RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
I've been using postini for a couple of years now (before google bought them). Been pretty happy with the service so far. From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security I'd be very leary about anything Google is selling. They are data miners at the core. nuf said? - Original Message - From: Roger Wright mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image001.jpg
Re: Google Message Filtering/Security
Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. -- *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 [image: ET E-mail Signature Logo] ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image002.jpg
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image001.jpg
Re: Google Message Filtering/Security
They dont eat thier own dog food? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
I don't know... but of all the web-based mail systems, Gmail seems to have the most accurate spam filters. Maybe they're using Ninja - it functioned nearly as well for me. Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security They dont eat thier own dog food? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Google Message Filtering/Security
Privacy concerns asside, Gmail's filter is definately one of the best I have seen/used. Sure there are next to no controls, but I dont find that I need them. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know... but of all the web-based mail systems, Gmail seems to have the most accurate spam filters. Maybe they're using Ninja - it functioned nearly as well for me. Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security They dont eat thier own dog food? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
I have heard people all impressed with Gmail's anti-spam efforts as well. It is mediocre in my experience. I mean, it works, it's good, but it is nothing special. The same false positives and junk mail making it to the inbox as other services for me. Always a few here and there. I have not used Postini. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google Message Filtering/Security I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security Not that I think Trend is that great, but we have been using Postini's Message Security option since before Google bought them and I am completely unimpressed. I'm looking at Ironport... What I don't like: No message tracking Pain in the arse to manage A fair amount of SPAM still finds its way through the net NDR's are about useless to troubleshoot what rules were tripped when external emails get bounced Google owns the service On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Theochares, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. _ From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 ET E-mail Signature Logo ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image001.jpg
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
This is Google. Do you think they are really using a third party application? -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google Message Filtering/Security I don't know... but of all the web-based mail systems, Gmail seems to have the most accurate spam filters. Maybe they're using Ninja - it functioned nearly as well for me. Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security They dont eat thier own dog food? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
We are subjected to Postini through corporate and since it's rollout, we've had nothing but trouble with NDRs and weird message limit things. I used US Internet's Securence product for 3 years, by far the cheapest solution, very few false positives and after it's learning curve of about a week we stopped spam down to about 3 to 4 messages a week from 3000 a day that got through to 150 users. In addition all email viruses stopped showing up period. I can't recommend them enough. Great customer service too. I was never on hold for more than few minutes, any time of day. That's my preference for spam and virus. M _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
Just being a little facetious. Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:43 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google Message Filtering/Security This is Google. Do you think they are really using a third party application? -Original Message- From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Google Message Filtering/Security I don't know... but of all the web-based mail systems, Gmail seems to have the most accurate spam filters. Maybe they're using Ninja - it functioned nearly as well for me. Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security They dont eat thier own dog food? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Roger Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what system Gmail is using to filter their spam. I have yet to find a false positive and rarely have a junk message hit my Inbox (actually had 1 today, but this was the first in weeks). Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 _ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Google Message Filtering/Security com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
Looked at them for filtering, but the getting a hold of a person to deal with was a nightmare. Leave a message call backs and online support, total drag. Only available business hours..etc Helped me sell a more expensive solution to management, with great support (using Proofpoint appliances). If you go the google direction I would be curious to hear your experiences. -troy From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:29 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 [cid:image001.jpg@01C8CAEE.3BDFA980] ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~inline: image001.jpg
RE: Google Message Filtering/Security
Looking at it now. Using Trend and want to get away from supporting a box. Hesitant to move the MX. Users like what they have but backscatter is a problem and Google claims to have a better solution for less then the cost of Trend. Tough decision. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image002.jpg
Re: Google Message Filtering/Security
I'd be very leary about anything Google is selling. They are data miners at the core. nuf said? - Original Message - From: Roger Wright To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: Google Message Filtering/Security Anybody using Google's Postini filtering system ahead of your Exchange box? The pricing per mailbox seems radically low... http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/security/compare.html Roger Wright Network Administrator 727.572.7076 x388 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image002.jpg
