Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Are you using NTBackup ON the same Exchange Server you are trying to backup? Have you tried backing it up from a different Win2K server using NTBackup and backing up to a drive on a different computer OTHER THAN the Exchange Server you are trying to back up. (Am I making sense here?) Do you have any shares open to the server where ARCServe was running on or to the Exchange Server that may be locking it somehow? More straws in the stack Diane -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers incontext below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's onlyabout 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Hello all, First, a little background info: Environment:
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) William, AFAIK, Exchange will workwith a SAN (Storage Area Network), but_not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and running for 3 months, now. Eric -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers incontext below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's onlyabout 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backi
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) I believe you are correct. I had acronymnal dyslexia. Thank you. I apologize. Reference: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechnol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp William -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:24 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) William, AFAIK, Exchange will workwith a SAN (Storage Area Network), but_not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and running for 3 months, now. Eric -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Wait. I missed that. Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help otherwise. William -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, See my answers incontext below: 1. Is this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to redirect the store. We have seven servers total, this is the only one with a problem. 2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently. (before you ask, the error was around _before_ the SAN switchover) 3. This is a dumb question, butdoes this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just checked). Good question, tho. (Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb answers.) 4. How many log mdbdata log files do you have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able to get a good backup, they're still there. 5. If you can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very full partion. --The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity, it's onlyabout 50% full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full, however. Diane (picking at straws here.) Eric -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Diane, Yes, I have. It makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other, identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the store? Eric -Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate m
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
No problemo.
Andthanks for finding the TechNet reference article. I like
have that kind 'o stuff on file.
Eric
-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06,
2001 4:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
I
believe you are correct. I had acronymnal dyslexia. Thank
you. I apologize.
Reference:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtechnol/exchange/deploy/prodspecs/exchstor.asp
William
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:24
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
William,
AFAIK, Exchange will workwith a SAN (Storage Area Network),
but_not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and
running for 3 months, now.
Eric
-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06,
2001 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Wait. I missed that.
Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that
may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help
otherwise.
William
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane,
See my answers incontext
below:
1. Is
this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over
a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to
redirect the store.
We have seven servers
total, this is the only one with a
problem.
2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this
server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently.
(before you ask, the error was around _before_
the SAN
switchover)
3. This is a dumb question, butdoes
this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just
checked). Good question,
tho.
(Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb
answers.)
4. How many log mdbdata log files do you
have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able
to get a good backup, they're still
there.
5. If you
can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very
full partion.
--The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity,
it's
onlyabout 50%
full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full,
however.
Diane (picking at straws here.)
Eric
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001
6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane, Yes, I have. It
makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only
running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told
you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other,
identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using
NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading
about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try
using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to
tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this
one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the
store?
Eric
-Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Eric, have you tried changing the time it
does the backup to see if it works
at a different time? Have you tried backing
it up manually? Have you tried
backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K
computer? Diane-Original
Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Forgive me for being dense, but what does
the AT command have to do with
this error?
-Original Message- From: Scot
Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 20
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: Message
Whats
Supported with MS
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001
16:24To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
William,
AFAIK, Exchange will workwith a SAN (Storage Area Network),
but_not_ a NAS (Network Attached Storage). It's been up and
running for 3 months, now.
Eric
-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06,
2001 3:39 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Wait. I missed that.
Microsoft does not support Exchange over a SAN. I realize that
may not be your issue here, but it might be difficult to get good help
otherwise.
William
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:34
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when
backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane,
See my answers incontext
below:
1. Is
this a new Exchange setup?--Not really. The server's been up for over
a year, but we just hooked up a SAN array ran perf optimizer to
redirect the store.
We have seven servers
total, this is the only one with a
problem.
2. Has this ever worked?--No, not on this
server. We normally use ArcServe, which worked fine until recently.
(before you ask, the error was around _before_
the SAN
switchover)
3. This is a dumb question, butdoes
this exchange server possibly still have circular logging turned on? --No. (I just
checked). Good question,
tho.
(Thereare no "dumb" questions, only dumb
answers.)
4. How many log mdbdata log files do you
have?--A whole bunch. Since I haven't been able
to get a good backup, they're still
there.
5. If you
can't get it backed up, you probably have many many days worth and a very
full partion.
--The SAN _greatly_ increased my storage capacity,
it's
onlyabout 50%
full. The problem has been around since it was 25-30% full,
however.
Diane (picking at straws here.)
Eric
-Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001
6:59 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Diane, Yes, I have. It
makes _no_ diff when the job runs. At the present time, I am only
running the job manually and it still fails. Sorry, should've told
you, the OS is Win2Kserver. I run the same job on two other,
identical, servers with no problems. Now, I wouldn't even be using
NTBackup, except that ArcSmurf choked on the backup. After reading
about similar problems from other folks on this list, I thought I'd try
using NTBackup to a file then have ArcSmurf back that up to
tape. Works like a champ on the other two servers, just not this
one! Any other ideas? Should I try running some diags on the
store?
Eric
-Original Message- From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Eric, have you tried changing the time it
does the backup to see if it works
at a different time? Have you tried backing
it up manually? Have you tried
backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K
computer? Diane-Original
Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Forgive me for being dense, but what does
the AT command have to do with
this error?
-Original Message- From: Scot
Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
Try this:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313
-Original Message-
From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS
backup)
OK, in light of recent comments about the
looong questions not being answered, let me
restate m
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Eric, have you tried changing the time it does the backup to see if it works at a different time? Have you tried backing it up manually? Have you tried backing it up with a NTBackup in a Win2K computer? Diane -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Hello all, First, a little background info: Environment: Exchange 5.5 sp4, Enterprise Compaq Proliant ML530, dual Xeon 866 proc., 1Gb RAM, 69Gb SAN (whoohoo!) OK. I am temporarily using MS's Windows Backup (ver. 5), until we have Veritas' NetBackup in place. On two of my three servers, it works fine. On the third one, I consistently get the following error: - Backup Status Operation: Backup Active backup destination: File Media name: Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM Backup of LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Directory Backup set #1 on media #1 Backup description: Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second Media name: Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM Backup of LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Information Store Backup set #2 on media #1 Backup description: Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second -- The kicker is, there is no other backup process running! I have rebooted the server, to no avail. Any ideas? TIA, Eric Eric Holliday Exchange Administrator Corporate Information Systems Logistics Management Institute PH:703.917.7117 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup)
Title: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Oops. My bad. Sent to wrong list. My apologies. I'll buy you a beer sometime to make it up to you. -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:24 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Forgive me for being dense, but what does the AT command have to do with this error? -Original Message-From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:13 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q152313 -Original Message-From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:53 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) OK, in light of recent comments about the looong questions not being answered, let me restate my question: Is this the right place to get a question answered about problems using Windows backup and Exchange 5.5 (sp4)? If so, could someone kindly refer me to another forum? Thank you, Eric Holliday -Original Message- From: HOLLIDAY, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Error when backing up Exch. 5.5 (using MS backup) Hello all, First, a little background info: Environment: Exchange 5.5 sp4, Enterprise Compaq Proliant ML530, dual Xeon 866 proc., 1Gb RAM, 69Gb SAN (whoohoo!) OK. I am temporarily using MS's Windows Backup (ver. 5), until we have Veritas' NetBackup in place. On two of my three servers, it works fine. On the third one, I consistently get the following error: - Backup Status Operation: Backup Active backup destination: File Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup of "LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Directory" Backup set #1 on media #1 Backup description: "Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second Media name: "Media created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup of "LMI\LMIMAIL\LMIMAIL1\Information Store" Backup set #2 on media #1 Backup description: "Set created 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM" Backup Type: Normal Backup started on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. The selected Microsoft Exchange service is currently being backed up by another process. Backup completed on 12/5/2001 at 9:10 AM. Skipped: 1 Bytes: 0 Time: 1 second -- The kicker is, there is no other backup process running! I have rebooted the server, to no avail. Any ideas? TIA, Eric Eric Holliday Exchange Administrator Corporate Information Systems Logistics Management Institute PH: 703.917.7117 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
